woo hoo the bolg is back
i'm a super genius

Call nine one one.

The Rajah is hyperventilating.

Frost !!

It's fascist media propaganda brothel

everywhere !

yawn...

well there goes the neighborhood

Geez, I never thought working toward

a cease fire bringing an end to death and

destruction would fall out of vogue, but

apparently war monger Bush Inc. fascists

like guts and blood on the street,

I'll play stupid, sure, OK, why not

the more dead bodies the better

they are like a compost pile for

a lasting peace.

woo hoo the bolg is back i'm a super genius

Posted by: chole at July 23, 2006 09:38 PM

hahahaha!

Chole noticed that the blog was back on

I was like

Im going to wait a few, to see what's up

Chole is like, no way, be the first poster

Im like, um no. Only LOSERS would post this quickly...

He's like ok.

AND THEN HE POSTED.

My apologies...we share the same IP.

:)

YAY!

The bloggie is back! And Im right under Nobs

oh hee

The bloggie is back! And Im right under Nobs

oh hee

Posted by: conbo at July 23, 2006 10:10 PM

don't be getting fresh with me...it's too damned hot for any of that kind of nonsense

LEBANON:

"UN and Other Humanitarian Agencies Step Up Relief"

----------------

Excerpts:

"As the number of people fleeing Lebanon rises along with the number of displaced people, the UN and other aid agencies are gearing up to assist the needy.

The UN's refugee agency, UNHCR is planning a multi-million dollar operation for the region.

Two other UN agencies, the UN's Children's Fund, UNICEF, and the World Health Organisation, WHO, say they are planning to provide emergency medical kits to hospitals, as well as generators and fuel to hospitals and schools where displaced people in Lebanon are sheltering.

'Over-crowding in school shelters and lack of access to safe water poses a threat of acute respiratory infections, water-borne diseases and the spread of contagious diseases such as measles.

Urgent medical supplies and some nutritional support will be needed to support displaced families...as 400,000 people have fled their homes,' said a UNICEF statement."

==========================

LINKS:

http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=54733&SelectRegion=Middle_East

To support UNICEF:

http://www.unicef.org/support/index.html

To support UNHCR:

http://www.unhcr.org/donate/

It's fascist media propaganda brothel, posted by AJAX... SNIFF..SNIFF SMELLS like NAZI GERMANY BRO!

"... direct talks with Syria would be pointless ..."

True, talking with Bush Inc. fascists

is a waste of time, the best you can hope for

is Bush Inc. making a joke about BBQ'd pig

and then rubbing your shoulders while

humping the back of your chair,

they do have a point.

For masochists only....

There's a Brady Bunch marathon on TV Land til 6 AM (EST)...

SMELLS like NAZI GERMANY BRO!

Posted by: khama at July 23, 2006 10:18 PM

There is that heady aroma in the air

isn't there ?

It's a fine line between throwing civilians

into big ovens and encouraging your "ally"

to blow them into bloody, meaty, dead torsos.

But these days we let Bush Inc. war monger fascists

say that is the birthing process for a new

Middle East.

For masochists only....

There's a Brady Bunch marathon on TV Land til 6 AM (EST)...

Posted by: GG 4.33 at July 23, 2006 10:26 PM

not unless you buy me dinner and then get me drunk first...

Kind of a nice sociology test. Who are the most blog dependant? Was that message from Sam? Weening the pups off the blog? I love it!

Hey guys

"... pin point attacks ..."

that blow up several city blocks

and the civilians in them, well,

I guess it depends on how big

the point of your pin is ?

Posted by: Anonymous at July 23, 2006 10:32 PM

dependant?...No just looking for a break from working on my own site...how about you?

!

Spoink!

!

tanks Mark!

we were over at shells patio

having brunch and brews.

http://majorityreportradio.blogspot.com/

'Mafia Cops' want out before retrial

Convicted "Mafia Cop" Louis Eppolito wants to live in his own home in Las Vegas if he is granted bail Tuesday by the federal judge who dismissed a large part of the racketeering case against him.

In court papers filed last week by his attorney Joseph Bondy, Eppolito, 57, is asking that he be released on his earlier $5 million bail package. Eppolito, and his former ex-NYPD partner Stephen Caracappa, 64, are seeking release following the stunning decision by Brooklyn federal Judge Jack B. Weinstein in late June to throw out the heart of the murder and racketeering convictions against them.

Despite the jury convictions of Eppolito and Caracappa for their roles in eight gangland murders, Weinstein found insufficient evidence to support the racketeering murder verdict.

Both defendants had been accused of working for the Luchese crime family while they were cops in the late 1980s. Weinstein said the statute of limitations for the conspiracy had expired. The judge also called for a retrial on a narcotics conspiracy charge.

Federal prosecutors are appealing the decisions and said they expect Weinstein to be reversed.

More >>

Notice Hitlers in head scarfs want help

I wonder how many actors and comedians are Jews??

Franken Jew?? Garaffilo Jew ??

GOT SPINE?

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This is the time libs run wild

I guess jews in Hollywood should be dead LOL

How is Shehaqn doing on that hunger strike LOL!

Shehan dead yet LOL

L@L,

My Conexant Soft56K V92 modem is still connecting (and apparently through-putting) at 26.4 Kbps.

A friend's laptop connected, variously, at 47 through 54 Kbps.

We ran a timed speed test on both computers via a freebie available on the net. It verified that mine was running much slower than his.

So. The lines are fine. The service provider is hunky-dory. Something in the software of my modem is corrupted or AWOL or sumthin'. We (and I) have checked the settings a zillion times and they seem to be correct. (Didn't delete/dis-install and reinstall the modem in Windows, though.)

We also messed around with the driver on my modem, removed and reinstalled the physical modem and ditched recent commands suggested by my Telco/ISP tech support geeks (all were chokers/slower-downers) but the performance is unchanged.

(Bait opens trench coat): "Wanna see my Modem Log?"

Wanna see some pictures of the burnt bodies of lebanese kids sith101?

That'll cheer you up huh?

ditched recent commands suggested by my Telco/ISP tech support geeks (all were chokers/slower-downers) but the performance is unchanged.

Posted by: Crank Bait at July 23, 2006 10:59 PM

Cranky, get yourself a little clear ringing bell

and ring it above your computer, the ringing of

the bell will clear your computer's CPU and

allow it to process more clearly.

you can go here and play this for your CPU

and its modem:

http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/tagsViewSingle.php?id=1814_435

(Bait opens trench coat): "Wanna see my Modem Log?"

Posted by: Crank Bait at July 23, 2006 10:59 PM

--

You picked up some spyware in your gay porn downloads. Need a quality anti-spyware prog. None of the cheapass crap you try to get by with.

Got any dirty pictures of your wife?

You picked up some spyware in your gay porn downloads. Need a quality anti-spyware prog. None of the cheapass crap you try to get by with.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 23, 2006 11:06 PM

the voice of experience chimes in

Libs are like Hitler they hate jews

No, but i can email you some of yours!

Air America people that are jews??

the voice of experience chimes in

Posted by: Nobody at July 23, 2006 11:09 PM

Been there, done that. He's lucky that is all he got!

There are Air Americans that are Jews

Got any dirty pictures of your wife?

Posted by: Anonymous at July 23, 2006 11:09 PM

No

Posted by: Anonymous at July 23, 2006 11:10 PM

I'll sell ya some.

Got any Pics of Liberal holly Wood Jews??

Libs are like Hitler they hate jews

Posted by: sith101 at July 23, 2006 11:10 PM

no really...wanna see the charred blackened corpse that are the result of Israeli bombing in Lebanon?

I've got all kinds of links for you

I can't figure out how, or if, old modem logs can be referenced?

I remember a power outage a few weeks ago (sunny skies...one of those "out of the blue" blinkers) that shut me down.

It would be interesting to see when the faster connections ended and the consistently slow connections began.

I guess jews in Hollywood should be dead LOL

Posted by: sith101 at July 23, 2006 10:56 PM

Murder Incorporated

Got any Pics of self hating Holly Wood Jews?? Liberals LOL!!

Ya cheap dumb bastard. It is spyware!

hee! spyware?

hahahahahahahahaa!

from using a gates OS?

(snicker!) linux pretty easy now...

has been for more than 3 years.

was a lil geeky before.

last malware in the

wild was 99 !

Got any Pics of Liberal holly Wood Jews??

Posted by: sith101 at July 23, 2006 11:13 PM

You don't wanna see what the Israelis are doing?...Why is that?...

Notice how far Ari America is going LOL!

Savage has more listners then Air America LOL!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at July 23, 2006 11:15 PM

Linux users worldwide are in for a rude shock. For the first time ever, the number of Linux vulnerabilities, attacks, and exploits has exceeded that of Microsoft Windows according to U.K. security research firm and integrator

http://www.insecure.org/sploits_linux.html

http://www.linux-sec.net/Exploits/

Savage has more listners then Air America LOL!

Posted by: sith101 at July 23, 2006 11:18 PM

The lowest common denominator...

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The Top 10 Conservative Idiots, No. 253

July 24, 2006 - Instant Massage Edition

It's a case of Prez Gone Wild this week as George W. Bush (1,2) gets fresh with his hands - and his veto pen. Elsewhere, Mike DeWine (5) fails to exploit 9/11 properly, John Gosek (6) goes to prison, and James Inhofe (9) explains global warming.

Hasta la vista baby

Hispanics are turning away from GOP

Sith101's off his meds again.

It looks like the trolls were more eager than the regulars to get the blog back online.

I, for one, believe the blog should have a zero tolerance for racism, anti-semitism, etc.

this site is apache..it has been successfully attacked with denial of services attacks...

does that count as to what you are talking about Mr. Nobody?

Posted by: ÇħűБъÿ۞ßűБъåřąċħ at July 23, 2006 11:38 PM

newp

>>It's a case of Prez Gone Wild this week as George W. Bush (1,2) gets fresh with his hands - and his veto pen. Elsewhere, Mike DeWine (5) fails to exploit 9/11 properly, John Gosek (6) goes to prison, and James Inhofe (9) explains global warming.

Posted by: Kevin © at July 23, 2006 11:34 PM

Damn, Bush is a freakin' whore! Marrying the Saudi Prince last year, now he's touching or kissing everyone he comes in contact with.

I suppose he's desperate for contact, what with his wife sedated most of the time.

Still, it's not like he's thrown up on anyone, like his daddy did to the Japanese prime minister.

Bush: 'Racism still lingers in America'

Bush Greeted by NAACP With Silence and Ironic Applause

A chilly reception from NAACP

Bush attends first NAACP convention after skipping last 5

Afro-Americans heckle Bush

Bush tells NAACP: Party's rift with blacks `a tragedy'

Yes; Bush Hates Blacks!

'We Must Work as One,' Bush Says in 1st NAACP Address

Hi SeaCat!

how are you?

I hope you are not mad because Miho stopped picking on you,

I told her to knock it off, you might not like the attention.

I can't figure out how, or if, old modem logs can be referenced?

I remember a power outage a few weeks ago (sunny skies...one of those "out of the blue" blinkers) that shut me down.

It would be interesting to see when the faster connections ended and the consistently slow connections began.

Posted by: Crank Bait at July 23, 2006 11:14 PM

____________

[dr channels L@L]:

Are you still running on and on about yer damn who's on who modem down who first?

GEE-zus Kee-RIST, man.

All right. Lemme address this issue once 'n for all so's ever'thing's neat 'n clear.

Screw electron microscopes, K?

If you were to obtain, say, an atomic force microscope, and then, say, you patiently went to work examining every single cell in my entire fucking body -- right down to the single strands in my DNA -- you could not find, no matter how long you looked nor how hard you labored, the tiniest particle of atomic interest residing in me that gives a shit about your modem problems.

Hope that helps.

Your friend,

L@L

[diagnosis on the house; no charge]

Naw, I thought it was cute.

Konservative Talk Radio Host: You Were Right; I Was Wrong - Bush One of Worst Ever

After five years of carefully watching George W. Bush I've reached the conclusion he's either grossly incompetent, or a hand puppet for a gaggle of detached theorists with their own private view of how the world works. Or both.

Presidential failures. James Buchanan, Franklin Pierce, Jimmy Carter, Warren Harding--- the competition is fierce for the worst of the worst. Still, the damage this President has done is enormous. It will take decades to undo, and that's assuming we do everything right from now on. His mistakes have global implications, while the other failed Presidents mostly authored domestic embarrassments.

The Top 10 Conservative Idiots, No. 253

Posted by: Kevin © at July 23, 2006 11:34 PM

SODA JERK LIVES UP TO NAME

He insults and ignores customers, plus his shakes are LOUSY!

in ther seattle PI's comment blog there is a poster named y `Peachinski'...

Hmmmm, I wonder...is there a connection?

SeaCat?

I'm looking at you!

wha....wha.....wha.... L@L is messing with Cranky's modem, and it's NOT the porn site Crank visits? Wow, I have been extremely misinformed. Guess you can't believe everything you read here on the blog.

BTW, who's the new "not sam"?

By Doug McIntyre
Host, McIntyre in the Morning
Talk Radio 790 KABC

I was wrong to have voted for George W. Bush. In historic terms, I believe George W. Bush is the worst two-term President in the history of the country. Worse than Grant. I also believe a case can be made that he's the worst President, period.

Naw, I thought it was cute.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle at July 24, 2006 12:01 AM

are you sure?

you've seemed a little distant lately.

>>`Peachinski'...

I wished I HAD thought of it, Chubby. I think it's YOU!

[eyes you right back]

BTW, who's the new "not sam"?

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle at July 24, 2006 12:06 AM

___________

Ahem.

Don't you mean not-not sam.

(I smell a round of knock-knock jokes in the offing.)

I really don't understand how Carter can possibly rank as one of the worst presidents.

I mean, history proves his presidency was sabotaged by re[ublican insiders, CIA, etc.

>>, Chubby. I think it's YOU!

well, there IS a chubbybubba ther. and that guy's keyboarding is as bad as mine!

Hiya Nobs. You have an answer for the question yet? I figure its been about 40 hours, you should be ready to answer now.

Oh, and I would like to thank the nic stealing troll who thought they would answer for me after I left. I did find that amusing. :)

>>>are you sure?

you've seemed a little distant lately.

Posted by: Ç????ÿ?ß???å???? at July 24, 2006 12:09 AM

====

No no no,

I was/am having some problems with my new macbook, which has to go in for repairs. Today I turned on my old emac, still reliable as always, and am blogging from that.

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with you (you know I adore you) or anyone else here.

If it did, I would say so.

Also last week I performed my first wedding ceremony, and spent quite a bit of time preparing for it.

What are you doing to keep cool, chubby? I envision you running through the neighbor's sprinklers, or setting up a slip and slide in your side yard.

"What we're seeing here ... are the birth pangs of a new Middle East and whatever we do, we have to be certain that we are pushing forward to the new Middle East, not going back to the old one."

-- Condoleeza "completely abdicated my duty on 9/11, but somehow forgot to resign!; then bought shoes in NYC while New Orleans drowned! now I can't even figure out what my job is or why it's important!" Rice

...............

Rapture Ready forum re: "birth pangs" of Armageddon since 9/11

... Having told His disciples which characteristics would not indicate the end of the age, Jesus turned to the questions themselves; He begins with the third one about the sign that would mark the end of the age (Matthew 24: 7-8; Mark 13:8; Luke 21:10-11).

According to all three Gospels, the sign of the end of the age is said to be when nation shall rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. This act will be coupled with famines and earthquakes in various places, which Messiah clearly stated would be the beginning of travail.

The term travail means “birth-pang,” referring to the series of birth-pangs that a woman undergoes before giving birth.

The prophets pictured the last days as a series of birth-pangs before the birth of the new Messianic Age.

Yeshua is saying that the beginning of travail (the first birth-pang and the sign that the end of the age has begun) is when nation rises against nation and kingdom against kingdom.

.......

Birth Pangs by digby

BUSH TO STAR ON FOX'S 24? - Rove Fears Role May Confuse Constituents

...or setting off fire alarms so sprinklers would go off.

Stuff I would do if I didn't have a basement to hole up in.

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 12:15 AM

You've been answered more than once and refuse to acknowledge it.

I'm not going to play your "say my name" bullshit games muck...You lied and that's that.

>>I really don't understand how Carter can possibly rank as one of the worst presidents.

and if they want to go into all that malaise nonsence...have they ever considered all that `economic strife' was by design?

a little tantrum from big business, "How dare you regulate my industry, my polutants! HOW DARE YOU!!!

We'll have massive layoffs to prove our point! if you don't deregulate,RIGHT NOW, we'll hold our breathe till we turn blue! WE'LL LEAVE THE COUNTRY! WE'LL TAKE OUR TOYS AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!"

If it did, I would say so.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle at July 24, 2006 12:16 AM

OK, I know you aren't shy about such things.

more tact full than many around here. I truly admire that.

tact is kinda a new thing for me ;)

>>According to all three Gospels, the sign of the end of the age is said to be when nation shall rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. This act will be coupled with famines and earthquakes in various places, which Messiah clearly stated would be the beginning of travail.

oh good grief, are people so freaking ignorant that they think nation's haven't risen up against nations ever before in the whole entire history of humankind?

Would these rapturist please name me a time when nations WEREN'T rising up against each other, or earthquakes and famines didn't exist?

//I'm not going to play your "say my name" bullshit games muck...You lied and that's that.

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 12:21 AM
//

I see, so you still refuse to answer the question. I don't dislike you Nobs, but I think you are in some weird warped little world of thinking. From what I have gathered from you over the last 2 years:

Israel does not have the right to exist...

The Holocuast is a great exagerration...

The Israelis were the ones behind 9/11...

The Israelis were behind this blunder in Iraq...

Al-Qaeda are Israeli agents....

The Israelis invaded Lebanon and that's why the soldiers were attacked and kidnapped....

The Israelis control world governments and banks and all the money and power...

Do you see a pattern here?

"Here's a news flash: Linux can be secure, but it by no means is always secure. A default installation of most of the common distributions will result in a hacked system in practically no time. Overworked or inexperienced admins don't install patches in a timely manner, if at all. They leave vulnerable services running when they're not needed. They use weak passwords or fail to change them regularly. The list goes on and on."

i was talking malware not vulnerabilities or bad Admin eh?

//You've been answered more than once and refuse to acknowledge it.

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 12:21 AM//

I don't equate dodges with answers. Sorry if that's what you're used to. Homie don't play this shit.

Body found in stairwell

(Coney Island-WABC, July 23, 2006) - Police have few clues in the mysterious murder of a woman in Brooklyn

The victim's body was discovered in a stairwell on the 10th floor of a building on Surf Avenue in Coney Island. Authorities say the woman suffered blunt trauma to her head.

There are no suspects in the murder. The victim's identity has not been released.

Also last week I performed my first wedding ceremony, and spent quite a bit of time preparing for it.

What are you doing to keep cool, chubby? I envision you running through the neighbor's sprinklers, or setting up a slip and slide in your side yard.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle at July 24, 2006 12:19 AM

I have a top floor apartment that faces east...it was 90 in here before 9 am.

there isn't much I can do except open the windows and sit infront of a fan.

I envy your cool concrete basement coolness.

I'd lay one the bare concrete naked if I could.

No wonder I never get invited anywhere.

>>tact is kinda a new thing for me ;)

Posted by: Ç????ÿ?ß???å???? at July 24, 2006 12:24 AM

oh I didn't say I had tact. I would just tell you if you bothered me, is all. I know you are a decent guy, and would listen to me if I had something to say. That's the first thing. The second thing is I would say something because I don't see how I could expect you to read my mind.

If I thought you were a nutcase, I wouldn't bother. But, although we don't always see eye to eye on everything, I still value you enough to be honest with you.

I thought the Miho thing was really cute. And I really love your sense of humor.

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 12:27 AM

I never said that israel has no right to exist

The holocaust may indeed be exagerated considering that the red cross reports attribute most deaths to yellow fever.

Not just the Israelis but to assume that they never do any wrong is insane. Israel has an insane right wing the same as we do.

No other country had any security interests in Iraq aka only Israel was threatened by Iraq...We certainly weren't.

Israel has been caught faking as Al qaeda more than once.

The Israelis did invade Lebanon before any soldiers were captured.

It's not just the Israelis but more those that do control those things.

Do you see a pattern in your denial of facts and mispresenting me? I certainly do.

I can link to everything I've said and all you have is to sit there and call me an antisemite and a racist all the while lying about my position.

You're a lowlife muck.

Do you see a pattern here?

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 12:27 AM

News Consumer is posting stuff from the world weekly news...ya think he thinks thatpaper is legit?

I don't think Nobs believes everything he links, but likes to read a variety of stuff, maybe to keep abreast of what others are thinking?

anyway, I kinda like the blog better when people aren't getting their noses out of joint about stuff.

we all know nobody's pugnacious blogging style, probly best not to tease the guard dog,

and you, Nobs>

STAY!!!

Good boy. settle down,

If you are good we'll spray you with a hose later

>>I'd lay one the bare concrete naked if I could.

No wonder I never get invited anywhere.

Posted by: Ç????ÿ?ß???å???? at July 24, 2006 12:29 AM

===

er...but remind me never to invite you to my basement.

Have you tried going down to the water below Lincoln Park? There's a really great park not too far from the junction called Lowman Beach. There's shade trees and grass... good place to keep cool.

It looks like the trolls were more eager than the regulars to get the blog back online.

I, for one, believe the blog should have a zero tolerance for racism, anti-semitism, etc.

Posted by: ÇħűБъÿ۞ßűБъåřąċħ at July 23, 2006 11:35 PM

I see the chatroom was down for quite a while and you were the last one to post...

thought maybe you snapped and killed everyone.

Posted by: ÇħűБъÿ۞ßűБъåřąċħ at July 24, 2006 12:36 AM

Ummm...my sources on these subjects are quite legit.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle at July 24, 2006 12:32 AM

I think tact is something we generally notice when others have more of it than one's self.

unless, unless ne is a troll or a neo-con

What are you doing to keep cool, chubby? I envision you running through the neighbor's sprinklers, or setting up a slip and slide in your side yard.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle at July 24, 2006 12:19 AM

----------------------------------------------

(Even now, the Bubba is preparing a nearby hillside for the arrival of his eBay-purchased Boeing 707 surplus escape slide.)

Man throws urine in construction protest

NEW YORK, July 23 (UPI) - A tenant at a New York City building is in Housing Court after throwing urine onto construction workers below his apartment, the New York Post reported.

Eric Fuchs, who has been in Housing Court many times for non-payment of rent, allegedly tossed his urine off the 10th floor balcony of his apartment to protest the construction below.

Condo conversion has been underway at 230 Riverside Drive, an elegant building with spectacular views of the Hudson. Recent renovations have made it possible to charge as much as $800,000 for a one-bedroom apartment .

The building was completed in 1930 before the skyrocketing of Manhattan real estate prices. Lately, the dust and noise from construction have generated complaints from many of the rent-control tenants, but Fuchs has definitely taken it the farthest.

"He hates the construction," one building employee said of Fuchs. "He's been battling it for a long time."

After police were called on several urine-dumping incidents, building management filed an injunction in Manhattan Supreme Court to prevent Fuchs from throwing bodily fluids or other objects from his balcony.

(Even now, the Bubba is preparing a nearby hillside for the arrival of his eBay-purchased Boeing 707 surplus escape slide.)

Posted by: Crank Bait at July 24, 2006 12:40 AM

It was a deal! Only Used Once!

//I never said that israel has no right to exist//

You did once about a year ago. I guess you'll only be happy when I go search through the blog to find it. You're going to find out I have a very good memory Nobs. Of course, you could dispell that all and tell me that Israel has a right to extist, but you haven't, and you won't. Will you Nobs? You can type it out. It might cuase you pain for a little while, but in the end won't you be happy to know that you have just acknowledged that all people have a right to exist?

//The holocaust may indeed be exagerated considering that the red cross reports attribute most deaths to yellow fever.//

And here we go....

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 12:43 AM

No muck I didn't...repost it then you lying son of a bitch.

But use it at your caution! it's a bitch to fold up after play!

and muck...I don't like and don't recognize your right to exist...

At no point did I ever wish dissolution on any people...perhaps indiiviiduals like yourself that should step the fuck off my planet but never any "group" of people.

what was it?

93 degrees?

//News Consumer is posting stuff from the world weekly news...ya think he thinks thatpaper is legit?

I don't think Nobs believes everything he links, but likes to read a variety of stuff, maybe to keep abreast of what others are thinking?//

Yeah, ask Nobs about his linking to Louis Farrakhans web site on how it must have been the Jews that carried out 9/11. He was quite adamant about that being a legitimate source for his theory on the subject.

Posted by: ÇħűБъÿ۞ßűБъåřąċħ at July 24, 2006 12:36 AM

Ummm...my sources on these subjects are quite legit.

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 12:38 AM

I wasn't talkin about this discussion particularly.

generally, I stop reading your discussions at the first sign of an insult.

once one of the gets loose, from you or the other guy, it goes down hill real fast.

It is a trigger, of sorts. the insults trigger an angry thing,disrespect, etc...It's normal reaction, I suppose, but I'm hoping to stay away from the anger, you've seen what happens when I am angery (note: see last 2 or three sheets)

//Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 12:43 AM

No muck I didn't...repost it then you lying son of a bitch.

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 12:44 AM
//

You can easily shut me up and get me to say I'm wrong about you with one little answer. Does Israel have the right to exist?

//The holocaust may indeed be exagerated considering that the red cross reports attribute most deaths to yellow fever.//

Do tell. Tell us how many Jews were murdered in the holocuast. You've done it before. Tell me again about the great exaggeration it is.

does Israel have some real assholes running it that are greedy and full of hate?

do most israelis have a balanced view with global perspectives?

better questions, closer to reality muckie...

farakhan?...Nope...legit news services dumbfuck

Suspects `filmed New York atrocities'

There are reports five men suspected of being involved in the attack on the World Trade Centre set up cameras to record the atrocity.

Five Israelis detained for "puzzling behavior" after WTC tragedy

By Yossi Melman

FIVE Israelis who had worked for a moving company based in New Jersey are being held in U.S. prisons for what the Federal Bureau of Investigation has described as "puzzling behavior" following the terror attack on the World Trade Center in New York last Tuesday. The five are expected to be deported sometime soon.

Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?

Millions saw the horrific images of the World Trade Center attacks, and those who saw them won't forget them. But a New Jersey homemaker saw something that morning that prompted an investigation into five young Israelis and their possible connection to Israeli intelligence.

Five men detained as suspected conspirators,/a>

Staff Writer

ABOUT eight hours after terrorists struck Manhattan's tallest skyscrapers, police in Bergen County detained five men who they said were found carrying maps linking them to the blasts.

//Not just the Israelis but to assume that they never do any wrong is insane. Israel has an insane right wing the same as we do.//

I never said they don't have wacko parties within themselves. But you'll never say Hizbollah is a whacko party within Lebanon either, will you?

//No other country had any security interests in Iraq aka only Israel was threatened by Iraq...We certainly weren't.//

Iraq=The Jews did it.

//Israel has been caught faking as Al qaeda more than once.//

Al-Qaeda=Jews. Who was behind 9/11 Nobs? Say it again, you've said it before.

Do tell. Tell us how many Jews were murdered in the holocuast. You've done it before. Tell me again about the great exaggeration it is.

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 12:50 AM

I posted links mucky that questioned the 6 million number mucky including the red cross report of the day...which you discarded out of hand...supposedlyy because the red cross is anti semetic.

official high was 95 today, probably neared 100 in the apartment this morning till I got the draft blowing through.

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 12:53 AM

you're twisting shit muck...

//does Israel have some real assholes running it that are greedy and full of hate?//

They sure do.

//do most israelis have a balanced view with global perspectives?

better questions, closer to reality muckie...

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at July 24, 2006 12:51 AM//

Good questions Jimmy, but not when you're talking to someone who already has a hatred for a whole country.

Well, I'll just leave you boys to your fun/pissing contest.

I'm out~

But use it at your caution! it's a bitch to fold up after play!

Posted by: Willow at July 24, 2006 12:45 AM

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Caption: Airport personnel search for two rare, orange Anaconda's that escaped earlier that day.

I think to equate Jews with Israel is a mistake,

It is very concievable that Israel and the US teamed up to pull off 911.

whay is it so easy to think the neocons did it alone?

you should admit that the Zionists have as much to gain as anyone else.

An al qaeda member

But Adam Pearlmen is his REAL name! Adam is the grandson of the late Carl K. Pearlman; a prominent Jewish urologist in Orange County. Carl was also a member of the board of directors of the Anti-Defamation League, which was caught spying on Americans for Israel in 1993, much as AIPAC has been caught up in the more recent spy scandal.

The Anti-Defamation League's Spy Scandal of 1993

//I posted links mucky that questioned the 6 million number mucky including the red cross report of the day...which you discarded out of hand...supposedlyy because the red cross is anti semetic.

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 12:54 AM
//

Tell me again how many Jews do you think died in the holocaust? Ay one point you were on the verge of denial that it even happened. I was happy to see you quickly change your mind on that stance. So yellow fever killed most of them in those camps....Okay. So how many were killed by the Nazis?

Oh, and you might try to answer that whole does Israel have a right to exist question somewhere in there as well. I know it hurts, but you can do it.

Good questions Jimmy, but not when you're talking to someone who already has a hatred for a whole country.

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 12:55 AM

I don't hate any country fuckface...You're really got to stop putting words into my mouth.

Oh, and you might try to answer that whole does Israel have a right to exist question somewhere in there as well. I know it hurts, but you can do it.

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 12:59 AM

I don't and never have had a problem with israel existing you lying piece of offal...

I don't know why you think that it's kosher to stand here and lie your ass off without backing your shit up and then questioning me like you're the lord high inquisitor...

you're just a troll muck...that's all you are.

Ask Nobs on this as well...The whole world is saying, even Muslim governments, that Hizbollah went into Lebanon and took the soldiers. Will Nobs believe that? No. It must have been the Jews who invaded. He found three whole links from that day from some obscure news sources, but that was all it took to convince him. No matter what the rest of the world, or even Hezzbollah for that matter, have to say.

//that Hizbollah went into Lebanon//

Should've been "went into Israel"...

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 01:03 AM

back your shit up...link it.

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 12:51 AM

They actually talk about those guys in this ...Unconstitutional: The War On Our Civil Liberties

They were detained and found not to to be involved in any way with 9/11. Watch it yourself .. ya don't need to take my word for it.

Caption: Airport personnel search for two rare, orange Anaconda's that escaped earlier that day.

Posted by: Crank Bait at July 24, 2006 12:57 AM

Hum ...[Wil scratches head .. wonders.. Is that where they came up with the idea for "Snakes on a Plane"???]

"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]

// don't and never have had a problem with israel existing you lying piece of offal...//

So you do acknowledge their right to exist? If so, I'll back off and say I am wrong then. And take back every nasty thing I've said about you. So, you are ackowledging they have a right to exist then?

They were detained and found not to to be involved in any way with 9/11. Watch it yourself .. ya don't need to take my word for it.

Posted by: Willow at July 24, 2006 01:05 AM

how did they know to set up the cameras that day?

So you do acknowledge their right to exist? If so, I'll back off and say I am wrong then. And take back every nasty thing I've said about you. So, you are ackowledging they have a right to exist then?

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 01:07 AM

How about you just kill yourself instead?

//you're just a troll muck...that's all you are.

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 01:02 AM
//

Why, becuase I disagree with "you"? This isn't the Nobs blog, you have your own personal little blog you can call that. Why are you so sensitive to call everyone who might disagree with you on something a troll? Weren't you the one who made the famous statement over here on herding cats?

Tell us how many Jews were murdered in the holocuast. You've done it before.

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 12:50 AM

___________

There's Noah bizness like Shoah bizness.

lotta BS about the Iz/leb blowup, this seems to be the straight shot on what happened recently:

"The coup attempt that started a war: Israel’s invasion of Lebanon, its causes and consequences. By Dr. Abbas Bakhtiar 16 July 2006 Posted: 20-07-2006 , 12:39 GMT

...On June 8, the Israeli army assassinated the recently appointed Palestinian head of the security forces of the Interior Ministry, Jamal Abu Samhadana, and three others. On June 13, an Israeli plane fired a missile into a busy Gaza City street, killing 11 people, including two children and two medics. On June 20, the Israeli army killed three Palestinian children and injured 15 others in Gaza with a missile attack. On June 21, the Israelis killed a 35-year old pregnant woman, her brother, and injured 11 others, including 6 children. Then came the Israeli capture of two Palestinians.

The next day (June 25) militants raided the Israeli army post at Kerem Shalom near Gaza and captured an Israeli soldier. They demanded the release of Palestinian women and children in Israeli jails in exchange for the Israeli soldier. Israel refused to negotiate and responded with an overwhelming show of force, destroying bridges, electric power generators, and generally, heavily damaging the civilian infrastructure of Gaza. Later the army invaded Gaza and cut it into half.

Now the stage was set for a Palestinian coup. Already by July 7th the news media were reporting of the Israel’s moves to remove Hamas by force. According to Israeli military analysts the move into Gaza and the arrest of Hamas legislators were the first step in an Israeli plan to induce the collapse of the Palestinian government. Among those arrested were eight members of Hamas' 23-member Cabinet and 20 of the 72 Hamas members of the 132-seat parliament.

... A later report by Jerusalem Post confirmed the cooperation of Mahmoud Abbas with the Israelis in staging a coup. According to Jerusalem Post, on Tuesday 12th July, Mahmoud Abbas had called an emergency meeting of dozens of top Fatah officials to discuss the taking over of the government. The meeting was called in the wake of Israel's military strikes in the Gaza Strip and the massive c

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006

Mucky...

Never try to teach a pig to sing.

It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

//So you do acknowledge their right to exist? If so, I'll back off and say I am wrong then. And take back every nasty thing I've said about you. So, you are ackowledging they have a right to exist then?

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 01:07 AM

How about you just kill yourself instead?

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 01:10 AM
//

Yeah, classic Nobs. Type it. You can do it! I'm rooting for you Nobs!

Ihear it was 114º today in Hillboro OR.

I think that is down in waitng for cicero's neighborhood?

So I'm not going to complain too much about the heat.

Israel 'would accept' peace force

Israel has said it is prepared to accept a European peacekeeping force in southern Lebanon providing it is robust and has a strong mandate.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert made the announcement after his government met envoys from Germany, France and the UK.

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice arrives on Monday for talks with Israeli leaders.

She said there was an "urgent" need for a ceasefire but that it was also vital that any such arrangement would last.

"It is very important to establish conditions under which a ceasefire can take place," she told reporters as she flew from Washington.

"It is important to have conditions that will make it also sustainable."

if the majority report radio show folds

why does sam want to retain this blog

?

------Gaza Strip and the massive crackdown on Hamas. Mahmoud Abbas, according to some of the participants, briefed them on the latest political and security developments and asked them to be prepared for taking over the power. “At the meeting, Abbas made it clear that Fatah would soon "resume its role as the defender of the Palestinian national interests" to fill the vacuum created by the Israeli crackdown on the Hamas government and its representatives. When Abbas talks about the "next phase," he is clearly referring to the post-Hamas era. He and his aides are certain that the time is ripe to overthrow the Hamas regime under the pretext that its presence in power is harmful to the Palestinians' national interests. With eight of its members imprisoned in Israel and the rest in hiding, the six- month-old Hamas government of Ismail Haniyeh has effectively been paralyzed”

http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/Lebanon/201005

Nasrallah defiant

Israeli air strikes killed at least eight people in Lebanon on Sunday while rocket attacks on Israel by the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah killed two people.

A senior United Nations envoy, Jan Egeland, has strongly condemned Israel's bombing of Beirut.

An Italian UN military observer was wounded during fighting between Israeli troops and Hezbollah inside Lebanon.

At least 362 Lebanese, many of them civilians, and 37 Israelis - about half of them civilians - have been killed since the violence erupted 13 days ago.

The crisis was triggered by the capture of two Israeli soldiers on 12 July by Hezbollah which is demanding a prisoner exchange with Israel. The Israelis withdrew from south Lebanon in 2000.

Israel has since vowed to destroy the group's ability to launch rockets at its territory.

But Hezbollah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah said an Israeli invasion of southern Lebanon would not succeed.

"Any Israeli incursion will not have political results unless it achieves any of the announced goals, most importantly to stop the bombardment of Zionist settlements," he told As-Safir newspaper.

"I assure you that this will goal will not be achieved."

Do penitentiaries in Washington have air-conditioning?

Oh Fuck! Maybe it wasn't .. Shit! I watched that and then the documentary "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" on Cinemax on the same night.

It might have been there that they talked about those guys .. lemme see if I can find a video of that. It is a very good documentary. Talks about the fact a lot of the people who died at the WTC were Jewish ..

//Posted by: Sunshine Jim at July 24, 2006 01:13 AM//

Jimmy, if this was all about Gaza that would be a different story, and I'm sure the rest of the world would be giving world wide condemnation. Hizbollah has nothing to do with Gaza, or Sunni Muslims for that matter.

Crucial talks to open on Kosovo

Formal talks to decide the future status of Kosovo begin in Vienna on Monday involving political leaders from Serbia and Kosovo itself.

Kosovo, technically still part of Serbia, has been run by the international community since the end of the war in 1999.

These are the most important talks over its future since Nato bombing forced the Serb army out in 1999.

They are being brokered by United Nations Special Envoy Martti Ahtisaari.

The prime ministers and presidents of Serbia and Kosovo will be present - the first time such high-level delegations have met since the conflict.

Both sides are expected to set out their future visions of the province and agree on a timetable for future negotiations.

Hey Willow,

There's a statue across the Hudson in Jersey City that has a nice view of the west side of lower Manhattan. That's where all those photo's were taken of the WTC on 9/11. There are bencehs and tables where people can sit and take in the view.

Out of frame to the right (south) are Liberty Island & Ellis Island. Farther south is Staten Island and the Verrazanno Bridge. Brooklyn is on the other side of Manhattan across the east river. Further north on the east side is Queens. The Bronx is to the north just above Manhattan.

Katyn Massacre Memorial Jersey City

THE TWO ISRAELI SOLDIERS WERE CAPTURED IN LEBANON

http://english.bna.bh/?ID=47348

http://fr.news.yahoo.com/12072006/202/liban-le-hezbollah-capture-deux-soldats-israeliens-sept-autres-tues.html

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/article_1180404.php/Hezbollah_back_in_the_spotlight_after_capturing_soldiers

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HG15Ak02.html

http://www.voltairenet.org/article142056.html

well when we're not bickering,

we do have some dam fine bloggies,

thats why.

Caption: Airport personnel search for two rare, orange Anaconda's that escaped earlier that day.

Posted by: Crank Bait at July 24, 2006 12:57 AM

____________

Airline officials were quoted as saying: "Fortunately our airplanes have a fully stocked larder of rats, so we feel confident it's just a matter of time before we can stop sending in the search parties."

if the majority report radio show folds

why does sam want to retain this blog?

Posted by: air-ono at July 24, 2006 01:15 AM

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There's Noah bizness like Shoah bizness.

Posted by: Simon Wiesenthal at July 24, 2006 01:11 AM

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Next question?

well when we're not bickering,....

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at July 24, 2006 01:17 AM

and when might that be?

Yeah, classic Nobs. Type it. You can do it! I'm rooting for you Nobs!

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 01:13 AM

Look...You lied...You will lie again...I do not like you...I was serious is my recommendation.

Hum ...[Wil scratches head .. wonders.. Is that where they came up with the idea for "Snakes on a Plane"???]

Posted by: Willow at July 24, 2006 01:06 AM

the new FFA rflight regulations state I have to wear jockey shorts so that my trouser snake doen't get loose and startle the other passengers.

passengers like Samuel Jackson

well,

i'm out til things get a bit more pleasant here.

good luck! love ya all

one strange video...

//Next question?//

why does sam want to retain this blog

?

Next question?

Posted by: Crank Bait at July 24, 2006 01:19 AM

____________

I considered an islands-style nickname for Simon "Shoah Me the Money" Wiesenthal, but then declined.

I reckoned I had pushed bad taste about as far's it was improper for one post.

does this blog exist for us

?

If Sam leaves AAR I think it will just be a matter of time before this place is shut down.

He'll find new employment and have no reason to fart around with this.

Ihear it was 114� today in Hillboro OR.

I think that is down in waitng for cicero's neighborhood?

So I'm not going to complain too much about the heat.

Posted by: �ħűБъ�۞�űБъ�řąċħ at July 24, 2006 01:14 AM

*melting*

Yeah, that's where I live. Too hot to blog, just lurking by once in a while.

Gonna post the tunes I left at Shell's alt blog all at once, but I won't post anything for a while after, so that way you have time for 'em.

;)

Hope it's cooler in your neck of the woods, man.

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Birdland, Manhattan Transfer

Lullaby Of Birdland, Ella Fitzgerald

Birdland, Weather Report

Unchained Melody, The Righteous Brothers

Smoke Gets In Your Eyes, The Platters

Return To Pooh Corner, Kenny Loggins

Cheek To Cheek, Ella Fitzgerald (I think)

I Feel You (Live), Depeche Mode

to tell the truth, Hezbollah's offer to drive the Israelis to the sea doesn't seem like such a bad thing on a hot day like today.

I wish someone woulda drove me to the beach today...

;P

The whole world says that Israel is in the right?

Middle East Crisis: Who backs an immediate ceasefire?

how did they know to set up the cameras that day?

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 01:08 AM

It was The Protocols of The Edlers of Zion" by Mark Levin .. sorry. Watched them within hours of each other.

As far I as remember .. the woman who called it in said they were celebrating .. or 'animated' jumping up and down on the roof of a van .. the cops came and took them away (this is the 5 young Jewish men I am talking about) and there wasn't any mention of cameras that I remember in the documentary. They were detained and then released and I believe sent back to Israel.

Lemme see if it is on On Demand for Cinemax .. if it is .. I can record it for you so you can see it. It was very interesting .. it also talked about the rise in the publication of the Protocols in Arab nations since 9/11. Apparently the popular belief over there is it was Israel who did it and Osama Bin Laden was innocent. Of course, that leads one to wonder if Israel was also responsible for the Embassy bombing and also the USS Cole attack?? (In case you are wondering .. I think not.)

See Muck .. this is why my grandmother's family fled Germany and converted to the Catholic faith when they got to America and never mentioned the Jewish backround until I dug it up when I researched her family tree .. to save me from being accused of being involved in 9/11. Now I am just complicit in the molestation of little boys ...

Posted by: Willow at July 24, 2006 01:26 AM

first I wouldn't put much stock in that elders of zion shit...second they left a lot out of the video obviously...have you considered reading any of the above posted links?

//The Protocols of The Edlers of Zion" by Mark Levin//

that was a great well-balanced documentary

Posted by: dr (spreading bad taste out over many posts) at July 24, 2006 01:23 AM

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dr's spread: I Can't Believe It's Not Better.

It's not on from 2:50 AM to 4:30 tonight/this morning on ThrillerMax (why I don't know but I am just happy I found it!!) .. . I can grab a tape and record it for you if you wanna see it... Just let me know.

does this blog exist for us

?

Posted by: air-ono at July 24, 2006 01:24 AM

It's probably more like an advertising marketing survey the station uses to calculate audience size.

>>She said there was an "urgent" need for a ceasefire but that it was also vital that any such arrangement would last.

>>"It is very important to establish conditions under which a ceasefire can take place," she told reporters as she flew from Washington.

>>"It is important to have conditions that will make it also sustainable."

Funny how the our diplomacy lacked direction in all of this mess...until the Saudis told GW qhat to do...

Israeli crimes against humanity: Gruesome images of charred and mutilated bodies following Israeli air strikes

first I wouldn't put much stock in that elders of zion shit...second they left a lot out of the video obviously...have you considered reading any of the above posted links?

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 01:27 AM

Mark Levin did it .. He's Jewish. I think I can trust him .. he's a homie after all. ; )

__________________________________________________________________

that was a great well-balanced documentary

Posted by: air-ono at July 24, 2006 01:28 AM

I really liked it. I thought Mark Levin was very funny and did a great job with what was no doubt a very off-putting subject for him as a Jewish person.

Letter to Somalia

"Sincerely hoping you don't let me down"

if the majority report radio show folds

why does sam want to retain this blog?

Posted by: air-ono at July 24, 2006 01:15 AM

it is cheaper than hiring Crank as a joke writer...

British anger at terror celebration

The commemoration of Israeli bombings that killing 92 people has caused offence

Israel celebrates the act of terror carried out against the British (and initially blamed on Arabs).

The British are understandably annoyed.

Britain bakes in a series of heatwaves, as corporate executives in the water industry pray for more of the same

Water is life. It is also money. Amid last week’s soaring temperatures, water also emerged from the shadows of other popular drinks to become one of the fastest growing commercial “brands” in the world. It may fall free from the heavens, but the sale of H2O is making people rich.

As temperatures nudged up to the 37C mark last week, executives behind companies selling bottle water metaphorically rubbed their hands in glee.

“For every degree the temperature rises above 14C, sales of water increase by 5.2 per cent,” said Richard Lamming, of the British Soft Drinks Association. “This means that at 28C sales of water double.”

He is not alone in praying for continued sunshine. Companies selling bottled water last week reported the biggest sales increase in the history of the industry – with 26 million bottles sold last week alone, a rise of 80 per cent on the same week last year.

I really liked it. I thought Mark Levin was very funny and did a great job with what was no doubt a very off-putting subject for him as a Jewish person.

Posted by: Willow at July 24, 2006 01:33 AM

The orignal source "the protocols" is a fabrication...

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at July 24, 2006 01:30 AM

THIS SHITS ME

all this 2nd guessing

no straight answers

(phoey)

It's not on from 2:50 AM to 4:30 tonight/this morning on ThrillerMax (why I don't know but I am just happy I found it!!) .. . I can grab a tape and record it for you if you wanna see it... Just let me know.

Posted by: Willow at July 24, 2006 01:30 AM

Oy! Proof-reading is apparently a lost art for me!

It's not on On Demand ... HOWEVER .. it is on from 2:50 AM to 4:30 AM tonight ... : /

dr's spread: I Can't Believe It's Not Better.

Posted by: Crank Bait at July 24, 2006 01:29 AM

_____________

Are you questioning the right to exist of my hot-cross puns, sir?

Are you saying they, like short people, got no reason to live?

//Look...You lied...You will lie again...I do not like you...I was serious is my recommendation.

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 01:20 AM
//

Do you hate me now? O RLY? Does it kill you that much to say Israel has the right to exist? So let's hate it. How many Jews do you think died by the Nazis during the exaggerated holocaust? You've done it before, you can do it again.

Eleven per cent of all bottled water sold in the UK is "other purified water", otherwise known as "table water". This is effectively reprocessed tap water. The most notorious example of this was the failed attempt by Coca-Cola to market its Dasani brand of water. Once it became publicly know that the water was glorified tap water, sales dropped and the company quietly dropped the brand. Ms Jacobius admits that there are still restaurants that try to pass it off as natural mineral water and charge their customers a premium for it.

Manufacturers and retailers refuse to disclose the real costs of producing bottled water or their profit margins, but figures provided to The Independent on Sunday by Euromonitor show how profitable the business has become. In 2005, the total manufacturers sold their product for was £1.06bn. Retailers sold that product on to the public for £1.9bn - almost double what they paid for it.

Yet the millions of Britons buying bottled water may be best off sticking with tap water, according to industry commentators. Mary Carmichael, brand news editor at The Grocer magazine, said: "You are paying for packaging and image. The companies have done a very good job in giving an image to brands. It is still H2O at the end of the day."

However, data from market analyst Mintel shows that the proportion of people drinking bottled water increased from just over a third in 2000 to more than half in 2004. Since 1997, the average yearly spend per person on bottled water has more than doubled to £31.90.

Posted by: ÇħűБъÿ۞ßűБъåřąċħ at July 24, 2006 01:33 AM

i'm serious

no cutsey-poo answers, please

The orignal source "the protocols" is a fabrication...

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 01:35 AM

Ya .. trust me .. I know. That and the pogrommes drove my Grandmother's family from Germany in the late 1800's! They came to America - converted to Catholicism and never looked back.

Note that after this incedent the propaganda campaign of "al qaeda in palestine" stopped dead...

Palestinians arrest al-Qaeda 'poseurs'
December 8 2002

Palestinian security forces have arrested a group of Palestinians for collaborating with Israel and posing as operatives of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terrorist network, a senior official said yesterday.

The arrests come two days after Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon charged al-Qaeda militants were operating in Gaza and in Lebanon.

"The Palestinian Authority arrested a group of collaborators who confessed they were working for Israel, posing as al-Qaeda operatives in the Palestinian territories," said the official, on condition of anonymity.

He said the alleged collaborators sought to "discredit the Palestinian people, justify every Israeli crime and provide reasons to carry out a new (military) aggression in the Gaza Strip."

>>it is cheaper than hiring Crank as a joke writer...

What is minimum wage down ther in MO, Crankie?

well, that doesn't matter since Olld man Seder pays piece work. 10¢ a joke!

>> 10¢ a joke!

oh, crap.

now dr's going to expect a raise!

[one for star-struck garofalo-heads]

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Stars Are Just Like Us!

Famous people caught in the act of being regular Joes

["LOL SUNDAY!" continues]

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Country Songs for the Homeless

Including unforgettable hits like: "The Voices in My Head Told Me You've Been Cheatin'"

no cutsey-poo answers, please

Posted by: air-ono at July 24, 2006 01:37 AM

well, I must be on the wrong blog, then...

Posted by: ÇħűБъÿ۞ßűБъåřąċħ at July 24, 2006 01:43 AM

and no "SNARKS"

Ya .. trust me .. I know. That and the pogrommes drove my Grandmother's family from Germany in the late 1800's! They came to America - converted to Catholicism and never looked back.

Posted by: Willow at July 24, 2006 01:37 AM

What's more of an issue is that Israel is controlled by the same right wing mentality that we are controlled by...Matter of fact Israel is what this country will become if the right wing maintains power in this country...They feed their citizens a diet of fear and hatred from cradle to grave...

If I say that the US is doing wrong I'm a hater of americans...right?

If I say that Israel is doing wrong then I want the jews eradicated...wtf is with that?

//If I say that Israel is doing wrong then I want the jews eradicated...wtf is with that?

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 01:45 AM
//

So, how many Jews died in the exaggerated holocuast Nobs?

I don't know about that jest.com website.

there's just something about it...

how do I know there news is fully veted?

So, how many Jews died in the exaggerated holocuast Nobs?

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 01:47 AM

Look it up ya freak.

i'm too depressed to jest, chubbs

If I say that the US is doing wrong I'm a hater of americans...right?

If I say that Israel is doing wrong then I want the jews eradicated...wtf is with that?

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 01:45 AM

pretty much more of the same.

watching meet the press this morning...who was it that said `we're all Isrealis now?"

He was a neocon, a W cabinet member maybe?

How many Romani died in the holocaust muck and why don't you give a shit about them?

Josh Bolten, chief of staff

Rural migrant worker sets himself on fire on Tiananmen Square

Sunday, July 23 2006 @ 09:13 AM PDT

Contributed by: WorkerFreedom

Asia

A rural migrant worker set himself on fire on Tiananmen Square in Beijing on 20 July reportedly due to unpaid wages.

Wang Cong'an, a 53-year-old native of Jiangsu province in eastern China, doused himself in gasoline and set himself ablaze in the middle of this popular tourist destination at 8:44 AM on Thursday, according to the Agence France-presse which quoted a faxed statement from the local police.

...

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Paramilitary attacks University of Oaxaca

Radio Universidad de Oaxaca reports that a strongly armed paramilitary commando tonight tried to take radio facilities which covers the ongoing popular mobilizations in Oaxaca. The aggression was repelled and paramilitaries fled while shooting with intend to kill.

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Katyn Massacre Memorial Jersey City

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at July 24, 2006 01:17 AM

(Sorry for the horrifying delay!)

That's an amazing Scuplture - beautiful(in terms of it's precision of getting right to the heart of the feeling that day) and horrifying all at the same time.

I cannot imagine what it was like to see it in person that day, either across in New Jersey, on Staten Island, from Brooklyn or in the heart of Lower Manhattan. I was screaming in my living room .. I can only imagine what it was like occuring there in front of your eyes.

It breaks my heart to this day .. it really does. I lost one very close friend and alot of people I dealt with on a daily basis. (Might not seems like much - feeligs through non-physical contact .. but I feel he same way about you guys.) I knew about their families, births, deaths, about their marriages, good and bad, new cars they bought, new houses, who lived in Manhattan .. who had kids and lived in Brooklyn or in New Jersey. And watching them die on TV was horrifying enough. I cannot imagine I could have lived with actually seeing, hearing and smelling it in person. Frankly, I would have died from the memory after time. I find at times I can't even handle what little I saw on TV.

You are an amazing person, NC. God bless you for what you did down there.

A FACTUAL APPRAISAL OF THE "HOLOCAUST" BY THE RED CROSS.

No Evidence Of Genocide

One of the most important aspects of the Red Cross Report is that it clarifies the true cause of those deaths that undoubtedly occurred in the camps toward the end of the war. Says the Report: "In the chaotic condition of Germany after the invasion during the final months of the war, the camps received no food supplies at all and starvation claimed an increasing number of victims. Itself alarmed by this situation, the German Government at last informed the ICRC on February 1st, 1945 ... In March 1945, discussions between the President of the ICRC and General of the S.S. Kaltenbrunner gave even more decisive results. Relief could henceforth be distributed by the ICRC, and one delegate was authorised to stay in each camp ..." (Vol. III, p. 83).
Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire situation as far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating that food supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied bombing of German transportation, and in the interests of interned Jews they had protested on March 15th, 1944 against "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies" (Inter Arma Caritas, p. 78). By October 2nd, 1944, the ICRC warned the German Foreign Office of the impending collapse of the German transportation system, declaring that starvation conditions for people throughout Germany were becoming inevitable.

In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it is important to stress that the delegates of the International Red Cross found no evidence whatever at the camps in Axis occupied Europe of a deliberate policy to exterminate the Jews. In all its 1,600 pages the Report does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admits that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but its complete silence on the subject of planned extermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend. Like the Vatican representatives with whom they worked, the Red Cross found itself unable to indulge in the irresponsible charges of genocide which had become the order of the day. So far as the genuine mortality rate is concerned, the Report points out that most of the Jewish doctors from the camps were being used to combat typhus on the eastern front, so that they were unavailable when the typhus epidemics of 1945 broke out in the camps (Vol. I, p. 204 ff) - Incidentally, it is frequently claimed that mass executions were carried out in gas chambers cunningly disguised as shower facilities. Again the Report makes nonsense of this allegation. "Not only the washing places, but installations for baths, showers and laundry were inspected by the delegates. They had often to take action to have fixtures made less primitive, and to get them repaired or enlarged" (Vol. III, p. 594).

MR. BOLTEN: The view of the president is that Israel has a right to defend itself, and that, in support of that, the administration needs to support U.N. Security Council Resolution 1559, which says that the democratically-elected government of Lebanon should control its entire territory, and Hezbollah should release its control, particularly of, of southern Lebanon. So the administration will support the efforts to put that Security Council resolution firmly in place.

MR. RUSSERT: But my question is does the president agree with the Israeli ambassador that Hezbollah should be totally eliminated?

MR. BOLTEN: It would be great if Hezbollah were, were completely gone, but the important part right now is that Hezbollah be put into a situation where they can no longer effectively threaten Lebanon’s southern neighbor, Israel.

MR. RUSSERT: But isn’t the United States encouraging Israel to eliminate Hezbollah? Have we not sent them accelerated, precision munitions and bunker, bunker-buster bombs?

MR. BOLTEN: We’ve got a long-standing military and diplomatic close alliance with Israel, so there shouldn’t be any surprise that the, the U.S. government is providing munitions to them. But...

MR. RUSSERT: But we’re accelerating the delivery.

MR. BOLTEN: I believe that’s correct, that the, the administration—more in the ordinary course of things, as the, as the Israelis have requested munitions—is providing them. But that’s, that’s the nature of the relationship. Remember, stepping back here, this crisis was created by a terrorist attack, ongoing now, by Hezbollah against the sovereign territory of Israel. We’re going to help our ally defend itself.

How can I look it up, when it's all a Jewish plot and exaggeration to you, no matter what the numbers say. I want to see your source and your numbers, FREAK.

You parrot a group I will not mention, but you sure do sound like. So how many died in the exaggerated holocuast Nobs?

MR. RUSSERT: Lawrence Kaplan in The New Republic describes this as a proxy war. And let me read to you his thoughts. “America’s proxy war. The administration views the conflict between Israel and Hezbollah as a classic case of great-power brinkmanship—in this case, pitting the United States against Iran. ... The Bush team has spent many more hours encouraging Israel than constraining it. The administration, after all, has no more use for Hezbollah than Israel. ... The administration views [Hezbollah] as a crucial proxy for Iran.” Is this a proxy war?

MR. BOLTEN: I don’t think so. This is, this is a situation in which Israel is, is trying, I believe, to live at peace with its neighbors to, to protect its own territory and citizens, and the United States is going to support them in that. This is not, this is not a place to fight a proxy war against Iran, although Iran bears a substantial burden of responsibility for the, the despicable behavior of Hezbollah and needs to be held to account.

MR. RUSSERT: But it is day 12, the United States has not called for a cease-fire, the United States has accelerated munitions to Israel. Haven’t we given Israel a green light to go in there and destroy Hezbollah?

A VAST auditorium being used to house emergency aid in Beirut lay empty last night as relief agencies criticised Britain and other Western countries for their lame response to Lebanon’s worsening refugee crisis.
Lebanese officials told The Times yesterday they expected to have to cope with 1.2 million displaced people — a third of the country’s population — as thousands more families fled their homes at the weekend.

The United Nations will make an urgent appeal today after a warning by Jan Egeland, the UN’s emergency relief coordinator, that Lebanon needed $100 million immediately to avoid “a humanitarian catastrophe”.

Fuel and emergency stockpiles of medicine are running low across the country.

At Beirut harbour, frustrated aid workers watched a flotilla of warships and chartered ferries sail in empty to pick up more stranded foreigners, lamenting that these ships could have carried drugs, blankets, tents and generators.

An Italian warship, the San Giorgio, delivered two ambulances, water purifying kits, protein biscuits and other supplies, and a French-chartered ferry Nato ration packs, but both still had acres of unused space on board.

Alexandre Giraud, who works for the French charity Première Urgence, said: “It’s a shame these huge ships come in so lightly loaded. Aid is very, very slow and the coordination on the ground here is a tremendous problem.”

Yesterday Israel rejected an ambitious plan sponsored by the UN to move thousands of tonnes of aid using three sea routes to the ports of Sidon, Tripoli and Beirut, a safe road corridor stretching from Syria in the north to Lebanon’s southern border with Israel, and an air bridge.

Charities are finding it hard to hire truck drivers to carry the aid as they are scared that their convoys will be targeted by Israeli aircraft. The first Red Cross convoy to head to stricken towns in southern Lebanon at the weekend said that it had been fired upon.

Among those waiting on the dockside for the first trickle of aid to arrive was General Yahyeh Raad, the head of Lebanon’s Relief High Commission. “I don’t think the world has realised we need a lot of help and we need it now,” he said. “We ha

The Spanish Anarchists, Through A Participatory Lens. by Dave Markland

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But what were these collectives and self-managed factories actually like? How was work organised and carried out? How was consumption organised? More to the point: What can the experiences of the Spanish comrades teach us about goals, vision, tactics and strategies? That is, before we adopt pages from the anarchist play book, we would do well to critically examine the contexts and outcomes of those plays.

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The Challenge of Mondragon by George Benello

In the Beginning . . . .

The Basque region of Spain has, in recent years, seen the rise of a system of cooperatives that is unparalleled in its dynamism, growth, and economic impact on a region. The system, which spreads throughout the surrounding Basque region, is named after Mondragon, a town in the mountains of Guipuzkoa Province near Bilbao, the place where the first cooperatives started. Since its start over thirty years ago, it has gained an international reputation, with similar models now being developed in England, Wales, and the United States. While its explicit connections to the anarchist tradition are unclear, the Mondragon system is an example of liberatory organization which, like its predecessors in the Spanish Civil War, has achieved success on a scale unequaled in any other part of the world.

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A FACTUAL APPRAISAL OF THE "HOLOCAUST" BY THE RED CROSS.
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No Evidence Of Genocide [This article has status - HIDDEN - due to it's racist and anti-semetic content - Nazis fuck off! - TBIMC]

The Jews And The Concentration Camps:
A Factual Appraisal By The Red Cross.
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Do any of you actually read the shit this man posts? Or do you all just take what he says as gospel?

i'm serious

no cutsey-poo answers, please

Posted by: air-ono at July 24, 2006 01:37 AM

For the same reason I still cry about people I never met in person who died. People get under your skin .. you tend to want to keep communications open with them. You can't tell me that you don't think Sam doesn't read "The Days of Our Majority Report Lives"!!

We serialize this puppy .. we are gonna make "Desperate Housewives" look like puppet theatre! (Sorry ..I have to give you a cutesy answewr .. I am on the verge of serious assed tears here!)

At an entertainment complex, built next to the city’s docks, wealthy businessmen gathered with Lebanese ministers yesterday to try to speed up the relief operation. In the cavernous hall three in the Beirut Exhibition and Leisure Centre, a few dozen pallets of food and medical aid lay in one small corner, a testament to how little help Lebanon has received.

Yesterday Mr Egeland visited a makeshift refugee camp in Sanayeh Gardens, one of Beirut’s biggest parks, and found that the conditions for the 1,200-plus people forced to sleep outside were squalid.

Many of the families complained that his 20-minute visit did little to ease their immediate suffering.

Hala Salloub, 21, sat on a pile of mattresses in the fierce sunshine shaking her head in despair as her two young children complained of feeling unwell in the scorching heat.

“I don’t know where my husband is,” she said. “He went to collect some more of our family. We left a message we were here so we don’t want to leave before he finds us, but it’s miserable.”
Mrs Salloub felt that Mr Egeland’s appearance would do nothing to ease her plight. The dozens of families crammed alongside her on the parched grass were similarly unimpressed by the aid effort.

The situation has become so desperate that even long-established Palestinian refugee camps are taking in people made homeless by the attacks.

Mr Egeland also visited Dahiyeh, a residential district and reported Hezbollah stronghold, south of Beirut’s city centre, and was stunned by the scale of destruction. The area had been pummelled by six more missile strikes in the first daylight attacks on the capital for several days.

Further south, Abdul-Rahman al-Bizri, the mayor of Sidon, said nothing had reached the city. “We have had no supplies — not from the rest of Lebanon, nor from other nations,” he said. “We are on our own.”

I'm not done with you yet...

MR. BOLTEN: Here’s what we said to Israel, is that we support Israel’s right to defend itself. We’ve also encouraged the Israelis to exercise the most extreme caution possible under the circumstances to minimize civilian casualties and damage to civilian infrastructure. And we’ve also tried to do everything we can to ameliorate the humanitarian crisis that your reporter was talking about at the top of the, at the top of the broadcast. That’s what Secretary Rice is going to be talking about. All of, all of those things, ameliorating the humanitarian crisis, getting a sustainable cease-fire, and then hopefully we can turn promptly to efforts—international efforts in assisting Lebanon with its reconstruction.

MR. RUSSERT: Ken Mehlman, who ran President Bush’s re-election effort in 2004, now chairman of the Republican Party, gave a speech on Tuesday to the Christians United for Israel. And this is what Mr. Mehlman said, “We stand for Israel because their war is our war too. ... Today we are all Israelis.” Does the president believe that this is our war?

MR. BOLTEN: The president believes that, that all freedom-loving people deserve support. That’s in Israel, in Iraq, everywhere around the world. And that all those who will stand with us to reject terror and support freedom deserve our, our support. And that’s, that’s our effort in the, in the Middle East. That’s our effort in Iraq and that’s our effort around the world.

LONDON - Iraq has completed repairs to one of two sabotaged oil pipelines that export crude from its northern fields to Turkey and aims to restart the flow this week, Iraq’s oil minister said on Sunday.

“We completed the repairs today,” Oil Minister Hussain al-Shahristani told Reuters in London. “We hope to restart it very soon. This week.”

Shahristani is trying to restore Iraq’s dilapidated oil industry, the country’s main source of the hard currency needed to rebuild its economy.

The industry needs billions of dollars of investment to overhaul infrastructure and boost output after years of sanctions, war and mismanagement.

Iraq hopes to boost exports from the giant Kirkuk oilfields in the northern part of the country further next month when it will have completed repairs on the second parallel pipeline, Shahristani said.

The pipelines to Kirkuk have been mostly unusable due to sabotage since the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003.

Both pipelines were fractured in the most recent attack on July 9. The attacks forced Iraq to halt sales of Kirkuk crude from Turkey.

In the weeks before that attack, Iraq had sold 8.5 million barrels of Kirkuk crude from Ceyhan, boosting total exports to match their highest levels since October 2004 in June at 1.8 million barrels per day.

Iraq has tried to boost security along the line by placing it in the protection of the army. Prior to that, security was in the hands of a special dedicated force and attacks were frequent.

When the line is down, the country relies exclusively on exports of around 1.5 million barrels per day from its southern Basra terminal.

Iraq’s daily oil output is currently 2.5 million barrels per day, but it is aiming to boost production to 2.9 million by the year end and may even reach 3 million, Shahristani said.

“We aim for 2.9 million (barrels per day), and with a little bit of luck maybe we can reach 3 million,” he said.

The oil minister also said he was confident that a new hydrocarbon law that will allow foreign investment to flow into the industry will be passed by the end of the year.

“I can’t say exactly when it will pass bec

Do any of you actually read the shit this man posts? Or do you all just take what he says as gospel?

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 01:58 AM

look up the original red cross documents dickhead I posted those too and you walked right past them with your nose held high and your head up your ass.

Becuase it needs to be re-iterated:

//From Nobs link...

//The following post has status hidden: A FACTUAL APPRAISAL OF THE "HOLOCAUST" BY THE RED CROSS. by NoEvidenceOfGenocide • Friday, Jan. 28, 2005 at 7:09 AM

No Evidence Of Genocide [This article has status - HIDDEN - due to it's racist and anti-semetic content - Nazis fuck off! - TBIMC]

The Jews And The Concentration Camps: A Factual Appraisal By The Red Cross. //

Do any of you actually read the shit this man posts? Or do you all just take what he says as gospel?

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 01:58 AM

MR. RUSSERT: But is Mr. Mehlman right? Is their war our war?

MR. BOLTEN: We are allies and we will support Israel in its—in exercising its right of self-defense, but at the same time we’ll do everything possible to, to make sure that, that the, the crisis there has minimum possible impact on, on civilians that, that can possibly be sustained.

MR. RUSSERT: But in terms of the Arab world when the chairman of the Republican Party, close friend of the president, says, “Today we are all Israelis,” what single message do you think that sends?

MR. BOLTEN: The message, the message it should send is that we will support freedom-loving people who reject terror and we are, we are doing that as much as standing by the Israelis as we are by standing by the free national unity government in Iraq who, who are, after all, Arabs.

MR. RUSSERT: So an attack on Israel is an attack on the United States?

MR. BOLTEN: Well, that’s, that’s generally true with respect to allies is that that’s the nature of an alliance, is that an attack on an ally has to be considered an attack on your ally as well. But like I say, that, that doesn’t apply exclusively to the Israelis. That, that applies to, to Arabs, it applies to our European allies and it applies to our allies all over the world.

Jerusalem - Israeli officials believe they have approval from the United States to keep up attacks on Hizbollah guerrillas in Lebanon for at least another week, an Israeli newspaper said on Sunday.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is due to leave for the Middle East on Sunday for talks on resolving the crisis, but Israel's main ally has resisted growing calls for a ceasefire.

"Senior officials believe Israel has an American nod to continue operations against Hizbollah at least until next Sunday," the Haaretz newspaper said on its Web site.

U.S. officials in Israel were not immediately available for comment on the report.

Israel's onslaught in Lebanon to cripple Hizbollah, after the group abducted two soldiers from Israel on July 12, has claimed 355 lives, mostly civilians. Hizbollah attacks and rockets have killed 34 Israelis.

The United States has stressed the need to tackle what it sees as the root cause of the conflict -- Hizbollah's armed presence on Israel's border and the role of its allies, Syria and Iran.

Sunday 23 July 2006

Washington - The Democratic Party moved toward the most significant changes in its presidential nomination process in 30 years on Saturday, a rewriting of its election-year calendar for 2008.

The party's Rules and Bylaws Committee, in a decision that is likely to alter fundamentally the way the party chooses its nominee, voted for early contests in two new states - a caucus in Nevada and a primary in South Carolina. Party officials said the change was almost certain to be ratified by the Democratic National Committee next month.

The immediate effect would be to decrease the influence of Iowa and New Hampshire, the two states that have started - and some party officials argued, unfairly dominated - the nominating process since 1976.

The change was resisted by officials in New Hampshire, which would be sandwiched between a caucus on the Saturday before its famous primary and another primary on the next Tuesday. Gov. John Lynch, a Democrat, warned in a private letter to Democratic officials that the state party might defiantly try to invoke a New Hampshire state law to move the primary earlier.

Republican Party officials said that they were watching the Democratic maneuvering closely, and that it was likely, but not certain, that Republicans would also change their calendar along these same lines.

The change was applauded by Democrats who have long argued that the current system gave too much power to two states that were economically, geographically and ethnically not representative of the nation. In turning to Nevada and South Carolina, Democrats said they were looking to give blacks, Hispanics and union members more of a say in the selection of the nominee.

By calling for contests in the West and the South, Democrats were looking forward to the general election of 2008, prompting candidates to raise an early flag in two regions of the country that are critical to the outcome of presidential elections, but where Democrats have been flagging. President Bush won Nevada with a 2.5 point margin over his Democratic opponent, Senator John Kerry, in 2004.

The cost, many analysts said, could be the los

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From your very own link Nobs. It looks like they've updated it for you.

NOURI AL-MALIKI, the Iraqi Prime Minister, will meet Tony Blair in London today to discuss the crisis in Baghdad, where the new leader’s much-touted security plan has failed to stem the bloodshed that is dragging the city to the point of breakdown.
As he flew out of his embattled capital yesterday at least 63 people were killed in bomb attacks and a dozen were shot dead in relentless drive-by shootings or kidnapped and murdered.

Mr al-Maliki, a Shia conservative who came to power in May, initiated his Baghdad security plan more than a month ago. Thousands of Iraqi soldiers flooded the city in a last-ditch effort to stop sectarian warfare that claimed more than 3,000 lives last month alone. Mr al-Maliki will meet Mr Blair, as well as Margaret Becket, the Foreign Secretary, and Des Browne, the Defence Secretary.

On Tuesday he will arrive in Washington to discuss with President Bush fresh ways of curbing the killing, including deploying additional US troops in the capital — a significant turnabout for the US military, which had hoped to move its forces out of Iraqi cities and hand over security to local troops. As the bombings demonstrated yesterday in the militant Shia Baghdad district of Sadr City and the tense northern oil city of Kirkuk, the country is still mired in violence that appears to be getting worse.

In Sadr City, a stronghold of the al-Mahdi Army militia led by the radical Shia cleric Hojatoleslam Moqtada al-Sadr, a van full of explosives blew up at a market outside a police station, killing at least 34 people and wounding more than 70.

Soon afterwards another bomb went off in front of the district town hall, killing eight more people.

Hours later another car bomb killed 21 people and wounded almost 100 in Kirkuk, a tense ethnic mixture of Kurds, Arabs and Turkmen that is claimed by the nearby autonomous region of Kurdistan as its future capital.

The attacks appeared designed to provoke further violence. The Sadr City blast followed a night of fighting between US troops and Shia death squads believed to be affiliated to the al-Mahdi Army militia. After hours of gunfire the coalition forces freed two Iraqi hostages.

As well as the

Biedermann agreed that in the nineteen instances that "Did Six Million Really Die?" quoted from the Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities during the Second World War and Inter Arma Caritas (this includes the above material), it did so accurately.

A quote from Charles Biedermann (a delegate of the International Committee of the Red Cross and Director of the Red Cross' International Tracing Service) under oath at the Zündel Trial (February 9, 10, 11 and 12, 1988).

Do any of you actually read the shit this man posts? Or do you all just take what he says as gospel?

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 01:58 AM

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I take it as gospel. Yours, too, muck.

Tx. for asking.

The gap between rich and poor is unfortunately an old story.

It is the stuff of parables and literature. It is a force in social history and political economy, from electoral campaigns to reform movements and revolutions.

But in the United States today, there's a new twist to the familiar plot. Income inequality used to be about rich versus poor, but now it's increasingly a matter of the ultra rich and everyone else. The curious effect of the new divide is an economy that appears to be charging ahead, until you realize that the most of the people in it are being left in the dust. President Bush has yet to acknowledge the true state of affairs, though it's at the root of his failure to convince Americans that the good times are rolling.

The president's lack of attention may be misplaced optimism, or it could be political strategy. Acknowledging what's happening would mean having to rethink his policies, not exactly his strong suit.

But the growing income gap - and the rise of the super-rich - demands attention. It is making America a less fair society, and a less stable one.

I. The Growing Divide

Anyone who has driven through the new neighborhoods filled with "McMansions" that have arisen near most cities, or seen the brisk business that luxury stores are doing, has an anecdotal sense that some Americans are making a lot of money right now.

But there is no need to rely on anecdotal evidence.

From your very own link Nobs. It looks like they've updated it for you.

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 02:03 AM

the red cross is antisemetic?

Thomas Piketty, of the École Normale Supérieure in Paris, and Emmanuel Saez of the University of California at Berkeley recently updated their groundbreaking study on income inequality (pdf), and their findings are striking.

The new figures show that from 2003 to 2004, the latest year for which there is data, the richest Americans pulled far ahead of everyone else. In the space of that one year, real average income for the top 1 percent of households - those making more than $315,000 in 2004 - grew by nearly 17 percent. For the remaining 99 percent, the average gain was less than 3 percent, and that probably makes things look better than they really are, since other data, most notably from the Census Bureau, indicate that the average is bolstered by large gains among the top 20 percent of households. In all, the top 1 percent of households enjoyed 36 percent of all income gains in 2004, on top of an already stunning 30 percent in 2003.

Some of the gains at the top reflect capitalism's robust reward for the founders of companies like Microsoft, Google and Dell. But most of it is due to the unprecedented largesse being heaped on executives and professionals, in the form of salary, bonuses and stock options. A recent study done for the Business Roundtable (pdf), a lobbying group for chief executives, shows that median executive pay at 350 large public companies was $6.8 million in 2005. According to the Wall Street Journal, that's 179 times the pay of the average American worker. The study is intended to rebut much higher estimates made by other researchers, but it does little to quell the sense that executive pay is out of whack. As the Journal's Alan Murray pointed out recently, the study's calculation of executive pay is widely criticized as an understatement because, as a measurement of the median, it is largely unaffected by the eight or nine-digit pay packages that have dominated the headlines of late.

Rich people are also being made richer, recent government data shows, by strong returns on investment income. In 2003, the latest year for which figures are available, the top 1 percent of households owned 57.5 percent of corporate wealth, generally dividends and capital gai

////No Evidence Of Genocide [This article has status - HIDDEN - due to it's racist and anti-semetic content - Nazis fuck off! - TBIMC]////

That doesn't bother you though, does it?

What's more of an issue is that Israel is controlled by the same right wing mentality that we are controlled by...Matter of fact Israel is what this country will become if the right wing maintains power in this country...They feed their citizens a diet of fear and hatred from cradle to grave...

If I say that the US is doing wrong I'm a hater of americans...right?

If I say that Israel is doing wrong then I want the jews eradicated...wtf is with that?

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 01:45 AM

Well.. granted .. it;s really only important to me .. hence the long two part post on One More Meaningless Blog I did the other day about it. But .. still and all .. the teeny tiny amount of potential jewish blood in me would be enough to send my ass to the gas chamber if we were in Nazi Germany.

As for the American Hater bit .. no. I don't thinkthat makes you an America hater at all.

As for the Israel bit, I got into it with Muckie because I think what Israel is doing is fucking bullshit and they are way wrong. Again .. liek I said in my audio post at "Meaningless" .. no one can tell me it's cool to blow the shit out of innocent civilians when we are talking about the folks who tracked down the scumbags responsible for Munich. I am pissed off they can't use the same precision to strike at Hezzbollah rather than kill innocents.

So .. I am on your side .. believe it or not .. in the Is Israel way wrong debate.

//I take it as gospel. Yours, too, muck.

Tx. for asking.

Posted by: dr at July 24, 2006 02:04 AM
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LOL!!!

The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a Washington think tank, compared the latest data from Mr. Piketty and Mr. Saez to comprehensive reports on income trends from the Congressional Budget Office. Every way it sliced the data, it found a striking share of total income concentrated at the top (pdf) of the income ladder as of 2004.

* The top 10 percent of households had 46 percent of the nation's income, their biggest share in all but two of the last 70 years.

* The top 1 percent of households had 19.5 percent (see graph).

* The top one-tenth of 1 percent of households actually received nearly half of the increased share going to the top 1 percent.

These disparities seem large, and they are. (Though the latest available data is from 2004, there are virtually no signs that the basic trend has changed since then.) The top 1 percent held a bigger share of total income than at any time since 1929, except for 1999 and 2000 during the tech stock bubble. But what makes today's disparities particularly brutal is that unlike the last bull market of the late 1990's - when a proverbial rising tide was lifting all boats - the rich have been the only winners lately. According to an analysis by Goldman Sachs, for most American households - the bottom 60 percent - average income grew by less than 20 percent from 1979 to 2004, with virtually all of those gains occurring from the mid- to late 1990's. Before and since, real incomes for that group have basically flatlined.

The best-off Americans are not only winning by an extraordinary margin right now. They are the only ones who are winning at all.

The result has been, as Andrew Hacker, a political science professor at Queens College, has observed in a recent article in the New York Review of Books, "more billionaires, more millionaires and more six-figure families."

As income has become more concentrated at the top, overall wealth has also become more skewed. According to the latest installation of a survey (pdf) that the Federal Reserve has conducted every three years since 1989, the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans accounted for 33.4 percent of total net worth in 2004, compared to 3

II. A Brief History of Income Inequality

While it has long been the case that the rich do better than everyone else, it has not always been true that, in the process, the poor get poorer and the middle class gets squeezed. In post-World War II America, between 1947 and the early 1970's, all income groups shared in the nation's economic growth. Poor families actually had a higher growth in real annual income than other groups.

Part of the reason was a sharp rise in labor productivity. As workers produced more, the economy grew and so did compensation - wages, salaries and benefits (see graph). This link between productivity gains and income gains was not automatic. Government policies worked to ensure that productivity gains translated into more pay for Americans at all levels, including regular increases in the minimum wage and greater investment in the social safety net. Full employment was also a government priority. And, of course, unions were strong back then, giving workers bargaining power.

From the mid-1970's until 1995, the trend reversed. The gap between the rich and poor widened at a rapid clip. The upper echelons - generally the top 20 percent of American households - experienced steady gains, while families in the bottom 40 percent were faced with declining or stagnating incomes.

The growing divide coincided with a slowdown in productivity growth and a reversal in the government policies that had been promoting income equality. Legislators balked at raising the minimum wage and the earned income tax credit, a feature of the tax code that rewards the working poor by ensuring that work pays better than welfare. During the "supply side" era in the 1980's, fostered by the policies of Ronald Reagan, taxes became less progressive. The goal of full employment was eclipsed by a focus on inflation fighting that remains to this day.

As trade began to play an ever bigger role in the American economy, manufacturing jobs diminished and labor unions declined, reducing workers' clout in setting compensation. Regulatory laxness reached its apex in the fiscal disaster of the savings and loan meltdown, which drained public resources from socially and eco

Communist Party of Venezuela ready to provide leadership in 21st Century Socialism

Speaking at the opening of the Communist Party of Venezuela (PCV) Twelfth Congress, Venezuelan Executive Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel says the debate on 21st Century Socialism is of vital importance.

Rangel maintains that activists attending the Congress must remember their commitment to President Hugo Chavez Frias, namely that the Party is not made up of some kind of bureaucrats but members who are active in a process that creates a political identity, an ideology and a spirituality.

New Socialism is an urgent task that needs attending, Rangel argues, especially now that it's time to deepen the revolution.

"If the debate is not fully assumed, then the revolutionary process runs the risk of suffering turbulence and could regress to an unacceptable state."

...

Sunday, July 23, 2006

TEHRAN, July 23, 2006 (AFP) - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Sunday told arch-foe Israel to "pack up" and move somewhere outside the Middle East, the state news agency IRNA reported.

"I advise them to pack up and move out of the region before being caught in the fire they have started in Lebanon," said Ahmadinejad, who has repeatedly called for the Jewish state to be relocated elsewhere on the planet.

Iran refuses to recognise Israel and opposes any two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Ahmadinejad has in the past called for Israel to be "wiped off the map" or relocated as far away as Alaska.

Israel launched its offensive in Lebanon on July 12 after Shiite Hezbollah militiamen captured two Israeli soldiers and killed eight others in attacks on the Israel-Lebanon border.

The Jewish state is also continuing with its attacks on the Gaza Strip, with the aim of retrieving a soldier snatched by Palestinian militants and stopping rocket fire.

"Zionists have launched their own destruction by attacking Lebanon," Ahmadinejad added, while accusing Britain and the United States of being "accomplices in this regime's crimes".

Iran, like Syria, has been accused of financing and arming Hezbollah but has always maintained it only gives "moral" support.

On Saturday, Ahmadinejad lobbied Muslims to be more active in seeking an end to Israel's continuing assault on Gaza and Lebanon.

In a show of support, scores of young Iranian boys and girls staged a support demonstration opposite the Lebanese embassy in Tehran carrying Lebanese flag and pictures of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah.

Communist Party of Venezuela ready to provide leadership in 21st Century Socialism

India sends two more warships to Lebanon to evacuate 850 more
Monday July 24 2006 00:00 IST
PTI

NEW DELHI: As Israel intensified Air attacks and mounted limited land incursions into Lebanon, India today stepped up the evacuation of its stranded nationals from the embattled country by sending in two more warships to pull out another 850 people.

With this the total number of people brought out of Lebanon by sea has risen to 1458. There were an estimated 12,000 Indians in Lebanon before the hostilities erupted.

Two naval warships INS Mumbai and INS Brahmaputra, which were moved in the Mediterranean Sea off the Lebanese coast on Sunday entered Beirut harbour to evacuate the second batch of stranded Indians. INS Mumbai, officials said docked at Beirut Port for the second time this week at 0830 hrs local time and sailed off for Larnaca, in Cyprus with 440 Indian nationals.

Indian navy has four warships in the Mediterranean Sea tasked to carry out the evacuation of Indian nationals and INS Mumbai missile-destroyer is the largest of the four.

INS Mumbai was followed into the Beirut Port by INS Brahmaputra, which was to embark another 410 Indian nationals still waiting to be evacuated. Naval officials said that because INS Brahmaputra was a smaller warship and if need arose another warship INS Betwa would be sent to pull out all the remaining evacuees.

Besides, this some Nepalese nationals could also be evacuated as there has been a request from Kathmandu to help evacuate Nepalese nationals in Lebanon. From Larcana in Cyprus Air India would bring the Indian nationals back home in special flights.

According to an Air India spokesman the airlines would be running special flights to Cyprus every alternate day to bring back the Indians to Mumbai, Chennai and New Delhi.

I think Israel has taken things way too far, but I'm also looking at what is making some tick one way or the other. Just becuase you reach the same conclusion, doesn't mean you got there the same way.

That's what I'm pointing out on Nobs, and sorry, he's going to call me a troll? He parrots the same beliefs as the neo-nazis, but I'm the troll?

doesn't say 6 million here...

http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/TIMELINE/camps.HTM

or here

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p335_Nordling.html

A. The Tax Wedge

Tax cuts are the most obvious example. The Urban Institute-Brookings Institution Tax Policy Center computed the combined effects of tax cut legislation from 2001, 2003 and 2006. The tax cuts' contribution to the income gap was significant.

In 2006, the average tax cut for households with incomes of more than $1 million - the top two-tenths of 1 percent - is $112,000 which works out to a boost of 5.7 percent in after tax income. That's considerably higher than the 5 percent boost garnered by the top 1 percent. It's far greater than the 2.5 percent increase of the middle fifth of households, and fully 19 times greater than the 0.3 percent gain of the poorest fifth of households.

The disparities are driven by tax cuts that overwhelmingly benefit the most affluent. In 2006, for instance, a tax cut took effect that allows high income households - those with incomes above $200,000 - to take bigger write offs for their children and other expenses, like mortgage interest on a second home. And increasingly, tax cuts are aimed at allowing America's wealthiest families to amass dynastic wealth - estates to transfer from one generation to the next virtually untouched by taxes. The most obvious example is the gradual reduction in the estate tax that is scheduled through 2010 (and regular attempts to abolish the estate tax altogether). Another huge, though lesser noted example, is the law passed last May allowing all Americans to shelter money in a tax-favored Roth I.R.A. Under previous law, Roths had been off limits to wealthy Americans, precisely because the government did not want to help people amass big estates under the guise of saving for retirement. That sound principle has now been turned on its head.

B. The Assault on Programs for the Poor and Middle Class

Tax cuts are not the only policies widening the gap between the rich and other Americans. Earlier this year, President Bush signed into law a measure that will cut $39 billion over the next five years from domestic programs like Medicaid and food stamps, and $99.3 billion from 2006 to 2015.

The president and the Republican Congress have also done harm to the fina

WILLOW

you're all heart

a special kind of gurl

if i had a million dollars, i'd give you $10,000

*

and everybody else

ever heard of links

Do any of you actually read the shit this man posts? Or do you all just take what he says as gospel?

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 01:58 AM

I am a bitch for MSM .. or atleast moderately respectable Independent News Organisations. So .. unless it is from a source that I feel is reputable.. I take everything here posted with a grain of salt. Hell .. even some of what I post!!

>>(see graph).

or maybe one of the .pdf's mentioned?

the standad protocaol is to supply a link to the article somewhrte along the line...

I was a bad eexample with the Bolton/Russert story.

I didn't give a link until the 5th of 5 posts.

C. The Too-Easy Answer

When confronted with evidence of growing income inequality, Bush administration officials invariably say the answer is more and better education. "We are starting to see that the income gap is largely an education gap," said Trent Duffy, a White House spokesman, in a typical retort last January when tax data showed an increasing concentration of wealth among the highest-income Americans.

Education is critically important to individuals, society, the economy and democracy itself, and deserves strong government support. But it is neither a satisfactory explanation, nor a remedy, for today's income inequality.

There is a strong correlation between one's level of education and one's earning power. The Bush administration is assuming that the correlation will continue to hold in an ever more globalized economy. Writing in the March/April issue of Foreign Affairs, Princeton economist Alan S. Blinder, a former vice-chairman of the Federal Reserve, explains why that view may be mistaken:

"Other things being equal, education and skills are, of course, good things; education yields higher returns in advanced societies, and more schooling probably makes workers more flexible and more adaptable to change. But the problem with relying on education as the remedy for job losses is that 'other things' are not remotely close to equal. The critical divide in the future may instead be between those types of work that are easily deliverable through a wire (or via a wireless connection) with little or no diminution in quality and those that are not. And this unconventional divide does not correspond well to traditional distinctions between jobs that require high levels of education and jobs that don't."

There is already evidence that the benefits of education are not as straightforward as many people seem to believe they are. In his review of "Inequality Matters," a collection essays commissioned by Demos, a public policy research and advocacy organization, Mr. Hacker, the Queens College political science professor, cited findings from the Bureau of Labor Statistics to show that many college graduates now hold jobs that once required only a high s

Hind sight is 20/20.

I shouldn't of drank that many.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 24, 2006 02:11 AM

FUCK OFF!!!!!!!!!

FUCK OFF!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: air-ono at July 24, 2006 02:13 AM

Too good!

:)

http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/history-holocauste-020205?opendocument

This appears to verify the above article doesn't it?

//doesn't say 6 million here...

http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/TIMELINE/camps.HTM

or here

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p335_Nordling.html

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 02:10 AM
//

2 unknown resources from the internet? Okay, you have me convinced. The Jews and Russian and American soldiers made the whole shit up. Good thing you found some unknown resources on the internet to say it didn't happen. If you found it on the internet, it must be true.

Civil Rights Hiring Shifted in Bush Era
By Charlie Savage
The Boston Globe

Sunday 23 July 2006

Conservative leanings stressed.

Washington -- The Bush administration is quietly remaking the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, filling the permanent ranks with lawyers who have strong conservative credentials but little experience in civil rights, according to job application materials obtained by the Globe.

The documents show that only 42 percent of the lawyers hired since 2003, after the administration changed the rules to give political appointees more influence in the hiring process, have civil rights experience. In the two years before the change, 77 percent of those who were hired had civil rights backgrounds.

In an acknowledgment of the department's special need to be politically neutral, hiring for career jobs in the Civil Rights Division under all recent administrations, Democratic and Republican, had been handled by civil servants -- not political appointees.

But in the fall of 2002, then-attorney general John Ashcroft changed the procedures. The Civil Rights Division disbanded the hiring committees made up of veteran career lawyers.

For decades, such committees had screened thousands of resumes, interviewed candidates, and made recommendations that were only rarely rejected.

Now, hiring is closely overseen by Bush administration political appointees to Justice, effectively turning hundreds of career jobs into politically appointed positions.

The profile of the lawyers being hired has since changed dramatically, according to the resumes of successful applicants to the voting rights, employment litigation, and appellate sections. Under the Freedom of Information Act, the Globe obtained the resumes among hundreds of pages of hiring data from 2001 to 2006.

*

Who calls her two-faced? Faces, she has three:

The first inscrutable, for the outer world

The second, shrouded in self-contemplation;

The third, her face of love

Once for an endless moment turned on me.

*

=Robert Graves, The Three-Faced"=

again why is this blog here

who does it serve

if it's for us

then we need a moderator...

"tax-spamming freak" - BOUNCE - ZAP - GONE

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 02:14 AM

You know what .edu means don't you?

University of South Florida

and the second is from

The Institute of Historical Review

According to this book I'm reading, Robert Graves was "raging with grief and jealousy of imagined rivals.." when he wrote that poem.

It was about one of his muses, named Margot.

That guy is smart, big and strong.

Assamese writer wins peace prize

New Delhi: Eminent Assamese wri-ter Dr Indira (Mam-oni Roysom) Gosw-ami has added another laurel to her credit. She has been awarded the prestigious "Ambassador of Peace" prize by the Interreligious and International Federation of World Peace (IIFWP) recently. She has also been nominated for the membership of the Mongolian Peoples’ Federa-tion for World Peace, South Korea.

...

"I hope to work for my fellow beings and offer all possible help in enabling them to lead a better life. I would definitely like to dedicate my life for the establishment of a culture of peace, transcending racial, national and religious barriers. I prefer a world of peace, where the spiritual and material dimensions of life are harmonised," avers Indira. The author has a series of new ventures, including novels and poetry books, in the pipeline. She is also very enthusiastic about the new chapters she is planning to add to her autobiography, Adha Lekha Dast-avez (An Unfinished Biogr-aphy), which is regarded as a masterpiece in Assamese literature.

"Writing is in my blood, in my veins. Without my pen, I will die. With it, I am a free bird, to fly anywhere, to be anyone and to understand anything. With my writing, I want to spread the message of peace and harmony," adds the author.

Posted by: A. at July 24, 2006 02:17 AM

apparently, he penned the C&W sensation

"The Voices in My Head Told Me You've Been Cheatin'"

http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/history-world-war-2-overview-020205?opendocument

start looking.

"The Voices in My Head Told Me You've Been Cheatin'"

Posted by: air-ono at July 24, 2006 02:19 AM

Funny...that's like one of the only posts that has stuck in my head since I got here...

Posted by: air-ono at July 24, 2006 01:43 AM

:)

doesn't say 6 million here...

http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/TIMELINE/camps.HTM

or here

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p335_Nordling.html

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 02:10 AM

Non-Combatant Deaths in WW II ... from Holocaust History.Org

I think it is a good and trustworthy site.

Posted by: Waiting for Cicero at July 24, 2006 01:24 AM

And this one....

helloooo.... WFC... :)

Posted by: A. at July 24, 2006 02:21 AM

you mean to tell me

that this gem:

//C. The Too-Easy Answer

When confronted with evidence of growing income inequality, Bush administration officials invariably say the answer is more and better education. "We are starting to see that the income gap is largely an education gap," said Trent Duffy, a White House spokesman, in a typical retort last January when tax data showed an increasing concentration of wealth among the highest-income Americans.

Education is critically important to individuals, society, the economy and democracy itself, and deserves strong government support. But it is neither a satisfactory explanation, nor a remedy, for today's income inequality.

There is a strong correlation between one's level of education and one's earning power. The Bush administration is assuming that the correlation will continue to hold in an ever more globalized economy. Writing in the March/April issue of Foreign Affairs, Princeton economist Alan S. Blinder, a former vice-chairman of the Federal Reserve, explains why that view may be mistaken:

"Other things being equal, education and skills are, of course, good things; education yields higher returns in advanced societies, and more schooling probably makes workers more flexible and more adaptable to change. But the problem with relying on education as the remedy for job losses is that 'other things' are not remotely close to equal. The critical divide in the future may instead be between those types of work that are easily deliverable through a wire (or via a wireless connection) with little or no diminution in quality and those that are not. And this unconventional divide does not correspond well to traditional distinctions between jobs that require high levels of education and jobs that don't."

There is already evidence that the benefits of education are not as straightforward as many people seem to believe they//

slipped you by

Posted by: Willow at July 24, 2006 02:23 AM

I prefer the ICRC

So how many Jews died in the Holocuast then Nobs? And while you're at it, go on to the theories why those several thousand had to die. Did you know that many other thousands of .edu's say the opposite? But you will ignore those, won't you? You found the one you want, and bygum, it must be the truth! You just know it was another jewish plot, don't you?

//I prefer the ICRC//

you fool

the ICRC is a breeding ground for jews, fags, & gypsies

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 02:27 AM

according to the international commitee of the red cross...it wasn't 6 million and it wasn't from gas chambers...it was from typhus and starvation...

According to this book I'm reading, Robert Graves was "raging with grief and jealousy of imagined rivals.." when he wrote that poem.

It was about one of his muses, named Margot.

Posted by: A. at July 24, 2006 02:17 AM

______________

Margot's whack cargo inspires largo poetic argot.

(Is that how the muses transfigure the crucible of suffering into poetic justice?)

Biedermann agreed that in the nineteen instances that "Did Six Million Really Die?" quoted from the Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities during the Second World War and Inter Arma Caritas (this includes the above material), it did so accurately.

A quote from Charles Biedermann (a delegate of the International Committee of the Red Cross and Director of the Red Cross' International Tracing Service) under oath at the Zündel Trial (February 9, 10, 11 and 12, 1988).

Posted by: air-ono at July 24, 2006 02:24 AM

Ya. Everything but the capital letter "C" anyway...

BUT!

Not the second time..now it's been read and noted since you re-brought it to my attention....

:)

//according to the international commitee of the red cross...it wasn't 6 million and it wasn't from gas chambers...it was from typhus and starvation...

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 02:29 AM
//

Oh, I see. So that let's you feel a whole lot better about it, don't it? And where were they starved at? And again, how many would you say died in the holocuast? You've said it once before, it shouldn't hurt you to do it again.

Posted by: A. at July 24, 2006 02:30 AM

that was not my intention, for you to read it

my intention went awry

i've cut my own throat

Posted by: dr at July 24, 2006 02:29 AM

HAHAHAHA... :)

Yes...I think..but I'll let you know for sure after I look up the word 'argot'...

Nobs, I really want you to consider this. Who do you think you sound like? I see a few groups you seem to share the same beliefs with, and I'd like to think you're not part of any of them.

Willow,

have you heard about Will Ferrel next movie -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0415306/

due in AUgust!

Oh, I see. So that let's you feel a whole lot better about it, don't it? And where were they starved at? And again, how many would you say died in the holocuast? You've said it once before, it shouldn't hurt you to do it again.

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 02:32 AM

Why don't you read the links?

Willow,

have you heard about Will Ferrel next movie -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0415306/

due in AUgust!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0415306/trailers-screenplay-E27888-10-2

Nobs, I really want you to consider this. Who do you think you sound like? I see a few groups you seem to share the same beliefs with, and I'd like to think you're not part of any of them.

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 02:34 AM

groups like the international comittee of the red cross?

//Why don't you read the links?

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 02:35 AM
//

You're obviously not. Why would you post a link to an article that has this preceeding it:

////No Evidence Of Genocide [This article has status - HIDDEN - due to it's racist and anti-semetic content - Nazis fuck off! - TBIMC]////

You are an amazing person, NC. God bless you for what you did down there.

Posted by: Willow at July 24, 2006 01:54 AM

My response was stoic.

I was trying to get through the day, weeks and months that followed.

I'm from here and I was down there. I've lived here my entire life. I've seen other equally horrific events here.

There has been no consideration in seeking out for purposes of posting the most graphic, horrific and controversial aspects of the events surrounding that day. Yet out of consideration for some here I am reluctant to post stories relating the banality of violence that takes place here normally. I've related some that have been published.

The photo and narrative was meant to evoke an understanding that the entire landscape in context has national, historic and symbolic value. It was one of the most photographed places in the world both before and after 9/11. It's normal for people to have camera's here.

There are other sides to this city. Sides that are rarely photographed or discussed that go beyond what has reciently defined this city to the outside world. Those are the sides of the city that New Yorkers live and die with everday and are never used to define the life that exists here to the outside world.

groups like history professors?...

F. H. HINSLEY, Master of St. John's College and Professor of the History of International Relations in the University of Cambridge. In his detailed research, using decrypted German reports from Auschwitz, sent to Berlin, he reveals the following

"From the spring of 1942 until February 1943 ... The returns (reports) from Auschwitz, the largest of the camps with 20,000 prisoners, mentioned illness as the main cause of death, but included references to shootings and hangings. There were no references in the decrypts to gassing."

//groups like the international comittee of the red cross?

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 02:37 AM

////No Evidence Of Genocide [This article has status - HIDDEN - due to it's racist and anti-semetic content - Nazis fuck off! - TBIMC]////

rickybobby.com

gotta git ta bed, yall!

don't stay up fighting, kids.

tomorrow is a school day!

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 02:38 AM

Ya...you can call it what you will but it is factual.

You have a problem with facts or the internatioal comittee of the red cross?

////No Evidence Of Genocide [This article has status - HIDDEN - due to it's racist and anti-semetic content - Nazis fuck off! - TBIMC]////

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 02:39 AM

Yeah that sounds like a real scholarly appraisal doesn't it?

Let's ask a red cross historian...

Biedermann agreed that in the nineteen instances that "Did Six Million Really Die?" quoted from the Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities during the Second World War and Inter Arma Caritas (this includes the above material), it did so accurately.

A quote from Charles Biedermann (a delegate of the International Committee of the Red Cross and Director of the Red Cross' International Tracing Service) under oath at the Zündel Trial (February 9, 10, 11 and 12, 1988).

goodnight, chubbs

you're the kiss of death

//groups like history professors?...

F. H. HINSLEY, Master of St. John's College and Professor of the History of International Relations in the University of Cambridge. In his detailed research, using decrypted German reports from Auschwitz, sent to Berlin, he reveals the following

"From the spring of 1942 until February 1943 ... The returns (reports) from Auschwitz, the largest of the camps with 20,000 prisoners, mentioned illness as the main cause of death, but included references to shootings and hangings. There were no references in the decrypts to gassing."

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 02:38 AM
//

Nobs, you're not stupid. Why do you keep making stupid posts? So reports from the Nazis at Auschwitz said the Jews were all dying from illnesses, therefore that must be true.

Nobs, you are really insulting my intelligence now. So now the Nazis are good credible sources for you? I think you've been brainwashed, and brainwashed but good. Where do you pick up all your anti-semitic crap? Did you go purposely seeking this shit out?

From the dept. of bitchy digs:

"Margot the muse" got me to 'memberin' the old dig by Margot Asquith (wife of then-prime minister Herbert Asquith) on movie-star Jean Harlow.

Harlow was at a dinner party and kept addressing Margot Asquith as Margo[T] (i.e. pronouncing the hard 'T').

After a spell, Margot hadda bellyful and said to her: "No Jean, the "T" is silent, as in Harlow".

a picture of the blog

International Red Cross Accused of Being "Used & probably controlled" by German intelligence during WWII

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From the Detroit Free Press, August 30, 1996, p. 6A:

WWII documents bolster Nazi-Red Cross connection
By Arthur Spiegelman

Reuters

CHICAGO -- The International Committee of the Red Cross, which prides itself on being nonpolitical, is accused in previously secret World War II documents of being used and "probably controlled" at its highest levels by German intelligence.

The U.S. intelligence documents allege that ICRC representatives worked as agents conveying military information to Berlin, even using U.S. diplomatic mail to get material out. They also allege Red Cross pouches were used to ferry German assets into Switzerland and the group itself was used to smuggle German agents across European borders.

Do you want to keep going? There's a lot more there...

I prefer the ICRC

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 02:25 AM

I am not so sure I do ...

François Bugnion, the ICRC's Director for International Law and Cooperation within the Movement, reflects* on the organization's failure to react vigorously to the persecution of Jews by the Third Reich. 5/11/02

Sounds like they were less than on top of the Holocaust... by their own admission. So the ascertion that they know what killed victims of the holocaust when they weren'te ven allowed in the camps to see .. well.. rings kinda hollow.

Secondly, hate to be the asshole here .. but nothing in this supports this statement: "
The holocaust may indeed be exagerated considering that the red cross reports attribute most deaths to yellow fever."

I don't doubt people died of other things in the overcrowded, horrifying filth of the camps. I am just saying I am certain that regardless of that .. the Nazis were clearly unconcerned and therefore complicit in the deaths .. by firing squad, gas, experimentation, starvation, hyperthermia, hypothermia, disease - both environmentally caused and no doubt medically caused however. The Nazi's clearly wanted the Jews dead and they did a stellar job killing anywhere from 4.1 million to 6 million depending on whom you choose to believe.

//a picture of the blog//

c&p this url -

http://0o-paraziitte-o0.c0wb0ys.org/1186441.jpg

Why are you so quick to believe the Nazis?

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 02:45 AM

the sign in front of Aushwitz says 1.5 million and they're debating whether or not that should be reduced further as evidence only supports that number...

Why are you so quick to believe the Nazis?

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 02:49 AM

I never quoted any nazis...

The International Comittee of the Red Cross confirmed the article posted...In court and under oath.

what does my picture of the blog

have to do with nazi's

*

try to keep the blog on a sexy keel

Posted by: Nobody

Wow. I didn't know that you are the west coast Malloy.

You are kidding me!

Thoth/muck4doo is still on about the Jews being driven into the sea by Nobody?

Thoth, what are you trying to prove?

Never mind, and don't answer that.

Its seems to me that if you can prove that someone anyone (in this case Nobody) is the biggest jerk in the world, then you can justify your own assholishness on the blog and chalk it all up to your reaction to the insufferable idiot
you must be forced to share this chatroom with.

Having been on the recieving end of one of your
campaigns, I think I know whereof I speak.

Get a life. (Let the name calling and insinuating
comments begin.)

Wow. I didn't know that you are the west coast Malloy.

Posted by: Michael the self-actualized A-C at July 24, 2006 02:55 AM

You have a problem with the International Comittee of the Red Cross too?

I never quoted any nazis...

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 02:50 AM

//F. H. HINSLEY, Master of St. John's College and Professor of the History of International Relations in the University of Cambridge. In his detailed research, using decrypted German reports from Auschwitz, sent to Berlin, he reveals the following

"From the spring of 1942 until February 1943 ... The returns (reports) from Auschwitz, the largest of the camps with 20,000 prisoners, mentioned illness as the main cause of death, but included references to shootings and hangings. There were no references in the decrypts to gassing."

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 02:38 AM //

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 03:00 AM

"Master of St. John's College and Professor of the History of International Relations in the University of Cambridge."

The blog is effin' HOT! :)

Nice A/O....

//Its seems to me that if you can prove that someone anyone (in this case Nobody) is the biggest jerk in the world//

I don't believe that is so. I just think he is sadly mistaken in this case.

All I can say is that I have never said anything about Jews AT ALL and you showed me the same
treatment of single minded obsesiveness.

AND made up stuff about me that was not true,
that I was harrassing you, ect.

Just putting a little perspective on the situation.

I don't believe that is so. I just think he is sadly mistaken in this case.

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 03:02 AM

me and the international comittee of the red cross under oath in a court of law...

//a picture of the blog//

c&p this url -

http://0o-paraziitte-o0.c0wb0ys.org/1186441.jpg

Posted by: air-ono at July 24, 2006 02:49 AM

___________

Sometimes a cigar is just a penis substitute.

The 1944 Peace Prize: Aid to Political Prisoners
In his report on the ICRC's work for prisoners of war, Castberg described the Red Cross inspections in the prisoner camps in detail. He also pointed out that the ICRC never directed a protest to the governments of the Axis powers, although there were certainly grounds for one. Castberg accounted for the ICRC policy as follows: "The Red Cross must be assumed to have found it wisest to exercise the utmost caution in order not to risk a breach of relations with Germany, which would have meant a complete halt to ICRC activities in Germany and German-occupied areas."

Castberg used the same explanation in describing the role of the Red Cross in relation to civilian prisoners. Until mid-1942 the Germans denied the ICRC any intervention on behalf of this group, claiming that this was a police matter not subject to the provisions of the Geneva Convention of 1929. Not until the winter of 1942-43 did the Nazis allow civilian prisoners to receive Red Cross parcels containing food and medicine. These parcels brought succour to at least some of the concentration camp prisoners.

Research carried out in the 1980s has probed the ICRC's relationship to Nazi Germany in light of the extermination of the Jews. Shortly after the Nazis had adopted their "final solution" to the "Jewish question" at the Wannsee Conference in 1942, the leaders of the International Red Cross were informed of their plans. That same autumn the leaders of the ICRC deliberated on whether they should publicly condemn the atrocities, but they chose to remain silent. The ICRC maintained its policy of caution in relation to the Nazis until the war was over, presumably because a public condemnation could result in reprisals against civilian and military prisoners. Moreover, cooperation between the Swiss government and Germany could be endangered. At worst it could have provoked military action against the neutral country of Switzerland.

When the 50th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz was commemorated in 1995, the President of the ICRC, Cornelio Sommaruga, said that the organisation was fully aware of the gravity of Holocaust and the necessity of keeping its memory alive, in

When the 50th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz was commemorated in 1995, the President of the ICRC, Cornelio Sommaruga, said that the organisation was fully aware of the gravity of Holocaust and the necessity of keeping its memory alive, in order to prevent its recurrence. He apologised for the errors and shortcomings that the Red Cross could be blamed for with regard to the victims of the concentration camps

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/articles/libaek/index.html

Right out of the horses mouth. Does that satisfy you Nobs?

Sometimes a cigar is just a penis substitute.

Posted by: Dr. Pretty-Boy Freud at July 24, 2006 03:05 AM

ROTFLMFAO.

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 03:07 AM

so you're saying that the icrc were collaborators with the nazis now?

omfg that's hilarious...why don't you link that gem so we can see who's saying it.

//AND made up stuff about me that was not true, that I was harrassing you, ect.

Just putting a little perspective on the situation.

Posted by: conbo at July 24, 2006 03:03 AM
//

Drop it Conbo, maybe I'll go look for your drunken mexican posts later, but i really don't want to continue this with you.

Okay .. just for the sake of finding out .. how did the Jews die in the comcentration camps?

//omfg that's hilarious...why don't you link that gem so we can see who's saying it.

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 03:10 AM
//

Already did.

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/articles/libaek/index.html

Are you calling them liars?

//Sometimes// you don't have to google "erotica" etc

sometimes an "0o" will do just fine

This comprehensive account from an entirely neutral source incorporated and expanded the findings of two previous works: Documents sur l'activité du CICR en faveur des civils détenus dans les camps de concentration en Allemagne 1939-1945 (Geneva, 1946), and Inter Arma Caritas: the Work of the ICRC during the Second World War (Geneva, 1947). The team of authors, headed by Frédéric Siordet, explained in the opening pages of the Report that their object, in the tradition of the Red Cross, had been strict political neutrality, and herein lies its great value.

google away...

Yeah, ok, Im racist too.

Whatever.

Ah, and you all thought Sunshine Jim's "Spoing!" was just an innocent greeting, didn't you?

death to Jews and Mexicans!

Olay, Kvell!

//Inaction of the Red Cross
The International Red Cross did relatively little to save Jews during the Holocaust and discounted reports of the organized Nazi genocide, such as of the murder of Polish Jewish prisoners that took place at Lublin that the Red Cross discounted. At the time, the Red Cross justified its inaction by suggesting that aiding Jewish prisoners would harm its ability to help other Allied POWs. In addition, the Red Cross claimed that if it would take a major stance to improve the situation of those European Jews, the neutrality of Switzerland, where the International Red Cross was based, would be jeopardized. Today, the Red Cross acknowledges its passivity during the Holocaust, and has apologized for this.[1]//

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_the_Holocaust

//google away...

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 03:13 AM
//

Link please...

look, alls i'm saying is

if it doesn't involve serendipity

you can shove it up satan's ass

that's all i'm saying.

that, and...

connie's a dangerous schitzophrenic

//The International Committee of the Red Cross reaffirms “open door” policy on its role during and after World War II

The International Committee of the Red Cross has reaffirmed its “open door” policy towards researchers looking into the organization’s role during the Second World War and its aftermath, following the resurfacing of reports in the media that Nazi war criminal Josef Mengele tricked the ICRC into issuing him a travel document.

The ICRC document, which Mengele obtained by using a false name in Genoa (Italy) in 1949, enabled him to escape justice and flee to Argentina.

The ICRC had already brought similar cases to light several years ago, when it publicly announced that Adolf Eichmann and Klaus Barbie had also obtained documents by using false identities.

Writing in the International Herald Tribune on 10 March 1992, Yves Sandoz, Director of the ICRC’s Department of Principles and Law, wrote: “These men [Barbie, Eichmann and Mengele] and their secret supporters took shameless advantage of a humanitarian service which benefitted half a million people, mostly survivors of concentration camps and refugees from Eastern Europe.”

In the wake of the Second World War and the mass population movements it caused, hundreds of thousands of people found themselves without legal documents, and sometimes with no nationality. Many wanted to start a new life on another continent. The ICRC helped tens of thousands of these people by giving them travel documents in accordance with guidelines agreed with the governments concerned.

In a number of cases this system was abused.
“We are committed to dealing as openly as possible with painful and regrettable experiences from the past”, said Yves Sandoz today. “We would not be human if we did not feel at least some of the anguish that survivors of Mengele’s experiments and their relatives must have felt when they heard how this evil man managed to escape justice in the chaos of post-war Europe.”

Just over three years ago, the ICRC opened its detailed and extensive collection of archives to researchers. Since then more than 150 academics, journalists and students have consulted documents released un

The Red Cross: Three-Time Recipient of the Peace Prize...

http://ghost1.com/cgi/nph-ghost.cgi/000000A/http/nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/articles/libaek/index.html

Funny that they got the nobel peace prize for their work isn't it? Also funny is that the article agrees with the article that I posted nearly verbatim...Also funny is this line..."Research carried out in the 1980s"

Here's from the article I posted...sound familiar?

The Report admits that the Germans were at first reluctant to permit supervision by the Red Cross of people detained on grounds relating to security, but by the latter part of 1942, the ICRC obtained important concessions from Germany. They were permitted to distribute food parcels to major concentration camps in Germany from August 1942, and "from February 1943 onwards this concession was extended to all other camps and prisons" (Vol. 111, p. 78). The ICRC soon established contact with camp commandants and launched a food relief programme which continued to function until the last months of 1945, letters of thanks for which came pouring in from Jewish internees.

omfg that's hilarious...why don't you link that gem so we can see who's saying it.

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 03:10 AM

Since no one bothers to read my fucking links anyway .. allow me to post this ...

François Bugnion, the ICRC's Director for International Law and Cooperation within the Movement, reflects* on the organization's failure to react vigorously to the persecution of Jews by the Third Reich.

"There are times for speaking, and times when one would prefer to remain silent.

Words fail us before these images, which reflect both infinite suffering and depths of horror and cruelty, just as words fail us when we visit the sites where memories of persecution and genocide are preserved: Theresienstadt, Mauthausen, Bergen-Belsen, Ravensbrück, Buchenwald, Auschwitz ...

What these images convey, first of all, is the boundless suffering of the persecuted, whose tragic itinerary started with race laws and ghettos and ended in extermination camps, leading from social exclusion to despoilment, hunger, cold, humiliation, deportation, the torment of the camps and, finally, death.

What these images also drive home is the particular cruelty of the persecutors, their absolute contempt for human life and the total perversion of moral values that is evident in their organized killing.

And as a staff member of the International Committee of the Red Cross, one is of course forced to come to terms with the failure of an organization whose mandate is to protect and assist war victims. ..."

From the link I post above from 5/11/02

But what the fuck .. you won't read this either.

This is straight from ICRC Nobs:

The International Committee of the Red Cross reaffirms “open door” policy on its role during and after World War II

The International Committee of the Red Cross has reaffirmed its “open door” policy towards researchers looking into the organization’s role during the Second World War and its aftermath, following the resurfacing of reports in the media that Nazi war criminal Josef Mengele tricked the ICRC into issuing him a travel document.

The ICRC document, which Mengele obtained by using a false name in Genoa (Italy) in 1949, enabled him to escape justice and flee to Argentina.

The ICRC had already brought similar cases to light several years ago, when it publicly announced that Adolf Eichmann and Klaus Barbie had also obtained documents by using false identities.

Writing in the International Herald Tribune on 10 March 1992, Yves Sandoz, Director of the ICRC’s Department of Principles and Law, wrote: “These men [Barbie, Eichmann and Mengele] and their secret supporters took shameless advantage of a humanitarian service which benefitted half a million people, mostly survivors of concentration camps and refugees from Eastern Europe.”

In the wake of the Second World War and the mass population movements it caused, hundreds of thousands of people found themselves without legal documents, and sometimes with no nationality. Many wanted to start a new life on another continent. The ICRC helped tens of thousands of these people by giving them travel documents in accordance with guidelines agreed with the governments concerned.

In a number of cases this system was abused.
“We are committed to dealing as openly as possible with painful and regrettable experiences from the past”, said Yves Sandoz today. “We would not be human if we did not feel at least some of the anguish that survivors of Mengele’s experiments and their relatives must have felt when they heard how this evil man managed to escape justice in the chaos of post-war Europe.”

Just over three years ago, the ICRC opened its detailed and extensive collection of archives to researchers. Since then more than 150 academics, journalists and studen

Hey Willow,

Are you still around?

Just over three years ago, the ICRC opened its detailed and extensive collection of archives to researchers. Since then more than 150 academics, journalists and students have consulted documents released un

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 03:18 AM

All of which Thoth discounts entirely...

connie's a dangerous schitzophrenic

Posted by: air-ono at July 24, 2006 03:18 AM

Why would you say something like that?

Thats really mean. I hope your joking.

Just over three years ago, the ICRC opened its detailed and extensive collection of archives to researchers. Since then more than 150 academics, journalists and students have consulted documents released under the 50-year rule.

René Kosirnik, the head of ICRC’s Working Group on the Second World War, said: “As an institution that seeks to learn from its past, the ICRC is keen to supplement its own research with independent, external scrutiny.”

In recent years, after being supplied with a list of aliases used by war criminals and high-ranking Nazis who arrived in Argentina, ICRC researchers have discovered that at least ten of them received ICRC travel documents by deceitful means. They include Erich Priebke, Erich Müller and Gerhard Bohne.

“This is not an exact science”, said René Kosirnik. “All we can do is check whether we issued travel documents that correspond to the aliases we have been given. Some correspond precisely, others less so. What is certain is that we will search our files as thoroughly as possible and address the issues that arise.”

ICRC

Press release 99/09

17 February 1999

http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/iwpList418/0093543C447FB306C1256B66005D10BA

Unions and Israel
A letter from a rank-and-file unionist to CAW's President by Joe Emersberger and Buzz Hargrove

July 23, 2006

To Buzz Hargrove (President of Canadian Auto Workers)

July 19, 2006

Buzz,

Israel has killed nearly 300 Lebanese civilians and displaced half a million. It has been given cart blanche by the international community - including Harper's government - to kill as many people as it likes.

The corporate media has sold people on the lie that the crisis originated with the capture of a single soldier by Hamas militants based in Gaza. As always, Israeli expansionism is ignored and it is depicted as acting in self defence..Israeli strikes killed scores of civilians in Gaza in the weeks prior to the capture of the Israeli soldier. The day before his capture Israel kidnapped two civilians from Gaza. Worse, since 2000 Israel has implemented a murderous siege on Gaza that has tripled malnutrition among children according to conservative sources such as the UN and the World bank. It is important to note that Israel's economic strangulation precedes both the election of Hamas and the so called "withdrawal" from the Gaza.

It is worth remembering that Israel funded Hamas during its early days to undermine the PLO. Israeli policy has consistently placed expansionism above security. Contrary to much fantasy that has not changed in recent years.

Please reconsider your stand on CUPE's call for economic sanctions against Israel. The labour movement should be taking action.

Joe Emersberger Local 1498

*************

REPLY FROM CAW

Posted by: conbo at July 24, 2006 03:20 AM

i'm not joking

: )

//All of which Thoth discounts entirely...

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 03:20 AM
//

Read above.

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 03:21 AM

Which means that the icrc were nazis right?

Posted by: conbo at July 24, 2006 03:20 AM

i'm not joking

: )

Posted by: air-ono at July 24, 2006 03:22 AM

ok...

Why would you say something like that?

Read above.

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 03:22 AM

the artcle I posted quotes those archives...and they've even verified those quotes under oath in a court of law...

//Which means that the icrc were nazis right?

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 03:22 AM
//

They collabareted with them. They kept their mouths shut when they saw evil going on. Kind of like what you expect me to do here.

In the course of the war, "The Committee was in a position to transfer and distribute in the form of relief supplies over twenty million Swiss francs collected by Jewish welfare organisations throughout the world, in particular by the American Joint Distribution Committee of New York" (Vol. I, p. 644). This latter organisation was permitted by the German Government to maintain offices in Berlin until the American entry into the war. The ICRC complained that obstruction of their vast relief operation for Jewish internees came not from the Germans but from the tight Allied blockade of Europe. Most of their purchases of relief food were made in Rumania, Hungary and Slovakia.

The Crime of Lebanon and Palestine ... are Iran and Syria next in line?

by Stephen Lendman

By any interpretation of international law, Israel today is committing massive and egregious war crimes and crimes against humanity against the defenseless people of Palestine and Lebanon.

It's doing it with the full support and encouragement of the United States of America and the willful compliance of the West, most of the Arab world, the UN and the dominant corporate media worldwide acting as cheerleaders for the mass killing, crippling destruction, and commiseration of innocent civilians in Lebanon and the Palestinian Occupied Territories.

...

And not only did they keep their mouths shut, they helped them escape.

//Why would you say something like that?//

you said, and i quote:

"Let the name calling and insinuating comments begin"

well,

you said it

(i would have said it anyway, but that's another story for another time)

Enron demise linked to Energy Task Force meetings?

the artcle I posted quotes those archives...and they've even verified those quotes under oath in a court of law...

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 03:24 AM

*********************************
It might be Nice if you could link to the actual archives .. because the evidence I am getting AND POSTING from the ICRC is pretty much saying exactly what Muckie is saying. The Red Cross feels that it - ITSELF - is responsible for the horrors of the Holocaust.

To wit - "There are times for speaking, and times when one would prefer to remain silent.

Words fail us before these images, which reflect both infinite suffering and depths of horror and cruelty, just as words fail us when we visit the sites where memories of persecution and genocide are preserved: Theresienstadt, Mauthausen, Bergen-Belsen, Ravensbrück, Buchenwald, Auschwitz ...

What these images convey, first of all, is the boundless suffering of the persecuted, whose tragic itinerary started with race laws and ghettos and ended in extermination camps, leading from social exclusion to despoilment, hunger, cold, humiliation, deportation, the torment of the camps and, finally, death.

What these images also drive home is the particular cruelty of the persecutors, their absolute contempt for human life and the total perversion of moral values that is evident in their organized killing.

And as a staff member of the International Committee of the Red Cross, one is of course forced to come to terms with the failure of an organization whose mandate is to protect and assist war victims. ..."

It's wrong Nobs (your beliefs in what happened during the holocuast), and I think it's time for you to do a little soul searching and really look into what happened.

It was real, it was ugly, and millions died. It isn't an exaggeration, it wasn't a plot to get Israel and all that other crap the conspiracy theory nuts put forth.

They collabareted with them. They kept their mouths shut when they saw evil going on. Kind of like what you expect me to do here.

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 03:24 AM

No actually I wish that you'd step off my planet because she has an overabundance of stupid...to be exact...Collaboration?...the ICRC is nazis?

You're nuts.

"at least ten of them received ICRC travel documents by deceitful means."

"Josef Mengele tricked the ICRC into issuing him a travel document."

"In a number of cases this system was abused."

"Mengele obtained by using a false name in Genoa "

"These men [Barbie, Eichmann and Mengele] and their secret supporters took shameless advantage of a humanitarian service which benefitted half a million people, mostly survivors of concentration camps and refugees from Eastern Europe."

dear mr. & mrs. god

smite anyone whose posts are not light & fluffy!

thank you

and if you can swing a vulva my way

that would rock

The ICRC had special praise for the liberal conditions which prevailed at Theresienstadt up to the time of their last visits there in April 1945. This camp, "where there were about 40,000 Jews deported from various countries was a relatively privileged ghetto" (Vol. III, p. 75). According to the Report, "'The Committee's delegates were able to visit the camp at Theresienstadt (Terezin) which was used exclusively for Jews and was governed by special conditions. From information gathered by the Committee, this camp had been started as an experiment by certain leaders of the Reich ... These men wished to give the Jews the means of setting up a communal life in a town under their own administration and possessing almost complete autonomy. . . two delegates were able to visit the camp on April 6th, 1945. They confirmed the favourable impression gained on the first visit" (Vol. I, p . 642).

But I'm the bad guy for calling a spade a spade. I don't care if the whole blog gets mad at me. I will cal bullshit when I see it, no matter who's feelings get hurt.

I'm out. Good night yall's, love yall's, and even you too Nobs. I don't think you're a bad person, but I do think you've been badly mis-informed.

"Edward R. Murrow on Buchenwald 4/15/45" 10:43

http://www.otr.com/ra/murrow_buchen.ram

//Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 03:29 AM//

That comes directly from the ICRC. Knock yourself out and go look at it. Good night Nobs.

night, mucky

thanks for calling //a spade a spade//

that's all one can ask...

HONESTY!

Cries of "Viva Fidel!" and "Viva Cuba!" could be heard when the Cuban president’s plane touched ground, and the local TV station broadcast the event live.

Annabelle Lee

It was many and many a year ago,

In a kingdom by the sea,

That a maiden there lived whom you may know

By the name of Annabel Lee;

And this maiden she lived with no other thought

Than to love and be loved by me.

I was a child and she was a child,

In this kingdom by the sea;

But we loved with a love that was more than love-

I and my Annabel Lee;

With a love that the winged seraphs of heaven

Coveted her and me.

And this was the reason that, long ago,

In this kingdom by the sea,

A wind blew out of a cloud, chilling

My beautiful Annabel Lee;

So that her highborn kinsman came

And bore her away from me,

To shut her up in a sepulcher

In this kingdom by the sea.

The angels, not half so happy in heaven,

Went envying her and me

Yes! that was the reason (as all men know),

In this kingdom by the sea

That the wind came out of the cloud by night,

Chilling and killing my Annabel Lee.

But our love it was stronger by far than the love

Of those who were older than we

Of many far wiser than we.

And neither the angels in heaven above,

Nor the demons down under the sea,

Can ever dissever my soul from the soul

Of the beautiful Annabel Lee.

For the moon never beams without bringing me dreams

Of the beautiful Annabel Lee;

And the stars never rise but I feel the bright eyes

Of the beautiful Annabel Lee;

And so, all the night-tide, I lie down by the side

Of my darling, my darling, my life and my bride.

In the sepulcher there by the sea,

In her tomb by the sounding sea.

It was real, it was ugly, and millions died. It isn't an exaggeration, it wasn't a plot to get Israel and all that other crap the conspiracy theory nuts put forth.

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 03:29 AM

War is always ugly and bad shit happens every time...Wanna take a good close look at what's gone on in the middle east these last 50 years and we can talk about atrocity?...Now tell me why you don't give a shit about the Romani?

Cuban, US and Honduran Doctors Work Together on Medical Brigades to Honduras

“This brigade set a new standard for Americans to build foreign policy,” said Camp. “We don't need George Bush to set our foreign policy. Here in California we are building a new foreign policy by expanding our cooperative efforts between Cuban and U.S. doctors and Honduran graduates of the Latin American School of Medicine.”

That comes directly from the ICRC. Knock yourself out and go look at it. Good night Nobs.

Posted by: Thoth at July 24, 2006 03:34 AM

I did and I actually read it unlike you obviously.

I can't speak for the blog

(i have too many OTHER personailties too, apparently)

but the only reason you have been upsetting me, Thoth, is because before tonight anyway, you have been a first class jerk to me on the blog.

Im just calling a spade a spade.

Do you think that Fox news invented media manipulation?

"Edward R. Murrow on Buchenwald 4/15/45" 10:43

http://www.otr.com/ra/murrow_buchen.ram

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at July 24, 2006 03:34 AM

One of the most important aspects of the Red Cross Report is that it clarifies the true cause of those deaths that undoubtedly occurred in the camps toward the end of the war. Says the Report: "In the chaotic condition of Germany after the invasion during the final months of the war, the camps received no food supplies at all and starvation claimed an increasing number of victims. Itself alarmed by this situation, the German Government at last informed the ICRC on February 1st, 1945 ... In March 1945, discussions between the President of the ICRC and General of the S.S. Kaltenbrunner gave even more decisive results. Relief could henceforth be distributed by the ICRC, and one delegate was authorised to stay in each camp ..." (Vol. III, p. 83).

NOBODY

[consider this a job interview]

if you were moderator of the blog

what would you tolerate

(even when you're having a bad hair day)

Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire situation as far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating that food supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied bombing of German transportation, and in the interests of interned Jews they had protested on March 15th, 1944 against "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies" (Inter Arma Caritas, p. 78). By October 2nd, 1944, the ICRC warned the German Foreign Office of the impending collapse of the German transportation system, declaring that starvation conditions for people throughout Germany were becoming inevitable.

NOBODY

[consider this a job interview]

if you were moderator of the blog

what would you tolerate

(even when you're having a bad hair day)

Posted by: air-ono at July 24, 2006 03:40 AM

I don't want the job.

//I don't want the job.//

is that because...

YOU'RE A HOLOCAUST DENIER

: )

look up the bombing of dresden.

In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it is important to stress that the delegates of the International Red Cross found no evidence whatever at the camps in Axis occupied Europe of a deliberate policy to exterminate the Jews. In all its 1,600 pages the Report does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admits that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but its complete silence on the subject of planned extermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend. Like the Vatican representatives with whom they worked, the Red Cross found itself unable to indulge in the irresponsible charges of genocide which had become the order of the day. So far as the genuine mortality rate is concerned, the Report points out that most of the Jewish doctors from the camps were being used to combat typhus on the eastern front, so that they were unavailable when the typhus epidemics of 1945 broke out in the camps (Vol. I, p. 204 ff) - Incidentally, it is frequently claimed that mass executions were carried out in gas chambers cunningly disguised as shower facilities. Again the Report makes nonsense of this allegation. "Not only the washing places, but installations for baths, showers and laundry were inspected by the delegates. They had often to take action to have fixtures made less primitive, and to get them repaired or enlarged" (Vol. III, p. 594).

YOU'RE A HOLOCAUST DENIER

: )

Posted by: air-ono at July 24, 2006 03:44 AM

Ya .. as it turns out... he is. The IHR is a Holocaust Denying Organization!

Jesus Fucking Christ. Unbelievable!

You fucking evil prick. Anti-semitic asshole.

I think Air O was being serious there.

(Or at least thats what personailty 34.b is telling me.)

Atleast I feel better knowing I was posting the truth from the actual ICRC site and not bullshit from Holocaust deniers and proclaiming it as truth.

At first I thought I was wrong .. I wasn't looking at the right part of the ICRC site .. no .. it turns out I was.

ok, i've managed to subdue my gloom a tad

so if anybody wants me

i'll be in the "where there smoke there's fire & ono"

where that room might be

is anybody's guess

it might be over..................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................here

or somewhere else

Posted by: air-ono at July 24, 2006 03:44 AM

No, I don't deny the holocaust...I question the scope and the cause.

War is a fucked up thing and atrocity still goes on and is still exagerated when it's your side suffering and minimalized when it's the other guy.

Evidence...Iraq.

I don't want the job of moderator on this blog because of the nature of this blog.

I believe in truth no matter how painful those truths may be.

Too many here are more involved with just feeling good and they'll eviscerate anyone that bums them out.

I wouldn't dare hold anyone to my own standards.

ok, nobody

Atleast I feel better knowing I was posting the truth from the actual ICRC site and not bullshit from Holocaust deniers and proclaiming it as truth.

At first I thought I was wrong .. I wasn't looking at the right part of the ICRC site .. no .. it turns out I was.

Posted by: Willow at July 24, 2006 03:54 AM

Uhhh...wtf?

I think Air O was being serious there.

(Or at least thats what personailty 34.b is telling me.)

Posted by: conbo at July 24, 2006 03:53 AM

Google this in whole Connie:

"The ICRC had special praise for the liberal conditions which prevailed at Theresienstadt up to the time of their last visits there in April 1945." from this post Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 03:32 AM

See where it takes you. Then google "The Institute for Historical Review".

Um Nobs.

The halacaust was a huge big horrible hellish
thing.

People have written books to that effect.

Books that collaborate with each other and can be verified through evidence.

In Germany its a crime to deny the Halacaust or even play it down because thats what the Nazi's did at the time and still to this day do.

I would be careful with some of those sites.

sheesh, connie

i'm not the gospel truth

it's called [looks it up in the dictionary]...

PERSIFLAGE (persi-flah'zh)

Posted by: Willow at July 24, 2006 03:57 AM

That's from the ICRCs own docs...

Biedermann agreed that in the nineteen instances that "Did Six Million Really Die?" quoted from the Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities during the Second World War and Inter Arma Caritas (this includes the above material), it did so accurately.

A quote from Charles Biedermann (a delegate of the International Committee of the Red Cross and Director of the Red Cross' International Tracing Service) under oath at the Zündel Trial (February 9, 10, 11 and 12, 1988).

Under oath...the quotes are accurate.

Nobody, for what ever reason, those sites are
not good information.

I have read and read and read on this subject.

One trick of the Nazi's was to have a good part of the camp for visitors. They knew damn well even the most racist people would not tolerate
how they were treating the Jewish people, who were civillians and not prisoners of war either.

Maybe thats what those reports were referring to.

Uhhh...wtf?

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 03:56 AM

That's from the ICRCs own docs...

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 04:02 AM

Right ... "The Myth of the Six Million"

"The ICRC had special praise for the liberal conditions which prevailed at Theresienstadt (Terezin) up to the time of their last visits there in April, 1945. This large Jewish community, which had been concentrated under German auspices, enjoyed complete autonomy in communal life under a Jewish administration. The Jewish Council of Elders repeatedly informed the ICRC representatives that they were enjoying surprisingly favorable conditions when one considered that Germany was going down to defeat during a war in which World Jewry had been the first to call for her destruction. .."

From Google - IHR ... Institute for Historical Review
Site of the world's leading Holocaust denial organisation ... www.ihr.org/ - 102k - Jul 22, 2006

You are posting quotes from an organisation whose mission is to deny the Holocaust. Nice. No wonder I couldn't find this bullshit on the actual ICRC site!

Documents sur l'activité du CICR en faveur des civils détenus dans les camps de concentration en Allemagne 1939-1945 (Geneva, 1946),

http://vho.org/F/b/CICR/index.html

Under oath...the quotes are accurate.

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 04:05 AM

Sure .. to a warped fucking mind .. I bet they are.

You are posting quotes from an organisation whose mission is to deny the Holocaust. Nice. No wonder I couldn't find this bullshit on the actual ICRC site!

Posted by: Willow at July 24, 2006 04:09 AM

No that's not tha article I'm quoting.

nobody

your zaniness is getting out of hand

yah, Nobs.

This is a strange path you are on.

Its good to question.

But not the halacuast.

REALLY, really.

from the article I'm quoting...

The Report admits that the Germans were at first reluctant to permit supervision by the Red Cross of people detained on grounds relating to security, but by the latter part of 1942, the ICRC obtained important concessions from Germany. They were permitted to distribute food parcels to major concentration camps in Germany from August 1942, and "from February 1943 onwards this concession was extended to all other camps and prisons" (Vol. 111, p. 78). The ICRC soon established contact with camp commandants and launched a food relief programme which continued to function until the last months of 1945, letters of thanks for which came pouring in from Jewish internees.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2735

from the icrc...short history

A year later, the ICRC obtained authorization from the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs to send food parcels to internees in the concentration camps whose whereabouts it knew of. It had details concerning about 50 deportees, to each of whom it sent a parcel, and during the summer it received acknowledgements of receipt countersigned by the addressees. The ICRC subsequently managed to find out where other deportees were interned and it expanded its parcel-sending operation. By 1 March 1945, the ICRC had details on about 56,000 deportees, and by the end of the hostilities, 105,000. From the summer of 1944 onwards, the organization supplemented its individual parcels with collective shipments. In total, up to May 1945 it sent over 122,000 parcels to the concentration camps.

http://www.themissing.icrc.org/Web/Eng/siteeng0.nsf/iwpList418/359CC4EF8A1E5C72C1256B66005B2171

Sure .. to a warped fucking mind .. I bet they are.

Posted by: Willow at July 24, 2006 04:11 AM

google it willow...The transcripts of this testimony were available...I posted the original some time ago on this blog...

Biedermann agreed that in the nineteen instances that "Did Six Million Really Die?" quoted from the Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities during the Second World War and Inter Arma Caritas (this includes the above material), it did so accurately.

A quote from Charles Biedermann (a delegate of the International Committee of the Red Cross and Director of the Red Cross' International Tracing Service) under oath at the Zündel Trial (February 9, 10, 11 and 12, 1988).

Nobody,

allow me to pose the following questions to you:

Did the government stage the first moon landing in a Hollywood studio?

Is Elvis Presley dead?

Is Barbara Olson dead?

Seriously.

//letters of thanks for which came pouring in from Jewish internees.//

ok

then they were exterminated

where's the mystery

Posted by: Michael the self-actualized A-C at July 24, 2006 04:16 AM

No

Yes

Probably

//letters of thanks for which came pouring in from Jewish internees.//

nobody reads this as: "then they had a party"

Tonguing you from...

Oops...no...

Night Night, Blog....see ya tomorrow...

XOXOXO

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 04:18 AM

"Probably."

Interesting.

Alright.

No that's not tha article I'm quoting.

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 04:12 AM

Well too fucking bad .. because you are professing this bullshit as truth .. Is this or is this not your post??

The ICRC had special praise for the liberal conditions which prevailed at Theresienstadt up to the time of their last visits there in April 1945. This camp, "where there were about 40,000 Jews deported from various countries was a relatively privileged ghetto" (Vol. III, p. 75). According to the Report, "'The Committee's delegates were able to visit the camp at Theresienstadt (Terezin) which was used exclusively for Jews and was governed by special conditions. From information gathered by the Committee, this camp had been started as an experiment by certain leaders of the Reich ... These men wished to give the Jews the means of setting up a communal life in a town under their own administration and possessing almost complete autonomy. . . two delegates were able to visit the camp on April 6th, 1945. They confirmed the favourable impression gained on the first visit" (Vol. I, p . 642).

Posted by: Nobody at July 24, 2006 03:32 AM

When you google that bullshit does it or does it not lead you here? The Myth of the Six Million.

Is the website or is the website not affiliated with www.ihr.org?? Is the Institute for Historical Review or is it not calling itself "Site of the world's leading Holocaust denial organisation" ???

You aren't going to turn the arguement around .. and you are not going to win. You are posting bullshit from a Holocaust denying organisation.

From the ICRC...

In October 1943, the International Committee of the Red Cross sent a delegate named Jean de Bavier to Hungary. On 17 May 1944, Friedrich Born arrived to take his place. Powerless to prevent it, they witnessed the wave of deportations to Auschwitz of almost all the Jews living in the provinces, which was organized by the SS between 15 May and 7 July 1944.

http://www.themissing.icrc.org/Web/Eng/siteeng0.nsf/iwpList418/359CC4EF8A1E5C72C1256B66005B2171

from the article I site...

The ICRC received a voluminous flow of mail from Auschwitz until the period of the Soviet occupation, when many of the internees were evacuated westward. But the efforts of the Red Cross to send relief to internees remaining at Auschwitz under Soviet control were futile. However, food parcels continued to be sent to former Auschwitz inmates transferred west to such camps as Buchenwald and Oranienburg.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2735

how's this scenario:

the jews received a tenth of the food parcels

which supplemented their crumbs & rat ribs

so it was a banguet for them

then they sent letters of thanks

& the germans distributed the 9/10's to there own

XOXOXO

with a cherry on top, A.

Posted by: Willow at July 24, 2006 04:20 AM

I'm not arguing the conclusions of the author...I'm arguing the citations...big fucking difference.

I found and linked one of the original documents cited by that author...I am looking for the other.

I also noted the name of the ICRC official that testified to the accuracy of the quotations so that you could google it.

I believe that the Vatican also has supporting documentation if I remember correctly...

The letter thing-it was another trick of the Nazi's.

You can say a lot about Hitler, but he wasn't
stupid. Even though he did badly in school at times.

He just needed the right sort of stimulation
to get those juices flowing.

Nobody is qouting actual things that actually happened-but they were cover up tactics by the Nazi's.

Posted by: Willow at July 24, 2006 04:20 AM

also if you look back over this blog when the orignal argument came up some time ago you'll find that I posted same material from an ICRC link...I'm looking for that again as well.

Nobody, that stuff you are qouting is criminal.

It really is.

I have no idea why in the hell you are giving it the time of day.

From the ICRC...

In the last days of the war, ICRC delegates were able for the first time to go inside the camps at Turckheim, Dachau and Mauthausen. They succeeded in preventing last-minute executions, and negotiated the surrender of the camps on the arrival of the Allied forces. The ICRC delegate at Mauthausen, Louis Haefliger, managed to get an order revoked, thereby preventing the underground aviation factory at Gusen (which was part of the camp) from being blown up, together with the 40,000 or so detainees who were in it.

http://www.themissing.icrc.org/Web/Eng/siteeng0.nsf/iwpList418/359CC4EF8A1E5C72C1256B66005B2171

from the article I site...

One of the most important aspects of the Red Cross Report is that it clarifies the true cause of those deaths that undoubtedly occurred in the camps toward the end of the war. Says the Report: "In the chaotic condition of Germany after the invasion during the final months of the war, the camps received no food supplies at all and starvation claimed an increasing number of victims. Itself alarmed by this situation, the German Government at last informed the ICRC on February 1st, 1945 ... In March 1945, discussions between the President of the ICRC and General of the S.S. Kaltenbrunner gave even more decisive results. Relief could henceforth be distributed by the ICRC, and one delegate was authorised to stay in each camp ..." (Vol. III, p. 83).

Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire situation as far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating that food supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied bombing of German transportation, and in the interests of interned Jews they had protested on March 15th, 1944 against "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies" (Inter Arma Caritas, p. 78). By October 2nd, 1944, the ICRC warned the German Foreign Office of the impending collapse of the German transportation system, declaring that starvation conditions for people throughout Germany were becoming inevitable.

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