A

Good show tonight, guys!

You can't tell if that "white blur" that hit the Pentagon was actually a plane. It wut-n't

That right there was one of them 100 yarder missiles.

Anyone who say wrong don't know bout the Jewish conspiracy to build them towers and the Pentagon with explosives built in.

Are there no bastards anymore?

Posted by: Crank Bait at May 16, 2006 10:04 PM

[raises hand]

That Jewish man who owned that there building across the street from the towers? Jew.

Guess what he done said? "The New York Fire Department let that building collapse. They destroyed it."

There it is right there-- one of them Zionists FINALLY admitting that he is robbing our treasury.

the video...been out since 2002 as far as I know.

http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/video.html

The So Called Seder

So Nicole Kidman is now engaged to Keith Urban.

What is it with her and the gay guys?

Imagine their Love-Child...

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle at May 16, 2006 10:01 PM

What's love got to do with it?

Here\'s an interesting picture...

http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=175&page=2

Anyone in the market for a Ipod Nano type device with more storage (6gb, expandable to 8) and that also plays videos? Ipod's first serious competition has just hit the shelves, SanDisk's Sansa e270. I'm not a shill for them, I'm just excited to be getting one this summer. It'll be cool watching the Daily Show out on the beach.

Hello everybody

There it is right there-- one of them Zionists FINALLY admitting that he is robbing our treasury.

Posted by: Typical American Idiot at May 16, 2006 10:08 PM

you\'re talking abotu Dov Zakhiem and the missing 3 trillion bucks right?

\"YOU cybil Nobody are the problem\"

\"you lash out at every one\"

\"dumb ass\"

\"libelous lies in your posts\"

\"you are very malicious\"

\"offensive to almost everyone\"

You make a lot og charges cybill...You say a lot of nasty things about me...Can you point to an instance where I did the same to you?...Can you show me evidence to back up any of your charges?...Any time where I\'ve done what you say that I have?...anything?

Posted by: Nobody at May 16, 2006 09:58 PM

My nick is Cinncinnatus. You sure are having a lot of trouble with english & grammar Cybil Nobody. I strongly suggest that you take that remedial english that you mentioned for yourself.

I posted only the facts of what many have seen you do here. I wasn't nasty at all but truthful. You seem to have a lot of problems being truthful as we have seen and you just admitted that you are a "bastard" in the above post.

You are the one that angerly attacked the facts of what I said without any evidence at all on your part. I offered prudent suggestions and you reacted by your typical harsh personal attack. That is your way but I will not play your malicious game. Grow up child, the discussion is over.

Hello everybody

Posted by: reedabook at May 16, 2006 10:12 PM

omfg...ltns...it\'s damned good tro see you...you been old man!?

Does he look gay to you, Fish? He looks like a blond Tom Cruise, I think.

Hey Nobody, how you doing?

Seattle and ankle-biter reminds me:

http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/suspects/61306

[raises hand]

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I know better than to leave an open-ended question dangling as a straight line. Sometimes I forget.

\"you just admitted that you are a \"bastard\" in the above post.\"

Posted by: Cinncinnatus at May 16, 2006 10:13 PM

as in I was born out of wedlock...dad was away in viet nam at the time of my birth...

but I\'m glad that you\'re quitting now...do have a nice life.

I agree with Mr. Malloy.

He knows what matters. We know that gettin to the bottom of this Jewish conspiracy to launch 9/11 from Israel with a time machine and cloaking device to plant explosives into the Pentagon and the World Trade Center so they could drain the treasury of compensatory damages and use it to launch the war against Iraq are most important.

~~~ Does he look gay to you, Fish? He looks like a blond Tom Cruise, I think. ~~~

Just a figure of speech. I'm not actually saying he's gay.

I'm just saying he would prefer to have sex with men.

Nobody do you believe in communism?

That is a simple answer of Yes or No.

Hey Nobody, how you doing?

Posted by: reedabook at May 16, 2006 10:14 PM

good good...down to only a couple trolls now days...

it\'s much too hot for me today...sweating like a pig...how are you?

Hey Cathy in Seattle? How if things go with you? I haven't talked to you in a long time either.

Posted by: Fishgrease at May 16, 2006 10:10 PM

*blink*

I suppose I should know who Keith Urban is...

[does a quick search]

oh...kay... you're right on the mark, Fish.

It's good to hear from all my old friends.

DWARF DRACULA KNEE-HIGH ANKLE BITER TERRORIZING SEATTLE!

By KIP LEWIS

SEATTLE, Wash. -- Emergency room physicians in this great northwestern city have been dealing with a rash of patients suffering from strange ankle bites. Dr. Scott Moore, an internist at Seattle General Hospital, told Weekly World News.

====

We must warn Chubby, too!!

Nobody do you believe in communism?

That is a simple answer of Yes or No.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 16, 2006 10:15 PM

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Wafers, yes. Grape juice, no.

Hey reedabook, where you been?

"I'm not actually saying he's gay.

I'm just saying he would prefer to have sex with men."

Who "prefers" to have sex with men? If you're gay, you're not attracted to women at all. You couldn't pay me to have sex with a woman.

Nobody do you believe in communism?

That is a simple answer of Yes or No.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 16, 2006 10:15 PM

In what form?

for instance a form of communism is practiced by nearly every family in this country...perhaps you\'ve heard the doctrine...

Share and share alike?

or are you more thinking about as a political system?...

No...although the ideal is laudable...but I say no for the same reason that I say that capitalism doesn\'t work...human nature...or more particular the nature of about 17% of any given population...sociopaths and their enablers...

greed is a killer...No...I\'m more of a neotribalist socialist democrat...

and don\'t start giving me crap about what facists did while calling themselves socialists in the past either because that\'s not socialism.

MSNBC.com: "Oops, again: Britney Spears' new baby gaffe"

Britney has a baby giraffe?

She get it at Michael Jackson's estate sale or something?

Hollywood people are weird, man!

I lost my wife a year ago and have been sort of out of it. I'm trying to get a teaching gig in Alaska Cathy.

We must warn Chubby, too!!

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle at May 16, 2006 10:18 PM

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Don't warn him! Arrest him!

~~~ You couldn't pay me to have sex with a woman. ~~~

And I wouldn't!

It\'s good to hear from all my old friends.

Posted by: reedabook at May 16, 2006 10:18 PM

glad that you stopped by...been thinking about you recently...remembered your style as something I wanted to emulate back in the early days...

Office of the Secretary of Defense/
Joint Staff FOIA Requester Service Center

http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/foi/index.html

you just admitted that you are a "bastard"

~-~-

One could say we are all 'Bastard's of Jesus.'

Damn, that's a band name I gotta send in to my local Radio From Hell program.

Nobody, I think I have to disagree with you, at least in part. Germany's fascists and Italy's fascists for that matter did practice a form of socialism. The question I is the percentage of command economy.

Why would I pay someone to have sex with a woman?

Are you saying I'm buysexual?

*ducks Crank's and DR's response*

Hey cool! I remember reedabook! Hi reedabook... :)

You couldn't pay me to have sex with a woman.

Posted by: Actually Gay at May 16, 2006 10:19 PM

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After mulling this over for a few minutes, I don't have a very high opinion of myself.

The question I is the percentage of command economy.

Posted by: reedabook at May 16, 2006 10:25 PM

A form of...but not what I would call true socialism...as I see facism as being entirely counter to that.

but then again...both the communists and the facists despised the liberals.

Posted by: L1ssalaun at May 16, 2006 09:02 PM
regarding your post about Arbitron

years ago i filled out the booklets and
i mentioned a particularly bad local radio duo.
You know the two that are in the AM drive time and have a back and forth rapport
they have these at every radio station (I think)
In the back of the Arbitron booklets you can write
narrative notes instead of just yes, no, fill in the circle. I really let it rip about these two that were particularly bad, and within one week of arbitron's being released the radio station played commercials that specifically said ?we hear you we hear you" and that radio duo was gone immediately
I?m sure I wasn?t the only one that mentioned them but it felt good to be heard
and those two went on to better and bigger things locally so it was probably the best thing for
everyone.
So Arbitron really does matter -do AAR proud I wish Arbitron would give me the chance

I'm sorry about that, reedabook. I lost my dad a year ago. I reacted by getting snippy with the trolls on the blog. Hope you find what you're looking for in Alaska. I hear the mosquitos are atrocious.

Fishgrease,

High fives!

Hello A

Why do you use such bad english, spelling mistakes and run on bad grammar sentences with lots of ... ... ... ... in them Nobody?

You are the same person that very hypocritically attacks people for typos, slight english mistakes and blog shorthand yet your posts are full of those.

Shame on you

>>You couldn't pay me to have sex with a woman.

Posted by: Actually Gay at May 16, 2006 10:19 PM

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men get paid for having sex with a women? This is new info for me....

You are the same person that very hypocritically attacks people for typos, slight english mistakes and blog shorthand yet your posts are full of those.

Shame on you

Posted by: Anonymous at May 16, 2006 10:29 PM

no...it\'s not a matter of mispellings or typos...it\'s a matter of sentence structure...I write as I speak as most people do...if you speak as you write then you have an interesting accent.

'discussion over' ?

Promises, promises!

You are the same person that very hypocritically attacks people for typos, slight english mistakes and blog shorthand yet your posts are full of those.

Shame on you

Posted by: Anonymous at May 16, 2006 10:29 PM

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Nope, that's me.

I can't tell you how much I hate myself for it.

("...the same person WHO very hypocritically...)

Promises, promises!

Posted by: Tim Lim Bin Gin Win at May 16, 2006 10:31 PM

what discussion over means is \"I\'m changing my nick and continuing\"

Sorry to hear about your father Nobody. I had a political science professor who described the spectrum not as a rainbow but a wheel, with each political ideology having characteristics in common with the ideology to its left and to its right.

>>One could say we are all 'Bastard's of Jesus.'

Damn, that's a band name I gotta send in to my local Radio From Hell program.

Posted by: GBC at May 16, 2006 10:25 PM

OMG, The timing is brilliant with the "Da Vinci Code" and all!

~~~ men get paid for having sex with a women? This is new info for me ~~~

My current rate is 7 cents.

US money only!

men get paid for having sex with a women? This is new info for me....

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle at May 16, 2006 10:30 PM

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I CAN GET IT FOR YOU WHOLESALE!

Hey Nobody!

You who have opinions, damn you for that! You misspell things, intolerable! I think you should be punished, most severely! Now bend over...

thats it..

Now Nobody, I want you to know that this hurts me more than you.... (Slap!) How dare you post positions without fully documenting them! (Slap!) How dare you post opinions without links!!!! (Smak)

there, now go to your room!

The cause of 9/11 is so obvious to everyone:

Jews--> time machine --> Colonel Mustard --> candlestick --> library.

When I see Andy Kaufman at the truck stop in Saint Louis, I'll tell him the MR blog said hello. The 9/11 conspirators hang there, too.

I'm off to truck, folks.

11 Cents for a half n half or whatever they call it.

no...it\'s not a matter of mispellings or typos...it\'s a matter of sentence structure...I write as I speak as most people do...if you speak as you write then you have an interesting accent.

Posted by: Nobody at May 16, 2006 10:30 PM

Why must you always pick fights?

Fishgrease,

Uh, more high fives?

and don\'t start giving me crap about what facists did while calling themselves socialists in the past either because that\'s not socialism.

Posted by: Nobody at May 16, 2006 10:21 PM

It is spelled fascists not "facists".

Do facists have a thing about faces.

That Cathy, did you see the 60 minutes to exposé on the da Vinci Code?

Free samples, of course.

Try before you buy.

haha Crankie (but I'll keep it in mind). What I meant is, who pays them? Is it like how the trolls are paid, like from some kind of fund? Is this my tax dollar at work?

National "Socialism" basically is FOX NEWS populism in service of fascism guised as 'socialism'.

Ernst Rohm SA drew ranks from these bogus laborites, basically a way to coopt Germany's very very substantial trade unions. The war economy made this strategy certain to succeed.

I would suggest the Bush regime has been trying to pull this.

The Nazi's had there own sell out trade unions and real socialist shut the hell up or went to the camps.

yeah, haha you too, Fish

[copying and pasting offer into online journal]

the spectrum not as a rainbow but a wheel, with each political ideology having characteristics in common with the ideology to its left and to its right.

Posted by: reedabook at May 16, 2006 10:32 PM

I visualise it as a triangle placed within the circle...liberalism at one point...facism at another...communism at another

I do agree that each ideal may in fact be melded with any other...

Consider how both communism and facism break down into totalitarianism...

Consider also neoliberalism as practiced by the government of this country...the blend of procorporate facism and liberal small government ideals...

~~~ What I meant is, who pays them? ~~~

The givernment.

FDR started all that crap. Then LBJ.

The great society.

I think it's pretty great, anyway.

It is spelled fascists not \"facists\".

Do facists have a thing about faces.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 16, 2006 10:34 PM

my hands are sore today...thanks for noticing.

All's I know is that I am filing for back pay.

(...is it time and materials?)

Posted by: Anonymous at May 16, 2006 09:32 PM --------Transmission grease may help----

this is a great web site

Why must you always pick fights?

Posted by: Anonymous at May 16, 2006 10:34 PM

To pick a fight you have to be the one initiating the exchange don\'t you?

Would you care to point out where you believe I initiated this exchange?

And then explain how I could\'ve done so with a nick that I\'ve never even seen before?

>>That Cathy, did you see the 60 minutes to exposé on the da Vinci Code?

Posted by: reedabook at May 16, 2006 10:36 PM

No, no time for TV (I'm in school) but I can tell you that I thought Holy Blood, Holy Grail did a better job. In fact, I thought the Da Vinci Code was kinda boring. Angels and Demons by Dan Brown was much better.

Yes,

the Roman Fascist...or Faces something like that

its a big collection of sticks with a big ax on top, Roman symbol of unity of state power. Ancient thing. Its on the back of the American Mercury Dime, which ironically was minted until 1945.

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~~~ All's I know is that I am filing for back pay. ~~~

Did you produce offspring? I mean, we're really talking about a stud fee here, after all.

Kid Pro Quo

Fish, Robert Heinlein saw just such a world. He saw prostitutes as fulfilling a public service and thought that they be compensated by the taxpayer and treated with boundless respect and lavished with cash for the good work they did for the socially inferior.

Hey Nobody!

You who have opinions, damn you for that! You misspell things, intolerable! I think you should be punished, most severely! Now bend over...

thats it..

Now Nobody, I want you to know that this hurts me more than you.... (Slap!) How dare you post positions without fully documenting them! (Slap!) How dare you post opinions without links!!!! (Smak)

there, now go to your room!

Posted by: Tim Lim Bin Gin Win at May 16, 2006 10:34 PM

uhhh...why you touching my butt?

Fasces: set of rods bound in the form of a bundle which contained an axe. In ancient Rome, the bodyguards of a magistrate carried fasces.
The word fasces means "bundle" and refers to the fact that it is a bundle of rods, which surrounded an ax in the middle. In ancient Rome, the lictors carried fasces before consul, praetors and dictators, i.e., magistrates that held imperium (which means that they had the right to command and interpret the flight of the birds). Other people escorted by lictors with fasces were Vestal Virgins, governors, and the commanders of legions.

You are the same person that very hypocritically attacks people for typos, slight english mistakes and blog shorthand yet your posts are full of those.

Shame on you

Posted by: Anonymous at May 16, 2006 10:29 PM

no...it\'s not a matter of mispellings or typos...it\'s a matter of sentence structure...I write as I speak as most people do...if you speak as you write then you have an interesting accent.

Posted by: Nobody at May 16, 2006 10:30 PM

Apparently you don't notice that your sentence structure is as bad as any other poster here. That is what I mean about your hypocritical attacks on others when you are just as bad. You are the last one that should be a hypocrite on spelling, grammar, word meaning or english as you are wrong a lot.

My normal american accent is no more interesting than yours unless you have a backwoods one or you had foreign born parents.

In the eighteenth century, the fasces received a second life, when the young United States and republican France started to use ancient Roman symbols. Both were progressive revolutionary nations that imitated the Roman republican constitution.
The use of fasces by the Italian dictator Benito Mussolini is quite another story. In 1921, he called his political movement Fasci di combattimento, fascio being the Italian word for peasant organizations and labor unions. When il duce chose the ancient Roman fasces as symbol of the fascist party, he was at the same time playing with the similarity of the words fascio and fasces, chosing an ancient symbol, and drawing a parallel between fascism and progressive movements of the past.

I am loving this html stuff.

can we do bold anymore?

How interesting... see the fascist co-opted the labor/republican symbols..

TOM NODDY BUBBLE MAGIC

My normal american accent is no more interesting than yours unless you have a backwoods one or you had foreign born parents.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 16, 2006 10:44 PM

ok...whatever you say cybill...but you might note that I never said \"bad\" I just said \"interesting\"...Are you sure that I didn\'t touch a nerve there cybill?

late peaches!

the show, the first half, which is all i heard,

WAS REALLY GREAT. it was one of the better shows i have heard on this program.

everyone was nice and pulling together and emphasizing strong points and downplaying weak ones. very nice!

I'm back (like anyone asked)...

Anon, how can you seriously take an insult from an obsessive, apparent no-life that trolls a blog 24/7 anyway.

Hello Anonymous. In your last hosted

Posted by: conbo woot! woot! at May 16, 2006 10:46 PM

Josh must have cracked the whip (or AAR management)...

Sorry for the mistake Anonymous. What I meant to say he was that you knew you were in last

Hey....when's GG coming back...oh! Hiya Girl!

Did you know guys get paid to have sex with us? Except for those guys who couldn't be paid for having sex with us, of course.

~~~ He saw prostitutes as fulfilling a public service and thought that they be compensated by the taxpayer and treated with boundless respect and lavished with cash for the good work they did for the socially inferior. ~~~

Heya Reedabook! I join in the "welcome back" chorus!

In that I'm socially inferior, I can easily go along with Heinlein on that one!

Posted by: Nobody at May 16, 2006 10:46 PM

Could you please knock it off now!

It's really, really worn out.

Anon, how can you seriously take an insult from an obsessive, apparent no-life that trolls a blog 24/7 anyway.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 16, 2006 10:46 PM

when did you insult the other troll?...I must\'ve missed that.

can we do bold anymore?

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle at May 16, 2006 10:45 PM

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Come here often?

theshow

I CAN GET IT FOR YOU WHOLESALE!

~-~-

Crank, it ain't sexy to sound sooooo, I dunno...

Desperate.

*snark*

[hat tip to L@L for the snark, o'course]

CAT-SEA!

Truly appropo!

I'm trying to explain to the RFH hosts why I'm a BFOP (Best Friend of the Program), so I can get on the air for a show. Great local, liberal program which receives second highest ratings here for a morning program. I've got the main points down, but, the entry is lacking in the 'wit and satire' dept.

Perhaps I'll try to channel Crank and see what comes of it...

Could you please knock it off now!

It\'s really, really worn out.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 16, 2006 10:49 PM

responding to people that address me?...no...I don\'t think so...

would you sit there while you were called names for a week smiling pleasantly?

Posted by: Anonymous at May 16, 2006 10:49 PM

oh and btw...I only post as Nobody...never as anonymous.

>>Crank, it ain't sexy to sound sooooo, I dunno...

Desperate.

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Speak for yourself, Boi!

;-)

~~~ uhhh...why you touching my butt? ~~~

That was me.

Just evaluating you for me and Crank's escort service.

Just evaluating you for me and Crank\'s escort service.

Posted by: Fishgrease at May 16, 2006 10:52 PM

O.O!

~~~ Crank, it ain't sexy to sound sooooo, I dunno...

~~~ Desperate.

I look desperate!

Just evaluating you for me and Crank\'s escort service.

Posted by: Fishgrease at May 16, 2006 10:52 PM

O.O!

Posted by: Nobody at May 16, 2006 10:53 PM

How to make a cartoon about George Bush

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle at May 16, 2006 10:49 PM

They WISH they got paid to have sex with us...

Posted by: reedabook at May 16, 2006 10:43 PM

Better sex than violence, I sometimes, rarely, ok, never have said...but I believe it... :)

I meant to say was that your last message should have used told the posessive poster's but now its too late for the joke.

Cathy...check this out...it's a short film by Peter Greenaway, the man who did The Falls...

It's only 4 minutes long or so...scroll down a bit...

http://petergreenaway.co.uk/windows.htm

no...it\'s not a matter of mispellings or typos...it\'s a matter of sentence structure...I write as I speak as most people do...if you speak as you write then you have an interesting accent.

Posted by: Nobody at May 16, 2006 10:30 PM

Why must you always pick fights?

Posted by: Anonymous at May 16, 2006 10:34 PM

That is the mean Nobody attack, name call and pick fights with almost anyone method. There is a good reason why he is very isolated from others with mostly only a few blogs to lash out at others with.

Unfortuately that way has driven away many good people from this blog.

I look desperate!

Posted by: Fishgrease at May 16, 2006 10:54 PM

if I don\'t get out of here and finish cooking the roast (beer and balsamic marinade) I\'m gonna be desperate...

Reedabook...I\'ve missed you old man...don\'t make this a one time visit please?

later all...have fun with my fan club...I\'m out.

would you sit there while you were called names for a week smiling pleasantly?

Posted by: Nobody at May 16, 2006 10:50 PM

I've done that...it isn't that big of a deal...says a lot about the name caller too...

Unfortuately that way has driven away many good people from this blog.

Posted by: jen at May 16, 2006 10:57 PM

do you have any idea how nutty you sound?...bubye now...I\'ve got meat to cook.

They WISH they got paid to have sex with us..."

They do though, they get paid with the preferential treatment afforded heterosexuals.

Hiya MAT! :)

Cat News with Smiley Muffin The Cat

This is hilarious....

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/05/apparent-att-mailer-that-went-out-last.html

It was nice to see you again, Nobody. I will try to check in more frequently. I think I'm gone for now as well. :-) :-) :-(

oh and btw...I only post as Nobody...never as anonymous.

Posted by: Nobody at May 16, 2006 10:51 PM

You post under many nicks.

You are a lifelong liar Nobody. You are record as posting many times anonymously and with many other nicknames including other peoples nicks.

Hiya MAT! :)

Posted by: A. at May 16, 2006 10:59 PM

Hola A. : ]

Well y'all have a good day.

This is painful....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YV_zVz--TY&search=ecw%20tommy%20dreamer

Fuckit (free of charge!)

Time for Musics!

From Code 46!!!!

Free Association -- Inside
Outside

Evening again!! My computer freezes every time I try to listen to the show. Did catchpart of it though.

Hey reedabook!! How are you?

CAthy, thanks for the link earlier. I read Holy Blood, Holy Grail when it first came out back in the 80's. I can't find my copy right now to reread it. I'm in the process of reading Angels and Demons now. And thanks to Fish, I was able to read the Da Vinci Code.

Holy Blood was less romantic and more trying to be factual, at least I think. Angels & Demons weaves you right into the story fast and doesn't stop.

They do though, they get paid with the preferential treatment afforded heterosexuals.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 16, 2006 10:58 PM

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On the other hand, I never remember the correct lyrics to show tunes.

Unfortuately that way has driven away many good people from this blog.

Posted by: jen at May 16, 2006 10:57 PM

do you have any idea how nutty you sound?...bubye now...I\'ve got meat to cook.

Posted by: Nobody at May 16, 2006 10:58 PM

Do you have any idea how insanely crazy you usually sound as you continually lie and attack people?

You continually troll this blog picking fights with people and you especially love to attack women. No one wants you here. Go away Nobody attack troll.

~~~ They do though, they get paid with the preferential treatment afforded heterosexuals. ~~~

Why do I not feel pampered?

Posted by: jen at May 16, 2006 11:05 PM

Are you new here? Why is this news that Nobody can be an asshole?

Pregnant Robot Teaches Medical Students About Childbirth

Wonder if Keith Urban knows she still loves Tom...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12823136/

Why do I not feel pampered?

Posted by: Fishgrease at May 16, 2006 11:05 PM

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He meant to write "good looking heterosexuals."

Practice giving birth - For first time daddies

~~~ Keith Urban knows she still loves Tom ~~~

Keith Urban probably loves Tom.

Oh whatta tangled webwee weave!

~~~ He meant to write "good looking heterosexuals." ~~~

Well sure!

Those are some pretty rare fellows!

Duck Travels

eya gang!

was good to see reedabook post.

I guess I just keep waiting, and waiting, and waiting...oh....and waiting...

~~~ They do though, they get paid with the preferential treatment afforded heterosexuals. ~~~

Why do I not feel pampered?"

So it's real tough being a closeted heterosexual, always worrying they'll find out your secret?

black light tattoos

We doing Movie Free Musics, tonight, by the way.

From the closing scene and beginning of the credits in the recent bess pitchure winner, Crash....

Stereophonics -- Maybe Tomorrow

One of the good things about that movie.

Ned Lamont is running against Lieberman in the democratic primary

So it's real tough being a closeted heterosexual, always worrying they'll find out your secret?

Posted by: Anonymous at May 16, 2006 11:13 PM

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Speaking for myself, it is tough-going being sexually attracted to an alien life form.

too cool MAT,

amazing stuff eh?

~~~ So it's real tough being a closeted heterosexual, always worrying they'll find out your secret? ~~~

Never done it inna closet.

Adding it to my list, though.

Needs to be a small closet, though. Otherwise it's like doing it anyplace else, besides, perhaps, doing it on bowling balls and boots that went out of style in the late 70s.

Hola Sunny J.

Has it been hot where you live?

It's been like hot as hell here.

It's cooled down this evening quite a bit.

Went to the Multnomah Falls with my girls today.

>> I read Holy Blood, Holy Grail when it first came out back in the 80's. I can't find my copy right now to reread it.

Hi toniD! A friend of mine gave me his copy back in the 80's which I read, and have re-read a number of times. I loaned it out and never go it back, since then I've replaced it many times, but still lose them through loans. I consider it a good deal.

BTW, unless Lincoln, Baigent and Leigh were lying, I believe them. I have their other books, too, and even spun off into the Dead Sea Scrolls stuff. The official genealogist to Royalty in Europe wrote a book called "Bloodline of the Holy Grail," which is very cool.

Theoretically, if you can trace your family tree back to Edward III, then you are one of "Jesus' Bastards" (thanks GBC for that one!)

From The Big Lebowski, a Dylan tune that was fucking tough to find!

Bob Dylan -- The Man In Me

Very nice work, Bob.

I'll go have a shower...instead of waiting...bbl..

What are you waiting for, Shell?

*I can lick your face!*

Could you please knock it off now!

It\'s really, really worn out.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 16, 2006 10:49 PM

responding to people that address me?...no...I don\'t think so...

would you sit there while you were called names for a week smiling pleasantly?

Posted by: Nobody at May 16, 2006 10:50 PM

I have been a reader here on and off for a while but I finally must speak the truth after seeing how much of an obvious abuser and liar this person is.

This guy has never just sat there pleasantly but has set out to attack others first quite a lot of times for a long time. Looking back on this guy, who would have been banned from every other blog, he has been whining and hurting people here repeatedly for 2 years.

If one looks back in time at his posts here, he has been viciously attacking people with name calling and false accusations for most of those 2 years except when he was gone in self imposed exile. As jen said, his way is one of picking fights. That is what he loves to do.
It is clear to anyone that he has driven away an awful lot of good people from this blog. He is a bad seed that should be bounced from here so that civilized people can discuss things without his disruptive tactics.

Reed Donavan, your web page says that THIS is fine art.

It's not bad, but calling anything "fine art" begs argument.

Posted by: Fishgrease at May 16, 2006 11:24 PM

It's on New Morning, 1970 Dylan album...

Free Movie Musics!

From Blade Runner, obviously...

Vangelis -- Love Theme From Blade
Runner

Nice, if you're a Blade Runner nut.

I am.

ya was a beaut allright MAT!

we have the trees for shade so it's cooler.

just got the fans down from the attic, a sign of summer for sure!

Catholic Leaders Need to Show a Little Respect for Freedom

By Debi Ghate

This summer's blockbuster movie "The Da Vinci Code" is set to hit the big screen surrounded by controversy. Some Catholic leaders have asked their faithful to speak out against the film and to boycott it. Some bishops, however, take it even further than that. Archbishop Angelo Amato, a high-ranking Catholic official, says the movie is full of "offences, slander, historical and theological errors concerning Jesus, the gospel and the Church," which if "directed towards the Koran or the Shoah would have justifiably provoked a worldwide revolt. Yet because they were directed toward the Catholic Church, they remain unpunished." And Cardinal-Bishop Francis Arinze, a Papal candidate last year, added ominously: "Those who blaspheme Christ and get away with it are exploiting the Christian readiness to forgive and forget and to love even those who insult us. There are some religions that if you insult their founder they will not be just talking. They will make it painfully clear to you." (Emphases mine)

In issuing such veiled threats, the bishops are no doubt hinting at the vehement Muslim reaction to the Danish cartoons. In a frenzy of violence, Danish embassies were torched, people were murdered and the cartoonists went into hiding as protestors carried signs with slogans such as "Massacre those who insult Islam."

How can the bishops possibly call such actions justified and suggest that Christians imitate them?

Because, they claim, a person has a right to have his core beliefs respected--a right the cartoonists and filmmakers violated. "This is one of the fundamental human rights," Cardinal-Bishop Arinze pronounced in a statement eerily reminiscent of what Imams said regarding the Danish cartoons: "that we should be respected, our religious beliefs respected, and our founder Jesus Christ respected." The Bishops are demanding respect--but can respect be demanded?

To respect something means to hold it in high regard. Respect is something that we reserve for the people and ideas we judge to be worthy of our love and admiration--we reserve it for what we value. Our respect is a precious commodity, use

To respect something means to hold it in high regard. Respect is something that we reserve for the people and ideas we judge to be worthy of our love and admiration--we reserve it for what we value. Our respect is a precious commodity, used to express our sanction and approval of others and their actions. We respect Thomas Jefferson for writing the Declaration of Independence. We respect American soldiers who defend this great country's values. In contrast, we disrespect, even hate, those who oppose our values. If a white supremacist comes to your town to deliver a speech advocating that non-whites should be corralled and shot, do you have an obligation to respect his beliefs? Or should you speak out against what you consider to be evil, and in favor of what you judge to be good? And other cases are harder to judge. If your neighbor believes that a hard-working Mexican busboy should be deported because he is here without a work permit, do you have an obligation to respect that belief?

By suggesting that there is a "right to respect." the bishops are clamoring that we owe them respect regardless of whether we think their beliefs are true or false, worthy of our admiration or denunciation. Many people, of course, do respect the Catholic Church, but others agree with Enlightenment thinkers like Voltaire, who concluded: "Christianity is the most ridiculous, the most absurd and bloody religion that has ever infected the world." Respect can only be granted willingly, where we judge it to be due, not demanded by those whose ideas we conclude to be false or despicable. There can be no "right" to be respected.

By claiming that their "rights" have been violated, the bishops are calling for their faithful to demand government protection from "offensive" content. By asking that the filmmakers be punished, they are asking for censorship--for the filmmakers to silence themselves or be silenced by force. And their statements make it clear: If the government won't censor the filmmakers, Christians should make their displeasure "painfully clear." "Respect" granted at the point of a gun is not respect at all--it is a ransom for your life.

Our Founding Fathers created a revolutionary system that protect

I'd hate to be a closeted heterosexual, always having to pretend I'm turned on by guys. The thought of having sex with guys would be repulsive for a straight guy, and pretending you're gay would feel like you're agreeing with the idea that there's something wrong with being straight. But you better be convincing in your alleged love of dick, or they'll know you're not really gay. The choice is between being a self-loathing closet-case, or admitting you're straight, risking a heterophobic reaction. Come out at work, and other employees might set you up for a "straight-bashing."

just got the fans down from the attic...

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at May 16, 2006 11:37 PM

---------------------------------------------

(...they're old but they laugh at his Studebaker jokes...)

~~~ It's on New Morning, 1970 Dylan album ~~~

I should have said it was tough to find online.

It was, sort of.

Right now I'm having a HELL of a time finding the song they used in the dance scene in Code 46. The one Maria Gonzales (Samantha Morton) dances so sexily to in the club. It's by Freak Power and is entitled, simply, Song #6 and it is wonderful.

Found the Freak Power CD on Amazon. ONE COPY, USED... FOR 37 bucks!

Yikes!

Reed Donavan, your web page says that THIS is fine art.

It's not bad, but calling anything "fine art" begs argument.

Posted by: Fishgrease at May 16, 2006 11:33 PM

I agree. That was not my wording but I was overruled if you know the feeling. It wasn't the first time as I'm only part of a group.

~~~ I agree. That was not my wording but I was overruled if you know the feeling. ~~~

All the time.

I can't say it's a nice day in my house without being overruled.

Our Founding Fathers created a revolutionary system that protects each individual's rights, including the right to express his ideas regardless of their popularity or whom they offend. Our country is proof that the system works. Catholics can voice their displeasure, even their disrespect, for a movie; filmmakers can present a controversial story that millions will pay to see. Each can criticize the other and peacefully walk away. It is in that spirit that "The Da Vinci Code" filmmakers have a right to release their movie without the threat of force from Catholic bishops. And this is a right the bishops need to learn to respect.

~~~ they're old but they laugh at his Studebaker jokes ~~~

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Google is acting weird...the search, the news, everything.

I wonder if this is the end of the world?

(...they're old but they laugh at his Studebaker jokes...)

Posted by: Crank Bait at May 16, 2006 11:41 PM

LMFAO... :)

Attack Kills 5 Militiamen and 18 Others in Baghdad

U.S. opens assault on wiretap suit AT&T is accused of aiding surveillance

Confidence In GOP Is At New Low in Poll

Posted this one before. It's from the closing scene and beginning of the credits roll in Clerks.

Soul Asylum -- Cant Even Tell

I think Willow is a Clerks nut.

I am.

Posted by: Fishgrease at May 16, 2006 11:26 PM

Honestly? For an engaging dicussion without being right, making wrong, name calling..etc. about metaphysical things...anything in the realm of that area...that is what I've always waited for here...I think... or I'm just tired and grouchy...who knows...

(Snicker!)

Multnomah Falls

Well... I could hug ya, Shell.

Not metaphysical.

I know. I know.

A guy sees a freaking aura every time he thinks about you but still can't think of anything metaphysical to talk about.

I'm fucked up.

Posted by: Fishgrease at May 16, 2006 11:41 PM

You and Code 46!

I have to see it now!

At least you're not extolling the virtues of Nadine in Dateland...

*hugs*...very groovy Fish..

It's ok..I read the news all damn day and I can't think of anything political to say either... :)

Jason Leopold Indicted on Charges of Lying to the Loony Left

Yeah. I got my limits.

They could have Santana playing Samba Pa Ti in Wet Hot American Summer and I still wouldn't like the movie.

Once Rove IS indicted, will you go away??

Or will you just switch to something else to be snotty about.

Posted by: Fishgrease at May 16, 2006 11:57 PM

Doubt the makers of Wet Hot American Summer ever heard any Santana music (except that recent hit he had with the dude from Matchbox Twenty)...

photographychannel

americanphotojournalist

I'll see you all in the morning...

xoxooxox

fiftycrows

BREAKING: HUNDREDS OF VOTING MACHINES BREAK DOWN IN PHILLY!
Train Wreck in Progress as Today's Primary Elections in PA Run Into Big Trouble...
Paper Ballots Being Passed Out, 'We're Dead' Says One Official ... (Who could have forseen such problems?!)

Train Wreck in Progress as Today's Primary Elections in PA Run Into Big Trouble...
Paper Ballots Being Passed Out, 'We're Dead' Says One Official ... (Who could have forseen such problems?!)

Pennsylvania is having their primary elections today and, as expected, the train wreck is underway. As reported by Philadelphia Daily News , hundreds of machines (in this case, those made...

Pennsylvania is having their primary elections today and, as expected, the train wreck is underway. As reported by Philadelphia Daily News, hundreds of machines (in this case, those made by Danaher Guardian) have failed...

BREAKING NEWS: 100 voting machines broken

More than 100 voting machines are reported to be broken across the city, the Daily News has learned.

Apparently, the machines were broken when polls opened this morning -- they keep spitting out the paper tape that keeps the tally of the vote. It is the largest breakdown since we started using the new voting machines.

The broken machines were first reported in the weblog for TheNextMayor.com. Expect more on this story in tomorrow's Daily News.

The local ABC affiliate has more details. Amongst them...

The biggest problems have been at voting locations where multiple failures have been reported.

Ward 12, Division 20 in Germantown is one such location. Judge of Elections Bernard Bibbs followed the routine startup procedure, but neither machine would activate. In one case, the write-in paper tape just unrolled and then refused to roll back up. In the other case, the machine will only beep and do nothing else.

Bernard Bibbs/Judge of Elections: "We set them up the way they're supposed to be run electronically. They've been shut down all morning.... We're dead."

Similar problems have popped up across the city. Machines by the score have failed to operate. In most pla

>>Cathy...check this out...it's a short film by Peter Greenaway, the man who did The Falls...

It's only 4 minutes long or so...scroll down a bit...

http://petergreenaway.co.uk/windows.htm

Posted by: GG at May 16, 2006 10:56 PM

===

Thanks, GG...

BTW, I finally watched to one of biographies on "The Falls" webiste, and now I get it.

Before, I'd only read one of the biographies all the way through, which I thought was just creepy. About a woman who lived next to the orchard, and her kids saw a rag in the year and asked what it was. She called it some weird name, the kids laughed, scaring some sheep, and that night she had her VUE. Her breasts became re-absorbed into her body and the tips of her fingers and toes shrivelled. This is what creeped me out.

It's actually funny, isn't it? I'm still going to see it.

I'll checkout the other one you posted too.

Goodnight, Sweetheart

Iraq: A Depleted Generation

Similar problems have popped up across the city. Machines by the score have failed to operate. In most places, at least one machine is functioning. In those places where all the machines are down, voters can request a paper ballot.

LINK

neat site MAT,

diverse range of stories too.

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at May 17, 2006 12:09 AM

Which one?

digitalfilmmaker

Your pics are always so wonderful, MAT!

nite A.

sweet dreams.

Thank you Fish.

I really love taking photos.

this one A.:

photographychannel

Posted by: akaMAT at May 17, 2006 12:04 AM

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle at May 17, 2006 12:08 AM

It's hilarious, especially if you like British humour....

From Basquiat

Brian Kelly - She is Dancing

LOADS of good musics in that soundtrack!

Thanks SJ...I swear what I said was not a cut to anyone here...ok..I just need nourishment now and then...

Love you all...

xoxox

Why didn't Janeane and Sam talk about this tonight? Damn them for talking about real issues!!!

http://entertainment.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=223393>1=7703

Re: Senator pankerbell

Not only are these fake person spots consistently non-funny, they go on and on and on and on.

Stinky bad - really.

She's actually quite proud of it (Wet Hot American Summer), and supposedly it has a cult following (although I can't imagine a very large one). But I've seen it, or part of it, and it seemed decidedly lame to me.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 16, 2006 09:02 PM

She mentioned she enjoyed making it...as for its quality, she never said anyting...."

Yeah she did, although I don't think she's brought it up recently. I've been listening to the show from the beginning, and she mentioned being proud of the movie quite a few times. As a compliment to the audience (and herself, and her movie), she said Majority listeners are the kind of people who'd see midnight showings of the movie.

I don't know why she likes it so much, my favorite movie she's been in is Romy & Michelle's High School Reunion. She's also done a ton of other movies I've never seen, I wish she'd recommend her favorites for us to rent.

Posted by: Froodish at May 17, 2006 12:17 AM

You're being too nice about it...wretched is more like it...

Cocoon

wise dreams to ye and all blessings

"MEDITATION INCREASES BRAIN SIZE"

People who meditate grow bigger brains than those who don't. Brain scans reveal that experienced meditators boasted increased thickness in parts of the brain that deal with attention and processing sensory input.
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Brian Kelly - She is Dancing

LOADS of good musics in that soundtrack!

Posted by: Fishgrease at May 17, 2006 12:15 AM

That was pretty, Fish.

Goodnight, Dear Shell~

ponte cachas con arnold

Posted by: Anonymous at May 17, 2006 12:20 AM

She has a reputation for bad mouthing a lot of her work...Cats and Dogs is a good example...

Granted, she's never worked with a really great director, but the hacks are the ones who really don't like their stuff being called shitty, because it usually is shit...

Night Shel.

QUOTE OF THE WEEK:

Sow a thought, reap an action.

Sow an action, reap a habit.

Sow a habit, reap a character.

Sow a character, reap a destiny.

- Chitrabhanuji

ya A.

i like seeing in depth discussions,

enjoy it happening in a non forced way.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 17, 2006 12:20 AM

Those Nadine in Dateland clips were painful to watch...

Very bad...

JAIN GODHOOD: The concept of God is very unique in Jains. Appropriate synonyms are not found in English or other languages to express the full meaning of several terms used in Jain philosophy, metaphysics, or ethics. This unique concept also has an impact on the meaning of prayer, bhakti and worship which attach to pure soul and obscure its natural qualities. Pure soul's natural qualities include omniscience and bliss. Based on the type and amount of karma, a soul takes a body form and has four minor categories of karma with it which define the body, life span, social standing, pleasure and pain. The cycle of birth/death continues until the removal of all Ghati Karma. The path of removal of karma is the Jain path of purification or spiritual progress which ultimately leads to perfection or Godhood.

WHAT GODHOOD IS NOT: Jains do not believe in God taking part in creation,destruction, or maintenance of the universe. Also, it does not believe in incarnation of God. Jainism is not Atheism or "Nastika-Darshan" as it is sometimes labeled. Jains believe in God - as the Supreme State of Beings. If western semitic sense of "Theism" is taken, requiring creation theory, then Jains may be considered an atheism but further explanation must be provided. It follows that Jains do not believe in prophets as Creator God's messengers. God is not involved in providing material things to the asking devotee. Thus, the God in Jains may be loosely equated to the Christian or Hindu God (not demigods) minus creation.

She has a reputation for bad mouthing a lot of her work...Cats and Dogs is a good example..."

I don't know how harshly she's bad-mouthed it, but it never really appealed to me, so I imagine I'd only consider it an accurate appraisal. Janeane wanted to be in Flirting With Disaster, but was turned down for being too heavy. That movie I did like, at least when it was new, and it's still fairly interesting, and a lot edgier than Cats. Cats was to be her star vehical after she lost the weight, but it wasn't a big box-office success. After one other failed starring role, she returned to supporting roles. No problem as long as the movie is funny (like Romy). She's also done a lot of obscure dramas, surely there's a few of them she's proud of, I'm curious which ones.

before writers were incorporated

I guess this counts as a Movie Musics...

It's one of mine, from about 3 years ago for a short film I did.

Place One

The short film was horrible, of course.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 17, 2006 12:32 AM

Yeah, I heard about that (her being too heavy)...ridiculous...

Cats and Dogs is a silly little film...no different from any Hollywood "romantic" comedy...

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compass coat

She liked "Steal This Movie!"....probably because she dug the political content...probably knew more than Robert Greenwald (the director) did about Abbie Hoffman...

Violence is spreading like wildfire all over the world and is devouring human life. It is a matter of grave concern to all of us and so our conscience urges us to do something in this direction: PRACTICING AHIMSA in everyday life, creating literature, holding conferences, seminars and increasing the consciousness of Reverence for All Life - these are the ways to peace. And with our sincere practice, meditation and prayer, we create vibrations of awareness of Reverence for Life; in this way, we help nullify the idea of de humanizing war and violence in the world at large.

Bhagwan Mahavira has shown us by the examples of his own life experiences that nonviolence and compassion are the answers for peace and well being. In order to expunge violence, one has to remove it from thoughts, from feelings, from the mind, and from one's expression. Knowing this law of life, we can purify our minds with meditation and understanding, and then with guidance we can help our children avoid becoming victims of this materialistic world where violence is predominant.

death of kevin carter

mobeeline

Place One

The short film was horrible, of course.

Posted by: Fishgrease at May 17, 2006 12:34 AM

And what was the film about?

Inflatable Breasts Dress

Jains emphasize potency of karma as the basic principle of Samsara (relative world) resembling Purva Mimamsa. It also emphasizes that each individual soul is a potential Parmatman (omniscient ultimate state) resembling Uttar Mimamsa, i.e. Vedanta.

GODHOOD: Godhood is the perfected state of soul and supreme manifestation of human excellence. Godhood is latent in ordinary individuals (souls) who become God upon removal of karma by their own effort. Upon complete removal of all four categories of Ghati Karma, the perfected human being becomes Arihanta God. At this state, the God remains human and has perfect knowledge (without bounds of time and space). When the life span of this last body form is completed, soul is said to reach Nirvana or Moksha and is referred to as Siddha God. This state of soul is the ultimate and associated with it are perfect power and bliss.

~~~ And what was the film about? ~~~

I don't remember, really. Something stupid, without a doubt.

Inflatable Breasts Dress

Posted by: akaMAT at May 17, 2006 12:43 AM

Hee!

... and that's the last conversation anyone is going to have with her face...

~~~ That was pretty, Fish. ~~~

Thanks, Catharine. I thought so too.

Nuther one from Basquiat

John_Cale - Hallelujah

John_Cale - Hallelujah

Posted by: Fishgrease at May 17, 2006 12:48 AM

oh. this is good too....!

publicartfund

Long before AAR, I was a big Janeane fan in the mid-90s for her comedy concerts on Comedy Central. I don't know if they originally aired on HBO, and I don't remember how many of them there were. A new one would just show up every once in a while. I'd like to see them again. Loved the public feud she had with Joan Rivers for instance!

HBO should give her another comedy concert. If she was red-hot in the mid-90s, arguably the hottest female stand-up at the time, she should be given another chance. She's morphed into a female Bill Maher now, liberals would love her just as much. Even if she wasn't as political in the mid-90s, I think she still made it clear she was a liberal, and that's part of why I liked her. I'll bet one of the things she dislikes about Cats is it attracted a more mainstream, politically moderate following. I've seen those fans on her message boards whining about her new far-left persona. I wouldn't like them, even if they liked me.

maquilapolis

~~~ oh. this is good too....! ~~~

Hey! I'm very susceptible to encouragement. Especially with regard to the musics in Basquiat!

Van Morrison - It's All Over Now Baby
Blue

John_Cale - Hallelujah

Posted by: Fishgrease at May 17, 2006 12:48 AM

I had to play that one a few times. Fits my mood.

Center for Sustainability

My favorite from Basquait. I've probably posted it here a half dozen times.

Tom Waits -- Tom Traubert's Blues -- Four Sheets to the Wind in
Copenhagen

maquilapolis

Posted by: akaMAT at May 17, 2006 12:57 AM

This looks like it might be good. Where'd you hear about it?

cabinetmagazine

Posted by: Anonymous at May 17, 2006 12:56 AM

Is her standup like what she does on the radio?

Posted by: Anonymous at May 17, 2006 12:56 AM

Friend of mine saw an HBO special she did....she liked it, but said it was mostly rants (not necessarily political ones)....it was interesting, just not particularly funny....

Lots of good links there visual MAT 8-)

Hey there Catherine, Fish, GG and Jimmy!

I found a really cool link to some Visual Haiku.
I'll post the link with the stills and the download quicktime link for the short movie of it.

Last one from Basquiat, I think.

Pogues - Summer in Siam

I haven't seen her stand-up recently, but yeah, I imagine it would be. I think she's funny on Majority Report, but you would have to be liberal and halfway intelligent to dig her, but it's just the same audience as Maher. Janeane does claim there's a bias against female comedians being as political though.

 PSYOP Creates Visual Haiku for MTV HD

It has been said that "God is in the details." That sentiment is strikingly rendered in a series of new station identification spots for MTV HD, co-directed by Psyop's Marco Spier and Marie Hyon. The revolutionary network will feature exclusively HD work and 5.1 surround sound from MTV, VH1 and CMT. Psyop designed six 15-second station IDs which are extracts from a strikingly detailed 90-second film, also to be aired in its entirety on MTV HD.

"This was a great opportunity," says Justin Booth Clibborn, Psyop's executive producer. "MTV asked us to "do our thing" and create a spot that would really push the limits of the format. They gave us their complete trust and support to come up with something very different and unexpected. What we gave them can best be described as a ‘visual haiku,' a spot that is all the more detailed and effective because of its seeming minimalism."

"MTV gave us complete creative license," agrees Hyon. "The only creative rule we had to follow was that it was about music. Our creative exploration focused on the intersection of visual art and sound, and we were determined to create something stark in color and organic in motion. Our task was ultimately to translate the purity of the music into a moving picture. Following that, we approached this project as if it was a video installation, rather than on-air packaging— HD would allow us to create a more powerful and more fully immersive experience. We wanted to create a truly epic piece."

Opening with a stark white background, three jet-black birds fly smoothly across the scene emitting a branching black energy. A spare yet profoundly resonant musical score plays in the background. As a single bird alights on a solitary tree branch it multiplies into a thick, yet leafless tree. A huge flock of birds form a dense mass swirling in the sky, only to suddenly freeze against their desolate landscape and smudge into the bark of a birch tree. The birch is quickly blended into an increasingly dense forest of black and white trees, which is overrun by an even denser flock of the black birds. As the screen turns almost entirely to ebony, a few stray spots of white form a refle

The crowd at the annual meeting of the Michigan Trial Lawyers Association came to its feet this weekend at the news that senior presidential adviser Karl Rove had been indicted on perjury charges in the CIA leak case. Trouble is, it wasn't true.

The rumor appears to have been started by a left-wing Web site called, of all things, Truthout.org, which reported that Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald went over the charges with Rove's attorney for 15 hours on Friday, and that Rove later informed the White House of his impending resignation.

Rove's lawyer says no such meeting occurred and that Fitzgerald was in Chicago on Friday. And a spokesman for Rove denied any such conversations with White House officials. Truthout.org, meanwhile, says it stands by its story.

 PSYOP Creates Visual Haiku for MTV HD

Opening with a stark white background, three jet-black birds fly smoothly across the scene emitting a branching black energy. A spare yet profoundly resonant musical score plays in the background. As a single bird alights on a solitary tree branch it multiplies into a thick, yet leafless tree. A huge flock of birds form a dense mass swirling in the sky, only to suddenly freeze against their desolate landscape and smudge into the bark of a birch tree. The birch is quickly blended into an increasingly dense forest of black and white trees, which is overrun by an even denser flock of the black birds. As the screen turns almost entirely to ebony, a few stray spots of white form a reflective gloss on the many-feathered wing of a single bird. The piece ends with the bird spreading its wings as it drops a single feather.

Stills & Movie Link & More:

http://www.dexigner.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5851

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pfpix

Nope. I was wrong.

Absolutely the last one I got from Basquiat, I think.

Maybe.

P J Harvey -- Is That All There
Is

As far as I know Janeane hasn't had any HBO concerts since the around '97, but she was definitely very hot at the time. They were calling her the voice of her generation. The Daria cartoon is based on her.

thedevilsminer

Janeane's HBO special had the "Stop Fucking Me" bit.... which was hilarious.

Sweet Jesus she was cute!

Last one from Basquiat, I think.

Pogues - Summer in Siam

Posted by: Fishgrease at May 17, 2006 01:06 AM

Since that is by the Pogues, does that song have an Irish flavor to it?

Insiders say Sam Seder is the inspiration for Ziggy.

Posted by: Great American Patriot at May 17, 2006 01:05 AM

Nice to see you did not get run off GAP.

xxoo!

~~~ Since that is by the Pogues, does that song have an Irish flavor to it? ~~~

Not really. I think they made an effort that it not.

lookbothways

~~~ Since that is by the Pogues, does that song have an Irish flavor to it? ~~~

Not really. I think they made an effort that it not.

Posted by: Fishgrease at May 17, 2006 01:16 AM

except that they sound like they're "pissed" (drunk)

And Josh is the model fo Zippy the Pinhead.

Josh doesn't know it but Bill Griffith owes him about 36 years worth of royalties

wordswithoutborders

I think Cranky will like this site.

By the way the movie link at the link I posted requires the free quicktime player at:

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/

for

 PSYOP Creates Visual Haiku for MTV HD

 mtvhd_90_sm.mov ( 20.23mb )

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Posted by: Anonymous at May 17, 2006 01:12 AM

I read that she tried out for the female lead in Fight Club....that would have been very interesting...I would have liked to see her do that...

siskelfilmcenter

~~~ except that they sound like they're "pissed" (drunk) ~~~

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! True!

Nuther Pogues one (not from Basquiat).

Shelly really likes this one.

Pogues -- Dirty Old
Town

I got that Christmas one of theirs, if anyone wants it.

I saw The Matchmaker in 1998, and I saw her on a VH1 thingy called "burn the video" or something like that, when Vanilla Ice trashed the studio and freaked everyone out. That was cool...

Other than that, I never really knew who she was (until recently). Remembering seeing the trailer for Mystery Men and said to myself "what a load of shit"....so, I didn't see it, needless to say...

Never saw any standup she did....

Posted by: akaMAT at May 17, 2006 01:20 AM

Siskel Film Center? You plan on going, Mat? I've been there a few times...

liked to see her do that...

Posted by: GG at May 17, 2006 01:19 AM

She never could have pulled it off.

She does not have the depth.

>>She does not have the depth.

ME-OW!!!

All very loverly, Fishie....

And now to bed ... I will end playing this one more time...

John_Cale - Hallelujah

arabianeye

ME-OW!!!

Posted by: Anonymous at May 17, 2006 01:25 AM

Easy to say as an Anon,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

J-9 doesn't have the depth to be on stage with Meatloaf?

Ha, ha, ha!

"Bikini lifejackets

My tip for the summer, ladies."

http://twenty1f.com/projects/bikini-lifejackets

Nice to see you did not get run off GAP.

xxoo!

Posted by: akaMAT at May 17, 2006 01:15 AM

Thanks MAT!

LOL! Nah... I have been on boards, forums, IRC, blogs and websites for years so there is almost nothing I haven't seen. The best thing is always to take a few steps back and re energize with peace & love.

Jimmy said that we're all crazy including him.

My reply to him was that most of us are a little crazy but... hehehe...

Good to see that you seem to be doing well know MAT.

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smithfund

Meatloafwas in fightclub, right?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted by: akaMAT at May 17, 2006 01:27 AM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, to you too!

Speak of the devil! hehehe

Hey there maple wood man!

How goes your late night?

gamma-presse

She does not have the depth.

Posted by: akaMAT at May 17, 2006 01:24 AM

Actually... ya never know. I think she might surprise people.

nppa

Goodnight Catherine

sweet dreams!

Posted by: akaMAT at May 17, 2006 01:24 AM

David Fincher is a damn good director...Seven and Fight Club are great films...he might have brought it out of her...

And he wouldn't have let her get away with badmouthing the film or the production....

Gramma, Please!

And he wouldn't have let her get away with badmouthing the film or the production....

Posted by: GG at May 17, 2006 01:34 AM

No way.

She is too self centered.

some kinda art or something

G'Nite Catharine.

I think that because Janeane is a real person who is very introspective, depsite or even because of her idiosyncracies, she would have been quite good in that role. Of course, that's not always why they cast who they cast .. it's about box office.

http://dracharya.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/43.jpg

Brad Pitt was great in Fight Club...

One of his best performances...

Don't underestimate the power of a great filmmaker....can make shitty blowhard celebrity drug addicts give great performances (remember Courtney Love in The People vs. Larry Flynt, directed by Milos Forman, a very good filmmaker)...

Even though, Courtney never followed that film up with anything significant, other than more drug use...a shame...

She is too self centered.

Posted by: akaMAT at May 17, 2006 01:36 AM

I think quite the opposite. She is one of the most self-deprecating people.

*****

OK Night now.

MAT,

You might like some of the High Def mad scientist & graphics super geek Mike Curtis's website with links at:

http://hdforindies.com/

That is where I got the link on the Visual Haiku movie. If you ever need any translation of what he is talking about in his posts I can help you.

Posted by: akaMAT at May 17, 2006 01:36 AM

Little Miss Botox! I loved that line you came up with....

Just thought of that....Janeane, self centered? Perhaps just a tad....

Seven and Fight Club are great films...he might have brought it out of her...

And he wouldn't have let her get away with badmouthing the film or the production....

Posted by: GG at May 17, 2006 01:34 AM

How many good or great films Brad Pitt has starred in?

7even, Fight Club, 12 Monkeys, Troy...

Hey there Chubby oh Chubby Bubba!

How are you there?

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Jimmy would you wear one of those Bikini Life Jackets?

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well i keep getting side tracked by MAT and the gang to all these sites and then from there to others...

getting way sleepy too, put in a lonnng day.

~~~ Troy ~~~

Wasn't a great or even good movie.

Pitt sucked in it.

Looked good, but weren't we talking about shallow?

Janeane is ABSOLUTELY PERFECT IN EVERYWAY!!!

and that's the end of discussion, little miss criticism!

What kind of little digital camera are you using MAT?

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Time for my late night healthy dessert, back in 15

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Jimmy would you wear one of those Bikini Life Jackets?

i think we should do a duet!

I am fine, altho kinda tired.

the last couple days have been tough.

I have to really start cracking the whip on the studies.

and I have a lot of personal stuff and tying up off loose ends to do.

but I thought I would drop in and bother MAT, who so vehemently despises Janeane all of a sudden.

GTG!

PEACE!

nite gang,

love ya all!

Pitt was good in Se7en, Twelve Monkeys, and Fight Club...didn't see Troy...

Meet Joe Black was a turd of epic proportions....

But those first 3 were directed by great directors (Twelve Monkeys was from our friend, Terry Gilliam)...

Janeane can act. Her role on West Wing was just on a trial basis at first, but she got a terrific response and was made a regular. I know *I* would love her best attempt about being a female Bill Maher, because I think she's very funny on Majority Report, and the same things that make her see red are what piss me off too. Maybe the mainstream wouldn't like her, but they're the idiots that put Bush in office twice.

Janeane is ABSOLUTELY PERFECT IN EVERYWAY!!!

and that's the end of discussion, little miss criticism!

Posted by: ÇħűБъÿ۞ßűБъåřąċħ at May 17, 2006 01:45 AM

Yes, you're right....how silly of me....

Honestly, calling Janeane "Hollywood" is an insult....she has a brain and isn't afraid to use it, unlike 95 percent of people on the Hollywood scene....now if she could just choose better scripts....

Jimmy would you wear one of those Bikini Life Jackets?

i think we should do a duet!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at May 17, 2006 01:48 AM

LOL!

Well everyone would laugh for sure but I don't think they would look for long. 8-P

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That Visual Haiku of all those black crows & trees is something. Where is the Quoth The Raven poem?

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What kind of little digital camera are you using MAT?

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Time for my late night healthy dessert, back in 15

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Posted by: GAP at May 17, 2006 01:47 AM

I'm using a FinePix S602Z GAP.

but I thought I would drop in and bother MAT, who so vehemently despises Janeane all of a sudden.

Posted by: ÇħűБъÿ۞ßűБъåřąċħ at May 17, 2006 01:48 AM

Boy are you a drama queen.

I do not hate Janeane I find her to be human like the rest of us. meaning she is far from perfect just like the rest of us.

Put words in your own mouth not mine.

PEACE MAT... sleep well

Night Jimmy you old inflatable bikini snort!

hey hey

Night to you too GAP.

I have to get up for that stupid little part time job in the morning the one that I spend all my earnings on gas!

ugh!

There has got to be a better way to earn a partial living. : ]

I'm using a FinePix S602Z GAP.

Posted by: akaMAT at May 17, 2006 01:55 AM

Probably a Fuji or ?

How do you like it MAT?

There is really good deals now on the mid range 5 to 6 megapixel digital cameras I was lusting after.

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Posted by: Anonymous at May 17, 2006 01:51 AM

I don't know how much of a "response" she got on The West Wing...

She got into it with Lawrence O'Donnell over the unrealistic tone of the show (one of my peeves about the show, and its depiction of political operatives as really good people trying to do the right thing)....

And the show was pretty much over by the time she got on it...its popularity declined over the last few years...not Janeane's fault, obviously...

She wasn't going to be hired as a regular unless she made a splash. She made a splash.

I just thought they signed her for 10 or so episodes...never knew the details...

I only saw her on it once, but she obviously had the spunky dynamo thing down-pat. Typecast of course, but there's only one Janeane.

I'm uploading a few pics I took in the park today to the opera comunity photo album

Hmmm, How can we reduce medicaid and make people think its a good thing? Oh, I know, we'll tell people its better for them.

The researchers concluded that the federal government could save tens of billions of dollars a year, plus improve care, if it took steps to prevent the overuse of health care.

I may be a permanent art teacher by next year.

I'm uploading a few pics I took in the park today to the opera comunity photo album

Posted by: Ç????ÿ?ß???å???? at May 17, 2006 02:13 AM

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Opera community or Oprah community?

http://my.opera.com/kjbowers/albums/?0&edittitle=albums

Isaac Hayes has a new baby

Posted by: Meg at May 17, 2006 02:26 AM

Is it Matt Stone's or Trey Parker's?

I should post Oprah pictures on my Opera site.

anyway, there's my half assed attempt at art.

Night, night...

Or back later...

maybe someday I will make an online albumn dedicated to my visit w/Sunshine and Bar-bar...

http://my.opera.com/kjbowers/albums/

oh. that last one weren't the right link.

Hey when are you gonna post a picture of yer hot self?

Hey when are you gonna post a picture of yer hot self?

Posted by: Meg at May 17, 2006 02:34 AM

If I posted a picture of myself, I'd have to pay extra for the bandwidth.

I'm just that good looking.

Hey gap,

Who in the hell are you?

(tips my cap to the ladies)

or maybe my picture would just have to be a very large file?

I do not hate Janeane I find her to be human like the rest of us. meaning she is far from perfect just like the rest of us."

So what don't we like about her? I think she pesters Sam too much, but he always takes it in stride. I don't know if it's just that he's terminally polite to women, or if he's easy going with everyone. I remember Josh once saying Sam can be "a pill." That was a little behind the scenes glimpse, Josh thinks he can be a jerk sometimes. But he only meant he can be annoying, not that he hates him.

And Janeane can act childishly to the point of it being extremely annoying, but she admits to being immature at times. But it's also that obnoxiousness that makes her funny, she just goes overboard with it sometimes.

anyway, I have to crash.

tomorrow is another big day.

zoom, zoom, zoom!

Well Chubby, I guess you are just that handsome and charismatic. I have a lot of bandwidth!

Anyway, I have to go to sleep. I finally got all the clothes off my bed and I don't have to sleep on the couch.

Gnite all.

Sam's never lost his cool with her, he's never sounded like he was actually mad at her.

Nite Meg!

maybe sometimes we can trade photos

Hi CB...

Don't worry about your weight as a social isssue,

(real people don't care about such crap)

but you should worry about your health.

Oh man, Chubbs!

Those sculptures in that park!

Whoa!

Great pics!

Congratulations Meg on being a art teacher.

The world needs more of those. :)

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Hi MJP, I am kinda here, half asleep.

How are you?

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~~~ Don't worry about your weight as a social isssue ~~~

I don't think he was talking about his weight.

Chubby's ummmmmm....

Packin!

maybe someday I will make an online albumn dedicated to my visit w/Sunshine and Bar-bar...

Posted by: Ç?u´´??ÿ?ßu´´??åra?c?? at May 17, 2006 02:33 AM

Cool...

Did they let you sleep there?

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Night Meg & Chubby...

Have a good Wednesday!

How are you?

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Posted by: GAP at May 17, 2006 02:49 AM

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I'm fine (sleepy as well).

I'm just trying to understand your attack on

Nobody the other night.

I like him.

I'm a hundred pounds overweight (6'3", 300) and usually feel like I've been hit by a truck when I wake up in the morning. Really affects my energy level. I don't worry very much about my appearance, but that's because people don't care that much if men are fat anyway. I'd imagine it's much different for women. The plan is to ride my bike this summer with my first mp3 player.

(6'3", 300)

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I hope you're a nice guy!

;)

8 yrs of sedentary surfing made me gain 50lbs.

Posted by: MJP at May 17, 2006 02:56 AM

Good to hear MJP

I never attacked anyone MJP. I only defended myself after being being harshly falsely attacked. If you would have read the posts before mine you would have seen that. But maybe they were just in a bad mood to have done that and it is only a long past blip of no matter now in years of blog.

How are you this late night MJP?

I'm just about ready to turn in.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 17, 2006 03:00 AM

That you Chubby?

How are you this late night MJP?

I'm just about ready to turn in.

Posted by: GAP at May 17, 2006 03:09 AM

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Tired...

Who are you?

I am a male

I am 33 years old.

I am anglo.

Who are you?

But it also made me gain 50,000 (?) or so MP3s. I don't know, lots and lots, I fill up my hard drive with albums from BitTorrent every month. And also a massive porn collection. Sedentary surfing has it's perks. In the pre-internet days, all of that would've truly cost a fortune.

John Gibson will never eat saliva free Mexican food for the rest of his life.

pre-internet days, all of that would've truly cost a fortune.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 17, 2006 03:15 AM

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Is this CB?

Tired...

Who are you?

I am a male

I am 33 years old.

I am anglo.

Who are you?

Posted by: MJP at May 17, 2006 03:14 AM

Hey, I'm male too.

I'm young middle age, older than you and younger than Sunshine Jim. I am anglo too.

Are you north american? I am.

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John Gibson will never eat saliva free Mexican food for the rest of his life.

Posted by: Dr. No Good at May 17, 2006 03:17 AM

LOL!

That might apply to almost any kind of food that he would eat out.

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Fatty is someone who rarely posts here except during the show. For some reason I felt like sticking around tonight. Didn't listen to Malloy like I usually do, but I'll download it tomorrow morning. Or later this morning that is. I think I am hitting the hay now, goodnight.

I think I am hitting the hay now, goodnight.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 17, 2006 03:26 AM

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'Night guy.

Get some good tunes on that iPod...

I recommend Beatles, Zep, and Stones.

So, anybody wanna lay odds on Gibson's chances of beng fired? I'd say, considering he works for a bevy of racist old white executives, he's more likely in line for a raise and a visit to the boss' country club. Maybe even get a happy ending from the executive massage therapist.

I am anglo.

Who are you?

Posted by: MJP at May 17, 2006 03:14 AM

as in anglo-saxon?

where is the norman-saxons here?

that is a lot of english/french melding you gringos.

~~~ John Gibson will never eat saliva free Mexican food for the rest of his life. ~~~

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Are you north american? I am.

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Posted by: GAP at May 17, 2006 03:19 AM

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Yes, I am.

That is why i have trouble thinking you are.

that is a lot of english/french melding you gringos.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 17, 2006 03:31 AM

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(Laughs!)

:)

I'm a Bolivian-Swedish-Chinese mix.

Known for our superb swimming ability.

wat up blog?

Heya Mucker!

I'm a Bolivian-Swedish-Chinese mix.

Known for our superb swimming ability.

Posted by: Fishgrease at May 17, 2006 03:37 AM

LOL Fish!

Are you sure about that odd combo?

If so, how the hell did that end up in Wyoming?

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wat up blog?

Posted by: muck4doo at May 17, 2006 03:37 AM

Hey there mucky! How are you this late night?

I'm good but about ready to sleep.

I'm Ngeende-Dutch.

Known for our superb ability to weave thru traffic.

me to. wuz playerin sum rumbler roses and thawt ima taker brake an post...

fer wat its werth...

still wundrin ta meself wen evreewunz gonna wize up an vote green an libertarian...

same ole wayste of tyme ima like ta kep my mined okkyoopied with

rumbler roses...

graytest gayme evar!!!!

Howdy, Muck!

Hey, did you or anyone else, see this "new"

pentagon video?

ima sawr it. wuz hoperin it wuld put em kon-speerisy theeries to rest....but it wernt konvincin...

gotta see more posterins now bowt how chainey an teh joooos blew up evreething on 911.

goddam they maker it to eazee...>:/

I saw it MJP.

Those jackers weren't good enough to hit the interior rings of the pentagon. They were lucky enough to be barely above the ground coming in. There is frames of the front fuselage of the plane you can see then kablooey when all the fuel ignites. Pretty awful site to see.

The pentagon is made of very thick highly reinforced concrete. A very thin aluminum tube & thin hollow wings hitting that at high speed would disintegrate pretty good in addition to being consumed by flames.

I read the specs on the pentagon somewhere. It is more than substantial and solid.

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Posted by: muck4doo at May 17, 2006 03:55 AM

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It was bull.

the "video" was crap and a psy-op.

teh vidyeeo wuz krap...an so are em konspirasee theeries. haz aneewun kome forwerd an sed they sawer missel hedin to em pentagon? ima useta live on kolumbia turnpike jus down em street frum teh pentacle...find it hard to beleeve no wunz cum forwerd an sed they saw em missel...

purdee bz street...

but....

"They were lucky enough to be barely above the ground coming in."

Posted by: GAP at May 17, 2006

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You cannot fly a Boeing 757 at 500 mph. 2 FUCKING feet above the

ground. It would be sucked INTO the ground.

Shit.

the "video" was crap and a psy-op.

Posted by: MJP at May 17, 2006 04:05 AM

Why specifically do you say that MJP?

It looks like regular color video security camera footage from the outside perimeter(looks like by parking) with only a few frames applicable as the plane was flying at over 500 mph.

It has to be combined with the testimony of all the eyewitnesses at the pentagon and the information from the plane tracking.

The reason it was released now is because of a freedom of information act formal request by several news organizations & others to release it. It was part of the evidence against moussaiwe, then he was convicted so there was no longer any legal reason to keep it secret.

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then agayne....ima kan go along with em konspirasee theeries an say they blasterd em missel inta there...an shatund evreewun up bowt it...chainey an joooos ran em whole operashens...an jus happent ta picker day when there wuz lotsa muslim radicals on planes....an like mr. nobs wuz sujjestin...cia had actors allin plase to pretend liken they were passenjers all fakin calls to relatives on that day....

sorry...nope...dont buy it.

oh yeah....that wernt osama...that wuz em blak guy to....

sory...nope dont buy it....

"Why specifically do you say that MJP?"

Posted by: GAP at May 17, 2006 04:16 AM

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'cause I think.

//Posted by: MJP at May 17, 2006 04:15 AM//

an metal burns wat? 1000 degrees? an fires in buildins dont burn no hiyer than wat?....

nyoos for ya. normal houses haver tendensee to burn at over 1400 degrees....

therez a difference between fire poynt...flash poynt...an wat shiat aktualy burnz at and its ranje it kan go....

"They were lucky enough to be barely above the ground coming in."

Posted by: GAP at May 17, 2006

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You cannot fly a Boeing 757 at 500 mph. 2 FUCKING feet above the

ground. It would be sucked INTO the ground.

Shit.

Posted by: MJP at May 17, 2006 04:15 AM

By barely above the ground I was talking about 5 to 10 feet or so. The plane was on a long downward path. It was moving at a very high rate of speed into that super thick reinforced outer concrete wall. It looked like there was only 1 frame that had the front fuselage in it before it hit and exploded. With video at 30 frames per second that would make sense time wise as the angle of view wasn't very wide.

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theenk wat ima tryin ta say is drop em konspirasee theery krap stuff yallz are to fokused on an get with em isshues. ya want thes guy outter offise? go on reel shiat then. enuff with thes konspirasee theery krap. hoo needs konspirasees with this lozer? yallz jus maken yoreselves look like frinje elements when ya say stuff like nobs duz about chainey an teh joooos carryin owt 911.

bush makes it purdy eezy...yallz doent konspeerasy theery krap to show wat a cretin he iz

Posted by: muck4doo at May 17, 2006 04:20 AM

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That is not true.

Look it up.

I do understand that any inquiery that is outside

of the "official" does make some folk uncomforatable

My advice to you:

Resarch it for yourself.

Read all.

It's important.

~~~ You cannot fly a Boeing 757 at 500 mph. 2 FUCKING feet above the

~~~ ground. It would be sucked INTO the ground.

~~~ Shit.

What?

Nevermind.

Not in the mood for internet physics right now.

Posted by: muck4doo at May 17, 2006 04:20 AM

What temp does jet fuel burn at muck?

Posted by: muck4doo at May 17, 2006 04:25 AM

LOL! I didn't know that Cheney was jewish muck. That must be all those jews in wyoming! ;)

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Do you dispute that passenger jets flew into the towers of the WTC?

If not, why is it so tough to believe that one flew into the Pentagon?

ima haff red it..and ima red david icke an prisojnplanet an all that krap an itn jus that....krap.

and ima sik an fukin tired of em cretins peddlin this sort of krap on peples to maker buk. yallz doent need konspirasee theeries! aneewun kan pull wun outter their asses! >:(

stik to fakts an that will be enuff to get king jorge impeeched. this kunspeerasy theery krap jus makes evreewunz kredibilitee kum inta kweschen. >:(

~~~ stik to fakts an that will be enuff to get king jorge impeeched. this kunspeerasy theery krap jus makes evreewunz kredibilitee kum inta kweschen ~~~

Fucking exactly.

Amen.

~~~ That must be all those jews in wyoming! ~~~

Oy!

Posted by: Fishgrease at May 17, 2006 04:29 AM

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Not my physics....

It's those damn REAL ones.

Boy, you'd think there would be at least a

skid mark, before the plane "vanished" eh?

//What temp does jet fuel burn at muck?

Posted by: muck4doo at May 17, 2006 04:25 AM
//

yoo know aneetheeng bowt kemistry an flashpoints an burn poynts? a burn poynt duznt meen that that iz what it burnz at an goez no higher...it jus means that dat is da temputure where it stars burnin. wat duz wood burn at? why do howse fires often approch 1500 degrees when wood burns at way less than em thousand?

Democrats are communists.

Did you know that?

Anyone who hates George Bush is a terroreestor!

No passenger jet hit the Pentagon. It was a missle.

Liberals want a 100% tax rate.

The CIA planted bombs to take down the World Trade Center. Jet fuel couldn't have done it.

fg sees it.

The metal in the WTC didn't need to melt.

Heating metal weakens it. Expands it. Bends it. Kinks it. Pops rivits and cracks welds.

And like muck says.

How do you melt metals?

Plastic explosives?

No.

Coke (made from coal) and air.

Coal burns cooler than jet fuel.

Do you dispute that passenger jets flew into the towers of the WTC?

If not, why is it so tough to believe that one flew into the Pentagon?

Posted by: Fishgrease at May 17, 2006 04:32 AM

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I believe the buildings were imploded.

Yes, airliners were flown into them.

I have no idea whom was onboard...if anyone.

I also know that what I saw as aftermath was impossible.

Posted by: Fishgrease at May 17, 2006 04:29 AM

I agree Fish.

There is not many reasons(rare strong downdraft is one) that you can't fly a jet plan low to the ground for a short distance until you run into something like a solid structure or poles or the ground. There have been many jet crashes that have been on a slow downward trajectory. However I wouldn't call it "flying". It is more of a loosely controlled crash path.

Fish, muck and I have read a lot of material on this. People will have their own opinions but they won't be forensically scientific.

MJP a good forensic investigation would include a lot of different scienfic evidence and not a lot of speculation that leaves out a lot of evidence.

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MJP a good forensic investigation would include a lot of different scienfic evidence and not a lot of speculation that leaves out a lot of evidence.

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When was this done?

All steel from the event was taken under guard to the docks

and sold to china.

plentee of relatives will tell ya who wuz on board and ifn they seen there relatives returnin...

and it wuz not impossibel. most enjineers an sientists say it wuz all to possible...but leeve it ta sites like prisonplajt to finder one sientist to say it wuznt possible an yallz all jump on bored with teh quak. wat ima sayin is cut it out! ya doent need konspirasy theeries to take this guy down. hez giverin ya enuff ammo on hiz own. thoze giverin ya em konspeerasy theerys are nuthin butter buncha muckrakers lookerin ta draw yallz in ta make sum buks. aneewun kan maken up em retarded shiat like they do. kwit given to em! ifn ya need wacko konspeerasy thery stuff ta maker yore poynt, then yallz havent ben payin much attension to wats goin on. tune off of david icke an look at realitee! that shuld be ammo enuff!

Hey Guys

~~~ stik to fakts an that will be enuff to get king jorge impeeched. this kunspeerasy theery krap jus makes evreewunz kredibilitee kum inta kweschen ~~~

Fucking exactly.

Amen.

Posted by: Fishgrease at May 17, 2006 04:33 AM

Exactly, peddling CONspiracy theories is a money making industry like that late night con man don lapre. Look that guy up and you'll see a ton of complaints against his operation.

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"yoo know aneetheeng bowt kemistry an flashpoints an burn poynts?"

Yes I do muck. What I was wondering is that burn point of aluminum and how much the fire ball would weaken the hollow soft aluminum tube & hollow wings before it mostly disintegrated.

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Night MJP, Fish and mucky!

Muck,

I wish you well.

But to try and decipher your language "thingy"

AND distill some info from such is too much for me at this

point.

Award winning director, producer and actor Ed Asner is the latest high profile public figure to voice his support for Charlie Sheen's stance on 9/11 and share his own concerns about 9/11, the war in Iraq and the Neo-Cons.

Speaking to The Alex Jones Show Asner, best known for his Emmy-winning role as Lou Grant on The Mary Tyler Moore Show, echoed Charlie Sheen's sentiments in stating, "I became suspicious of 9/11 on the day it happened."

"I will always be that suspect of it and challenge it and challenge various points of it," said Asner.

Asner agreed that the official story of 9/11 and the Kean Commission investigation was a fable and a fraud.

"I do not buy it and I would challenge it, I know all of these points....the standing down," said Asner.

Asner questioned why no authority figures had been fired for their inability to prevent 9/11.

"Nobody in high office has ever paid the penalty for keeping us unprepared for 9/11, no one has paid the price and I cite the fact that Abu Ghraib was another typical example of the way this government works," said Asner.

His public stance on 9/11 and his support of Charlie Sheen helps in the ongoing effort to encourage public figures with large media platforms to step forward and become prominent voices for the 9/11 truth movement.

"Many of the purported hijackers are living persons elsewhere," said Asner highlighting a story reported by BBC and others that several of the so-called perpetrators of 9/11 visited their embassies in protest that they had been identified as terrorists.

Asked who gained from 9/11 Asner answered, "Certainly the military has, Halliburton, Brown and Root, Mr. Cheney's old outfit....the oil companies of course now with record highs, and the White House is of course involved with oil and the military and always has been."

Asner doubted that another terror attack needed to be staged in order to accomplish more of the same agenda.

"They don't have to have another attack, if they indeed launched the first one they have screwed up our country so badly they could just let us sink in upon ourselves."

Asner questioned why CNN chose to cancel his scheduled spot on Showbiz Tonight. After speaking to inside sources within CNN we were able to confirm that the order came down from a higher office to "kill" the story, despite the fact that the issue had generated the most interest Showbiz Tonight had ever encountered.

Asner is a true humanitarian and is an activist in the fields of missing US PoW's, depleted uranium, which Asner suggested was a deliberate population reduction method, and the fight to get the FDA to eliminate deadly thimerosal mercury additives to vaccines.

His public stance on 9/11 and his support of Charlie Sheen helps in the ongoing effort to encourage public figures with large media platforms to step forward and become prominent voices for the 9/11 truth movement.

to china or to aneewhere it aint matter mjp...

burnin poynt doent meen "thatz az high az it goes".

em simple fakt is "yes", islamo fascists hate us. em kweschen iz "how do we deel with it?". it sertainlee aint how king jorge is deelin with it.

wat pisses me off iz that this konspeerasy theery krap twists and diverts wat iz reely at hand and sendz evreewun off on em hunt for em wild goose chaseon watz goin on wen itz all rite ther in front of yallz fases.

Click here to listen to Asner's interview on The Alex Jones Show for free.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/310306asnershares.htm

CHARLIE Sheen has joined the 9/11 gone-bonkers brigade. The "Two and a Half Men" star gave a bizarre interview on GGN Radio Network's conspiracy-minded "The Alex Jones Show," in which he suggested that the federal government was covering up what "really" happened. "It seems to me like 19 amateurs with boxcutters taking over four commercial airliners and hitting 75 percent of their targets, that feels like a conspiracy theory. It raises a lot of questions," Sheen said. "A couple of years ago, it was severely unpopular to talk about any of this. It feels like from the people I talk to, and the research I've done and around my circles, it feels like the worm is turning." Sheen said the collapse of the Twin Towers looked like a "controlled demolition." The out-there actor also expressed his disbelief over how one of the planes hit the Pentagon. "Just show us how this particular plane pulled off these maneuvers . . . It is up to us to reveal the truth. It is up to us because we owe it to the families, we owe it to the victims, we owe it to everyone's life who was drastically altered, horrifically, that day and forever. We owe it to them to uncover what happened."

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix/65825.htm

The metal in the WTC didn't need to melt.

Heating metal weakens it. Expands it. Bends it. Kinks it. Pops rivits and cracks welds.

Posted by: Fishgrease at May 17, 2006 04:40 AM

Yep, you got it, especially after most the sprayed on insulation fuzz gets blown off the connecting girders as the NOVA science special showed along with many consulting engineers and scientists going over n over n over n over n over the science & physics of it. It was multi-sourced many times.

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Waving to N.C. on my way out.

zzzzzzzzz

to china or to aneewhere it aint matter mjp...

burnin poynt doent meen "thatz az high az it goes".

Posted by: muck4doo at May 17, 2006 04:59 AM

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IT WAS A FUCKING CRIME SCENE , DUDE!!

//His public stance on 9/11 and his support of Charlie Sheen helps in the ongoing effort to encourage public figures with large media platforms to step forward and become prominent voices for the 9/11 truth movement. //

yore not lookerin for trooth. yore looken on how ta make bush apeer more evil. he doent need help. so kwit sellin peples a buncher krap an go on fakts alone. ya got moren enuff to support yore cawse. kwit peddlin yore krap to thoze graspin for sum ultimate villain an makerin evreewun look stoopid in em prosess. stay with fakts...it doent hurt.

Before you read this article, conduct this test. Try to purchase some stock, or some futures, a mutual fund or some put options, without providing your identity. Go ahead and try it! See if you get anywhere. Find out what happens when you tell the investment firm that you want to make a huge investment anonymously. It can’t be done.

Then ask yourself this question: How could someone have placed anonymous put options on American Airlines and United Airlines just prior to the attacks of 9/11? Then ask yourself why no one has investigated this suspicious deal. Ask yourself why there has been no attempt by the US government to identify the person who anticipated huge profits from a disaster that was yet to occur. Is it because the trail possibly leads to the CIA?

Then wonder about the collapse of Building 7 on the day of the attacks. Ask yourself why the owner of the building allowed the building to be pulled down (intentionally demolished) hours after the Twin Towers fell. Pulling down a building takes weeks of planning and preparation so that explosives can be safely positioned and wired. Not so in this case. Wonder why.

If you have any doubts at all about the official 9/11 story, then the answers to these questions are all the proof you need that something is very, very wrong!

Independent 9/11 researchers have worked nonstop since the events to examine the events of 9/11 and they have uncovered enough information to seriously challenge the official versions of what happened on that fateful day. But maybe, just maybe, the very fact that massive amounts of information are available is a problem in itself. There may be far too much evidence for most Americans to face.

http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/9_11_-_all_the_proof_you_need.html

ima gointa skip on alexjones. ima get better "trooth" frum chuck jones.

The challenges to the official stories may be too devastating to be processed by the average American who has spent a lifetime believing in the system. Many people can deal with the minor violations that are part of the political scene, but cannot possibly fathom a government that might be complicit in an attack on its own people. They are not unlike the parents who eventually come to terms with a child’s shoplifting spree. The same parents would do anything to deny far more serious accusations. Imagine the response of parents whose son turns out to be a Timothy McVeigh.

Some things are so disturbing that they are almost impossible to believe. That is why, in the 9/11 enigma, less is more. There is a real danger of frightening everyone off by offering too much information. Therefore, if we think of the problem as a chess game, two strategic moves can lead to checkmate.

There are two pieces of the 9/11 puzzle that on their own expose the lies of the administration.

Two questions must be raised so that even the most diehard Bush supporters realize they have been deceived. These are issues that no one can debate or dismiss. These are not conspiracy theories. They are fact-based questions that can lead to exposing the deceptions in the official reports. The apologists have no way to explain these away or justify them. Basically, they offer clear evidence that the official explanations of 9/11 are meaningless

http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/9_11_-_all_the_proof_you_need.html

//to china or to aneewhere it aint matter mjp...

burnin poynt doent meen "thatz az high az it goes".

Posted by: muck4doo at May 17, 2006 04:59 AM

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IT WAS A FUCKING CRIME SCENE , DUDE!!

Posted by: MJP at May 17, 2006 05:04 AM//

yeah...they shuldnta moverd it so kwicklee. but that still aint sayin nuthin bowt em sekund part of me staterment...aint it?

em funnee theeng with em kuntspirasy theerarees...aneewun kan maker wun up.

ima kan say anee bullshiat ima want! an itn up to yoo to proof it aint troo.

Charlie Sheen a wife abuser, a long time drug addict, long time prostitute customer, alcoholic and known liar is not exactly the type of person that could be seen with any kind of credibility.

Now he buys into various kooky konspiracy realms of ridiculousness.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change

but that still aint sayin nuthin bowt em sekund part of me staterment...aint it?

Posted by: muck4doo at May 17, 2006 05:13 AM

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Restate.

And answer me why the steel was spireted away

quickley.

The thermite leaves a BIG SIG I guess you know.

We are in more trouble than you care to acknowledge.

Get up!!!!

I recently watched the film LOOSE CHANGE and couldn't believe what I learned. I thought that I had read and heard everything about 9/11, but I was wrong. This film makes quite a case for an alternate view of what happened on September 11th, 2001.

I found two major media sources that have written about this film so far.

USA Today gave it the biggest write-up to date.

The NY Times also made mention of it.

I watched the entire film on the internet. I dont think many people realize the power of the internet. To distribute a film such as this on the world wide web was simply brilliant. It never would have gotten the backing it needed from a major studio. The internet affords anyone the opportunity to see it, and everyone needs to! In this day and age of information traveling as quickly as it does, hopefully these simple facts from September 11th will reach a greater audience.

I think that any American who has the resources of high-speed internet should not wait one more second to watch this film. If you don't have high-speed at your house then go to the library. I guarantee you that you will see and hear things that will blow your mind.

I'm not saying that I agree with everything in the film or that it is a perfect piece of filmmaking. However, it does make some incredibly compelling cases about a few things from 9/11 over which i have certainly lost sleep.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jason-pollock/every-american-should-see_b_20722.html

For example, the film shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that the World Trade Center buildings collapsed because there were explosions all the way down. There is no way that a fire caused the buildings to collapse. You can see in the video, which we have all seen 1 million times, that each floor explodes as the towers collapse to the ground.

The filmmakers have obvioulsy spent an enormous amount of time researching and going through an immense amount of evidencount of evidence from that day. What they found is very different from what our leaders are telling us.

Another thing that has been hotly contested but virtually proven in this film is that the Pentagon was not hit by a regular-sized passenger plane. What did hit the Pentagon then? Was it a missile? I ask you to watch this film and make your own conclusions.

One thing that the film made me ask was why haven't our leaders raised these questions yet? Why did it have to take a movie that was essentially distributed on the internet to raise these simple questions?

Where are our senators and congressman now? Why aren't they doing more to raise these issues? Why haven't they taken the time to do the research that needs to be done to get to the bottom of one of the most tragic days in American history?

If any politicians are reading this right now, I implore you to take a look at this film and do something about these issues immediately. It is not about your reputation or your poll numbers. Doing what is right will gain the respect of the people every time.

I think that we should all demand answers from our government and our leaders about 9/11. These issues are not too old to re-hash and we as Americans owe it to ourselves and to the history books to get to the bottom of what really happened on September 11th, 2001. I for one am not satisfied with what we have been told.

Frankly, given Bush's track record during his presidency, I feel we should probably be taking another look at almost everything that has come out of his mouth. September 11th is an American tragedy of monumental proportions and its not enough to just file it away and say that we got to the bottom of that one.

In this day and age w

In this day and age where information is being passed around at an incredible rate, maybe we can get some truths out of our government that we were not able to in the past.

Kennedy was assassinated with a "magic" bullet. America has essentially accepted this. I won't even go there, but I will say that we need to take a hard look at what happened on September 11th and this film is a first step in that direction.

Watch the film and make up your own mind.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jason-pollock/every-american-should-see_b_20722.html

Posted by: Anonymous at May 17, 2006 05:17 AM

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Charlie is one brave SOB.

We will see if others (Gibson, Clooney, etc follow)

No matter...You've taken the initial risk, Mr. Sheen.

It does not go unnoticed.

This site sucks ass.

Tom Wisker hosts a program called Weaponry on WBAI on Tuesday night at 1:30 P.M. in NYC.

Found this post on Kos

Military Air expert (4.00 / 2)
on Pacifica radio, Tom Wisker said the plane hit near the roofline which is why the damage to the facade and building doesn't look like an airplane hit it directly (it didn't hit it directly, the wing and part of the fuselage did). And there were eye witnesses and bits of airplane. The jet was travelling at very high speed.

Tom Wisker also explained that when a plane crashes in an open field, the heat dissipates into the air and more of the plane is left....but compressed indoors like at the WTC, Pentagon...the heat is concentrated (all that jet fuel!) and incinerates the plane. Little residue.

The security camera's video isn't constant. It takes pictures at short intervals (like those jumpy compressed videos from astronauts). It's like blinking ....you don't see everything.

Beware of conspiracy theories about the buildings--Tom Wisker said that the LaRouche people are spreading rumors. I heard their allegations about structural failure and building fires and they got it all wrong.

As for the radiation levels, if it is depleted uranium it will stay in the area for like a billion years, so it should still be measurable.

Rest assured, many would love to send us off chasing wild geese so we will take our eyes off the real problems.

Pentagon releases 9/11 video
By Rupert Cornwell in Washington
Published: 17 May 2006
Almost five years after the event, pictures were released yesterday that appear to capture the moment when American Airlines flight 77 slammed into the Pentagon in Washington DC, on 11 September, 2001.

The pictures, obtained by the legal rights group Judicial Watch, consist of frames taken every half second by a security camera at a Pentagon parking lot.

So indistinct are the pictures they are unlikely to quell conspiracy theories on the internet that there was no plane, but a missile, that day. The real question is why the Pentagon blocked their release for so long.

Almost five years after the event, pictures were released yesterday that appear to capture the moment when American Airlines flight 77 slammed into the Pentagon in Washington DC, on 11 September, 2001.

The pictures, obtained by the legal rights group Judicial Watch, consist of frames taken every half second by a security camera at a Pentagon parking lot.
So indistinct are the pictures they are unlikely to quell conspiracy theories on the internet that there was no plane, but a missile, that day. The real question is why the Pentagon blocked their release for so long.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article485496.ece

Posted by: Jon at May 17, 2006 05:28 AM

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You sound the distbured "deep" guy.

Wanna say sumthing else?

no, it shuldnt a ben shipt away so kwickly, but, like all gud konspeerasy theeries do, this wunz werked itn majik mojo on ya. yer mindz ben diverted...

insted of lookerin at em problem an how ta fix it, yore now fokust on "wuz there reely em problem? mebbe we did it. ima hate dis guy sooo much ima theenk he inventerd herpeez if alexjones sez so. wat is teh trooth? wats goin on. did bush an chainey do this? wuz teh joooos involvert to? ima theenk that wuz em missel...letn us dubla chek..."

do yallz heer em demz sayin thisn kinda krap?

no ya doent. guesn why?

yallz kan mdeside for yerselves. looken fer solushens to "reality" az we know it.

or...go tryin ta make nyoo realitees to fit yore pipe dreems.

yore choyse...

welcum to da late nite kookie konspiracy konmen selling alongside all da other late nite crap like no money down real estate scams, worlds greatest vitamin scam, pieces of fitness junk and more scams

//This site sucks ass.

Posted by: Jon at May 17, 2006 05:28 AM
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an no wun invited ya so go away ifn ya doent like it.

~~~ The filmmakers have obvioulsy spent an enormous amount of time researching and going through an immense amount of evidencount of evidence from that day. ~~~

*vomit*

Sibel Edmonds, a 32-year-old Turkish-American, was hired as a translator by the FBI shortly after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 because of her knowledge of Middle Eastern languages. She was fired less than a year later in March 2002 for reporting shoddy work and security breaches to her supervisors that could have prevented those attacks.

Edmonds has been fighting the corruption permeating the FBI since her unfair dismissal and sued to contest her firing in July 2002. On July 6, 2004 , Judge Reggie Walton in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia dismissed Edmonds' case, citing the government's state secrets privilege. The American Civil Liberties Union is representing Edmonds in her appeal of that ruling. Oral arguments in the case are scheduled for April 21, 2005.

The privilege, when properly invoked, permits the government to block the release in litigation of any material that, if disclosed, would cause harm to national security. However, the government has employed the privilege to dismiss Edmonds' entire case in an effort to protect itself from embarrassment. While an FBI translator, Edmonds discovered poorly translated documents relevant to the 9-11 attacks and reported the shoddy work to her supervisors. She also expressed concerns about a co-worker who had previously worked for an organization under FBI surveillance and had a relationship with a foreign intelligence officer also under surveillance. In addition, Edmonds claimed that she was told to work slowly to give the appearance that the agency was overworked so it would receive a larger budget, despite a large backlog of documents that needed translating.

Even though she followed all appropriate procedures for reporting her concerns up the chain of command, Edmonds was retaliated against and fired. After her termination, many of Edmonds' allegations were confirmed by the FBI in unclassified briefings to Congress. More than two years later, in May 2004, the Justice Department retroactively classified Edmonds' briefings, as well as the FBI briefings, and forced Members of Congress who had the information posted on their Web sites to remove the documents.

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