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September 29, 2006

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Rep. Jerrold Nadler
, Democrat from New York's 8th District

A.J. in D.C.
, a blogger for AMERICAblog and former Defense Department Intelligence Officer
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From a listener in Texas:

We are sorry to loose our local affiliate in Dallas and we are fighting hard to get a new station BUT we in Dallas have never depended on KXEB to be fans of AAR.

In Dallas we have a fan group of over 500 people in 6 counties of North Texas and have had the group 2 1/2 years and before we had KXEB! We stream/podcast and have XM !!!

Please visit our web site - we have film groups, books clubs a Meetup and we run the YAHOO group in DFW for news / discussion and liberal Democratic activism. Visit http://www.dallasairamerica.org/!

Posted by not sam at September 29, 2006 10:00 AM

Comments


The rule of law has been set back 850 years. Sure, the Magna Carte was not signed until the year 1215. But Habeus Corpus was already common law at that time.

Any justice considering overturning this law could be secretly detained and tortured at the whim of the executive. The balance of power, once destroyed, is not easily restored.

Our responibility could not be clearer. It it is to hit the streets on October 5.

Posted by: Larry Allen at September 29, 2006 10:03 AM

Mexico: Situation in Oaxaca Heating Up

Subject: Urgent Solidarity Call for Oaxaca

At the federal level in Mexico, the current discourse signals an imminent arrival of Federal Police Forces in Oaxaca. The feds claim that, if federal forces are sent to Oaxaca, they will only maintain a presence on the outskirts of the city, to "ensure civilian safety." However, it is widely known that local PRI-sympathizing groups can be mobilized to provoke a confrontation with the sectors of civil society partiapting in the popular movement, which would justify the entrance of the federal police.

If the federal police enter Oaxaca, it will be a blood bath...

Please call or send faxes and emails to President Fox and to Secretary of Interior Affairs, Carlos Abascal, demanding the immediate withdrawal of threats to send police forces into Oaxaca, and the immediate resignation of Oaxacan governor, Ulises Ruiz Ortiz. Write in Spanish. Write in English. Just write, or call, or both.

Get down to your local Mexican consulate or embassy. Make a lot of noise. Spend the night out front if you have to.

President Vicente Fox:
Email: vicente.fox.quesadda@presidencia.gob.mx
Fax: 011-52-55-52-77-23-76
Phone: 011-52-55-27-89-11-00

Sec. of Internal Affairs, Carlos Abascal
Tel: 011-52-55-50-93-34-00
Email: cabascal@segob.gob.mx

Posted by: A. at September 29, 2006 10:03 AM

It will start slowly. People will begin to be removed from their homes, schools, places of work. Maybe your neighbor, maybe you. They will not start with high profile people, celebrities, media personalities, politicians etc.. It will be the "little folks" who are willing to speak truth to power yet lack a high profile status and therefore will not be noticed or missed. When some people begin to ask questions the nation will be told that measures are necessary to fight the war on terror and it is in the best interest of the country to insure the safety of the nation. As it happened in Germany, it will begin slowly, building momentum. Given the demonization by far right wing propagandists and politicians of progressives, liberals, Democrats, people of color, foreigners, and those with another religious persuasion, the ground work for more drastic measures to "protect" the nation have been put in place so that the people will be willing to accept whatever measures they are told are necessary. The authoritarian anti-democratic streak that lies just below the surface in the American psyche has been played to perfection by
those who detest democracy and justice. It's power solely for power's sake.

Posted by: Machiabilly at September 29, 2006 10:04 AM

Lorenzogate at September 29, 2006 9:17 AM

Your graphics are fantastic- we're going to use one- we have your email and will be in touch. Thank you. Thank you.

Posted by: SEDER at September 29, 2006 10:04 AM

You know Definitely Anal (aka Anonymous Coward) an original thought is something you've never had. Basically, you recite conservative talking points. That's what makes you so transparent. But above all, it makes you pathetic.

Posted by: edna ellen poe at September 29, 2006 10:07 AM

Thanks icelander

Posted by: Milkman at September 29, 2006 10:08 AM

Humane Society Opposes Labeling Activists as “Terrorists”

The Humane Society of the United States has come out opposing the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act on civil liberties grounds, calling it "seriously flawed."

The AETA threatens legitimate advocacy. The legislation uses vague, overbroad terms such as “interfering with” which could be interpreted to include legitimate, peaceful conduct. For example, someone who uses the Internet to encourage people not to buy eggs from a company producing eggs with battery cages could be charged with terrorism for causing the company a loss of profits. Likewise, someone who seeks to “interfere with” the cruel treatment of puppies by filming the brutal conditions at a puppy mill, causing lost profits for the company when the film is publicized, could be charged with terrorism. The very risk of being charged as a terrorist will almost certainly have a chilling effect on legitimate activism.

Passing the AETA reflects misplaced priorities in Congress. It is particularly disheartening to think Congress may rush forward with this ill-advised bill, yet not enact reasonable and long-overdue reform, such as the Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Act (H.R. 817/S. 382). Purportedly, the AETA sponsors want not only to penalize, but also to prevent, extremist conduct that endangers animal enterprises and the people associated with them. When Congress fails to act on modest animal welfare reforms like the animal fighting bill, it makes it more difficult for organizations like The HSUS to make the case to activists that meaningful change is possible working through the system

Posted by: A. at September 29, 2006 10:09 AM

Hey
As to Joe in Dallas - We are sorry to loose our local affiliate in Dallas and we are fighting hard to get a new station BUT we in Dallas have never depended on KXEB to be fans of AAR.

In Dallas we have a fan group of over 500 people in 6 counties of North Texas and have had the group 2 1/2 years and before we had KXEB! We stream/podcast and have XM !!!

Please visit our web site - we have film groups, books clubs a Meetup and we run the YAHOO group in DFW for news / discussion and liberal Democratic activism.
Visit http://www.dallasairamerica.org/
And email me, Nancy Cunningham cunningb@flash.net for more info !

Thanks for the support Sammy !

Posted by: cunningb at September 29, 2006 10:09 AM

Sam is getting a lot of southern callers.

Posted by: edna ellen poe at September 29, 2006 10:10 AM

So, was there ever an explanation why Marc wasn't on last week? Even a lame excuse?

Posted by: Kristapea at September 29, 2006 10:11 AM

According to documents now in the hands of several defense attorneys, Pirro and the former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik were apparently talking about planting a hidden device aboard her husband's boat. Her possible motive may have been to see if he was having an affair.

Sources told NewsChannel 4 that in one conversation, Pirro complained that one of Kerik's employees was reluctant to board Albert Pirro's boat.

Jeanine Pirro suggests, "We can just simply say, if there is an issue, that I am redecorating it for our anniversary.” She complains that Kerik’s man is, “uncomfortable with that.”

Kerik responded by saying, “But Jeanine, I’m having the same f------g problem with everybody. Everybody is panic stricken because it’s you. I’ve gone out on a limb. I had two other people looking at this. It’s a problem.”

Pirro said, “What am I supposed to do, Bernie? Watch him f--k her every night? What am I supposed to do? I can go on the boat. I’ll put the f-----g thing on myself.”

Minutes later, Kerik called a contact at Giuliani Partners, former Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s consulting firm, asking him to find a recording device, according to documents.

http://www.wnbc.com/politics/9947969/detail.html

Posted by: KevinK at September 29, 2006 10:11 AM

"The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any."
Alice Walker

Posted by: Milkman at September 29, 2006 10:12 AM

SAM

Yeah, but we should show that film!

A picture is worth a thousand words, a film ... !

That would seal the deal... show Allen's dear old mom cursing!

Posted by: Catharine [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2006 10:12 AM

Get him Sam!

Posted by: Kristapea at September 29, 2006 10:13 AM

Repressive legislation introduced to deal with dissent over a specific situation is often then used to crush all dissent, especially that emanating from the left.

Your phone-in commentator referred to Bush's love of country. I submit that Bush and his cronies' first love is money and power. They love the USA only in as far as its citizens allow their aberrant behaviour in whatever guise it is presented.

Remember,and I paraphrase here,

'They came for the communists but I wasn't a communist so I did nothing
The came for the Jews but I wasn't a Jew so I did nothing
Then they came for me'

Posted by: bertmccann at September 29, 2006 10:13 AM

ITS BECAUSE THEY ARE RACISTS DEEP DOWN INSIDE SAM!!! AND PROUD OF IT!!

Posted by: Bob26003 at September 29, 2006 10:13 AM

It will start slowly. People will begin to be removed from their homes, schools, places of work. Maybe your neighbor, maybe you. They will not start with high profile people, celebrities, media personalities, politicians etc.. It will be the \"little folks\" who are willing to speak truth to power yet lack a high profile status and therefore will not be noticed or missed

------------------------------------------------


They\'re coming to take me away, HA HA
They\'re coming to take me away, HO HO HEE HEE HA HA
To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I\'ll be happy to see
Those nice, young men
In their clean, white coats
And they\'re coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!

You thought it was a joke
And so you laughed
You laughed when I had said
That losing you would make me flip my lid
Right. . .

You know you laughed, I heard you laugh
You laughed, you laughed and laughed
And then you left
But now you know I\'m utterly mad!
And. . .

They\'re coming to take me away, HA HA
They\'re coming to take me away, HO HO HEE HEE HA HA
To the happy home
With trees and flowers and chirping birds
And basket weavers who sit and smile
And twiddle their thumbs and toes
And they\'re coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!

Posted by: Loony Land !! at September 29, 2006 10:14 AM

You've got it, Bob26003.

Posted by: edna ellen poe at September 29, 2006 10:14 AM

HaHaHaHaHa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Bob26003 at September 29, 2006 10:14 AM

HR is a RACIST!

Posted by: Kristapea at September 29, 2006 10:15 AM

YEAH SAM !!!!! GIVE IT TO THE BASTARD!!!

Posted by: Milkman at September 29, 2006 10:15 AM

wasn't proven yet?

this guy is dumb as a stump.

lowlife??

oi!

Posted by: bibimimi~☆♪☥♪☥♪ £♡¢ at September 29, 2006 10:15 AM

Yes. Precisely.

H.R. is a racist; tell it exactly like it is.

Posted by: EconAtheist [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2006 10:16 AM

Go Sam Baby!

Whip It.

Whit it good!

Ow!

Ow!

Posted by: edna ellen poe at September 29, 2006 10:16 AM

that's the coach's kid?

what a little dick!

Posted by: bibimimi~☆♪☥♪☥♪ £♡¢ at September 29, 2006 10:17 AM


Bush is on the attack -- against Democrats
by Joe in DC - 9/29/2006 09:52:00 AM


Bush is on live on CNN giving that same political campaign speech about terror -- and he's already invoking "September the 11th." (We know why FOX, as the GOP network, covers every utterance from Bush. But why do CNN and the other cable networks carry this same political speech over and over and over?)

The Prez sure is talking tough these days. But it's all politics. The man cannot find the time to devise a strategy for Iraq. He can't even be honest about the quagmire. But he can launch vicious political attacks like this one from a speech yesterday:
"Five years after 9/11, the worst attack on the American homeland in our history, Democrats offer nothing but criticism and obstruction and endless second-guessing," the president said.
Endless second-guessing? It's called oversight and the failed Iraq policy and the botched war on terror desperately need some second guessing. Bush wants to stay the course. That's his whole agenda...well, that plus ugly political attacks.

Bush is playing politics with terror against the backdrop of increased violence in Iraq, a deteriorating situation in Afghanistan and a growing jihadist movement inspired by his invasion of Iraq. If the White House put as much energy in to their anti-terror strategy as they did in to their political strategy about terror, we might make some progress -- and save some lives.

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/09/bush-is-on-attack-against-democrats.html

Posted by: tonid [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2006 10:17 AM

Those who make peaceful change impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy

Posted by: Milkman at September 29, 2006 10:18 AM

Sam,

Thank you. I was so depressed and angry after yesterday's vote to gut the Constitution, but you are keeping me going.

You are the best. Please keep it up and watch your back, we need you.

You are my hero today.

Posted by: egayle at September 29, 2006 10:18 AM

we have to shout this scum down.

i think the time for being reasonable has passed.

Posted by: bibimimi~☆♪☥♪☥♪ £♡¢ at September 29, 2006 10:19 AM

Nations have progressed through this sequence:

from bondage to spiritual faith
from spiritual faith to great courage
from courage to liberty
from liberty to abundance
from abundance to selfishness
from selfishness to complacency
from complacency to apathy
from apathy to dependency
from dependency back to bondage.
-- Alexander Fraser Tytler (1742-1813)

Posted by: singsing at September 29, 2006 10:19 AM

When they do come to take us away, at least we'll be in good company.

Posted by: Jayson at September 29, 2006 10:20 AM

CASUAL FRIDAY!

Does that include bunny slippers?

Posted by: nora at September 29, 2006 10:20 AM

So, was there ever an explanation why Marc wasn't on last week? Even a lame excuse?

Posted by: Kristapea at September 29, 2006 10:11 AM

He was doing a show in Vancouver BC with many other comedians including Janeane. He prob stayed up late and slept in.

Posted by: tonid [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2006 10:20 AM

from Cenk:

"This is a list of losers who don't have the stomach for the fight:

Carper (Del.), Johnson (S.D.), Landrieu (La.), Lautenberg (N.J.), Lieberman (Conn.), Menendez (N.J), Pryor (Ark.), Rockefeller (W. Va.), Salazar (Co.), Stabenow (Mich.), Nelson (Fla.), Nelson (Neb.)"

Posted by: bibimimi~☆♪☥♪☥♪ £♡¢ at September 29, 2006 10:21 AM

Posted by: bibimimi~☆♪☥♪☥♪ £♡¢ at September 29, 2006 10:19 AM

I agree......

Attack Conservatives. Riot!

Posted by: Bob26003 at September 29, 2006 10:21 AM

Raw Story Tease:

Over 100 Homeland Security computers missing... Soon...

Posted by: tonid [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2006 10:21 AM

You go Sam! You put him in his place. And keep talking about the torture issue. We have to make people aware of what has happened. It's scary.Maybe more people will hit the streets

Posted by: yallagal at September 29, 2006 10:21 AM

Does anyone know how to take the entire archive of mrr blog and make it into one flowing book; besides a month long cut & paste session, I mean....?

[Hmm..maybe THIS is the book War Dog always talked about writing....]

Posted by: A. at September 29, 2006 10:22 AM

Remember,and I paraphrase here,

'They came for the communists but I wasn't a communist so I did nothing
The came for the Jews but I wasn't a Jew so I did nothing
Then they came for me'

Posted by: bertmccann at September 29, 2006 10:13 AM

Hahahahaha

I was waiting for some loony to trot this out, as though it applies in this case.

First they came for the throat-slitting, head chopping terrorists, but I wasn't one...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at September 29, 2006 10:22 AM

I'm with bibimimi... tired of being pleasant to these fucking liars, scumbags, cheats and hypocrites.

Fuck 'em.

Posted by: EconAtheist at September 29, 2006 10:22 AM

I'm with bibimimi... tired of being pleasant to these fucking liars, scumbags, cheats and hypocrites.

Fuck 'em.

Posted by: EconAtheist at September 29, 2006 10:22 AM

I watched something about Santiago, Chile & what happened on Sept. 11th 1977, the mass killings, the torture, the horror at the hands of Pinochet, who the US has on the payroll now. The description of the tortures rained down on the people of Santiago were exactly what the US is doing now to others. After these horrendous acts & killings of over 30,000 people, Kissinger goes down to Santiago & congratulates Pinochet on a job well done.
Before Pinochet, Chile had a well-deserved reputation as one of the most vibrant democracies in the world. It had a democratically elected president and a congress just as we do (did). It had a wide range of political parties from the far right to the far left, all of which participated in the political process. It had numerous newspapers, magazines and radio stations that together represented the views of people across the political spectrum. All of its citizens, including illiterates, had a right to vote.

Pinochet, with Kissinger's help, changed all that.

I am sickened to see our government in these throws, but give up? NEVER!

Posted by: Cindy Leigh at September 29, 2006 10:24 AM

The interrogation bill is not about fighting terrorism abroad. It's about controlling domestic dissent. Look for the GOP to find or create an excuse to cancel the election in '08 and impose martial law; rounding up all demonstrators and labeling them as enemy combatants. Who will speak up when we know that our phones are taped and we can be "disappeared" and tortured.
-B

Posted by: Blazorge at September 29, 2006 10:24 AM

Does anyone know how to take the entire archive of mrr blog and make it into one flowing book; besides a month long cut & paste session, I mean....?


Posted by: A. at September 29, 2006 10:22 AM

Hahahahaha

This place never disappoints.

That "Book" will be a real bestseller.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at September 29, 2006 10:24 AM

Whoa, Sam. We were cheering while you smacked down that awful "HR"-- a caller from our home town and a typical example of a racist dumbass.

bravo, sam
xxx from nancy and leonardo

ps. do you dare to ask jerry nadler about his unconditional support of Israel in the last Israel - Hezbollah conflict? I didn't when I met him at someone's house....and it's not the topic you're on with him...

Posted by: nancy cadet at September 29, 2006 10:24 AM

I have my cow slippers

Posted by: Milkman at September 29, 2006 10:25 AM

Anonymous Coward,

what happened to Definitely Anal?

Posted by: edna ellen poe at September 29, 2006 10:25 AM

Pollution watchdog's dual roles questioned

By STACY SHELTON
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 09/29/06

The newest member of the state Board of Natural Resources, which oversees enforcement of the Clean Air Act and other environmental laws, is a paid consultant for Georgia Power, the state's single largest polluter and water user.

William "Bill" Archer III said this week he sees no conflict between his $200,000-a-year consultant's fee for the power company and his service on the board that sets environmental policies and votes on air and water regulations. Neither does Gov. Sonny Perdue, who appointed Archer to the board in June. But others say it's inappropriate.

Archer's three-year consulting contract with Georgia Power requires its former executive vice president to "promote the best interests of the Company." Archer had worked for the utility for 35 years and was a top officer when he retired in March.

The state's conflict of interest laws are not clear cut, particularly for volunteers who serve on Georgia's many state boards and authorities. One law says board members should not vote in matters where they have a direct or indirect financial interest, but does not spell out what those might be. Despite the law's gray area, a government watchdog and a former DNR board member said the line is clear, even if it is often ignored. DNR board members include developers, large land owners, owners of regulated businesses and a paid river advocate, who don't always abstain from voting on issues that others say are conflicts.

Russell Willard, spokesman for the state attorney general's office, said Archer's appointment "certainly raises some concerns about potential conflicts ... but it doesn't create a per se conflict. Instead it creates a situation where you would have to evaluate on a case by case [basis] whether an actual conflict existed."

http://www.rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ajc.com%2Fnews%2Fcontent%2Fmetro%2Fstories%2F2006%2F09%2F28%2F0929archer.html

Posted by: tonid [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2006 10:26 AM

*****October 5: No Work. No School. Protest in the Streets.

October 5 - Day of Mass Resistance
On October 5, people everywhere will walk out of school, take off work, and come to the downtowns & townsquares and set out from there, going through the streets and calling on many more to join us - making a powerful statement: "NO! THIS REGIME DOES NOT REPRESENT US! AND WE WILL DRIVE IT OUT!"

Below you can find a growing listing of protests across the country. Check back here for the latest information (updated daily), or contact a local World Can't Wait chapter in your area (see menu to the left).

If there is not a protest organized in your area, head to the downtown or town square at noon on Oct. 5.

http://worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2418&_event=14

Posted by: yallagal at September 29, 2006 10:27 AM

Sen. James Inhofe Lashes Out At CNN, Grossly Distorts Global Warming Science
Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) has responded angrily to yesterday’s CNN segment debunking his diatribe against global warming science. His rebuttal is shockingly dishonest. Here’s a sample:

[CNN’s Miles] O’Brien also claimed that the “Hockey Stick” temperature graph was supported by most climate scientists despite the fact that the National Academy of Sciences and many independent experts have made it clear that the Hockey Stick’s claim that the 1990’s was the hottest decade of the last 1000 years was unsupportable.

Actually, that National Academy of Sciences just released a study supporting the so-called “Hockey Stick” study (by Mann et. al). Here’s an excerpt from the report:

The basic conclusion of Mann et al. (1998, 1999) was that the late 20th century warmth in the Northern Hemisphere was unprecedented during at least the last 1,000 years. This conclusion has subsequently been supported by an array of evidence…Based on the analyses presented in the original papers by Mann et al. and this newer supporting evidence, the committee finds it plausible that the Northern Hemisphere was warmer during the last few decades of the 20th century than during any comparable period over the preceding millennium. [pg. 3-4]

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/29/inhofe-dishonesty/

Posted by: tonid [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2006 10:27 AM

Loony Land, a student of history your not. Ever read "1984", "The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire", what about the "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich?" Some how I doubt it. More than likely your waiting for the sequel to "My Pet Goat." Why aren't you in Iraq fighting for your leader? I can hear the cackling of chickens.

Posted by: Machiabilly at September 29, 2006 10:29 AM

Sep. 29, 2006 -- Involvement of Bush Republicans in pedophilia and child prostitution back in news.

Yesterday, ABC News reported that it obtained e-mails sent from Florida Republican Representative Mark Foley's private AOL account to a 16-year old former male congressional page in which the congressman requested the teen to provide his age, a photo of himself, and what he wanted for his birthday. The former page, believing Foley's e-mails to be "sick," provided copies to congressional staff members. In one e-mail, Foley wrote, "did you have fun at your conference?…what do you want for your birthday coming up?…what stuff do you like to do?" In another, Foley asked, ""how are you weathering the hurricane?…are you safe?…send me an email pic of you as well…" Foley has been a strong supporter of George W. Bush.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

Posted by: Catharine [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2006 10:30 AM

The scandal breaking around Foley comes as new questions are being raised about a story that rocked Washington in 1989. The Washington Times broke a major story about a top GOP lobbyist, registered lobbyist for Japan, and former ABC news reporter in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam War named Craig Spence who was hosting huge parties for "U.S. military officers, businessmen, lawyers, bankers, congressional aides, media representatives and other professionals" and arranging liaisons between these power brokers and underage male teen prostitutes. Among Spence's close friends was Japanese nuclear scientist Motoo Shiina, a Liberal Democratic Party politician who was later suspected of passing defense secrets to the Soviet Union.

Posted by: Catharine [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2006 10:30 AM

Will the Dems switch out Menendez in NJ with another Dem?

Posted by: tonid [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2006 10:32 AM

Loony Land, a student of history your not. Ever read "1984", "The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire", what about the "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich?" Some how I doubt it. More than likely your waiting for the sequel to "My Pet Goat." Why aren't you in Iraq fighting for your leader? I can hear the cackling of chickens.

Posted by: Machiabilly at September 29, 2006 10:29 AM

You tried those ridiculous Hitler/Nazi analogies in 2004 and it didn't work.

Maybe you should go to plan B. Oh wait, you don't have one.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at September 29, 2006 10:32 AM

I would love to see the video of George " Macaca" Allen's Mammy.

Sounds like a Babs Bush kind of a girl.

Mothers that produced two bully sons.

Posted by: edna ellen poe at September 29, 2006 10:32 AM

Loony Land, a student of history your not. Ever read "1984", "The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire", what about the "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich?" Some how I doubt it. More than likely your waiting for the sequel to "My Pet Goat." Why aren't you in Iraq fighting for your leader? I can hear the cackling of chickens.

Posted by: Machiabilly at September 29, 2006 10:29 AM

Another arrogant shit lefty talking tough from the safety of his keyboard.

Only you know how to read, right asshole?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at September 29, 2006 10:34 AM

The Washington Times led off the exposure of the teen prostitution ring with this above-the-fold front page headline on June 29, 1989: "Homosexual prostitution inquiry ensnares VIPs with Reagan, Bush." The July 7, 1989 edition of the Washington Times reported, "Administration officials continued yesterday to stonewall reporters on the growing federal 'call boy' investigation, apparently hoping the scandal will fade before President Bush is asked his view of a late-night White House tour that reportedly included two male prostitutes. Nebraska Republican State Senator John DeCamp later said that many of the young prostitutes were procured from the Boy's Town orphanage near Omaha.

Posted by: Catharine [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2006 10:34 AM

Treasury Secretary Nicholas Brady, who heads the Secret Service, reluctantly conceded yesterday at the White House that the agency is looking into the July 3, 1988, tour - one of several arranged by a Secret Service officer for lobbyist Craig J. Spence." The report continued, "White House spokesman Marlin Fitzwater and several of his deputies have said repeatedly that they do not know if Mr. Bush considered it appropriate for male prostitutes to be touring the White House at 1 a.m. Yesterday, while talking informally to several reporters at the White House, Mr. Fitzwater parried one question this way: "What are they saying, that you should have sexual-preference checks on people that come into the White House?"

Posted by: Catharine [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2006 10:35 AM

To Sam Seder Show--

1. Why the hell is there no email link to host anywhere on page? You know--"contact us" or "email sam" or some such.

2. When do you update AA website? Once a year? The site is currently stating that both Seder and Springer are playing the 9-12 slot.

Unbelievably amateurish.

Posted by: casual_observer at September 29, 2006 10:36 AM

Another arrogant shit lefty talking tough from the safety of his keyboard.

Only you know how to read, right asshole?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at September 29, 2006 10:34 AM

Have you noticed that you have an inferiority complex? I have.

Posted by: Catharine [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2006 10:37 AM

New details emerge about 1989 Bush I White House teen prostitute scandal: teens entered private quarters of the White House while George W. Bush was occasionally residing there while acting as his father's hatchet man in the White House.

The Washington Times also stated, "White House officials have said that the midnight tours such as those arranged for Mr. Spence do not threaten the First Family's security because they are allowed only in office areas and not the residence." In fact, according to the Times, then First Lady Barbara Bush brushed aside the story of the teen prostitutes entering the White House for midnight tours, saying, "There haven't been a lot of stories in our house about it . . . I'm not into all of this," adding it was "good" that The Washington Post wasn't following The Times' story. However, WMR has learned that Spence was close to a number of Washington Post journalists as well as others working for The New York Times, CBS News, and ABC News. Spence was arrested in New York City for gun and cocaine possession and in November 1989 was found dead in a Boston hotel, fully clothed in a black tuxedo and white bow tie reportedly from a suicide. There were no signs of injury to Spence's body.

Posted by: Catharine [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2006 10:38 AM

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at September 29, 2006 10:32 AM

Sieg heil, you fascist Brownshirt Nazi.

Goosestep your way over to the recruiters office & get your kool-aid swilling ass over to Iraq, chickenshit.

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at September 29, 2006 10:39 AM

Seder and Springer ARE on 9-12 on Air America. Seder has the main stream. Springer has an alternative stream.

Posted by: Jayson at September 29, 2006 10:39 AM

And, although Fitzwater and Mrs. Bush claimed Spence's male prostitutes never entered the private quarters of the White House, WMR has learned otherwise. WMR was told by one of the chief investigators on this story that one of the teen prostitutes said that he noticed damage to the underside of a cornice (a special molding along the top of a wall) in one of the bedrooms in the private quarters of ithe White House during one of his overnight stays. The Lincoln Bedroom and the Rose Guest Room are both located within the more secure confines of the private quarters on the second floor of the White House. The prostitute's story about a damaged cornice in a corner bedroom of the private quarters was later confirmed by a White House source. Moreover, the damage to the cornice could have only be seen by someone who was lying on their back on the bed.

Posted by: Catharine [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2006 10:39 AM

Anonymous Coward, another chickehawk, programmed righty, talking through the safety of his keyboard.

Since you are such a supporter of Bush. Why don't you join the military?

Posted by: edna ellen poe at September 29, 2006 10:40 AM

Just posting this for info.

Back to Story - Help
Democrats who back terror bill get cover By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer
Fri Sep 29, 3:09 AM ET


Breaking with their party, a handful of Democrats in competitive congressional races voted to approve President Bush's system to interrogate and prosecute terrorism suspects.

In doing so, they took away one arrow Republicans plan to use in their soft-on-security attack on Democrats.

"It's time for terrorists such as Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who planned the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, to face justice," Rep. Chet Edwards (news, bio, voting record), D-Texas, said, projecting a tough-on-terrorism position and sounding very much like Republicans who are gunning for his House seat Nov. 7.

The Texan is among the Democrats in hard-fought races who sided with Bush and Republicans.

Six weeks before congressional midterm elections, the Republican-controlled Congress overcame differences within the GOP to approve the president's sweeping anti-terrorism legislation that prohibits war crimes while defining such atrocities as rape and torture, and establishes military tribunals to prosecute terrorism suspects.

The Senate approved the measure 65-34 on Thursday, one day after the House voted in favor 253-168. The House was taking a final vote on the bill Friday before sending it to Bush.

Now that lawmakers have gone on the record on the issue, Republicans can return to their districts in the campaign's homestretch with a political weapon in hand. They can claim they are working to keep the country safe. They also can make the oft-repeated Republican argument that Democrats are weak on security and, perhaps, aiding terrorists.

That approach was obvious when House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., said Democrats who opposed the legislation voted in favor of more rights for terrorists. "The same terrorists who plan to harm innocent Americans and their freedom worldwide would be coddled if we followed the Democrat plan," Hastert said.

Posted by: tonid [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2006 10:42 AM

Good show. Bad news. It is hard not to move to Canada. I miss Malloy. The Bush crime family has the supreme court pretty stacked.

Posted by: me at September 29, 2006 10:42 AM

Was Jeff Gannon one of those teen prostitutes in 1989?

Posted by: Jayson at September 29, 2006 10:43 AM

Anonymus fascist aka coward, has your copy of the sequel to "My Pet Goat" arrived in the mail? You must be on pins and needles. Everyone here knows that you've read the above mentioned and of course the brilliant works of Ann Coulter, but have you read "The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire", "1984", "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich." I doubt that you've read the last because it's apparent from your posts that you wouldn't like or agree with the ending to the latter.

Posted by: Machiabilly at September 29, 2006 10:43 AM

so, as a tourist visiting america, one of your vaterland security agents can make me disappear using your ruler's authorization, beat me to a pulp till i confess that i don't like your leader and then hold me till death as an enemy of the state? oh wait, your vaterland security is operating in my country, so i guess they can pick me up right here.

america, the beacon of freedom and justice for the civilized world; sure, whatever.

history will judge us by your inaction as well.

Posted by: asperger at September 29, 2006 10:43 AM

Was Jeff Gannon one of those teen prostitutes in 1989?

Posted by: Jayson at September 29, 2006 10:43 AM

Was Jeff Gannon one of those teen prostitutes in 1989?

Posted by: Jayson at September 29, 2006 10:43 AM

Well.. that was 20 years ago .. how old would he have been?

Posted by: Catharine [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2006 10:44 AM

Does that include bunny slippers?

Posted by: nora at September 29, 2006 10:20 AM

hare, yeah!!

Posted by: bibimimi~☆♪☥♪☥♪ £♡¢ at September 29, 2006 10:45 AM

Catherine, of course Anonymous Coward has an inferiority complex, all neo-con Republicans suffer from the same affliction. Thus there need to bully and dominate. They need to be seen as having a realy pathology and in need of help.

Posted by: Machiabilly at September 29, 2006 10:47 AM

Lawyers, Guns, and Money
By James Kvaal | bio
Al Capone once said, "A good lawyer with a briefcase can steal more than ten men with machine guns." Some of today's corporate tax lawyers might agree.

Today's Wall Street Journal ($) quoted Scarface Capone in describing how Merck saved $1.5 billion -- that's with a "b" -- by aggressively exploitating international tax loopholes.

http://warrenreports.tpmcafe.com/blog/warrenreports/2006/sep/28/lawyers_guns_and_money

Posted by: tonid [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2006 10:48 AM

First they came for the real terrorists. But I wasn't a real terrorist so it didn't bother me.

Then they came for relatives of the real terrorists. But I wasn't related to any of them, so it didn't bother me.

Then they came for people who shared the same religion as the terrorists. But I wasn't of their religion, so it didn't bother me.

Then they came for people who thought it was wrong for them to come after people who shared the same religion as the terrorists.

Posted by: Jayson at September 29, 2006 10:48 AM

Goebbels’ principles:

:
Propagandist must have access to intelligence concerning events and public opinion
Propaganda must affect the enemy’s policy and action
To be perceived, propaganda must evoke the interest of an audience and must be transmitted through an attention-getting communications medium
Credibility alone must determine whether propaganda output should be true or false
Propaganda to the home front must create an optimum anxiety level
Propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred

Posted by: singsing at September 29, 2006 10:50 AM

get your kool-aid swilling ass over to Iraq, chickenshit.


Posted by: Liberal-at-large at September 29, 2006 10:39 AM

*oh, snap*

Posted by: bibimimi~☆♪☥♪☥♪ £♡¢ at September 29, 2006 10:51 AM

Any religion afficionados here?

Christianity is considered a monotheistic religion, right? However, the radical fundamentalist 'Christianists' insist Jesus be "accepted" which sounds like "be considered divine", as a deity (as opposed to a saint or avatar or teacher (he was a rabbi)). So how does one interpret this? (I know the word "trinity" was invented by the Catholic church (Father, Son, Holy Ghost) and doesn't exist in the Bible.) Do the Christianists call their religion a two-deity godhead kind of thing? Duotheism?

Help, please.

Posted by: nora at September 29, 2006 10:52 AM

Imagine if, from out of this huge reservoir of people, a great wave were unleashed, moving together on the same occasion, making, through their firm stand and their massive numbers, a powerful political statement that could not be ignored: refusing that day to work, or walking out from work, taking off from school or walking out of school -- joining together, rallying and marching, drawing forward many more with them, and in many and varied forms of creative and meaningful political protest throughout the day, letting it be known that they are determined to bring this whole disastrous course to a halt by driving out the Bush Regime through the mobilization of massive political opposition.

If that were done, then the possibility of turning things around and onto a much more favorable direction would take on a whole new dimension of reality.

On October 5, 2006,

on the basis of the Call, The World Can't Wait - Drive Out the Bush Regime!, people throughout the country will be stepping forward in a day of mass resistance. The breadth, the depth, the impact and the power of that day depends not only on those in The World Can't Wait organization, and others, who are already organizing for this day -- it depends on you, on us, on all those who have been hoping and searching for a means to do something that will really make a difference.

If we fail to act to make this a reality, then it will definitely make a difference -- in a decidedly negative way. But if we do take up the challenge to build for this, and then do take history into our hands on that day, through political action on the massive scale that is called for -- it can make all the difference in the world, in a very positive sense and for the possibility of a better future for humanity.

AS THE CALL, THE WORLD CAN'T WAIT - DRIVE OUT THE BUSH REGIME!, CONCLUDES:

"The point is this: history is full of examples where people who had right on their side fought against tremendous odds and were victorious. And it is also full of examples of people passively hoping to wait it out, only to get swallowed up by a horror beyond what they ever imagined. The future is unwritten.

WHICH ONE WE GET IS UP TO US."

Posted by: A. at September 29, 2006 10:52 AM

Morning gang!

good to read ya all!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 29, 2006 10:52 AM

The Foley scandal reminded the editor of an exchange he had with Foley on Fox's Hannity & Colmes regarding comments made by Rep. Cynthia McKinney in April 2002 about Bush having prior warnings of the 911 attacks (now accepted as a fact):

FOLEY: I have no problem with any investigation, but let's not make a comparison between people who have been killed and people who are profiting from their death. I think this is the outrageous part of it. I will look at those situations, but I will not accept Cynthia McKinney's bald-faced lies and the kind of reprehensible statements she's made.
COLMES: I agree with that. But the investigation aspect of it I think is something -- maybe she has a point on that one.
I know you want to respond, Wayne. Go ahead.
MADSEN: Well, it's typical. Attack the messenger. I mean, isn't it funny? The Republicans, when Bill Clinton was president, they dragged him into every possible conspiracy theory, except for linking him to the Lindbergh baby kidnapping. I mean, now we see the same people saying Cynthia McKinney has no right to her opinion. She's out there. I think it's nonsense.
FOLEY: Wayne, let me just say this. When they said that President Clinton launched the war simply to take away the Monica Lewinsky story, I absolutely refuted that and said that was absolutely wrong and unnecessary. I have not let false statements stand, whether they were Democratically directed or Republican directed. I think, in this particular instance, she has a fiduciary, as a member of Congress, to tell the facts and not lie.
HANNITY: Absolutely. Good line.
MADSEN: I think the Congress has a responsibility to investigate.
HANNITY: Congressman Foley -- we're going to give you the last word. Thank you for being with us, Mr. Madsen. Appreciate your time tonight.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

Posted by: Catharine [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2006 10:53 AM

The Headline in the Washington Post, June 1989:

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/washtimesprost.gif

Posted by: Catharine [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2006 10:54 AM

Speaking of Republican's with an inferiority complex.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at September 29, 2006 10:54 AM

Just think of how much money you can make turning your neigbours over to vaterland security, it's a goldmine! better than real-estate, better than ebay... vaterland security should make a web site so we can all start making money!

_____________________


The report also details how bounty hunters -- including police officers and local citizens -- have captured individuals of different nationalities, often apparently at random, and then sold them into U.S. custody.

More than 85 percent of Guantanamo detainees who were arrested by the Afghan Northern Alliance in Pakistan were taken initially when each "terrorist" handed to the United States fetched a reward of up to $5,000, the report alleges.

Posted by: asperger at September 29, 2006 10:57 AM

Yesterday, after the torture bill was passed, their Der Feurher commissioned this new ceiling fresco for the Oval Office.

It will reportedly be ready for the bill's signing ceremony.

Sieg heil!

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at September 29, 2006 10:57 AM

Posted by: Catharine [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2006 10:54 AM

Is Madsen still underground, or has he surfaced again?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at September 29, 2006 10:58 AM

On Friday, September 29, It’s Mourning in America
Friday, September 29th, 2006 by RLR
From BuzzFlash
Editorial

Just as it is hard to fully comprehend the grief of a beloved friend or relative killed needlessly in an accident, it is excruciatingly painful to try to come to terms with the pernicious betrayal of our Constitution and liberty that occurred in the Senate on Thursday, September 28.

In the past week alone, we have seen factual evidence that belies the need for the power play/pre-election attack on our Constitution. In fact, these developments indicate that giving Bush even more unprecedented power is not only unconscionable; it puts the national security of the United States of America in peril:

Bush’s newly “revamped” top 16 intelligence agencies reached the conclusion that the Iraq War had become a primary cause in the growth of terrorists and the increased threat of terrorism to the United States. Bush called the report of his own top intelligent agencies “naïve.” Meanwhile, a second U.N. report came to the same conclusion as the American spy agencies. The U.N. also reported that more Iraqis may now be being tortured under U.S. occupation than were tortured under Saddam Hussein.

And there is a second National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) report just on Iraq that the Bush Administration will not release until after the election. So it clearly must be even more harsh in its assessment of the Iraq War than the White House “selective conclusions” Executive Summary of the first NIE, which was revealed by the New York Times.

http://www.trueblueliberal.com/2006/09/29/on-friday-september-29-its-mourning-in-america/

Posted by: tonid [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2006 10:59 AM

inalienable--incapable of being surrendered or transferred

As in, "inalienable rights."

Posted by: flotron9 [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 29, 2006 10:59 AM

good to read ya all!


Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 29, 2006 10:52 AM

the Vicar is here! Confessions will begin shortly.

Posted by: bibimimi~☆♪☥♪☥♪ £♡¢ at September 29, 2006 10:59 AM