got my khakis on

Morning all!!

Study: US middle class in
worse shape than ever
The typical double-income family in the United States is worse off financially than ever, a study released on Thursday said, warning that few Americans have saved enough to brace for financial setbacks.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060928/us_nm/economy_middleclass_dc;_ylt=AgWLMGoAoIDwFFhzYgXqY4sWIr0F;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

Oliver Stone: I'm ashamed for
my country
Filmmaker Oliver Stone blasted President Bush Thursday, saying he has "set America back 10 years." Stone added that he is "ashamed for my country" over the war in Iraq and the U.S. policies in response to the attacks of Sept. 11.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060929/ap_on_en_mo/film_oliver_stone;_ylt=Au1oz7IWY_MqFuR03Va_RyBI2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

at my son's school where they have not so much adress code as a "philosophy of dress" it is called Civvies day!...and he wore his "cant sleep, clowns will eat me!" t-shirt....
i'm in my pj's still...is that casual enough for you?
good morning....what hour is maron on...and is he really gonna be on this time?

What is happening in my neck of the woods re Voting:

Did election commission break the law?

http://www.dailyherald.com/search/searchstory.asp?id=230376

A state panel wants to know if the DuPage County Election Commission’s housecleaning efforts violated Illinois law.

But the Illinois Local Records Commission stopped short of demanding an investigation when it notified authorities the election commission might have disposed of poll tapes and voter registration cards in violation of the Local Records Act.

“We have no enforcement authority,” said David Joens, director of the Illinois State Archives. “So all we are doing is sending on the allegations to the (DuPage County) state’s attorney and the (Illinois) attorney general’s office.”

On Thursday, officials from the state’s attorney’s office and attorney general’s office said they’re still undecided about how they’ll respond.

However, the nonprofit group that made the destroyed records claims against the DuPage Election Commission is demanding action.

“To instill confidence in our electoral process, we call for authorities to investigate the destruction of public records,” said Jean Kaczmarek, co-chairwoman of the Illinois Ballot Integrity Project.

According to the records act, local units of government can’t dispose of documents without getting written approval from the Cook County Local Records Commission or the downstate Local Records Commission.

A letter from Jesus Camp

Well, yesterday we took a close look at the daily itinerary at Camp Jesus. Today, we share an insider’s view from a whistle-blowing camper, with thanks to the classic Camp Granada by the immortal Allan Sherman.

Hello Muddah, I’m in pieces
Here I’m stuck at, Camp for Jesus
Camp is really, like a prison
And they’re just about to do an exorcism

Six a.m., blowin’ reveille
Class at ten, Study “Devilry”
Kids all screaming, top of their lungs …
Can’t understand them since they speak in ancient tongues

All the counselors, hate the Jews
And the Muslims, Confucius too
And the coaches, for sports like soccer
Say they never want to deal with a Macaca

Don’t worry ’bout me, though I’m homesick
And my scalp has, just a few ticks
But there’s one problem, that I can’t fix …
My bunkmate’s forehead has a hu-mongous “666″

Take me home, I’m, falling to pieces
Christ Almighty, I hate Camp Jesus
This is worse than, nightmare fiction
For the play I drew short straw for Crucifixion

Take me home, I’ll, be a good boy
Clean my room, not, touch my own toy
These fanatics, just can’t stand them
One day here seems like a whole goddamn millenium

Dearest Mother, Dearest Father
Boot camp and Anbar, would be less bother
Come and save me, come to my aid
Color War at camp is called the next Crusade

Wait a minute, they’re serving hot fudge
If you defame, a liber-al judge
And if you beat up, a homo queer
You’re a cinch to lock up Camper of the Year!

McCain says Torture Worked on Me!....Does that explain anything?
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/11/29/100012.shtml

O'Connor worries
about judicial independence
"Directing anger at judges has had a long tradition in our nation, I'm sorry to say," she said. "The public needs to understand that judicial independence is not only for the benefit of judges. Judicial independence is for the benefit of all of society," she said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060929/ts_alt_afp/usjusticepolitics_060929055529;_ylt=AvSY28ZVqmvZae9Hl34uVpHYa7gF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

Grettings!

Greetings!

Greetings!

MT: Burns jokes
about Italian-Americans
Republican Sen. Conrad Burns, who has gotten into hot water before for comments seen as disparaging various groups, joshingly remarked Thursday on the number of Italian-Americans at the Federal Aviation Administration.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060929/ap_on_el_se/burns_italians;_ylt=Ai2Y6p8n4nvV1EqiyiPgU4lp24cA;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

hopefully we'll all get thrown in the same jail cell so we won't have to blog anymore.

hey, has anyone turned george allan over to the postal inspectors, it's a federal felony to tamper with the mail, including depositing something in someone's mailbox, even if it is their mail!!!!
let's get the u.s. postal inspector on this jerk...
-X

The fires of 9/11 still burn and the buildings are still falling. The one you saw fall yesterday was called freedom.

Sam, i hope you've had a look at my suggested banner design (emailed to you) if you ever plan to change the banner from 'majority report' to the 'Sam Seder Show'
I know i'm gonna miss seeing Janeane's picture if it does happen.

I am so so sad.

The phone number 1-866-303 2270 is not working I'm calling from
Staten Island Ny, Tried on thursday too from home and work the same thing happened.

I was under the impression that the Geneva Convention was a treaty that the US was a signatory of. As such, isn't it considered to be legal and binding on citizens of the US? And that the bill passed in the Senate essentially means that the US has withdrawn from the treaty?

The phone number 1-866-303 2270 is not working I'm calling from
Staten Island Ny, Tried on thursday too from home and work the same thing happened.

The phone number 1-866-303 2270 is not working I'm calling from
Staten Island Ny, Tried on thursday too from home and work the same thing happened.

The phone number 1-866-303 2270 is not working I'm calling from
Staten Island Ny, Tried on thursday too from home and work the same thing happened.

Yeah Sam!

Frist may shelve intelligence bill for second year in row

RAW STORY
Published: Friday September 29, 2006

Congressional Quarterly reports that Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) will not allow a key intelligence bill to be brough to the Senate floor and, according to senior leadership aides, "may shelve the measure entirely."

Writer Tim Starks at CQ describes the intelligence authorization bill as "a potential Pandora’s box for Republicans in the run-up to the November midterm elections," given the perception that Senate Democrats would use such a bill to hammer President Bush's Iraq war policies. "Frist does not want to give them the platform to do so," writes Starks, "because he considers a rehash of the war to be a waste of the Senate's time."

A second failed year for the bill would "neuter the Intelligence panels," the article states, meaning in essence that Congressional committees would be unable to provide strategic guidance to the US intelligence community.

Excerpts from the subscription-only article follow...

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Frist_may_shelve_intelligence_bill_for_0929.html

Sam,
Let's have a live on air water boarding session, with the volunteer wearing a mic, and with sports like commentary to illustrate what our Congress and President have approved.

Great show, I wish it were repeated at night!!

-am

The phone number 1-866-303 2270 is not working I'm calling from
Staten Island Ny, Tried on thursday too from home and work the same thing happened.

I am making sure that I can blog.

What is going on in our Country? I cannot believe that I am now a citizen of a country that legally tortures people. I cannot believe that my president can now decide that any american citizen is a "enemy combatant" and can detain them without any proof and without any legal defense?? It is shocking, appalling and almost too surreal to believe. Where is the public outrage? Where is the public concern for human rights? What is going through the minds of those that support GW Bush and his terrorizing. I'm very afraid that our country is turning into a facist state... and no one cares!
What do we do?

What is going on in our Country? I cannot believe that I am now a citizen of a country that legally tortures people. I cannot believe that my president can now decide that any american citizen is a "enemy combatant" and can detain them without any proof and without any legal defense?? It is shocking, appalling and almost too surreal to believe. Where is the public outrage? Where is the public concern for human rights? What is going through the minds of those that support GW Bush and his terrorizing. I'm very afraid that our country is turning into a facist state... and no one cares!
What do we do?

G'day, gang!

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"Sieg heil, mein Feurher!"

Aka: the new required salutation upon entering the Oval Office. Arm-up salute is still optional but they're considering requiring that, too.

[Hitler, Stalin & Moussolini are watching & smiling...broadly.]

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That w/b my idea of an ongoing protest. Every time a Senator -- puke or dem -- who voted for the torture-enabling legislation appeared in public, there w/b protesters giving the Nazi salute & screaming "Sieg heil!"

My placard would read: Nazis torture...Americans don't!

x-interupt wrote:

hey, has anyone turned george allan over to the postal inspectors, it's a federal felony to tamper with the mail, including depositing something in someone's mailbox, even if it is their mail!!!!
let's get the u.s. postal inspector on this jerk...
-X

Posted by: at September 29, 2006 9:17 AM

If only this would work - unfortunately, the statute of limitation has expired - unless this occurred in the last 7 years.

Gas prices and the election:

Question? Whith unleaded gas prices in Ohio as low as $1.99, why is diesel still hovering around $3.00?

The high cost of diesel increases the price of all goods and services since they need to be delivered. Why did the price of unleaded drop by $1.00 in the past 2 months, but not diesel?

Marty in Parma, Ohio

Casual Friday!

*takes off pants*

I just drew a picture that expresses what I feel. It reads: US of America, July 4, 1776---September 28, 2006. May there be unrest until she returns to the constitution (on a headstone). I feel that is what happened yesterday. Our great country of our ancesters who built it has died, and so damn swiftly without any effort. Whoosh! and she is gone. I have screamed, stomped and cried over this as I have over everything that has happened in the last 6 years. It hasn't helped.

My placard would read: Nazis torture...Americans don't!

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at September 29, 2006 9:24 AM

aaaaaaaaah! the N word!!

I wept as they killed our country yesterday. Today and each day my flag will fly at half mast in mourning.

*takes off pants*

Posted by: icelander at September 29, 2006 9:25 AM

freeballin' in a not-so-free world

Bring the war Home: SCUD Bush!

Ashcroft Is Denied Immunity in Case

By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, September 29, 2006; A12

A federal judge in Idaho has ruled that former attorney general John D. Ashcroft can be held personally responsible for the wrongful detention of a U.S. citizen arrested as a "material witness" in a terrorism case.

U.S. District Judge Edward J. Lodge, in a ruling issued late Wednesday, dismissed claims by the Justice Department that Ashcroft and other officials should be granted immunity from claims by a former star college football player arrested at Dulles International Airport in 2003.

Attorneys for the plaintiff in the civil suit, Abdullah al-Kidd, said the decision raises the possibility that Ashcroft could be forced to testify or turn over records about the government's use of the material witness law, a cornerstone of its controversial legal strategy after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Justice Department officials did not respond to telephone messages yesterday seeking comment. A spokeswoman for Ashcroft also did not respond to requests for comment.

Robin Goldfaden, one of Kidd's attorneys at the American Civil Liberties Union, said the case "could be the launching point for more fully documenting how the government is misusing the material witness statute."

The law was intended to give authorities the power to detain witnesses they feared might flee before testifying. But after the Sept. 11 attacks, the government used it to hold 70 men, nearly half of whom were never called to testify in court, according to a study by the ACLU and Human Rights Watch.

http://www.rawstory.com/showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fwp-dyn%2Fcontent%2Farticle%2F2006%2F09%2F28%2FAR2006092801718_pf.html

I have a couple of questions I wish I could ask George Macca Allen..
1. Are you typically in the habit of making up words during public speeches? That seems a habit fraught with hazards. People might actually try to look up the words you are making up. Not very smart for a public person to do that.
2. Can you give us a few other examples of when you made up words in public? If we are to believe you just made up this word, then it stands to reason that you have done this before. If not, it was not a great precedent to set for yourself.

and just a general question:
Since we are now one of the countries that permits torture, can we rendition criminals to, say Attica--or one of our other great penal institutions??

just curious...

I have a couple of questions I wish I could ask George Macca Allen..
1. Are you typically in the habit of making up words during public speeches? That seems a habit fraught with hazards. People might actually try to look up the words you are making up. Not very smart for a public person to do that.
2. Can you give us a few other examples of when you made up words in public? If we are to believe you just made up this word, then it stands to reason that you have done this before. If not, it was not a great precedent to set for yourself.

and just a general question:
Since we are now one of the countries that permits torture, can we rendition criminals to, say Attica--or one of our other great penal institutions??

just curious...

I'm free. Are you not free? You're only not free if you're afraid.

Let the bastards come and get me. I'm still not afraid of them. Why? Because I know I'm right, and they're wrong.

Back to Story - Help
Brother-in-law of new Saddam judge slain 40 minutes ago

The brother-in-law of the new judge presiding over Saddam Hussein's genocide trial was killed and his nephew was wounded in a shooting Friday in Baghdad, the latest deadly violence linked to proceedings against the former Iraqi leader.

Kadhim Abdul-Hussein was fatally shot, and his son, Karrar, was wounded in the capital's western Ghazaliyah neighborhood by unidentified assailants, police 1st Lt. Thaer Mahmoud said.

It was not immediately clear whether they were targeted because they were related to Judge Mohammed Oreibi al-Khalifa, a Shiite Muslim who took over the Saddam trial last week, or if it was another of the sectarian attacks that have been plaguing Baghdad.

During Saddam's first trial, three defense lawyers were killed, and in July, Saddam and three other defendants refused food to protest lack of security for lawyers and conduct of the trial.

Friday's attack in the predominantly Sunni neighborhood of Ghazaliyah came a half-hour before the weekly ban on vehicular traffic in the capital that has been instituted to try to prevent suicide bombings on the Muslim holy day.

Al-Khalifa had been deputy to the original chief judge in the trial, Abdullah al-Amiri, who was removed on accusations he was too soft on Saddam. Among other things, al-Amiri had angered Kurdish politicians by declaring in court that Saddam was "not a dictator."

Saddam's nine lawyers walked out of the trial Monday to boycott the proceedings in protest of al-Amiri's removal.

Al-Khalifa later adjourned the trial until Oct. 9, saying he wanted to give the defendants time to persuade their original lawyers to end the boycott, or to confer with new attorneys.

The Black Hand Lives in Iraq

Maybe the senators should be the first to be rounded up and tortured. If the terrorists hate our freedoms, haven't the senators materially aided them?

http://neatthings.blogspot.com/2005/08/operation-yellow-elephant.html

Please watch "Yellow elephant " video...

Hi Sam,
Do me a favor and ask Maron if he's still *clinging* to the idea that his mutilated penis is somehow superior to a normal, intact one.

-kat
www.luckystiff.org

“The White House ignored an urgent warning in September 2003 from a top Iraq adviser who said that thousands of additional American troops were desperately needed to quell the insurgency there,” according to Bob Woodward’s new book.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/29/washington/29account.html?ex=1317182400&en=a33f6473f91c835d&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Sam,
I know this is from yesterday, but I podcast. I implore you to read all of this, and hopefully to paraphrase this on the air. The debate over your use of the N-word is extremely important, because it has the potential to distract from the real issue. George Allen?s racism, and by extension the Rapeublican party?s at best tacit embrace of racism, is a crucial message that must not be clouded by this.
To your callers, Jamillah and Evelyn, your point is wholly legitimate, and one that I shared over the past few days listening to the show. Sam, I think the piece of this that you might be missing is that the N word is not like other epithets. It was historically used in the way that a whip is used, not just to hurt, but to control and subjugate. It was a tool of conditioning used, not just on black folks, but on whites as well. The repeated use of the word was intended to condition white people to regard black people as less than human. In any case, the conditioning was so pervasive, so extensive, that the word itself has become like a whip.
The modern intent is less about conditioning and more about identifying. A white racist will often float a ?test balloon? to a new (white) acquaintance, to gauge that person?s level of racism. If all goes well, the newfound friends can end up having an N word hoedown.
The use of the word directly against blacks has declined significantly, a sure indicator of the cowardice of the racist mind. No longer in the majority, they now rely on ?secret handshake? words like ?Macaca?. This is the point that gets lost in your analysis of the Allen incident. There is no doubt he knew what the word meant. However, even those people who rightfully convict Allen for this do so under the assumption that the word ?slipped out?, revealing his true colors. It is my feeling that this was deliberate, a ?secret handshake? to his racist base, which he assumed that decent people would miss entirely.
The use of the word among black contemporaries is, I feel, also about identification, about bonding, while also a defiance against the word?s original intent. For folks like Evelyn, it still feels like a slap, it evokes that terrifyi

Woodward also claims “Bush’s top advisers were often at odds among themselves, and sometimes were barely on speaking terms,” and that Bush said as recently as November 2003, “I don’t want anyone in the cabinet to say it is an insurgency. I don’t think we are there yet.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/29/washington/29account.html?ex=1317182400&en=a33f6473f91c835d&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

A federal judge ruled that “Halliburton employees working in Iraq and Kuwait are not entitled to overtime pay, even though a contract between the company and the U.S. Army called for it.” Between 20,000 and 40,000 overseas truck drivers, cooks, mechanics and others were promised the overtime pay. The ruling said “federal wage-and-hour laws don’t extend to work done outside the U.S.”

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/biz/4220310.html

Oliver Stone: I'm ashamed for my country Filmmaker Oliver Stone blasted President Bush Thursday, saying he has "set America back 10 years." Stone added that he is "ashamed for my country" over the war in Iraq and the U.S. policies in response to the attacks of Sept. 11.

Only 10 years?? Seems to me we've gone back to pre Magna Carta days.

Hey all!

Liberals: Objective Reality and Subjective Morality
Conservatives: Subjective Reality and Objective Morality

Pity the conservative fool that makes a decision to call Sam Seder! Go Sam. We need your voice!!!

http://tinyurl.com/ptwg9

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff had hundreds more contacts with top White House officials than those Bush administration officials had previously acknowledged, according to a congressional report to be released on Friday.

The report by the House Government Reform Committee, a copy of which was obtained by Reuters, said the panel found about 485 contacts between Abramoff and his associations and the White House, including 10 with Karl Rove, who is President George W. Bush's top political adviser.

The committee based its findings on 14,000 pages of e-mails and billing records spanning three years ending in 2003, the committee report said.

... more

According to the billing records and e-mails, Abramoff and his team had 485 lobbying contacts with White House officials between January 2001 and March 2004 -- 345 described as meetings or other in-person interactions, 71 described as phone conversations, and 69 e-mail exchanges.

The report found that more than half of the in-person contacts involved meals or drinks with White House officials.

One e-mail discusses how often Rove visited a downtown Washington restaurant then owned by Abramoff. "I am not kidding. Karl loves the restaurant (he's been there a lot) and we could do the back room," it said.

The report also quotes Abramoff about using Ralph Reed, former leader of the conservative Christian Coalition, to lobby Rove. Reed's recent bid to become lieutenant governor of Georgia failed, in part because of his Abramoff ties.

Abramoff and his team claimed to have lobbied the White House Office of Political Affairs in 17 instances, the report says.

In six of these instances, the documents describe a direct contact with Ken Mehlman, now chairman of the Republican Party. At the time of the contacts, he was director of the office.

Well Dubya was back in Ohio last night. That's right! Chief Chimpy was in the house. He was attending a fundraiser for Mike Dewine and Debra Price. Both are die-hard supporters of the Chimp in Chief. His host was billionaire, rabid Likud Party supporter, Les Wexner. It was held at Wexner's mansion in New Albany, Ohio.

A friend and I decided to go. We planned to join some fellow protesters. Now guess what? The entire town was blocked off. The closest we could get was to a library. It was located across from New Albany High School. Parents were there to pick up their children from practice. The police forbade them from crossing the street. Finally my friend and I gave up.

When we left, it was near dark. The parents were still waiting to receive clearance to pick up their children. It was said that Bush was 3 miles away from where we were located. What a coward?

We were told however, that some protesters were able to get through. My friend's son, an Iraqi Veteran, manage to give bush the finger.

Sammer --

Re: the caller, Tom.

A wise man said:

One is absolutely entitled to their own opinion.

One, however, is NOT entitled to their own facts.

Torture.

The hard fundamentalist Christian right is confused mostly because of their glorification of torture. Look at their icon of torture the naked brutally tortured body of Jesus Christ.
The torture of Christ is what led to their salvation and cleansing of sins. Without the torture which eventually resulted in the death of Christ their salvation would not have been possible.
As a result torture is good it is the only way to Salvation!

Iraqi Journalists Charged Under New Laws Criminalizing Speech Against The Government...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/29/world/middleeast/29media.html?hp&ex=1159502400&en=38c9900bc0642a2b&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Sounds like that is what is happening here too! Very few really criticize this gov

Rove is gonna be here in Scottsdale, Az today. Anyone have any messages they want me to relay?

When In the Course Of Human Events…
By Christy Hardin Smith @ 1:24 pm

http://static.firedoglake.com/2006/09/continentalcongress.JPG

Well, Here’s a Question…
By Christy Hardin Smith @ 6:28 am

Article I, Section 9, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution states as follows:

The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

It expressly forbids suspension of the writ of habeas corpus except under very specific and highly limited circumstances – and as we are neither dealing with a case of rebellion or invasion at the time of this attempted enactment of this torture law in Congress, I am really wondering on what leg they propose to stand when arguing constitutionality at the first legal challenge to this law.

And if it is deemed unconstitutional, as it is likely to be, then all of this effort will have been for what? Congressional GOP and Bush Administration CYA? Well, that’s a fantastic use of the public’s time and money, isn’t it? I know, how about we do the job correctly and thoughtfully instead of just rushing something out the door.

Read the rest of this entry »

http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/28/well-heres-a-question/#more-4708

To all the fatalists: If we're going to die or get tortured or something even if we don't fight, why not fight? What do we have to lose?

Yes Kristapea,

tell Karl to eat shit and die.

Without the torture which eventually resulted in the death of Christ their salvation would not have been possible. As a result torture is good it is the only way to Salvation!

Well, then, why aren't these people lining up at Guantanomo Bay??

Correction Sam. The green party acknowledges Gore one. The Democratic party does not.
Don't blame Nader or us. Blame the democratic leadership of the senate that would not second the motion of the black caucus to look into the Florida vote. Instead they ratified the vote.
When I voted for Nader I was still a democrat. The day the new leadership councle rolled over and gave up the election I became a green.

To anyone doesn't like this, support IRV!

Correction Sam. The green party acknowledges Gore won. The Democratic party does not.
Don't blame Nader or us. Blame the democratic leadership of the senate that would not second the motion of the black caucus to look into the Florida vote. Instead they ratified the vote.
When I voted for Nader I was still a democrat. The day the new leadership councle rolled over and gave up the election I became a green.

To anyone doesn't like this, support IRV!

A letter from Jesus Camp ...

Posted by: Milkman at September 29, 2006 9:11 AM

*applause*

BTW, on the Olbermann piece on Jesus Camp last night, did anyone else notice the distinct absence of "campers" -- or anyone else, for that matter -- whom Sen. George Allen could refer to as "macaca?"

The only thing missing at that "camp" were the campers' brown shirt uniforms. That "camp" was all about indoctrination & brainwashing. The overseers didn't even bother to deny that. I wonder what those kids were getting in their kool-aid?

Did you catch the cardboard visage of Dim Son being prayed to? The camp's Drill Sgt.'s said prayed FOR, but we know better.

Americans voted for empire. Whether empire lite with the dems or empire thug with the bushbots, the choice was for empire. Only now it's becoming apparent empries and republics cannot coexist. Reumsfeld and Darth Cheney have always understood this fact of history and have moved with determination to destroy the republic while maintaining a facade of democracy. Hey, even Caligula had a Senate. We're living in momentous times - we are witness to the death of the american democratic experiment.

I had to work late I didn't catch Keith.. Shite...

The war on Terror is a war on a concept. As such, its a war without end. So the republicans have given this so called president the power to do this indefinitely. Republicans should ask themselves "Do we want a democrat to have total power?" At least they should have exempted American citizens. This is truly a sad day.

Milkman: If it's good, crooks and liars will have it

Or check google video or youtube

Hey
As to Joe in Dallas - We are sorry to loose our local affiliate in Dallas and we are fighting hard to get a new station BUT we in Dallas have never depended on KXEB to be fans of AAR.
We at Dallas we have a fan group of over 500 people in 6 counties of North Texas and have had the group 2 1/2 years and before we had KXEB! We stream/podcast and have XM !!!

Please visit our web site - we have film groups, books clubs a Meetup and we run the YAHOO group in DFW for news / discussion and liberal Democratic activism.
Visit http://www.dallasairamerica.org/
And email me, Nancy Cunningham cunningb@flash.net for more info !

Thanks for the support Sammy !

Funny that Congress, the CIA, the American people, and the milatary are for this legislation. But you know better! Oh yes, the loony left has the answers! What a joke!

It will start slowly. People will begin to be removed from their homes, schools, places of work. Maybe your neighbor, maybe you. They will not start with high profile people, celebrities, media personalities, politicians etc.. It will be the "little folks" who are willing to speak truth to power yet lack a high profile status and therefore will not be noticed or missed. When some people begin to ask questions the nation will be told that measures are necessary to fight the war on terror and it is in the best interest of the country to insure the safety of the nation. As it happened in Germany, it will begin slowly, building momentum. Given the demonization by far right wing propagandists and politicians of progressives, liberals, Democrats, people of color, foreigners, and those with another religious persuasion, the ground work for more drastic measures to "protect" the nation have been put in place so that the people will be willing to accept whatever measures they are told are necessary. The authoritarian anti-democratic streak that lies just below the surface in the American psyche has been played to perfection by
those who detest democracy and justice. It's power solely for power's sake.

should heard all the pro-torture pro-wiretapping chickenshites callin C-Span last nite...these guys are 2 millimeters from walking fertilizer