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Thanks Not not sam!

man those long threads are killers if your on dial-up!

Posted by: akaMAT warming portland at August 20, 2005 11:56 AM

on a personal note, I think Iraqi federalism is a bad idea but, you know... whatever yall work out... good luck and so forth...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 20, 2005 11:57 AM

No rain again today!

I have been here two bloody weeks and it has misted one morning then got really hot in the afternoon.

The sun does not go down all the way till sometime after 9:00pm

What's up with that.

Posted by: akaMAT warming portland at August 20, 2005 11:58 AM

Hell yea. I'm with Janeane on that one.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 11:58 AM

When did you get out of jail -B?

Posted by: akaMAT warming portland at August 20, 2005 11:58 AM

huh? (the lamest weekend neocon PR job EVER)

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=afEzqvzSLzws&refer=top_world_news

Bush Says US Must Honor Troops' Sacrifice, Finish Job in Iraq

Bush Says U.S. Must Honor Troops' Sacrifice, Finish Job in Iraq

Aug. 20 (Bloomberg) -- President George W. Bush said the U.S. will prevail in the battle to bring freedom to Iraq as anti- war protesters outside his Texas ranch demand that he bring the troops home.

``We must finish the task that our troops have given their lives for and honor their sacrifice by completing their mission,'' Bush said in his regular Saturday radio address. ``We can be confident in the ultimate triumph of our cause, because we know that freedom is the future of every nation.''

Public opinion polls show the administration losing support on Iraq as attacks by insurgents have mounted. Six U.S. soldiers were killed in combat in Iraq this week, bringing total U.S. deaths there to 1,861. Critics say Bush needs to shift his strategy.

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 11:59 AM

I don't think William Green should play, but I'm not the coach right?

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 11:59 AM

hee hee!

thanks Josh! appreciate

the new thread bud and good mornin!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at August 20, 2005 12:00 PM

And the basis for her P.R. problem..


Posted by: War Dog at August 20, 2005 11:49 AM

It's amazing how much just sails right over your head.

HAHAHA

Posted by: Kevin at August 20, 2005 12:01 PM

Found a little mouse or shrew on my front steps that someone has poisoned. Dog people suck.

Posted by: akaMAT warming portland at August 20, 2005 12:01 PM

eya MAT

gimme a call!

604 864 8649

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at August 20, 2005 12:01 PM

eya MAT

gimme a call!

this the correct # 604 864 9649

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at August 20, 2005 12:03 PM

Seems to me that that would be the fair thing to do.. Your standard complaint would be that we mold them into our own shape.. Freedom to choose.. What do you fear?

Posted by: War Dog at August 20, 2005 11:52 AM

Hey genius, in theocracy, the people does NOT have the freedom to choose what laws to implement. The law has been written and it's set. It's the holy book.


Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 12:03 PM

I'll tell you wat, Mat.

My company must really think the Feds got the weight of a thousand shields and oaths...


The way they corner me on these ships.

Now I got co-workers in on this second class first class citizen bullshit.

Yea.

They really think they're special because they're on the outside of the box...

But I don't see any Due Process, do you?

Just a de facto Democrat Leader in a leaderless society.

i wish I had the votes, but maybe I'm in denial too.

Better to be in denial. At least I could slink away in the corner somewhere, be suppressed and oppressed, and most importantly...right with 20/20 hindsight.

Ha!

Yea.

Real sore loser I am. That's why your President is hiding.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 12:05 PM

Hi Sunny J.

I just got internet and a phone yesterday.

I have had to make phone calls and do the online ordering for the Daughters and me.

the pets are all sick and freaked out. Husbot is in SD.

Call ya when I can get a chance, waiting for a phone call from husbot at the momment and doing laundry.

I'm trying to figure out what to do for the shrew or mouse I feel bad for it shaking and scared and posioned.

Posted by: akaMAT at August 20, 2005 12:05 PM


This Democracy thing seems to have legs..

Wonder why all these folks are tryin freedom..

Could Bush have been right all along?????

Could this have happen with Saddam payin for bombers in Israel????


=================================================

Palestinian elections to be held Jan. 25

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip -- Palestinian parliamentary elections will be held Jan. 25, Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas announced Saturday.

The elections were initially to have been held in July, but were postponed indefinitely because of Israel's Gaza pullout. In setting a firm date, Abbas was making a conciliatory gesture to his political rival, Hamas, which is expected to make a strong showing in the vote.

"The parliamentary election will take place in all of the homeland districts on Wednesday, Jan. 25, 2006," Abbas told a "model parliament" of high school students in Gaza City on Saturday.

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 12:06 PM

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 12:06 PM

Bitter?

I got back a couple of weeks ago.

Now watch me take the fifth on your other questions, smart ass.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 12:06 PM

Check out War Dog.

This is Rove in action.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 12:08 PM

Now watch me take the fifth on your other questions, smart ass.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 12:06 PM

No, just wondering, you seem a bit grouchy.

But then you always have had a chip on your ass!

Posted by: akaMAT warming portland at August 20, 2005 12:08 PM

Point taken Mat.

No. But seriously.

Check out War Dog.

He, she...it. Whatever it is...might be a whole God damn boardroom for all I know...

They take one Gerlach statement.

Reverse it 180 degrees and go with it.

It's like the wrong shoe on the wrong foot.

Don't blame me for this. I'm just sayin'.

They're complete morons.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 12:11 PM

Posted by: War Dog at August 20, 2005 11:49 AM

It's amazing how much just sails right over your head.

HAHAHA

Posted by: Kevin at August 20, 2005 12:01 PM

=================================================

I guess so Kevie..

I almost missed the left wing P.R. firm..

Almost seems like an honest broker would not need a left PR team..

But I guess Cindy did..

==================================================


Ben and Jerry's founder pays for PR firm for mother of fallen son

by Mark Hand PR Week Worldwire 19 Aug 2005

Bush: vigil outside President's ranch

CRAWFORD, TX - The PR firm working for Cindy Sheehan as she protests outside President Bush's ranch in Texas campaigning over the death of her son killed in Iraq has been paid for by Ben Cohen, co-founder of Ben and Jerry's ice cream.

The 24-hour media attention being lavished upon Sheehan owes as much to the professionals supporting her as it does to the emotional impact of her story.

Fenton Communications is assisting Sheehan, the mother of a US soldier killed in Iraq, to earn media coverage for her vigil. TrueMajority, a nonprofit advocacy group created by Cohen is paying Washington, DC-based Fenton from the $70,000 that the group has raised so far to support Sheehan's protest efforts.

"Fenton is helping her with straight-out media relations, such as interviews and juggling different requests," said Jason Salzman, president of Cause Communications, which handles media relations for TrueMajority. "She's tapped into feelings against the war that have yet to [be] widely disseminated in the media."

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 12:11 PM

Arguing with these people like Rove.

The philosophy is just let them speak themselves into a hole.

That's it.

You don't even have to think about it. Just let them show the world the hypocrisy.

Some politics, huh?

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 12:13 PM

Ha, ha, ha.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 12:14 PM

Here you go War Dog.

Now put this shoe on this foot...then this one on the other.

There ya' go.

Now you can walk out that door without being an embarassment. Thank you.

Please don't mention you're American, o.k.?

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 12:16 PM

Well let's see here.

I'm not mean, really.

Like I said, I got off the phone with a relative.

It's funny how people are amazed by my guitar playing.

I was trying to explain it earlier.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 12:18 PM

Don't blame me for this. I'm just sayin'.

They're complete morons.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 12:11 PM

that is why I just say NO to War Snob and pals

Posted by: akaMAT at August 20, 2005 12:18 PM

Posted by: War Dog at August 20, 2005 12:11 PM

Hmmmm

Well lets see a Full Blown PR attack by Right-Wing MoonBat Media against an average Woman who wants too talk to the Coward. Yeh I'd say someone looking out for her is justified.

Just shows how afraid the Right-Wing Moonbats are of Average Joe Six-Pack catching on.

Gotta Love It.

HAHAHA

Posted by: Kevin at August 20, 2005 12:19 PM

Please don't mention you're American, o.k.?

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 12:16 PM

=================================================

French..

I am French..!

I run a Drug and Alcohol Rehab in Paris..

We do quite a brisk business..

Mostly folks looking to get hold on reality..

If ya run into anyone who could use our services..

Don't hesitate to send them our way!

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 12:20 PM

I have to free up the phone line.

later

Posted by: akaMAT warming portland at August 20, 2005 12:20 PM

Well lets see a Full Blown PR attack by Right-Wing MoonBat Media against an average Woman who wants too talk to the Coward. Yeh I'd say someone looking out for her is justified.

=================================================

An average Woman..

Jane Doe..

Just showed up after makin cookies this morn..

=================================================


She's a contributor to Michael Moore's website and the Daily Kos.


She's called the US actions in the Middle East "spreading the cancer of imperialism."


She is separated from her husband, Casey's father, who doesn't approve of what she's doing.


She has written that "we have had hundreds of our children killed to gain control of the oil fields."


She has accused the VP of the US of profiting from the US invasion of Iraq - "I know it was “worth it” to Dick Cheney who was the CEO of Halliburton."


She has referred to the Bush administration as "the biggest terrorist outfit in the world."


"You get America out of Iraq, you get Israel out of Palestine..."

She has written to the chairman of Ford to demand that the company "take immediate action to reduce your fleet's greenhouse gas emissions to help prevent climate change."

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 12:22 PM

Y'see I'm one of these whack job people...free lancer, contractor, self-employed types...

Entrepreneur is what they used to call them.

Anyway...I know the CIA is trying to recruit me.

What the fuck ever. Nothing's free.

I'm not going to be an employee if they don't trust me enough to pay me...and I sure as fuck ain't going to get wrapped up in an organization that loosely bases itself around criminal activity.

So who could blame me.

Get out. Go find another job.

Not rocket science there. I mean...look at these mechanics for North Worst Airlines.

What's the beef. Wages.

Does it take too much intelligence to figure out fascists only give a shit about themselves...now the CIA wants me to work for what...duty?

I worked on some government contract jobs because I needed to eat.

Now you'tre freaking out because I'm no longer playing through a $100 practise amp with one distortion pedal?

Ha, ha, ha.

I mean, that's so cherry, man. I mean really.

Ooo. He's so good.

Nope.

It's that you've been listening to musician wannabess play through expensive gear, that's all.

Now you're company is broke. Gas is $3 a gallon...and you're complaining?

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 12:25 PM

Posted by: War Dog at August 20, 2005 12:22 PM

Funny how you make the leap that She has some TV show on FOX.


Pretty Pathetic how Right-Wing Moonbats like too beat up on Women.

Posted by: Kevin at August 20, 2005 12:32 PM

Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter cruising normally
NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, launched on Aug. 12, has completed one of the first tasks of its seven-month cruise to Mars, a calibration activity for the spacecraft's Mars Color Imager instrument.

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0508/17mrostatus/

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 12:34 PM

Funny how you make the leap that She has some TV show on FOX.

=================================================

You and -B could share a room in the clinic..

We have a buddy plan..

A TV show on Fox?

Explain!

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 12:36 PM

Here's that brilliant free expression thing you couldn't come up with yourself, right.

You tried to sway public opinion.

Now it's blown up in your face and your broke, out of a job, and the career is on the skids.

Downwardly mobile.

Had you just followed the old standby...

Demand and Supply.

You wouldn't be in this position.

Do I give a fuck?

Only as long as it takes me to dial-up the blog...post a "free expressive" idea...then do whatever it was I was going to do that day anyway.

No biggie.

Y'all though.

It's your problem, not mine. Distracting me and my co-workers with your pettiness and paranoid fascism, isn't in the interest of the profits of my company.

Pretty simple, isn't it?

Feed them and they will come...as Janeane likes to say.

Miraculous what those words Progressive Democrat mean, don't they?

Y'all almost feel like being the minority should be a permanent job or something.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 12:37 PM

August 18, 2005: “The oil situation is rapidly reaching critical mass. Bush’s arrogance and bullying tactics coupled with the disruption of Iraqi production added to the diminishing supply of oil is leading to a catastrophe here. Gas is shooting up at the pumps and although there are vast amounts of oil readily available in the Strategic Reserve, none of this will be released because the Bush people figure they can sell it for money which will help them out when they retire. Couple this with a growing resistance to the U.S. shouted demands to the rest of the world to obey it’s dictums or else, everyone now realizes that we are a paper tiger and cannot just assault Venezuela as we would love to do. China and Russia are essentially rearming because they are afraid that an irrational Bush, losing power every day, might just launch some kind of an attack on them to divert the rest of the public from their growing, and serious, economic woes. Even the fanatic Republicans are getting nervous at what they elected and many, many members of Congress are beginning to hold private meetings, Republicans especially, to see how to distance themselves from Bush’s suicidal behavior without incurring his Imperial and spiteful wrath. That some kind of a revolt is looming in Congress is beyond a doubt but no one here has any idea of when or how.”

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 20, 2005 12:39 PM

Galactic survey reveals a new look for the Milky Way

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0508/19milkyway/

With the help of NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope, astronomers have conducted the most comprehensive structural analysis of our galaxy and have found tantalizing new evidence that the Milky Way is much different from your ordinary spiral galaxy.

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 12:41 PM

U.N. Agency Findings Back Up Iran Claim

VIENNA, Austria - U.N. nuclear agency tests have concluded that traces of highly enriched uranium on centrifuge parts were from imported equipment — rather than from any enrichment activities by Iran, a senior Western diplomat said Saturday.

The findings support Iran's claims that the material entered the country together with centrifuge parts provided by Pakistan. The diplomat who confirmed the results spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.

"The source of contamination was not related to Iran," said Iran Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi. "We are sure the source is not internal."

The United States has alleged the material was produced by Tehran and the particles were evidence that Iran was experimenting with producing highly enriched uranium, which is only used in nuclear weapons.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050820/ap_on_re_mi_ea/nuclear_agency_iran

Posted by: Kevin at August 20, 2005 12:42 PM

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/08/20/ann-althouse-responds-i-don%e2%80%99t-fact-check/

Ann Althouse Responds: I Don’t Fact Check

Ann Althouse says she isn’t responsible for the content of the editorial she pushed to thousands of Instapundit.com readers because she didn’t fact check it:

Frankly, I haven’t traced down the exact role of Jamie Gorelick as one of the government lawyers who played a role in restraining the sharing of information between intelligence and law enforcement. I didn’t fact-check the assertions in the editorial I cited.

Think Progress writes:

Shaffer’s story [re Able Danger], if it’s true, involved communications between the Department of Defense and the FBI. Gorelick’s 1995 memo was only about communications between the FBI and the criminal division of the Justice Department.

I didn’t fact-check that either.

Everyone can judges for themselves whether it’s right to reprint attacks on someone without any clue as to whether they’re true. But maybe now that we’ve pointed out that her information was wrong, she should let her readers know.

But remember, we are the real problem. By demanding the false smear on Gorelick be corrected we haven’t demostrated “a commitment to civil discourse.”

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 12:42 PM

Well.

It isn't the literary device of Hunter or anything.

But it is what it is.

If you hate my grammar...if you hate my "yuir, your, you're"...

Then I say so be it. I don't have all day to be worried about your college journalism standards.

In fact, I think english was probably the most female of all my classes anyway.

How are these words going to help my skills?

Technically. They don't.

Which is why I like reading technical stuff, because it's the Dilbert in me I suppose.

Just wish I didn't have to feel like I must be ready for Carnegie Hall tomorrow, that's all.

Think you could make a mistake anymore, Jesus.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 12:43 PM

The Bush administration's Top 40 Lies about war and terrorism


(good handout/flyer material)


http://citypages.com/databank/24/1182/article11417.asp


PDF Format:

http://img.citypages.com/imagebank/articles/24_1182/Bush_Lies_List.pdf

Posted by: Kevin at August 20, 2005 12:45 PM

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

☼☼ saturday - red crystal moon ☼☼

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~ Nine in the fifth place means: ~

A withered poplar puts forth flowers.

An older woman takes a husband.

No blame. No praise.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[05:29] Brokedown Palace*

Posted by: ¹³Ъзй at August 20, 2005 12:47 PM

And isn't it these women who know so much anyway?

Nag, nag, nag...

You'ld think the english teachers would just take a pill or something.

But maybe that's unfair. On the whole though, women need to do the math.

Start cuttin' out the trivial bullshit, because somebody needs to scare the bejesus out of these good ol' boys.

They are fuckin' wrecking the country as far as I can tell.

How come they keep talking like the stock market is going up?

And everything is fine?!

Is it just me?

Isn't that clinical like this War Dog?

When did reality need to be so politically distorted...that supply and demand stopped being a universal law?

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 12:47 PM

"What we expected to achieve was never realistic given the timetable or what unfolded on the ground," said a senior official involved in policy since the 2003 invasion. "We are in a process of absorbing the factors of the situation we're in and shedding the unreality that dominated at the beginning."

Swee-eeet, ain't it? "Unreality" we now learn was the problem. Indeed, so bereft of any plausible answers is the Bush Administration that Dubya's handlers perceive another meeting with Sheehan as a sign of mortal weakness. Steely-souled Dubya ain’t about to give in either to terrorists nor to that crazy lady from California, no-sir, no-way, no-how.

The Democrats who yearn to succeed Bush, meanwhile, continue their aimless trek through their private political desert babbling incoherently and erratically. Over there Joe Biden trying out a Field Marshal's uniform for size. Over here, Hillary Clinton rustling her skirts at lascivious video games. And now comes along her husband's errand-boy in the days of the Lewinsky scandal -- New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson climbing into bed with The Minutemen and hoping to ride the backs of illegal aliens into the Oval Office.

http://marccooper.typepad.com/marccooper/2005/08/cindy_sheehan.html

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 12:48 PM

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 12:42 PM

HAHAHA

Typical Right-Wing Moonbat.

Posted by: Kevin at August 20, 2005 12:49 PM

I don't know.

I must meditate on it...like Yoda or something.

Later on fools.

(And it's at this grave momoent in time, that I'd like to acknowledge Janeane's hard work on playing a character...who she exactly is in real life. Like me. The cop wannabee.)

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 12:51 PM

Reporters?

Evidently. “In addition to unidentified U.S. and foreign government officials,” says the Post, “the indictment refers to an unknown number of journalists who were in contact with Rosen and, in some cases, allegedly received classified information….”

The goal, said prosecutors, was to "influence persons within and outside the United States government.” An interesting concept, that---in the context of a spy case. It seems that the 26-page indictment repeatedly alleges that the conspirators weren't merely out to weasel secrets from government officials. They also conspired to affect perception within (and without) the US government in order to "advance their foreign policy agendas."

I’d love to see that list of reporters, wouldn’t you? And I’d also really like to check the leaked secrets against what those reporters were writing at the time.

Just out of curiousity. Just to see if that influencing perception thingy worked.

http://marccooper.typepad.com/marccooper/2005/08/of_spies_and_re.html

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 12:52 PM

How come they keep talking like the stock market is going up?

And everything is fine?!

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 12:47 PM

I haven't updated it since the 18th

I see what you mean.

*********************

AT THE CLOSING BELL WHEN BUSH TOOK OFFICE on January 22, 2001


Dow - 10,578.24


Nasdaq - 2,757.91


S&P 500 - 1,342.90

AT THE CLOSING BELL ON August 18, 2005


Dow... 10,554.93 +4.22 (+0.04%)


Nasdaq... 2,136.08 -9.07 (-0.42%)


S&P 500... 1,219.02 -1.22 (-0.10%)


Posted by: Kevin at August 20, 2005 12:52 PM

http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2005-08/04parenti.cfm

It is not true that the ruling politico-economic interests are in a state of denial about this. Far worse than denial, they have shown utter antagonism toward those who think the planet is more important than corporate profits. So they defame environmentalists as "eco-terrorists," "EPA gestapo," "Earth Day alarmists," "tree huggers," and purveyors of "Green hysteria" and "liberal claptrap."

The plutocracy's position was summed up by that dangerous fool, erstwhile Senator Steve Symms (R-Idaho), who once said that if he had to choose between capitalism and ecology, he would choose capitalism. Symms seemed not to grasp that, absent a viable ecology, there will be no capitalism or any other ism.

In July 2005, President Bush finally muttered a grudging acknowledgment: "I recognize that the surface of the Earth is warmer and that an increase in greenhouse gases caused by humans is contributing to the problem." But this belated admission of a "problem" hardly makes up for Bush's many attacks against the environment.

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 12:56 PM

Families Fill Cindy's Shoes

While Cindy cares for her mom in Los Angeles, the military parents who joined Cindy in Crawford held their own press conference today to tell George Bush that they want answers, too.

"Mr. President, we are here outside your ranch, and we are staying here. We Gold Star Families, MFSO and Iraq vets will remain encamped here until you meet with us - because we all deserve answers. Tell us - what exactly is this noble cause?"

- Mimi Evans, whose son is deploying to Iraq within days

Wonder What FOX will attack this woman with. Mimi sounds like a Commie name.

HAHAHA

http://crawfordupdate.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Kevin at August 20, 2005 12:57 PM

She has referred to the Bush administration as "the biggest terrorist outfit in the world."

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 12:22 PM

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

DAMN SKIPPY!!!!

Posted by: ¹³Ъзй at August 20, 2005 1:00 PM

»I just read an article posted today on LewRockwell.com by artist Robert Shetterly who painted my portrait. The article reminded me of something I said at the Veteran's for Peace Convention the night before I set out to Bush's ranch in my probable futile quest for the truth. This is what I said:

"I got an email the other day and it said, `Cindy if you didn't use so much profanity .... there's people on the fence that get offended.'

"And you know what I said? `You know what? You know what, god damn it? How in the world is anybody still sitting on that fence?'

"If you fall on the side that is pro-George and pro-war, you get your ass over to Iraq, and take the place of somebody who wants to come home. And if you fall on the side that is against this war and against George Bush, stand up and speak out."«

http://crawfordupdate.blogspot.com/

Posted by: ¹³Ъзй at August 20, 2005 1:03 PM

a quick note to nobody.

1) if your secret is worth keeping, why tell me about it?

2) if a person can make pull a POUND (I still think you accidentally typed lb instead of oz) of gold out in a day, why aren't you and your boys doing just that?

3) If you aren't taking advantage of it, why not let me rent a dredge and go partners for a week?

Posted by: ÇhûþþŸ ßûþþã™ at August 20, 2005 1:04 PM

I can hear that squeaky mouse wheel spinning in Baghdad Bob's mind.

Squeak Squeak Squeak Squeak

Looking for some real killer Bush facts showing he knows what he's doing.

HAHAHA

Posted by: Kevin at August 20, 2005 1:06 PM

»"If you fall on the side that is pro-George and pro-war, you get your ass over to Iraq, and take the place of somebody who wants to come home. And if you fall on the side that is against this war and against George Bush, stand up and speak out."«

Posted by: ¹³Ъзй at August 20, 2005 1:07 PM

Dr. Helen Caldicott is an Anti-Nuclear weapons author and activist who's website and organization, The Nuclear Institute, I think is well worth your time to investigate.

She and her organization provide many strong arguments to inform any dialog on a healthy and harmonious future.

I've seen her mentioned here before. She's on C-SPAN2 discussing her work and ideas regarding the ongoing evolution of humankind away from conflict and towards conflict resolution. Her newest book is "The New Nuclear Danger: George W. Bush's Military Industrial Complex."

Human's will always face conflict but it doesn't have to be aggressive conflict against each other, our future can be defined by a new direction: the struggle towards survival for all.

The struggle to see the value in each human life and to treat them with actual respect, not the distorted version the "Cons" want to sell us: they cherish life until birth then ignore it till it serves their purposes not to.

Our struggle (and a never ending one it would be) to improve the quality of life for every child, for every adult.

Our struggle to evolve away from agression and towards cooperation; towards compassion and away from retribution; towards justice, equality and fair play... away from oppression, exclusion and exploitation.

Posted by: Meta Fore [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 1:07 PM

Yikes, I'm Late

Gotta go see ya all later

Posted by: Kevin at August 20, 2005 1:10 PM

I more thing to nobody...

I don't doubt the exixtance of gold in washington, your tales just seems a bit exagerated.

If you want to `win' this arguement, why not just bring a small sample of it with you next time you are through town?

just bring a penny weight or two. and you might as well consider having it assayed somewhere as well.

you have to admit, your tale is a pretty tale one and you shouldn't be too surprised should people not believe it.

and besides, if your sitting on a reserve like you say, the more people who doubt it, the better.

Posted by: ÇhûþþŸ ßûþþã™ at August 20, 2005 1:18 PM

Posted by: ÇhûþþŸ ßûþþã™ at August 20, 2005 01:04 PM

Secrets are tricky. If you don't share a secret in some limited way, it's not a secret... it's just some thoughts, it's your thinking.

In order to become a secret, the thoughts which formulated the ideas that undergird its conceptualization must be shared to "some" but not shared with "all."

Nobody must think sharing whatever secret you're refering to here is important to the maintenance of that secret. The maintenance of a "secret" is the control of its "distribution."

Posted by: Kevin at August 20, 2005 01:06 PM

Can't make no sense at all of that one.

Posted by: Meta Fore [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 1:20 PM

[5:42] China Doll (7/7/84)

fucking sick........

Posted by: ¹³Ъзй at August 20, 2005 1:21 PM

Posted by: ÇhûþþŸ ßûþþã™ at August 20, 2005 01:18 PM

I think that the gold in Washington is the potential of democracy.

Clearly, I'm just discussing my thoughts "around" your conversation and not necessarily enjoining it, per se.

Posted by: Meta Fore [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 1:24 PM

Posted by: ¹³Ъзй at August 20, 2005 01:21 PM

yeeesh... do I really want to see something fucking sick this morning?

maybe later.

Posted by: Meta Fore [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 1:25 PM

Back again.

I got myself a coffee.

Knocked back a twelve pack last night.

Sorta puts me out of the runnin' tonight.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 1:27 PM

it's music.....(winamp)

Posted by: ¹³Ъзй at August 20, 2005 1:28 PM

fucking sick..... like in a good way.......

Posted by: ¹³Ъзй at August 20, 2005 1:28 PM

Posted by: ¹³Ъзй at August 20, 2005 01:28 PM

wheeew...

then I shall partake and enjoy.

bitte.

Posted by: Meta Fore [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 1:30 PM

I drank five cups of coffee yesterday. Cleaned the apartment.

But couldn't come down, so I gave into my weakness.

Twist my arm already.

Now I'm dead in the head though.

Just want to wake up...even though my eyes first opened about three hours ago.

Managed to shower mysel though. Off to a good start there.

For breakfast, I had cinammon gum, garlic flavored snack food. Orange juice. Now this coffee.

I feel like my brain is going to explode.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 1:31 PM

George W. Bush is now consumed by what I call, a

"Full Nixon." The fates have turned on Bush and

are conspiring against him. He is essentially

finished as a politician. Like Nixon, he is

headed for a swift fall to total disgrace!

Posted by: Walter Windshield at August 20, 2005 1:32 PM

I usually stay away from Weekend Events.

I prefer to go to the pub on a Week Day night.

This way...there's nobody around.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 1:33 PM

This way I can discuss my opinions with locals...without being interrupted by things...like people getting fucked up.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 1:34 PM

Are y'all like that?

That's just not a normal statement is it?

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 1:36 PM

Posted by: ¹³Ъзй at August 20, 2005 01:28 PM

I can convert those to MP3s if you think it's useful.

Very nice.

Posted by: Meta Fore [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 1:36 PM

Ogg Vorbis format (works in winamp)

GD - July 7th, 1984 - Alpine Valley Music Theatre - East Troy, WI

Samson & Delilah, Cold Rain & Snow-> Playin' In The Band-> China Doll-> Drums-> Terrapin Station-> Throwing Stones-> Not Fade Away-> Turn On Your Love Light-> Not Fade Away, E: Brokedown Palace

http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=15959

Posted by: ¹³Ъзй at August 20, 2005 1:37 PM

But that's like...what I am.

An information kind of guy, y'know.

I like to think about making money.

And I'm actually in the street...like as real as a guy wandering onto the playground with his pants down around his ankles....

I'm there. Speaking. Talking. Conversating to whoever listens...which typically is 99.999% of the people I meet.

What a political concept, eh?

Town fool.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 1:39 PM

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 01:33 PM

We used to call that "drinking like a professional."

Weekends and holidays are for the amatuers.

Posted by: Meta Fore [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 1:39 PM

Thread. For you all to use to blog about things that you want to blog about.

Posted by not sam at August 20, 2005 11:49 AM


- -

Peace.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 1:40 PM

they also got mp3 links at the archive.org site.....

ogg format sounds pretty good so i've been trying it lately.......

Posted by: ¹³Ъзй at August 20, 2005 1:40 PM

So what was it I was talking about?

Er.

I was talking about the entertainment business.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 1:43 PM

chicken grease...

Posted by: ¹³Ъзй at August 20, 2005 1:43 PM

Posted by: ¹³Ъзй at August 20, 2005 01:37 PM

yep, it opened my audio editing software.

MP3s are fairly universal these days, I'd guess.

If it mattered to anyone, I could convert them and store them at CremeCityPop for a while.

It's especially appropriate since it's well within the purview of my milieu at CCP, being out of an Alpine Valley gig.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 20, 2005 1:46 PM

Posted by: ¹³Ъзй at August 20, 2005 01:40 PM

okie dokie.

The anon was me, obviously.

Posted by: Meta Fore [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 1:47 PM

Very interesting article in yesterday's San Francisco Chronicle (8/19/05) titled "Navy wins appeal in abortion case" by Bob Egelko, Cgronicle Staff Writer, wherein is told how a navy wife, finding out the child (at 5 mos.) she was carrying was afflicted with anencephaly ("a neural defect that results in stillbirths in about two-thirds of cases and is invariably fatal to infants soon after birth) chose to terminate the pregnancy. Navy insurance refused to pay, claiming the mother's life wasn't threatened.
The original suit was ruled in the mother's favor but she then lost when the government appealed.

Geez. Bizarre. The added questions I have are: Was it possible for the birth defect to have anything to do with the vaccines, toxic/radioactive exposure, or other risks experienced by the father while he was a serviceman? If so, is the real import of this case that the Bush government chooses to force the wives of servicemen exposed to depleted uranium, etc., to carry deformed children to term?

Posted by: nora at August 20, 2005 1:49 PM

Which is what befuddles me...because when you see these celebrities talk about the wealth like it's a ride...

I'm sorta like...why aren't these people in Canton interested in good business??

I can't tell you how that fucks with my head...but y'know. People pay for what they get too...so go figure.

There's Hollywood. There's Broadway...

Then there's Martin Luther King Jr. drive in any number of cities across this vast country filled with millions of opinions.

Each one of them just as eager for the ride.

Personally.

I'd just be happy for a cold one...and a garden less expensive to plant and harvest, than it cost at thwe grocery store.

Maybe a windmill to power my television set.

And a beagle named Courage.

But that's me. I don't know.

Somebody keeps telling me Merv Griffith yacht looks cool sitting at the dock.

That's like saying the car is fun to drive, because it looks cool.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 1:50 PM

just go
here for ALL formats......

GD - July 7th, 1984 - Alpine Valley Music Theatre - East Troy, WI

Samson & Delilah, Cold Rain & Snow-> Playin' In The Band-> China Doll-> Drums-> Terrapin Station-> Throwing Stones-> Not Fade Away-> Turn On Your Love Light-> Not Fade Away, E: Brokedown Palace

Posted by: ¹³Ъзй at August 20, 2005 1:53 PM

Y'see.

That's what I like in this new Bill Murray movie, The Aquatic Life.

Where he talks about his yacht, and it's so outrageous it's ridiculous.

Like the bit where the galley has all the wine in it...and he's talking about the "important equipment".

I mean I'm losing it right. Laughing my ass off, because I've been there.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 1:53 PM

Posted by: ¹³Ъзй at August 20, 2005 01:37 PM

Wow, what an excellent archive resource!

Not only do I not have to convert the audio, I don't even need to save the files on my computer!

All I have to do is save the link.

Very nice.

Posted by: Meta Fore [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 1:53 PM

By DR. HUNTER S. THOMPSON

Armageddon came early for George Bush this year, and he was not ready for it. His long-awaited showdowns with my man John Kerry turned into a series of horrible embarrassments that cracked his nerve and demoralized his closest campaign advisers. They knew he would never recover, no matter how many votes they could steal for him in Florida, where the presidential debates were closely watched and widely celebrated by millions of Kerry supporters who suddenly had reason to feel like winners.
Kerry came into October as a five-point underdog with almost no chance of winning three out of three rigged confrontations with a treacherous little freak like George Bush. But the debates are over now, and the victor was clearly John Kerry every time. He steamrollered Bush and left him for roadkill.

Did you see Bush on TV, trying to debate? Jesus, he talked like a donkey with no brains at all. The tide turned early, in Coral Gables, when Bush went belly up less than halfway through his first bout with Kerry, who hammered poor George into jelly. It was pitiful. . . . I almost felt sorry for him, until I heard someone call him "Mister President," and then I felt ashamed.

Karl Rove, the president's political wizard, felt even worse. There is angst in the heart of Texas today, and panic in the bowels of the White House. Rove has a nasty little problem, and its name is George Bush. The president failed miserably from the instant he got onstage with John Kerry. He looked weak and dumb. Kerry beat him like a gong in Coral Gables, then again in St. Louis and Tempe -- and that is Rove's problem: His candidate is a weak-minded frat boy who cracks under pressure in front of 60 million voters.

That is an unacceptable failure for hardballers like Rove and Dick Cheney. On the undercard in Cleveland against John Edwards, Cheney came across as the cruel and sinister uberboss of Halliburton. In his only honest moment during the entire debate, he vowed, "We have to make America the best place in the world to do business."

Bush signed his own death warrant in the opening round, when he finally had to speak without his TelePrompTer. It was a Cinderella story brou

Posted by: In Memorium..."Uncle Duke" at August 20, 2005 1:54 PM

Posted by: ¹³Ъзй at August 20, 2005 01:53 PM

Very cool.

Posted by: Meta Fore [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 1:55 PM

Overture, curtain, lights

This is it, the night of nights

No more rehearsing and nursing a part

We know every part by heart

Overture, curtains, lights

This is it, we'll hit the heights

And oh what heights we'll hit

On with the show this is it

Tonight what heights we'll hit


On with the show this is it

Posted by: -Bugs Bunny at August 20, 2005 1:55 PM

Bush signed his own death warrant in the opening round, when he finally had to speak without his TelePrompTer. It was a Cinderella story brought up to date in Florida that night -- except this time the false prince turned back into a frog.

Immediately after the first debate ended I called Muhammad Ali at his home in Michigan, but whoever answered said the champ was laughing so hard that he couldn't come to the phone. "The debate really cracked him up," he chuckled. "The champ loves a good ass-whuppin'. He says Bush looked so scared to fight, he finally just quit and laid down."

Ali has seen that look before. Almost three months to the day after John Fitzgerald Kennedy was murdered in Dallas, the "Louisville Lip" -- then Cassius Clay -- made a permanent enemy of every "boxing expert" in the Western world by beating World Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston so badly that he refused to come out of his corner for the seventh round.

This year's first presidential debate was such a disaster for George Bush that his handlers had to be crazy to let him get in the ring with John Kerry again. Yet Karl Rove let it happen, and we can only wonder why. But there is no doubt that the president has lost his nerve, and his career in the White House is finished. NO MAS.

Posted by: In Memorium..."Uncle Duke" at August 20, 2005 1:57 PM

Reporters?

Evidently. “In addition to unidentified U.S. and foreign government officials,” says the Post, “the indictment refers to an unknown number of journalists who were in contact with Rosen and, in some cases, allegedly received classified information….”

The goal, said prosecutors, was to "influence persons within and outside the United States government.” An interesting concept, that---in the context of a spy case. It seems that the 26-page indictment repeatedly alleges that the conspirators weren't merely out to weasel secrets from government officials. They also conspired to affect perception within (and without) the US government in order to "advance their foreign policy agendas." I’d love to see that list of reporters, wouldn’t you? And I’d also really like to check the leaked secrets against what those reporters were writing at the time. Just out of curiousity. Just to see if that influencing perception thingy worked.

http://marccooper.typepad.com/marccooper/2005/08/of_spies_and_re.html

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 12:52 PM

--------------And if only they could also charge that REAL facts and news were surpressed and censored any the false information used instead. Now THAT would be a thorough assessment!

Posted by: nora at August 20, 2005 1:58 PM

I'll tell you what.

You want everything in that movie for $900,000 Bill...

I'll get you something better from the Navy.

Nah. Fuck them. They can't build.

You want a show on the networks?

Like an Arrested Development only shot at sea...then buddy...I'm your man.

We'll get you a ship. You're an american hero for Christ's sake.

What do you want?

A 300 ton trawler?

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 1:58 PM

Nah. You're right. Too small.

It's got to be 1500 tons.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 1:59 PM

Posted by: ¹³Ъзй at August 20, 2005 2:00 PM

By DR. HUNTER S. THOMPSON

Hitler thought he was King of the Hill forever. He had created a new master race, and every one of them worshipped him. The new Hitler youth loved to march and sing songs in unison and dance naked at night for the generals. They were fanatics.

That was sixty-six years ago, far back in ancient history, and things are not much different today. We still love War.

George Bush certainly does. In four short years he has turned our country from a prosperous nation at peace into a desperately indebted nation at war. But so what? He is the President of the United States, and you're not. Love it or leave it.

War is an option whose time has passed. Peace is the only option for the future. At present we occupy a treacherous no-man's-land between peace and war, a time of growing fear that our military might has expanded beyond our capacity to control it and our political differences widened beyond our ability to bridge them. . . .

Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war.
--RICHARD M. NIXON, "REAL PEACE" (1983)

Richard Nixon looks like a flaming liberal today, compared to a golem like George Bush. Indeed. Where is Richard Nixon now that we finally need him?

If Nixon were running for president today, he would be seen as a "liberal" candidate, and he would probably win. He was a crook and a bungler, but what the hell? Nixon was a barrel of laughs compared to this gang of thugs from the Halliburton petroleum organization who are running the White House today -- and who will be running it this time next year, if we (the once-proud, once-loved and widely respected "American people") don't rise up like wounded warriors and whack those lying petroleum pimps out of the White House on November 2nd.

Nixon hated running for president during football season, but he did it anyway. Nixon was a professional politician, and I despised everything he stood for -- but if he were running for president this year against the evil Bush-Cheney gang, I would happily vote for him.

You bet. Richard Nixon would be my Man.

Posted by: In Memorium..."Uncle Duke" at August 20, 2005 2:01 PM

Here's what you need.

I'd say...two propellers.

Medium-speed diesels...running heavy fuel.

Now here's the problem.

The companies in the United States aren't manufacturing, nor supporting this design...

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 2:01 PM

Posted by: ¹³Ъзй at August 20, 2005 2:02 PM

Y'see that's the trick.

You want to go a long ways...like a trawler...

But you want to have speed.

That means no gas turbines...no light diesel fuel.

Plus your yardwork has to have quality parts...so which company do you want in the States?

That's the trick to keeping the costs down on the boat.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 2:04 PM

Posted by: Meta Fore [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 2:05 PM

Hypocrites and Liars
How in the world is anybody still sitting on that fence?'

"If you fall on the side that is pro-George and pro-war, you get your ass over to Iraq, and take the place of somebody who wants to come home...

If you fall on the side that is against this war and against George Bush, stand up and speak out."

I have never said anything wishy-washy like he uses 'Patriotic Rhetoric.'

...my son died for LIES. George Bush LIED to us and he knew he was LYING.

The Downing Street Memos dated 23 July, 2002 prove that he knew that Saddam didn't have WMD's or any ties to Al Qaeda.

I believe that George lied and he knew he was lying. He didn't use patriotic rhetoric.

He lied and made us afraid of ghosts that weren't there. Now he is using patriotic rhetoric to keep the U.S. military presence in Iraq: Patriotic rhetoric that is based on greed and nothing else.

by Cindy Sheehan

Posted by: Who Would Jesus Bomb? at August 20, 2005 2:06 PM

Posted by: ¹³Ъзй at August 20, 2005 2:07 PM

Posted by: http://www.theflasharchive.com/f/f-50.htm at August 20, 2005 2:10 PM

The Lefty-Loose-nuts really have a brain trust going here today. What a pack of burnt out boneheads. Sad that this once great blog is now in the hands of the lame-brains.


And That's the Truth!

Posted by: Ture Dat at August 20, 2005 2:13 PM

Bush Begins 5-Day Push to Defend Iraq War

By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer

Saturday, August 20, 2005


(08-20) 08:36 PDT Crawford, Texas (AP) --


With anti-war protesters continuing their vigil outside President Bush's ranch, the commander in chief began a five-day push Saturday to tell Americans why he thinks U.S. troops must continue the fight in Iraq.


In his weekly radio address, Bush argued that the war in Iraq will keep Americans safe for generations to come. He'll try to drive the point home with speeches in upcoming days in Utah and Idaho.


"Our troops know that they're fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere to protect their fellow Americans from a savage enemy," the president said in the recorded broadcast.


"They know that if we do not confront these evil men abroad, we will have to face them one day in our own cities and streets, and they know that the safety and security of every American is at stake in this war, and they know we will prevail."

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 20, 2005 2:15 PM

Now they solvesd that problem for the big boys.

They went to slow speed diesels.

But these mammoth engines.

Too heavy.

Parts are expensive as hell.

What you want are locamotive engines.

Or what GM would call...Electro-Motive Diesels.

EMD

The trick is getting them to handle the heavy fuel oil.

The cylinder head gaskets blow, plus the carbon builds up rapidly.

The whole make-up of the motor changes.

The block, foundation...whatever you want to call it.

The motor in your car.

It's crank bolts to the bottom, right?

Well.

In a heavy fuel oil medium speed diesel...that changes.

You lose the train/ship market...because now you are manufacturing just for ships.

Hence.

European engines. simple.

That means you need to get them over here.

And guess what.

There's a law that says...ships have to be built with American engines.

Which is how I'd like it too...so we're going to ignore that whole intellectual property clause in the WTO discussions, right?

I mean...Vioxx is a bad thing...but you can't bankrupt the drug business.

as if Medicare wasn't a probloem or something.

I'm just saying.

A quarter of a billion dollars is the precise irrationlism...these politicians are looking for to get even wealthier kickbacks.

All I want...is a solution to these fuel costs and it seems pretty obvious to me.

Either GM does this...or Caterpiller...or we use European parts.

Which means I gotta go over there and arrange this, Bill.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 2:15 PM

In a variation of "the operation was a success but the patient died,"

--


Kerry: No change needed in party
Don't 'lurch' to the right or left, Democrats told

By NEIL MODIE
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

In a variation of "the operation was a success but the patient died," Sen. John Kerry gave an upbeat assessment of his losing 2004 campaign for the White House during a brief Seattle visit Friday.

In what might be part of an effort to try again for the presidency in 2008, the Massachusetts Democrat stressed to a national gathering of Democratic state legislators the importance of rebuilding the party by having it strengthen its grass roots "and fight even harder for what we believe in."

"We don't need some great lurch to the right or lurch to the left or redefinition of the Democratic Party. The last thing America needs is a second Republican Party," Kerry told the luncheon audience of 750 state lawmakers at the Westin Seattle Hotel. They are here to attend the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 20, 2005 2:17 PM

And you know it's a fantasy...and I know it's a fantasy.

But if it's going to a business venture, then it's just feasible.

That's all I'm saying.

No biggie.

not like we need to go the Navy for their scrap.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 2:18 PM

Kerry thinks he is going to run again. What a joke. If Kerry or Gore think they are going to get another bite of the apple they are nus.

And That's the Truth!

Posted by: True Dat at August 20, 2005 2:19 PM

Steerable thrusters...Z-Drives...out.

Controllable Pitch Propellers and Medium Speed Diesels with Reduction Gears. In.

The gears aren't as expensive as they say to make.

The tolerances don't need to be mil-spec. In fact...it can even be machined in Mexico with Japanese steel.


Just a thought, Bill. Trust me on this one. Want to be in the wilderness...then take spare tires.

Those Z-Drives are junk.

Get a good propeller...and a second for backup.

You're set.

It'll have to be a helluva wave to turn that bow over on it's side.


Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 2:27 PM

"War against a foreign country only happens when the moneyed classes think they are going to profit from it. Every war, when it comes or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self defense against a homicidal maniac."

Posted by: George Orwell at August 20, 2005 2:28 PM

America has given Blood & Treasure for a Islamic Iraq. Iran Thanks You!

U.S. "concession" on Islam said to turn Iraq talks

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S. concessions to Islamists on the role of religion in Iraqi law marked a turn in talks on a constitution, negotiators said on Saturday as they raced to meet a 48-hour deadline under intense U.S. pressure to clinch a deal.

U.S. diplomats, who have insisted the constitution must enshrine ideals of equal rights and democracy, declined comment.

Shi'ite, Sunni and Kurdish negotiators all said there was accord on a bigger role for Islamic law than Iraq had before.

But a secular Kurdish politician said Kurds opposed making Islam not "a" but "the" main source of law -- a reversal of interim legal arrangements -- and subjecting all legislation to a religious test.

"We understand the Americans have sided with the Shi'ites," he said. "It's shocking. It doesn't fit American values. They have spent so much blood and money here, only to back the creation of an Islamist state ... I can't believe that's what the Americans really want or what the American people want."


And That's the Truth!

Posted by: True Dat at August 20, 2005 2:29 PM

Posted by: http://www.sevenstories.com/ at August 20, 2005 2:29 PM

War Dog, Chief Blog "Flip-Flopper"

War Dog, Chief Blog "Flip-Flopper"

you are correct..
I wished for freedom and democracy in Iraq..!
Posted by: War Dog http://profile.typekey.com/tball5677 at February 1, 2005 09:56 PM

//////////////////////////////////////////////

Well today is the day..
We will get to hear the state of the Union address in about 12 hours..
I can't wait..
I wonder if Allawi will get to visit from Iraq..?
He is a real hero you know!
(snip)
Not as exciting as the way democracy is spreading around the world..
But still, its exciting..
Posted by: War Dog at February 2, 2005 09:07 AM

//////////////////////////////////////////////

It looks like tonight's speech..
Will be a combination celebration of democracy in Iraq..
Posted by: War Dog at February 2, 2005 10:05 AM

//////////////////////////////////////////////

(snip)
Or could it be that the Democratic Party just doesn't have a clue..
With the world celebrating the emergence of democracy in Iraq..
(snip)
And the cheering and celebratory crowd goes home..
George Bush will again take upturn in the polls..
Not just because he was on TV and made a speech..
But because the American people in the world are once again going to be reminded..
That the result of the Iraq war is freedom and democracy in the Mideast..
(snip)
Posted by: War Dog at February 2, 2005 12:09 PM

///////////////////////////////////////////////

so howz bowt it? ya gonna wear em purple vagina button on yore shoulder fore em womenz of iraq?
Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 12:27 AM

=================================================

Let's see how things sort out with this Constitution..
Part of givin them freedom is the freedom to follow those crazy religions..
Beat themselves with chains..
Cut their heads..
They do lots of things we find odd..
But it is still their vote..
Posted by: War Dog at August 20, 2005 12:41 AM

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Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 2:31 PM

To sum it up:

War Dog Then: Democracy in Iraq, led by Bush, is On the March!!

War Dog Now: Democracy in Iraq? eh....whatever. up to them. meh.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 2:33 PM

See what I mean?

It's frustrating.

- -

New Wärtsilä factory inaugurated in China

Press release 30 June 2005 Trade & Technical Press

Wärtsilä today inaugurated its new, state-of-the-art production plant in Wuxi, PR China.

This new factory Wärtsilä Propulsion (Wuxi) Co Ltd is Wärtsilä’s first wholly-owned production venture in China and is focusing on the manufacture of Lips-brand Transverse Thrusters. Also known as bow thrusters or tunnel thrusters, they are used in all kinds of vessels to help in manoeuvring at low ship speeds.

At the inauguration, Ole Johansson, President & CEO of Wärtsilä, declared “China is a remarkably fast-growing market for Wärtsilä. In just one year, we have firmly established our presence in China by putting into operation a joint venture for propeller manufacturing and now starting also the manufacture of thrusters. The next step will be to build auxiliary generating sets in China. Together with our existing sales and service units in key locations in China, we have greater opportunities to serve our customers better and increase our global market share.”

Nearly every vessel has one or more transverse thrusters. They are also widely used in offshore vessels for dynamic positioning. Lips Transverse Thrusters designed for controllable- and fixed-pitch propellers cover a power range from 450 up to 3550 kW, with propeller diameters in the range of 1.2 up to 3.0 m, which caters for virtually every market requirement.

The new factory, which is located about 100 km west of Shanghai, will serve the global shipbuilding market. At the same time it brings thruster manufacture closer to the major shipbuilding areas in East Asia.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 2:33 PM

S&P 500... 1,219.02 -1.22 (-0.10%)

Posted by: Kevin at August 20, 2005 12:52 PM

You have to adjust that for inflation. Ooops, I forgot there is no inflation if you eliminate the price increases for energy and food. So, I you don't eat or use any energy, you can beat inflation.

Posted by: RWiley at August 20, 2005 2:34 PM

Wartsila and Man B&W

These are your guys. Not Caterpiller.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 2:36 PM


a corporate exec named tommie

got rich by stuffing salami

from north carolina

he moved to china

and now i think he’s a commie

Posted by: RWiley at August 20, 2005 2:39 PM

Augsburg / Stockport 1st August, 2005. Engine manufacturer MAN B&W Ltd, located in Stockport (England), will in future be focusing on extended service business and on the production of the new RK280 engine series. The MAN B&W Diesel Group’s English site introduced measures to improve competitiveness at the beginning of April, which included optimising of the production facilities and the product line. As the new Head of Development, Dr. Franz Koch will be moving from the Augsburg headquarters to Stockport. He will be supported by a team based in Augsburg. Apart from development, assembly and testing, the focus of the activities at the Stockport plant will be purchasing and logistics for the series. Deliveries of the first RK280 models to the market have already commenced.

Parts production, together with the manufacturing of spare parts for the other English series such as the RK215, VP185, RK270 and the older engine models from Mirrlees-Blackstone, Paxman and Ruston, will be managed by the MAN B&W Diesel Group’s production network in Germany, France and UK. This ensures that MAN B&W Diesel Ltd will be able to continue offering its customers a full spectrum of services and spare parts. Wayne Jones has been brought on board as the new head of the service division. He previously worked at Sulzer Pumps in Leeds, England, as Director of Customer Support Services. In his role as Deputy Managing Director, he will extend the service and spare parts business and align the entire entity with customer needs.

The machine tools at the Stockport plant will be taken over by the Korean STX Group, who thereby deepens a licensing partnership with the MAN B&W Diesel Group of many years’ standing. In the STX plants in Korea and China the machine tools will produce components for ship engines, that STX is manufacturing under MAN B&W Diesel license. The transfer will commence in January 2006.

Discussions are currently underway with potential partner firms regarding the continuation of the high-speed diesel engine series VP185, RK215 and RK270.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 2:39 PM

To sum it up:

War Dog Then: Democracy in Iraq, led by Bush, is On the March!!

War Dog Now: Democracy in Iraq? eh....whatever. up to them. meh.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 02:33 PM

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Dearest Cathy..

Yes Democracy.. Up the them..

Their vote..

Their call..

Not so hard to understand..

If we were imposing our will I could see why you might cry out..

It is just the opposite..

They are picking the kind of Democracy they want..

Not us..

You should celebrate this freedom..

Not run from it..!!

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 2:41 PM

CINDY SHEEHAN: COMMANDER IN GRIEF
August 17, 2005


To expiate the pain of losing her firstborn son in the Iraq war, Cindy Sheehan decided to cheer herself up by engaging in Stalinist agitprop outside President Bush's Crawford ranch. It's the strangest method of grieving I've seen since Paul Wellstone's funeral. Someone needs to teach these liberals how to mourn.

Call me old-fashioned, but a grief-stricken war mother shouldn't have her own full-time PR flack. After your third profile on "Entertainment Tonight," you're no longer a grieving mom; you're a C-list celebrity trolling for a book deal or a reality show.

http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/welcome.cgi

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 2:44 PM

Worse than agent orange.

Former Head Of Pentagon's Depleted Uranium Project Says Thousands Of Troops Are Sick And Dying From Illegal DU Use And Military's Failure To Admit Responsibility


After Maj. Doug Rokke went public in 1997 exposing the military's flawed DU program, his life has been threatened but he still continues to search for solutions in order to save the lives of those afflicted.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 2:44 PM

The logical, intellectual and ethical shortcomings of such a statement are staggering. If one dead son means no one can win an argument with you, how about two dead sons? What if the person arguing with you is a mother who also lost a son in Iraq and she's pro-war? Do we decide the winner with a coin toss? Or do we see if there's a woman out there who lost two children in Iraq and see what she thinks about the war?

Dowd's "absolute" moral authority column demonstrates, once again, what can happen when liberals start tossing around terms they don't understand like "absolute" and "moral." It seems that the inspiration for Dowd's column was also absolute. On the rocks.

http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/welcome.cgi

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 2:46 PM

America Has Turned Against the War


When the reporters from the network affiliates interviewed her, and heard her speak movingly about the losses being suffered because of a war based upon lies for which so many reasons have been given and then debunked or rejected, there were tears in some of their eyes.

There were no hard-edged, cynical questions about motives or politics.

Something has happened.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 2:47 PM

Liberals demand that we listen with rapt attention to Sheehan, but she has nothing new to say about the war. At least nothing we haven't heard from Michael Moore since approximately 11 a.m., Sept. 11, 2001. It's a neocon war; we're fighting for Israel; it's a war for oil; Bush lied, kids died; there is no connection between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida. Turn on MSNBC's "Hardball" and you can hear it right now. At this point, Cindy Sheehan is like a touring company of Air America radio: Same old script and it's not even the original cast.

These arguments didn't persuade Hillary Clinton or John McCain to vote against the war. They didn't persuade Democratic primary voters, who unceremoniously dumped anti-war candidate Howard Dean in favor of John Kerry, who voted for the war before he voted against it. They certainly didn't persuade a majority of American voters who re-upped George Bush's tenure as the nation's commander in chief last November.

http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/welcome.cgi

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 2:47 PM

But now liberals demand that we listen to the same old arguments all over again, not because Sheehan has any new insights, but because she has the ability to repel dissent by citing her grief.

On the bright side, Sheehan shows us what Democrats would say if they thought they were immunized from disagreement. Sheehan has called President Bush "that filth-spewer and warmonger." She says "America has been killing people on this continent since it was started" and "the killing has gone on unabated for over 200 years." She calls the U.S. government a "morally repugnant system" and says, "This country is not worth dying for." I have a feeling every time this gal opens her trap, Michael Moore gets a residuals check.

http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/welcome.cgi

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 2:48 PM


Here is another story by your DU pal..

cuckoo! cuckoo!

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Former Vietnam Combat and Commercial Pilot Firm
Believer 9/11 Was Inside Government Job

Posted on: 7/17/2005 7:54:00 AM - Columnist
By Greg Szymanski

There was no fooling former Air Force and commercial pilot Russ Wittenberg the morning of 9/11. He knew it was an inside job from the get-go, knowing the ‘big boys’ were up to the same dirty tricks they played in the Kennedy assassination and Pearl Harbor.


The government may have fooled millions of Americans with its cockamamie official story, but the former fighter pilot who flew over 100 combat missions in Vietnam and who sat for 35 years in the cockpit for Pan Am and United, wasn’t one of them.


Now, almost four years later, Wittenberg is still shaking his head in disbelief more than ever, saying the country he loved and fought so bravely 40 years ago has fallen in the deep, dark and sinister hands of fascist leaders who are quickly turning America into a military state.

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 2:49 PM

Russia: Putin Calls For Withdrawal Timetable For Iraq


Russian President Vladimir Putin called yesterday for a timetable for pulling foreign troops out of Iraq. The Russian leader said many Iraqis view the foreign troops as "occupiers" and suggested the withdrawal will encourage insurgents to abandon violence in favor of contributing to the creation of the state. The United States was quick to reject his call, saying it is still too early for a pullout.

US reject Russian call for Iraq troop pullout


Ready to go to war against Russia? That is where Bush is taking us.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 2:49 PM

Talk about courage. Cindy Sheehan has given 250 media interviews in two weeks, each time facing the answering questions "off the cuff". I am not sure George Bush has ever done that. Once, he was asked a question he was unprepared for by an Irish news lady, and it almost caused an international incident. When faced with the extemperaneous in Germany, he chicked out of the interview. Now I see why he does NOT want to face Cindy.

========

life must go on as he passes the buck

as for cindy george doesn’t give a fuck

he’s out at faux ranch

playing with lance

and training to become a lame duck

Posted by: RWiley at August 20, 2005 2:50 PM

>>If we were imposing our will I could see why you might cry out..

but up until this week that's exactly what you wanted to do. You wanted to bring democracy to iraq. No chance of that now. You guys were wrong. But since Bush has manufactured several different reasons for going in the first place, I'm sure you'll be able to fall back on one of them.

How about "We need to stay the course to avenge the death of the other kids we sent to their deaths"

or

"What kind of a president would I be to make our troops leave Iraq when their having so much gosh-dang fun, like the fun I had when I was in the military?"

Your straw man argument positing libs not celebrating iraqi's freedom to reject democracy is pretty flat, when you consider how many kids you guys sent there to establish it, or die trying.

You wanted democracy enough to justify sending troops...now you don't care so much. You are a flip-flopper.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 2:51 PM

Posted by: War Dog at August 20, 2005 02:49 PM

So Your position is that Depleted Uranium is harmless?

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 2:51 PM

Talk about courage. Cindy Sheehan has given 250 media interviews in two weeks, each time facing the answering questions "off the cuff". I am not sure George Bush has ever done that.

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Just how tough do you think it is to be an unaccountable loony. Do you the think it takes some kind of thought or preparation to rant? Janeane is proof that it does not. It is as easy as pie.

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 2:52 PM

There is Such a Thing as “Too Late”


Ignore. That’s what the vast majority of Germans did in the 1930s as Hitler curtailed civil liberties and launched aggressive wars. I was born in August 1939, a week before Hitler sent German tanks into Poland to start World War II. I have studied that crucial time in some detail. And during the five years I served in Germany I had occasion to ask all manner of people how it could possibly be that, highly educated and cultured as they were, the Germans for the most part could simply ignore. Why was it that the institutional churches, Catholic and Evangelical Lutheran, could not find their voice? Why was it that so few spoke out?

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 2:53 PM

Something has happened.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 02:47 PM

yes and it keeps right on happening...jesus...what was the last "event" that was the downfall of Bush...i cant even remember how many times "something has happened" around here

here is what is happening once again...media is jumping on a story that it thinks america will be drawn to...sheep like nobody and wanda laugh with shrill delight that their country might lose this war after all...two weeks from now ill be in here giggling and saying "TOLD YA"

man this is like rerun radio

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 2:53 PM

You are a flip-flopper.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 02:51 PM

Oh my god !!! War Dog, turn in your Rush Limbaugh secret talking points decoder ring.

Posted by: RWiley at August 20, 2005 2:53 PM

Posted by: War Dog at August 20, 2005 02:52 PM

When you got nothing you fall back on the "loony" thing...

ok I remember how this game is played...

I know you are but what am I?

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 2:55 PM

I don't know.

I've been trying to look at Man B&W's website on dial-up.

I give.

Anyway you get the idea.

What I'm describing is the perfect design.

Catch y'all around...

And don't forget what I said about the foundation.

After that it's pretty much like a car.

The bigger your engine the faster you go.

But trust me. Trawlers win in the end. It's like the tortise and the hare.

Z-Drives blow. Too slow for the maneuverability.

l-ater

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 2:55 PM

You wanted democracy enough to justify sending troops...now you don't care so much. You are a flip-flopper.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 02:51 PM

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Cathy..

Can you be so blind?

They are writing their Constitution..

THEY ARE writing their Constitution..

After submission ..

It must get a 66% approval vote..

VOTE by the people...

What is it you fear..?

What can be more Democratic than that?

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 2:58 PM

>> If one dead son means no one can win an argument with you, how about two dead sons?


now, is Cindy actually saying no one can argue with her? 'Cause i just haven't heard her say that.

The first sole voice of dissent and you guys want to annihilate it? Don't listen, if you don't like it. She has a right to grieve, and be against the war, as other moms have the right to grieve and still be for it. Cindy hasn't said anything about how wrong THOSE mothers are.

Seems you guys must think with one mind, and slap down any difference of opinion,.

My nephew is in Kuwait with the Strykers, on his way to Rawah, Iraq. If something terrible happens to him, I would support his mother setting up a raodside stand outside of a politicians house with signs supporting the war that took her son's life. I'd think she was nuts, but accept her right to do so absolutely, as long as she didn't state that hers was the only belief POSSIBLE.

If someone made fun of her divorce, or looks, or mental state, I would still support her, and fight that kind of crap. I still wouldn't agree with her opinions on the matter, but I wouldn't shoot guns over her head, or mow down a tribute she put up to her son.

You know what, I would support a mother's right to grieve publically no matter what side she was on, whether I was related to her or not, especially if creeps started making fun of her looks. I draw the line at her verbally attacking other mothers for NOT grieving the way she does. But Cindy hasn't done that.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 3:03 PM

lets hear more about this story

David Lombino of The New York Sun continues to move the Air America story forward. According to Lombino's latest article, Al Franken revealed that Air America's current owners have known about the loan from Gloria Wise Boys & Girls Club for some time:

"Mr. Franken said he has learned details of the story only in the last week. He said Piquant LLC, current owner and operator of the radio network, found a record of the transfers while conducting a "forensic" investigation into the finances of the previous owner, Progress Media, which was run by [former Air America chairman Evan] Cohen. That internal probe was conducted before the city agency became involved, Mr. Franken said."
A spokesman for the NYC Department of Investigation, Keith Schwam, told Lombino that if Air America discovered the transfers before the city probe began, "They neglected to tell anyone at DOI or in the city about it."

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003153.htm

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 3:04 PM

Can't Wait Too See Gov. Cyborg and Bush Singing Along with the Rolling Stones.

"Sweet Neo-Con" Lyrics

“You ride around your white castle,
On your little white horse

You lie to your people,
and blame it on your war of course


You call yourself a Christian,
I call you a hypocrite

You call yourself a patriot,
well I think you’re full of shit


Oh, sweet Neo Con,
What path have you led them on?

Oh, sweet Neo Con,
Is it time for the atom bomb?


You parade around in costume,
Expecting to be believed

But as the body bags stack up,
We believe we’ve been deceived


The horror you’ve unleased,
Will backfire with more grief

When will you ever learn,
Sweet Neo Con, as the world burns?


Oh, sweet Neo Con,
What path have you led them on?

Oh, sweet Neo Con,
Is it time for the atom bomb?

Oh, sweet Neo Con,
What path have you led them on?

Oh, sweet Neo Con,
Is it time to drop the bomb?”

LOL

Posted by: Kevin at August 20, 2005 3:05 PM

>>What is it you fear..?

What can be more Democratic than that?

I don't fear anything. Let them write a constitution, take as much time as they like.

What I REGTRET is that so many of our troops had to die for the lie of establishing democracy. If you can't see that, then what do YOU fear?

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 3:05 PM

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 02:53 PM

It appears that the last indicative event was indeed Cindy Sheehan and the responses from the wingnuts (that's you)...

That is the event that indicates the the likely outcomes of this conflict...

In a combat situation said events would be comparable to the word engagement...

A battle is made up of a number of engagements...

You can tell how things are going by how each side reacts in these engagements...

Do they bring in tanks or do they fall back...If they've got tanks you'll see them...If they don't they'll fall back on more desperate tactics...

So...three such events would be Terry Schiavo, Rove and Cindy Sheehan...

There was no ground gained by "your" side on any of these issues...all though you wouldn't like to call them victories for "my" side you lost ground each time...capisca?

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 3:07 PM

You know what, I would support a mother's right to grieve publically no matter what side she was on, whether I was related to her or not, especially if creeps started making fun of her looks. I draw the line at her verbally attacking other mothers for NOT grieving the way she does. But Cindy hasn't done that.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 03:03 PM

she isnt grieving , she is being a hooker for the ideas of pimps like soros and moore and moveon.org...grief looks alot like and agnda in this case...we arent fooled people

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 3:08 PM

if you liked that Meta(4)..... then try ">this.....

.. 59 pages worth... (probably'd take about 10 years to listen to it all)


Posted by: ¹³Ъзй at August 20, 2005 02:00 PM

btw, I somehow messed up my typekey dealy and can't use Meta 4. So, I changed it to Meta Fore, which I kinda like better any way.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 20, 2005 3:08 PM

If you can't see that, then what do YOU fear?

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 03:05 PM

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Ok time out!

What are you taking about..??

===What I REGTRET is that so many of our troops had to die for the lie of establishing democracy.===

This the the idea I do not understand..

What are you taking about?

Is this like if Bush wins two elections "we have no Democracy"..

Is that the logic?

I really don't get it!

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 3:10 PM

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 3:10 PM

This comes on the heels of the news that all of th eTV shows are losing audience share and the net is picking up those shares...Let's hear more about this story.

Twin Cities turning deaf ear to political talk radio shows


Locally, conservative-talk icon Rush Limbaugh's show has lost 43 percent of its audience among 25- to 54-year-olds in the past year. Sean Hannity's show is down a whopping 63 percent.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 3:12 PM

There was no ground gained by "your" side on any of these issues...all though you wouldn't like to call them victories for "my" side you lost ground each time...capisca?

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 03:07 PM

we dont have to gain ground on these issues ...we are in power..and you and your ilk will do anything to lessen that power...

your looking at it wrong anyway...and it is way more than three events...from national guard awol to rove there is something new every day it seems...instead of seeing battles see it like this

when u see something shocking it burns in your mind...when you see something shocking everyday..it becomes dull and uneventful...your just scabbing over the distrust that america already had for ya...keep up the good work guys...who needs campaigns when the other side is as dense as yall

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 3:14 PM

Just wait until the pizza guy snitches you off after getting your usually lousy tip.

Pest Control Workers To Help Fight Crime


Technicians from Truly Nolen Pest Control of America are being trained by local law enforcement to spot anything unusual as they visit customer's homes.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 3:14 PM

Air Scamerica: A Plea for Help

http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/005704.php

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 3:16 PM

Bush's Fury Over Sheehan

The mean streak in George W. Bush, which for the most part he has kept hidden during his presidency, started to resurface earlier this month in his contretemps with war protester Cindy Sheehan over Iraq. First, his presidential caravan sped by the Sheehan outpost without his stopping to meet with her. Then Bush publicly brushed off Sheehan with the extraordinary comment: "I think it's important for me to go on with my life." (Meantime, 1,840 or so Americans ordered to Iraq at his behest have died there without having a chance to get along with their lives.)

These recent slip-ups are clues into George W.'s soul. Bush operates against his "enemies" usually through his political handlers like Karl Rove, while he remains above the battle. Bush does not express his own anger against a foe. Bush knows this script intimately. He acted as the enforcer on behalf of his father. But this time, his public miscues revealed the game at hand. Don't be surprised now about the inevitable besmirchment of Cindy Sheehan, already in process. This time, however, it will be more difficult for the White House to hide the source of the vilification.

Posted by: From Stephen Schlesinger at Huffington Post at August 20, 2005 3:18 PM

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 03:14 PM

Power is granted by the people and right now the people aren't very damned happy with the lot of you...

You might also note the increasing number of republicans falling out of lockstep...

They gotta look out for their own political future don't they?

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 3:19 PM

Cindy Sheehan: 35% Favorable 38% Unfavorable

August 19, 2005--Cindy Sheehan, the grieving mother who maintained an anti-War protest outside of President Bush's ranch, is viewed favorably by 35% of Americans and unfavorably by 38%.

Sheehan is viewed favorably by 34% of men and 35% of women. Forty-two percent (42%) of men and 34% of women have an unfavorable view.

In general, people see in Sheehan what they want to see. Opinion about her is largely based upon views of the War, rather than views about the woman herself. Democrats, by a 56% to 18% margin, have a favorable opinion. Republicans, by a 64% to 16% margin, have an unfavorable view. Those not affiliated with either major party are evenly divided.

People who think we should withdraw troops from Iraq now have a positive opinion of Sheehan (59% favorable, 12% unfavorable). Those who do not think we should withdraw troops at this time have a negative view (15% favorable , 64% unfavorable).

Among those with family members who have served in the military, Sheehan is viewed favorably by 31% and unfavorably by 48%.

Forty-two percent (42%) of Married Americans have an unfavorable opinion of Sheehan while 33% have a favorable opinion. Among those who are not married, Sheehan's numbers are 38% favorable and 30% favorable.

Fifty-five percent (55%) of Americans say they are following the Sheehan story somewhat or very closely. That is a lower level of interest than Americans have in stories about Iran's nuclear capabilities. It is roughly comparable to the interest in stories about Supreme Court nominee John Roberts.

News reports said that Sheehan left Texas yesterday (Thursday) to be with her mother who had suffered a stroke. Sheehan vowed to return as soon as possible.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2005/Cindy%20Sheehan.htm

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 3:21 PM

Bush...turning a secular society into an islamic fundementalist state...Bush is still Bin Ladens best agent.

U.S. conceding to Iraqi Islamists, negotiators say


Islam will be "the main source" of Iraq's law and parliament will observe religious principles, negotiators said on Saturday after what some called a major turn in talks on the constitution and a shift in the U.S. position.

If agreed by Monday's parliamentary deadline, it would appear to be a major concession to Islamist leaders from the Shi'ite Muslim majority and sit uneasily with U.S. insistence on the primacy of democracy and human rights in the new Iraq.


Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 3:22 PM

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 03:19 PM

i admire someone that "goes down with the ship" nobody...it wont be long now

your crazy buffoons have just about alienated most of america

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 3:24 PM

Do you feel safer now?

In Two Shootings by Iraq Vets, War Stress Blamed

One was a skinny 20-year-old discharged from the Army who couldn't shake the piercing rat-a-tat-tat reminders of combat. The other, a decorated Marine family man whose job preparing bodies of U.S. soldiers for burial had caused clammy, restless nights.

Both home from duty in Iraq, they were on opposite ends of the country, but their stories have much in common.

In Las Vegas, Matthew Sepi was on his way to get a beer, but he tucked an assault rifle inside his black trenchcoat just in case. In Lawrence, Mass., Daniel Cotnoir brought out his 12-gauge shotgun. Both pulled the trigger. Now Sepi faces murder and attempted murder charges while Cotnoir is charged with attempted murder

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 3:24 PM

war Dog, I don't think our troops went to Iraq to die to NOT set up a democracy. They went there because among other reasons, Bush said he was going to bring democracy to iraq. Women will not be allowed to vote from here on out for the foreseeable future. That's not democracy. That doesn't bother you? Do you think the President brought democracy to Iraq?

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 3:25 PM

your crazy buffoons have just about alienated most of america


Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 03:24 PM

Umm 64% are against this war...In case you haven't noticed there capt. ahab your legs are wet

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 3:26 PM

>>Umm 64% are against this war...In case you haven't noticed there capt. ahab your legs are wet


Nobody, looks like we've alienated 64% into disapproving this war along with us.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 3:28 PM

how can you people be so mean...this woman is running her hero of a son in the ground to become a celebrity...dont you think we can see thru the facade

lol...man it must be terible to be on the side of america hating assholes

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 3:28 PM

In Oklahoma a man was stopped trying to bring a bomb aboard a plane.


THE INVESTIGATION
a short play by R. Wiley


FBI MAN: What's that? You say this guy here tried to bring on bomb on board?

SCREENER LADY: Yes sir, I saw it on the monitor, got wires and everything.

FBI MAN: Say, was that guy wearing a towel on his head?

SCREENER LADY: Nope, just a Sooners' Ballcap.

FBI MAN: Great! We were afraid he might be a terrorist.


the end

Posted by: RWiley at August 20, 2005 3:28 PM

Those republican in ohio would've never cheated in 2004...much too honest for all of that...Ya right.

Ohio Republicans Reeling With Governor's Conviction, Rare Coins Scandal


In November, Ohio was at the center of the national political stage, delivering the White House to President Bush.

Eight months later, the state's Republican Party is reeling: its leader convicted of ethics violations; a narrow win in a gimmie congressional district; an investment scandal that won't go away.

The troubles play out as the casualty rate climbs from the war in Iraq and the state economy remains stuck in a slump. The war could hurt Bush's standing in Ohio, mirroring a decline in his popularity nationally. His overall job approval was at 42 percent in a recent poll, with just 38 percent approving of his handling of Iraq.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 3:29 PM

Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 8:55 AM

Subject: Supporting Our Marines

I attended the MAG-13 Change of Command last night. As always, it was a moving affair. Had the opportunity to talk to a lot of friends I don't have a chance to see very often. One conversation in particular was very enlightening.

This Colonel had a young Marine officer who sold his home through Carol Engler. (For anyone skeptical, I can provide names off line.) She later sued him because he did not vacate in a timely manner. The Marine in question was in Iraq at the time and, not surprisingly, was having a tough time coordinating and affecting a move.

He won the case; but it cost him several thousand dollars to hire a lawyer and fight it. If that is the kind of support of our Marines we can expect from a "Mayor Angler", then let me contribute to Mayor Nelsons travels. He seems intent on keeping the Marines here rather than taking advantage of their plight.

Ross Hieb

This message is not forwarded with the knowledge or coordination of the Nelson campaign committee.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-schlesinger/bushs-fury-over-sheehan_b_5927.html

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 3:29 PM

Umm 64% are against this war...In case you haven't noticed there capt. ahab your legs are wet

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 03:26 PM

ummmm...we shall see next year !!!

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 3:31 PM

G'day, gang!

Taking a break from honey-do's & the work bench.

*

[Cindy Sheehan]'s a contributor to Michael Moore's website and the Daily Kos.

She's called the US actions in the Middle East "spreading the cancer of imperialism."

[...] She has written that "we have had hundreds of our children killed to gain control of the oil fields."

She has accused the VP of the US of profiting from the US invasion of Iraq - "I know it was “worth it” to Dick Cheney who was the CEO of Halliburton."

She has referred to the Bush administration as "the biggest terrorist outfit in the world." [...]

Posted by: War Dog at August 20, 2005 12:22 PM

So....just exactly what is wrong or UN-average about these actions & statements?

Simple. They're not "conservative." I swear the wingnuts would apply a Rovian smear campaign against the friggin' pope if it suited their goals. This time, though, they've over-played their progaganda hand. Grassroots backlash is a real motherfucker, eh, Karl?

*kicks the MUTT* [I miss doing that on a more regular basis! *snark*]

*

You & fellow neocons want some motivation, MUTT, skirtgurl, et al? Try this:

We're watching you [GWB] very carefully and we're going to do everything in our power to have you impeached for misleading the American people.

Beating a political stake in your black heart will be the fulfillment of my life.

-- Cindy Sheehan, anti-war activist whose son was killed in Iraq

*evil snicker*

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 20, 2005 3:31 PM

Bush really needs those permanent bases in Iraq now...

Russian Lawmaker: No Doubt US Military Presence in Kyrgyzstan Will End


There is "no doubt" that the US military presence in Kyrgyzstan will end as the new leadership in the Central Asian state does not intend to allow it to continue indefinitely, a top Russian lawmaker said on Friday.

"In the eyes of the new Kyrgyz leadership, the issue of the withdrawal of the Americans must be resolved when the time comes," Sergei Mironov, leader of the upper house of the Russian parliament, the Federation Council, told a small group of journalists.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 3:32 PM

U.S. soldier killed in Baghdad explosion
August 20th, 2005 The Associated Press

http://www.tri-cityherald.com/24hour/world/story/2649592p-11148994c.html

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - A U.S. soldier was killed Saturday by a roadside bomb in the Iraqi capital, the military said.

The soldier, assigned to the 42nd Military Police Brigade, died at the hospital after the blast in Baghdad, the military said. No other details were released.

At least 1,865 members of the U.S. military have died since the Iraq war began in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 20, 2005 3:33 PM

i love winning ...that my friends is the reason i love this blog more and more each day

time and time again ive seen "proof" that repubs are reeling in pain and getting ready to implode

nobody will post 100 links to prove it, then it all seems to ga away

over and over and over

but the funny part is that you guys never learn from your mistakes(isntthat a sign of insanity?)

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 3:34 PM

Set up your fake argument for your fake circumstances, celticman, then knock it down to fake appaluse.

Cindy and her sister went to Crawford texas by themselves to ask Bush a question. The media jumped on it, and so it goes. She didn't orchestrate the circus, the media did. Other people felt the same way she did and joined in. I think she views it as support, so what do you care? As if you do.

Rush somehow believes Cindy made the whole thing up. I'm not exactly what he's questioning...maybe she didn't really have a son? Maybe he really wasn't killed? Maybe she's not really Cindy Sheehan who had a son who was killed in Iraq? who knows? Doesn't matter....Rush says Cindy is a fake so you believe it.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 3:35 PM

Do you think the President brought democracy to Iraq?

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 03:25 PM

================================================

Neither you or I have any idea what kind of Constitution will be submitted..

But either way..

You can not control their religion..

This government will be elected by a 2/3 majority of it will be voted down..

Just because you or I do not agree with all or any of thier ideas has no bearing on what they want...

That is who Democracy works..

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 3:36 PM

MOSUL, Iraq Iraqi police and U-S troops have clashed with insurgents in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul.

http://www.kron.com/Global/story.asp?S=3745802

Authorities say three rebels have been killed in the fighting. They also say they seized a car used in the kidnapping-slaying of three members of the Iraqi Islamic Party yesterday.

Separately, gunmen have killed a retired brigadier general in Saddam Hussein's army as he drove his car.

Outside, Mosul, a roadside bomb has wounded six Kurdish militiamen, while another bomb nearby missed a U-S convoy, but injured six civilians.

In Fallujah, west of Baghdad, two separate attacks have killed three Iraqi soldiers.

Fallujah is a former insurgent stronghold that has been relatively quiet since U-S and Iraqi troops took control of the city in November.

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 20, 2005 3:36 PM

They should just start calling me King Yahoo News!, the way they treat this blog.

I have njo prior knowledge of this, couldn't much of a damn, and find it curious gays are mentioned.

Comments to follow, Brian Skoloff.

- -


San Francisco Shuns Retired USS Iowa

By BRIAN SKOLOFF, Associated Press Writer

Sat Aug 20,12:24 PM ET

SAN FRANCISCO - The USS Iowa joined in battles from World War II to Korea to the Persian Gulf. It carried President Franklin Roosevelt home from the Teheran conference of allied leaders, and four decades later, suffered one of the nation's most deadly military accidents.

Veterans groups and history buffs had hoped that tourists in San Francisco could walk the same teak decks where sailors dodged Japanese machine-gun fire and fired 16-inch guns that helped win battles across the South Pacific.

Instead, it appears that the retired battleship is headed about 80 miles inland, to Stockton, a gritty agricultural port town on the San Joaquin River and home of California's annual asparagus festival.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., a former San Francisco mayor, helped secure $3 million to tow the Iowa from Rhode Island to the Bay Area in 2001 in hopes of making touristy Fisherman's Wharf its new home.

But city supervisors voted 8-3 last month to oppose taking in the ship, citing local opposition to the Iraq war and the military's stance on gays, among other things.


Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 3:37 PM

Posted by: Anonymous at August 20, 2005 03:08 PM

typekey likes to jerk me off.

bastiges

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 03:16 PM

Dude, Scair America or Scare America obviously work better.

My guess is you're not in advertising.

Either way... often times folks can find the truth scarry, but that's not the fault of the truth teller.

Not only that, the scarry part is BushCo Inc.

That our own government could be as corrupt as the truth paint's them... that's scarry.

It should scare you.

Air America should free you.

It does free you.

Let go.

Move on.

MoveOn.org

Posted by: Meta Fore [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 3:37 PM

ummmm...we shall see next year !!!

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 03:31 PM

Actually we should see a fairly rapidly occuring number of events all winter culminating in a doozy around the end of the year...

As for next year I don't see how you're going to pick up much momentum since there are less than a dozen republicans that are polling above 50% with most sitting around 38% or less...


Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 3:38 PM

2 soldiers killed by bomb are identified

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002446678_dige20m.html

The Defense Department yesterday released the names of two Fort Lewis-based soldiers killed by a roadside bomb in Afghanistan.

Killed were 1st Lt. Laura M. Walker, 24, of Texas, and Sgt. Robert G. Davis, 23, of Jackson, Mo., both members of the Army's 864th Engineer Combat Battalion, 555th Maneuver Enhancement Brigade.

Both soldiers died Thursday in Kandahar, Afghanistan, when an explosive device detonated under their vehicle during a convoy.

In an Internet posting earlier this month, Walker wrote that her unit was building a road between Kandahar and Tarin Kowt, a city to the north that was described as the heart of the Taliban movement.

"The extension of routes into rural Afghanistan provides much potential in strengthening the new government's credibility. The completion of the road couldn't come at a better time," she wrote.

She also took photographs that showed bulldozers working in mountainous terrain.

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 20, 2005 3:39 PM

Beating a political stake in your black heart will be the fulfillment of my life.


-- Cindy Sheehan, anti-war activist whose son was killed in Iraq

*evil snicker*

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 20, 2005 03:31 PM

=================================================

As you sit completely ignored and shunned by both major political parties..

Gosh I can't imagine why..

Cindy actually had a chance to do something..

She does not now..

Her association with the loony left fixed that for her..

Sorry, that is just the way real world works..

Posted by: War Dog at August 20, 2005 3:39 PM


on this day of an incredible wilt

in the popularity george bush built

to the wee lad so strange

may the kind wind of change

blow up under celtic man’s kilt

Posted by: RWiley at August 20, 2005 3:40 PM

Fisherman's wharf is not called Military Wharf...that's all.

If Ms. Feinstein's wants her Stockton MARAD ship...

...then tell her to put it in Alameda where it belongs, dumb ass.

That would be like setting up a "tourist" attraction next to Coney Island.

It has nothing to do with gays, but I'm sure you'll find one in your head anyway.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 3:40 PM

So why is Bush protecting terrorists by withholding evidence that could be used to convict them?

Judge berates US failures as 9/11 supporter is convicted


A GERMAN court yesterday convicted a Moroccan student of belonging to the al-Qaeda cell responsible for the attacks on America of September 11, 2001, but acquitted him of direct involvement in the murder of nearly 3,000 people.

Mounir al-Motassadeq, 31, was sentenced to seven years in prison for membership of a terrorist organisation, but the judge ruled that the more serious charges were not proven, in part because of a failure by the US authorities to co-operate with the prosecution.

In a three-hour judgment, read out before a court in Hamburg, Judge Ernst-Rainer Schudt said that the US Justice Department had refused to co-operate fully with the German court.

“How are we supposed to do justice to our task when important documents are withheld from us?” the judge asked.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 3:40 PM

Wanna make sense?

Close the beaches in Marin County.

Build a Coast Guard base like the Canadians.

Where it belongs.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 3:42 PM

your crazy buffoons have just about alienated most of america

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 03:24 PM

dude. which part of america are you talking about? the 38% and shrinking part?

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 3:42 PM

"If the left wants to try to continue to say, 'I support the troops but not the war,' then I have a new phrase that I would like to offer for your consideration today, regarding Cindy Sheehan: I support her loss, but not her thoughts"

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html

gee cathy doesnt really sound like he is saying she faked anything....we just disagree with what she is saying...is that too much for you to handle?

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 3:43 PM

Sunshine Jim reads the comics everyday...I wonder why.

I would think this blog's the wacky characters and out srewball antics would be enough!

Posted by: ÇhûþþŸ ßûþþã™ at August 20, 2005 3:43 PM

Feinstein called it a "very petty decision."

"This isn't the San Francisco that I've known and loved and grew up in and was born in," Feinstein said.

- -

Uh-huh.

Petty.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 3:44 PM

I guess they mistook him for an Italian journalist

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - An Iraqi general who commands the country's border defence force was shot and wounded while driving in Baghdad late on Saturday and accused U.S. troops of firing on his car, police and hospital sources said.

Posted by: Kevin at August 20, 2005 3:44 PM

I would think this blog's the wacky characters and out srewball antics would be enough!

Posted by: ÇhûþþŸ ßûþþã™ at August 20, 2005 03:43 PM

================================================

Hey Chubby..

Are you at Jims??

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 3:45 PM

US troops accused of shooting general - 21aug05

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/printpage/0,5942,16334476,00.html

AN Iraqi general who commands the country's border defence force was shot and wounded while driving in Baghdad late today and accused US troops of firing on his car, police and hospital sources said.

The report could not be confirmed directly with the general; a US military spokesman said he was unaware of an incident.
Major General Ali Hamadi told doctors at Yarmouk Hospital, who treated him for a gunshot wound to the abdomen, that US forces fired on him as he was driving to a doctor's appointment.

He was later transferred to a hospital in the US-defended Green Zone government compound.

Sources at Baghdad police headquarters, which like the border security force is overseen by the interior ministry, said Hamadi is the overall commander of the Iraqi Border Police.

They too said he was shot by US troops.

A spokesman for the US force in the Iraqi capital said he was unaware of the incident and would check the report.

Iraqis daily accuse American troops of opening fire on motorists, often killing them. US commanders say soldiers, who are trained to be vigilant against suicide car bombers who approach checkpoints or convoys, take care to protect civilians.

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 20, 2005 3:45 PM

but the funny part is that you guys never learn from your mistakes (isnt that a sign of insanity?)

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 03:34 PM

This works both ways.

You guys are just sophists.

You aruge in cirlces.

You "win" by cheating, which is not even winning... it's losing.

You're not any better off than anyone else, that's just an illusion.

What are you doing with all your "success?"

Your blathering on a blog, being beating about the head and shoulders by much better polemists.

That's not winning, but... you just go ahead and enjoy your delusions of grandeur.

Posted by: Meta Fore [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 3:45 PM

George W. Bush is now consumed by what I call, a

"Full Nixon." The fates have turned on Bush and

are conspiring against him. He is essentially

finished as a politician. Like Nixon, he is

headed for a swift fall to total disgrace!

Posted by: Walter Windshield at August 20, 2005 3:45 PM

They can win elections but they can't keep themselves out of jail...All of these GOP indictments can't be making for good press...

Fletcher computer files copied,/a>


Investigators from the attorney general's office began copying the computer network server for Gov. Ernie Fletcher's office yesterday after receiving a search warrant.

The 5 p.m. search was related to a special grand jury's investigation into allegations that the Fletcher administration violated state hiring laws by filling jobs on the basis of politics, not qualifications.

In a related development, Attorney General Greg Stumbo warned Fletcher in a letter delivered last week that the truth within allegations of illegal hiring can only be determined at trial and "now is not the time for a pardon."

Fletcher has said he has not ruled out exercising his power to issue pardons for nine current and former administration officials who have been indicted.

GOP adviser named to ethics panel


Gov. Ernie Fletcher has put another of his "county contacts" -- local Republican advisers -- on the Executive Branch Ethics Commission, which is investigating possible GOP political bias in his administration's hiring.

Yesterday, Fletcher named former state Rep. J. Quentin Wesley, R-Morganfield, to the five-member ethics panel. As one of Fletcher's two Union County contacts, Wesley occasionally was called by Fletcher aides for his opinion of state job applicants in his area, a controversial practice now under investigation.

Wesley is also a vocal critic of the several investigations into Fletcher's merit-system hiring, saying they are politically motivated by unhappy Democrats.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 3:46 PM

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 03:43 PM

You can support the troops but not the president." --Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?" --Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

"American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy." --Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

" President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy." --Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is." --Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 3:47 PM

>>You can not control their religion..


nice about-face, War Dog.

I never hoped to control their religion. While I don't accept their view of woemn, I never said lets go over there and kill them till they change their attitudes towards women. I said Bush was a hypocrit to say he wanted rights for women in Iraq, while trying to get rid of some of our rights here in America. So you think as long as they call it a democracy, but there's no provisions for rights for woemn, then it's stilla democracy? What part of democracy don't you understand?

I couldn't believe Bush said we were on a crusade in the middle east, and his friends, handlers, trainers, apologists, all saying what we need is Christianity in the Middle east. I believe you were openly weeping about Iranians not being "sane" enough to refrain from sending a nuke our way last night.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 3:47 PM

Mmmmm....italics in html don't span hard line breaks, eh, or is it just hereabouts?

Probably the latter, on this POS!

*

They are writing their Constitution..

THEY ARE writing their Constitution..

After submission ..

It must get a 66% approval vote..

VOTE by the people...

What is it you fear..?

What can be more Democratic than that?

Posted by: War Dog at August 20, 2005 02:58 PM

How about if the Bush administration didn't squeeze their balls every time the Iraqis pols opened their mouths, for one.

For another, democracy doesn't work at the point of a bayonet -- US OR Iraqi, real OR perceived -- you fucking idiot!

*kicks the MUTT...again...with purpose!*

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 20, 2005 3:47 PM

Iraq talks stall over Islam, oil

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/iraq/20050820-0606-iraq.html

Excerpt -

BAGHDAD, Iraq – Talks on Iraq's new constitution have stalled over the role of Islam and the distribution of the country's oil wealth, negotiators said Saturday. The leadership of the country's Kurdish minority said it may drop its contentious demand for the right to secede.
In Mosul, U.S. troops and Iraqi police clashed with insurgents Saturday, killing three of them and seizing a car used in the kidnapping-slaying of three members of the Iraqi Islamic Party the day before, police said.

Police Brig. Gen. Saeed Ahmed al-Jbouri said it was unclear if the three insurgents killed were among those who grabbed three Sunnis on Friday as they hung posters encouraging people to register and vote in the Oct. 15 referendum. The Sunnis later were killed near a mosque.

Iraqis have until Monday night to complete work on the draft constitution or else parliament must dissolve. The United States is putting intense pressure on negotiators to finish the charter, which Washington hopes will in time take the steam out of the insurgency.

Mullah Bakhtiyar, a senior official from the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, the political party of Iraq's President Jalal Talabani, said all parties were showing flexibility in order to finish drafting the constitution.

"As for the self-determination for the Kurds, this issue did not enjoy the support of Sunnis or Shiites, and we almost gave up this demand," Bakhtiyar said.

The Kurds have enjoyed de-facto independence since 1991. If they drop their demand to guarantee the right of self-determination – a code word for eventual secession that goes beyond mere federalism – it would represent a major concession and remove an obstacle to agreement on the charter.

But a comprehensive compromise on a constitutional draft remained elusive, with the main outstanding dispute focusing on the role of Islam in the new state, pitting Kurds and secular groups against Islamist parties representing Ira

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 20, 2005 3:47 PM

dude. which part of america are you talking about? the 38% and shrinking part?

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 03:42 PM

dudess im talking about the part that goes to work everyday and isnt taking polls or sitting in a ditch in texas

you know ...the ones that keeping giving us republicans election wins

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 3:48 PM

Great News for the Bush Economy !

Want a Wal-Mart job? Join the crowd
11,000 apply for 400 openings at retailer's new Oakland store

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/08/17/MNGDPE91AH1.DTL

Link


Posted by: RWiley at August 20, 2005 3:49 PM

gee cathy doesnt really sound like he is saying she faked anything....we just disagree with what she is saying...is that too much for you to handle?

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 03:43 PM

Actually he did say just that and got caught red handed...

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 3:49 PM

If everybody is alienated maybe we can then flush all politicians. Peace

Posted by: Imhotep at August 20, 2005 3:49 PM

CALLER: Absolutely. I'm a MOM, which stands for, "Mother of a Marine", and I'm looking for a bumper sticker that says, "Your son got an A in college; my son got a Purple Heart in Iraq." His vehicle ran over a land mine twice in one day. We always talk about "if" something would happen to my son, I would never dishonor him. I'm sorry. I'm getting emotional in this. I would never dishonor his actions by doing what this woman is doing. My son volunteered to join the Marines. When he was 18 years, one month, and ten days old on September 12th he announced that he was joining the Marines after he saw the Twin Towers fall. When his first orders to Iraq were canceled he told us that, "Bush better not pull out before I get there." He knew it was something that needed to be done. He's going back for his second tour next month. What she's doing is not only dishonoring her son, she's dishonoring mine.


RUSH: Debbie, I can't thank you enough for calling, and I can't thank you enough for doing another thing. You have just spoken for the vast majority of Americans in your call. You have just echoed exactly what they think. God bless you. Thanks so much for your call.


http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_081905/content/debbie_in_indianapolis__the_voice_of_america.guest.html

where is her press coverage wanda?

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 3:49 PM

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 03:43 PM

How about this gem pal?

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
--Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/17/144732/740

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 3:50 PM

Think I'm kidding?

Do you have any idea how many pleasure boaters there are on the other side of the Golden Gate?

Your pier is sitting right in front of you...but some woman from California...is trying to convince you a trip to Stockton is worth it.

What's next?

A Ripley's Believe It or Not...in Pleasanton?

Stockton...is just another mothball harbor.

Way the hell on the other side of Alameda County.

Why don't you give it to Sausilito?

Yeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. right.

You go talk to diane about how important that sand is in between her fingers.

Fuckin' hypocrites.

And you know what. With all this talk about who made who...why do I give a fuck about Hollywood.

I think Vancouver has your lighting. Yes I do.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 3:51 PM

The Army is planning for the possibility of keeping the current number of soldiers in Iraq - well over 100,000 - for four more years, the Army's top general said Saturday.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/bw-exec/2005/aug/20/082000081.html

In an Associated Press interview, Gen. Peter Schoomaker said the Army is prepared for the "worse case" in terms of the required level of troops in Iraq. He said the number could be adjusted lower if called for by slowing the force rotation or by shortening tours for soldiers.

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 20, 2005 3:51 PM

I couldn't believe Bush said we were on a crusade in the middle east, and his friends, handlers, trainers, apologists, all saying what we need is Christianity in the Middle east. I believe you were openly weeping about Iranians not being "sane" enough to refrain from sending a nuke our way last night.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 03:47 PM

================================================

You logic sucks on this on Cathy..

You usually do much better than this..

They pick the Government..

They write the laws..

The 2/3 Majority approves it..

Your protest is a bit staged today..

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 3:52 PM

Actually he did say just that and got caught red handed...

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 03:49 PM

Ah, but then he flip flopped and looked real silly.

Posted by: RWiley at August 20, 2005 3:52 PM

call continued

RUSH: Debbie, I can't thank you enough for calling, and I can't thank you enough for doing another thing. You have just spoken for the vast majority of Americans in your call. You have just echoed exactly what they think. God bless you. Thanks so much for your call.

CALLER: I hope so. Thank you.

RUSH: You have, trust me on this. You are far more a voice, a representative voice of the people of this country than any of the rabble rousing malcontents that are being given airtime in a failed attempt to destroy the policy by the mainstream press. Trust me.

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 3:52 PM

aw celticman, you just didn't look hard enough:

From the August 15 broadcast of The Rush Limbaugh Show:

LIMBAUGH: I mean, Cindy Sheehan is just Bill Burkett. Her story is nothing more than forged documents. There's nothing about it that's real, including the mainstream media's glomming onto it. It's not real. It's nothing more than an attempt. It's the latest effort made by the coordinated left.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 3:52 PM

Instead of Baja...why not buy your props here in Canton.

We got everything, man.

We even got light bulbs.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 3:52 PM

Limbaugh backs off Sheehan comparison with Burkett: "I've never said this"

LIMBAUGH: I mean, Cindy Sheehan is just Bill Burkett. Her story is nothing more than forged documents. There's nothing about it that's real, including the mainstream media's glomming onto it. It's not real. It's nothing more than an attempt. It's the latest effort made by the coordinated left.

LIMBAUGH the next day: Apparently, what's out there is that I said that Cindy Sheehan is no different than Bill Burkett, that Bill Burkett lied and Cindy Sheehan lied.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 3:53 PM

where is her press coverage wanda?

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 03:49 PM

Hi my name is mickey mouse and I am a member of FWRC. (fake wingnut radio caller)

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 3:53 PM

your crazy buffoons have just about alienated most of america


Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 03:24 PM

The "most of America" you refer to can

KISS MY ASS

No one wants to be on the side of the incredibly blind and incredibly stupid!

Posted by: Rick at August 20, 2005 3:54 PM

For another, democracy doesn't work at the point of a bayonet -- US OR Iraqi, real OR perceived -- you fucking idiot!

*kicks the MUTT...again...with purpose!*

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 20, 2005 03:47 PM

================================================

L@L logic...

Cow can't fly..

So Bush Sucks..

The blog has been less entertaining without your clown routine..

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 3:54 PM

Bush Begins 5-Day Push to Defend Iraq War

CRAWFORD, Texas - With anti-war protesters continuing their vigil outside President Bush's ranch, the commander in chief began a five-day push Saturday to tell Americans why he thinks U.S. troops must continue the fight in Iraq.

In his weekly radio address, Bush argued that the war in Iraq will keep Americans safe for generations to come. He'll try to drive the point home with speeches in upcoming days in Utah and Idaho.

"Our troops know that they're fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere to protect their fellow Americans from a savage enemy," the president said in the recorded broadcast.
"They know that if we do not confront these evil men abroad, we will have to face them one day in our own cities and streets, and they know that the safety and security of every American is at stake in this war, and they know we will prevail."

Bush is making a sell to a skeptical public. According to recent polls, a majority of Americans do not approve of his handling of the war.

"We need a strategy to win in Iraq or an exit strategy to leave," former Sen. Max Cleland of Georgia said in the Democratic radio address. "The present course will lead us to disaster. More of the same just means more precious blood spilled in the desert."

Cleland, who noted that he lost three limbs serving in Vietnam, ticked off numbers indicating this war's toll - nearly 2,000 service members killed, more than 15,000 wounded and some soldiers returning for their third tour in Iraq. "Iraq is still not secure and we don't have the forces there to make it secure," he said.

Dozens of the disillusioned remain outside his ranch as their inspiration, grieved mother Cindy Sheehan, left to tend to her hospitalized mother in her home state of California. Sheehan started the protests by traveling to Crawford to ask Bush why her soldier son, Casey, had to die in what she calls a senseless war.


'Must Finish'

Although he didn't mention him specifically, Bush spoke of the soldiers who have died. "We offer their families our heartfelt condolences and prayers," he said.

"Now we must finish the task that our troops have give

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 20, 2005 3:54 PM

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 03:52 PM

lol...cathy i didnt have to look it up, i heard it for myself...and he is right...yes her son is dead....and yes this story is another media pushed event like burketts

aww cathy cant you read that and tell what is being said...or does aar and its opinions make you sheepy?

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 3:55 PM

Another real republican anti Cindy hero...Sieg Heil.

Anti-Semite accuses Sheehan of anti-Semitism


What's also outrageous is that someone like Liddy would have the nerve to accuse someone else of being anti-Semitic.

In a November, 2004 interview, Liddy reportedly called Hitler his first political hero and claimed Hitler 'made me feel a strength inside I had never known before... Hitler's sheer animal confidence and power of will [entranced me]. He sent an electric current through my body.'"

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 3:55 PM

dudess im talking about the part that goes to work everyday and isnt taking polls or sitting in a ditch in texas

you know ...the ones that keeping giving us republicans election wins

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 03:48 PM

so is that the 38% and shrinking part?

speaking of going to work everyday... did you know Bush just break a vacation record? heh heh....

now there is a hard working man for you.

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 3:55 PM

We're doing everything here.

This just isn't a steel or rubber town.

We've got game designers. Things like Notown.

Plus we're only a day away from New York by car.

What more do you need?

Another green light from a worn down image...of some Ted Turner classic type actor...and their founding father flop mentality.

C'mon.

What's the beef?

It's called competition.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 3:56 PM

Armstrong Prepares for Ride With Bush - By NEDRA PICKLER The Associated Press

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/26-08202005-530147.html

CRAWFORD, Texas - It's not clear whether Lance Armstrong will have to abide by the standard rules for biking with President Bush when the two famously competitive Texans take their first ride together Saturday. The first rule: Don't pass the president.

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 20, 2005 3:57 PM

call continued

CALLER: It hurts me that she's sending the message that it seems like her son died for nothing. He didn't die for nothing. He died in the United States Armed Forces. There's nothing more honorable than that. These kids volunteered. They were not yanked from their cradle by an evil government to send them someplace they didn't want to go. My son knew on September 12th he was going over. My son knew what was in store for him, and my son stepped up to the plate. The caller you had on Monday, he was talking about, "Gee, how come these senators' kids aren't volunteering if the war is so great?" We're not going to talk about if the war is so great, let's talk about these kids who are great who stepped up to the plate and said, "You know what, I need to do something about this. There's something bigger than me out there."

RUSH: Debbie, exactly right. Debbie, thank you again. You just heard it, Debbie in Indianapolis, the voice of this country.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_081905/content/debbie_in_indianapolis__the_voice_of_america.guest.html


Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 3:57 PM

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 3:58 PM

>>They pick the Government..

They write the laws..

The 2/3 Majority approves it..

Your protest is a bit staged today..

Posted by: War Dog at August 20, 2005 03:52 PM


and you are conveniently ignoring American Soldiers who died to "bring democracy to iraq".


THis is what I'm talking about.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 3:58 PM

Things like Notown.

- -

Oh you are so intelligent Wanda.

I'm so impressed. did you and Diebold figure that one all on your own.

Did it stop the bullet too?

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 3:58 PM

with a global policy like the third reich

soldiers suffering from insurgent strike

just like with rome

bush plays at home

nero fiddeled but george rides his bike

Posted by: RWiley at August 20, 2005 3:59 PM

Any one who spends time here trying to convince War Dog, Celticman and the rest of them of anything needs to look up the word futile.

Posted by: Check Yoself at August 20, 2005 3:59 PM

GW to everyday hardworking american. GO EFF yourself. I am on vacation.

http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2005/08/george_w_bush_i.html

George W. Bush Is First!

George Washington was first in war, first in peace, and first in the hearts of his countrymen. George W. Bush is first...

Rising Hegemon: An Overachiever at Underachieving: Today is the day that George Bush sets the record for vacation days for an American President, 336. Breaking the record in 4 years and 7 months...

...in vacations. Nearly twice the pace of the previous first, Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 4:00 PM

Hey Wanda.

Here's what I'll do.

Kill somebody.

Are you reading this before I post?

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 4:00 PM

speaking of going to work everyday... did you know Bush just break a vacation record? heh heh....

now there is a hard working man for you.

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 03:55 PM

vacations...lol...a little dash of enron and sprig of gitmo and you have the entire liberal playbook

and besides we all know that presidents sit around drink beer and play video games on their vacations...lol..wanda you are smarter than that

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 4:00 PM

Pro-war folks' attacks show desperation


While debating conservative pundit David Horowitz on Ron Reagan's MSNBC show the other night, I was struck by the desperation with which supporters of the war have turned their fury on Cindy Sheehan, the mother of an American soldier killed in Iraq who has been trying to get an audience with President Bush.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 4:01 PM

Iroquoian Friendship Dance

-2 or more singers, usually about 6-10, in the middle, water drum and horn rattles

-Women sometimes join in the singing using the higher pitch

-In pairs, men on the inside, women on the outside with the woman's arm through the man's bowed arm

-Dance step is similar to the stomp step style, but with each step taking two beats

Posted by: at August 20, 2005 4:02 PM

THis is what I'm talking about.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 03:58 PM

================================================

They did not die for you or I to decide what it right for Iraq..

They died for Democracy in Iraq..

Let them Vote Cathy..

Let them work it out..

Look I don't see it either..

I don't know why they go for the stuff they do..

But none the less..

Let them have the vote!

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 4:02 PM

>>futile.

Posted by: Check Yoself at August 20, 2005 03:59 PM


Thanks for the reminder.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 4:02 PM

See how I react to your fascist pig politics in my land of the free?

While we're on that topic of freedom.

When I kill you, because I'm islamic.

Does that mean I'm of the God of Hate?

Because why is Oilver North coming to Canton, to explain what kind of soldiers he wants.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 4:02 PM

Blaming the Antiwar Messengers


Right now, the pro-war propaganda arsenal of the world’s only superpower is drawing a bead on Cindy Sheehan, who now symbolizes the USA’s antiwar grief. She is a moving target, very difficult to hit. But right-wing media sharpshooters are sure to keep trying.
The Bush administration’s top officials must be counting the days until the end of the presidential vacation brings to a close the Crawford standoff between Camp Casey and Camp Carnage. But media assaults on Cindy Sheehan are just in early stages.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 4:03 PM

where is her press coverage wanda?

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 03:49 PM

I tell you what. If MOM will set up a camp in any city in america instead of showing up in Limbutt radio show. I might actually believe what you are saying has credibility.

PS> Limbutt is running out of steam. He has been pounding CIndy for weeks and he got nothing. NOT a thing....except larger and closer camp.

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 4:04 PM

Sorry, that is just the way real world works..

Posted by: War Dog at August 20, 2005 03:39 PM

When your "reality" comes crashing down around you & your fellow conservative nitwit's heads, I will (as I have promised before) take extreme joy & delight in your pain & discomfort. Being in power doesn't make you or yours right or correct, even marginally.

You go on & post your snide horseshit & "looney left" retorts. I'll bide my time & snipe your collective asses where you're weakest (THAT, I'm really good at!).

My/our time will come. And I know that scares the bejesus outta you greedy little bastards.

*smiles*

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 20, 2005 4:05 PM

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 4:06 PM

>>They died for Democracy in Iraq..
Let them Vote Cathy..

So, we kill hundreds of thousands of them, and 1800 of ours, with no end in sight so they could vote in January-- to not have democracy.

And I said Bush didn't have a plan! Boy, was I wrong.

There, I admitted to being wrong. I guess you're work here is done.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 4:06 PM

In reality...while you're gettin' over her pathetic ability to wage electronic warfare...

And this is to my audience here.

You'll realize that it's not about being weak for being a democracy...

...or being too free for...wanting to destroy your enemies.

It's a matter of how calm you are in the face of terrorism...not how much you over-react.

In this case, Oliver North is a pathetic American.

As well as the pathetic posers...who are posting here as psi-ops, hackers, or intelligence. No matter which country.

Not to be trusted. Period. End of sentence.

(They are criminals.)

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 4:07 PM

PS> Limbutt is running out of steam. He has been pounding CIndy for weeks and he got nothing. NOT a thing....except larger and closer camp.

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 04:04 PM

lol... and no one cares except the media and you guys...

later libs

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 4:08 PM

vacations...

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 04:00 PM

It's called irony my dear. You want to talk about hard working american? You got the laziest fuck in the office. You want to talk about serving and patriotism? you got an awol with cod piece pranching around in carrier deck.

It's a matter of credibility. Why do you think it's 38% now? or why it is getting so hard for you to spin anything here?

It's cause you got no credibility.

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 4:08 PM

Are you at Jims??

Posted by: War Dog at August 20, 2005 03:45 PM

Yes. I'm helping him with a few projects around the house. we are getting a bit done, the mornings start fairly slow. We've been up since 9, but haven't gotten started on any of the projects yet.

we went to the hardware store then stopped by a really cool carshow. and now we've just finished lunch.

I've got to get the back yard finished up and we have god-knows-how-long to go with the art project tonight.

Its such a nice day, I have to wonder how long it'll be before we end up at the carshow?

Posted by: ÇhûþþŸ ßûþþã™ at August 20, 2005 4:08 PM

Does anybody whether or not Rush shoots his
Oxycontin? I've never heard if he cooks them
down and shoots them or swallows them.

He's a big guy and probably has a high tolerance.
If he's eating the pills, he would need more, to
really get a buzz on!

Posted by: Jimmy The Junkie at August 20, 2005 4:08 PM

Radio Address of President Bush to the Nation
Saturday August 20, 10:06 am ET

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050820/dcsa003.html?.v=8

WASHINGTON, Aug. 20 /PRNewswire/ -- The following is the radio address of President Bush to the nation:

THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. In a few weeks, our country will mark the four-year anniversary of the attacks of September the 11th, 2001. On that day, we learned that vast oceans and friendly neighbors no longer protect us from those who wish to harm our people. And since that day, we have taken the fight to the enemy.

We have combated terrorists on the home front by disrupting terror cells and their financial support networks. We're fighting the terrorists in Afghanistan, Iraq, and around the world, striking them in foreign lands before they can attack us here at home. And we're spreading the hope of freedom across the broader Middle East. By advancing the cause of liberty in a troubled region, we are bringing security to our own citizens and laying the foundations of peace for our children and grandchildren.

In this war, our nation depends on the courage of those who wear the uniform. During the coming weeks, I will meet with some of the brave men and women who have been on the front lines in the war on terror. Next week in Idaho, I will visit with some of the fine citizen soldiers of the Idaho National Guard. I will also see the men and women of the Mountain Home Air Force Base who played a leading role in the air campaign in Afghanistan after the September the 11th attacks. I will thank all of them for their service in the war on terror and I will thank the families who make their essential work possible.

Our troops know that they're fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere to protect their fellow Americans from a savage enemy. They know that if we do not confront these evil men abroad, we will have to face them one day in our own cities and streets, and they know that the safety and security of every American is at stake in this war, and they know we will prevail.

Next week, in Utah, I will also address the Veterans of Foreign

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 20, 2005 4:09 PM

More Drugs For Rush!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 20, 2005 4:10 PM

So, we kill hundreds of thousands of them, and 1800 of ours, with no end in sight so they could vote in January-- to not have democracy.

=================================================

The act of voting for and determining their own destiny is Democracy..

Not the getting the outcome of the election that would make Cathy most happy..

Clearly last November did not leave you happy..

None the less.....

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 4:10 PM

Does anybody know whether or not Rush shoots his Oxycontin? I've never heard if he cooks them down and shoots them or swallows them.

He's a big guy and probably has a high tolerance. If he's eating the pills, he would need more, to really get a buzz on!

Posted by: Jimmy The Junkie at August 20, 2005 04:08 PM

Posted by: Jimmy The Junkie at August 20, 2005 4:10 PM

Let them have the vote!

Posted by: War Dog at August 20, 2005 04:02 PM


Oh Their Going too Vote Baghdad Bob.

Then Americans are going to want someone's head on a stick for making another Islamic Theocracy like Iran with American Blood and Taxpayer Money.

Posted by: Kevin at August 20, 2005 4:10 PM

This is why I advocate a Bush Doctrine assassination policy...for any vip in America...who says this is a Holy War.

Those people need to be killed, so I may believe in religious freedom again.

Because it looks to me, like these cowards aren't practising what they preach. And that's treason.

Jefferson would say the same thing.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 4:11 PM

later libs

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 04:08 PM

buh byeee.. thanks for playing.

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 4:11 PM

What will the body count look like in another 4 years?...What wil lthe antiwar movement look like in 4 more years?...What will the polls look like in 4 more years?...4 more years...we dont care...4 more years...we dont care...it's got a ring to it don't you think?

Army planning for 4 more years in Iraq


The Army is planning for the possibility of keeping the current number of soldiers in Iraq -- well over 100,000 -- for four
more years, the Army's top general said Saturday.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 4:12 PM

Ordinarily I'm a lead by example kind of guy.

So which one of these pathetic fucks do you want dead.

I'm sayin' North has to go. Kill him.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 4:12 PM

You go on & post your snide horseshit & "looney left" retorts. I'll bide my time & snipe your collective asses where you're weakest (THAT, I'm really good at!).

My/our time will come. And I know that scares the bejesus outta you greedy little bastards.

*smiles*

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 20, 2005 04:05 PM

=================================================

The way I see the Democrats have a chance to come back a little..

History says they should..

You have not chance..

Isn't Hillary your Senator?

Try to sell your clown crazy to Hillary!

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 4:12 PM

Recently, Limbaug was going "all religion". That was a hoot.

---------

rush limbaugh on an oxycontin fix

spies daryn and feels like some kicks

he drags her to the shed

puts a bag on her head

and whispers please be my wife number six

Posted by: RWiley at August 20, 2005 4:14 PM

I swear to Christ Oh God mother fuck, Janeane...if O'Reilly even hints at violence towards you...I'll burn that fuck into a grave...I swear I will.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 4:14 PM

lol... and no one cares except the media and you guys...

Posted by: celticman at August 20, 2005 04:08 PM

yeah sure. and here you are busy spinning for full half hour. so much for ' no one cares'

and Limbutt is bringing in MOM even... there is a 'no one cares' for you.

feh.

weak spin my friend. try again later.

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 4:14 PM

Then Americans are going to want someone's head on a stick for making another Islamic Theocracy like Iran with American Blood and Taxpayer Money.


Posted by: Kevin at August 20, 2005 04:10 PM

==============================================

Kevie have you become L@L clown understudy??

He has picked a good man with a lot of promise..

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 4:16 PM

But Bill is smarter than that, thank the Lord almighty.

North tells War Stories on Fox, because he needs to remind himself what heros are.

It's perfect, because we're not weak. The marines aren't weaker because of him.

He's just an imbicile...and Fox took care of it.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 4:17 PM

Browns just won,


Cleveland (2-0-0) 21


Detroit (0-2-0) 13

Posted by: Kevin at August 20, 2005 4:17 PM

The one thing that will unite Iraq is their hatred for us.

Iraqi General says US troops shot him


An Iraqi general who commands the country's border defence force was shot and wounded while driving in Baghdad late on Saturday and accused U.S. troops of firing on his car, police and hospital sources said.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 4:18 PM

At least that's what it looks like to me.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 4:18 PM

The blog has been less entertaining without your clown routine..

Posted by: War Dog at August 20, 2005 03:54 PM

And until such time that "your reality" does come crashing down around your head....

I'll be perfectly contented to piss you off, MUTT.

Yeah, I DO miss ripping you a new ass & then watch as you revert to the sniveling, snide little weasel that we all know you are!

[Watch this next one get a response, kids.]

So, you count your foldin' money yet today, greedhead? [nods toward Sunny Jim]

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 20, 2005 4:18 PM

>>ot the getting the outcome of the election that would make Cathy most happy..

more to the point, I'm sure it didn't thrill Bush either. They basically voted to say Fuck You to America. Their choice of course, and I don't blame them at all. It was deserved. But why did we have to lose so many of our kids to get told to bugger off?

I'm still waiting to hear you justify the deaths of our kids and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives, just to be told democracy isn't wanted.

I never said I was disappointed in the outcome of their election, I never said they didn't have the right to an election, I never said they must think our way or else...I just don't think we needed to kill off so many people to achieve....nothing. If they wanted to have an election we disagreed with, we didn't need to go there and die, now, did we?

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 4:20 PM

You know SecDefs are never stupid.

How much panic do you think you would be if you woke up one day...and North was Jeb Bush's running mate.

I think the country might riot.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 4:20 PM

The left adjusts it's theories to fit the evidence.

The right adjusts it's evidence to fit it's theories.

Case in point. War Doofus.

nuff said?

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 4:20 PM

Hi Nobody, Kevin, Wanda, ♥, Cathy in The Bronx, oops, I mean - Seattle. Hehehe...

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 20, 2005 4:21 PM

there's a hotdog missing off the kitchen counter.

so far I'm above suspission/

Posted by: ÇhûþþŸ ßûþþã™ at August 20, 2005 4:22 PM

Posted by: War Dog at August 20, 2005 04:16 PM

You just keep spinning the BS there Baghdad Bob and you'll keep me laughing.

LOL

Posted by: Kevin at August 20, 2005 4:23 PM

Which is the heat right now if I'm not mistaken from comedy's dialogue this week.

I mean, Jesus...$80.oo a barrel?

It was supposed to stabilize above $50.

Shouldn't we just call it for what is.

An oil embargo by OPEC by now?

Rumsfeld isn't going to disagree. He's a confirm, or deny talking head...right?

I mean it's an embargo, because we attacked Iraq.

Duh. Time to stop the bullshit.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 4:23 PM

>>Cathy in The Bronx

hey wadda ya tawkin abowt!

Posted by: Cathy in the Bronx at August 20, 2005 4:24 PM

I'll be perfectly contented to piss you off, MUTT.

Yeah, I DO miss ripping you a new ass & then watch as you revert to the sniveling, snide little weasel that we all know you are!

[Watch this next one get a response, kids.]

So, you count your foldin' money yet today, greedhead? [nods toward Sunny Jim]

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 20, 2005 04:18 PM

================================================

Ah, Libby...

You don't mind if I call you Libby, do you??

Like all clowns you bring a smile to my face..

Yes Jimmy has told me of the Gloom and Doom to come..

It sound most fearful..

He has promise to give me a heads-up when the end is near..

I wait with baited breath..

Good luck with that end of world as we know it thing..

But remember I go by outcomes...!!!

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 4:25 PM

fucking lying again.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9020634/

Bush links Iraq war with Sept. 11 attacks
President says troops fighting to protect Americans from terrorism

CRAWFORD, Texas - President Bush said Saturday U.S. troops in Iraq were fighting to protect Americans at home from terrorism like the Sept. 11 attacks four years ago.

"Our troops know that they're fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere to protect their fellow Americans from a savage enemy," Bush said in his weekly radio address.

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 4:25 PM

Running from Cindy? Campaigning to cover his losses? Nothing to worry about at all...nope...You can campaingn you just can't govern.

Bush Begins 5-Day Push to Defend Iraq War


The protesters at "Camp Casey" can claim some victory for forcing Bush to talk so extensively about the military deaths when he'd rather focus on indictors of progress in Iraq. The campers' call to bring the troops home now dominated news coverage out of Crawford this week while Bush stayed on his ranch with no public events.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 4:26 PM

>>Good luck with that end of world as we know it thing..

so you're not as worried about Iran nuking us as you were last night? I'm glad to hear it.

Posted by: Cathy in the Bronx at August 20, 2005 4:28 PM

HI "NEWS CONSUMER"

***************

speaking of going to work everyday... did you know Bush just break a vacation record? heh heh....

now there is a hard working man for you.

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 03:55 PM

How Hard can it be to be President if you've taken a 1 years worth of Vacation in less than 5 Years on the Job.

Bush has an Attendance Problem.

Posted by: Kevin at August 20, 2005 4:28 PM

I mean Bill Burr is right.

It's not TRL. It's the Daly show.

You can laugh if you want to.

I mention I'm fat...and he goes on...

Stuns you so bad with the comedy...you can't laugh. And you wonder what is about fat people that makes it an epidemic.

Is it like the bodies are stacked...like locusts...

Kids are too fat. Oh the tragedy...must we? I mean should we? Is it true...we need to worry??

I don't know.

I don't know.

I was losing it, like an insane person...but maybe I'm afraid the cows have won. I can longer be free in America.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 4:28 PM

But remember I go by outcomes...!!!


Posted by: War Dog at August 20, 2005 04:25 PM

if you wait until the thrust hits to parry you're already dead.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 4:29 PM

Recently Rush Limbaugh made the following comment on his daily radio show in regards to Cindy Sheehan, mother of fallen soldier, Casey Sheehan. "Her story is nothing more than forged documents. There's nothing about it that's real, including the mainstream media's glomming onto it. It's not real. It's nothing more than an attempt. It's the latest effort made by the coordinated left."

I found this lie so egregious, that it prompted me to start an online petition asking that Rush Limbaugh apologize to Cindy Sheehan and her son, Casey.

Please visit the following URL if you'd like to join me in signing this petition. http://www.petitiononline.com/CSCS1234/petition.html

Please also forward this URL to all friends and family that sympathize with Cindy.

Thanks!

Posted by: CenzosMom at August 20, 2005 4:29 PM

War Dog used to be fun. But now he keeps ringing my bell.

Posted by: Panic Meter at August 20, 2005 4:30 PM

Isn't it enough...to just look around once in a while...

And say there's nothing tangible that I can taste, smell, hear, touch, or see...that's God?

Why is it so important to follow somebody else's interpretation of the Holy Bible...

When it's so obvious it's the oil and greed.

Not only that. You aren't just calling the Prez stoopid.

He's hoping you will be gullible enough to forget...to check his bank statement. Because it's not about the money.

It's about the Holy War.

And the Christian killing Moslems. And about hating brown people, but only the ones they say...

Is this America?

Seriously.

Five days they were saying he was going to give the "stay the course" nautical speech.

Are you stupid?

Are you too free?

Are you afraid to stand up to a dictatorship after what we saw in World War II?

Watch him. Watch what he says. Sometimes it runs through your head...the only solution might be assassination. I think he's got a messiah complex.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 4:37 PM

The President is a Joke

Late-Night Jokes About Bush's Record-Setting 2005 Vacation


"President Bush is going on his annual vacation. The White House says he goes to his Texas Ranch to unwind. I'm thinking, when does he wind?" --David Letterman


"As you know, President Bush is taking 5 weeks off. It's like he's still in the National Guard." --Jay Leno


"It turns out President Bush can run again in the next election. Now I know you're only supposed to be allowed two terms, but the Supreme Court said if you count his vacation time, he's barely served one." --Jay Leno

"President Bush is on a five-week vacation. How many folks get five weeks off a year? You know, if I want five weeks off I have to have open heart surgery, for God's sake." --David Letterman

Posted by: Kevin at August 20, 2005 4:37 PM

Hi CenzosMom, Rush is dealing with his lie. He's denying he ever said it. That's good enough for the Dittoidiots, so don't expect anything better from him.

But count on me to sign it. Anything to embarrass him for his idiocy.

ok, just did it. Thanks for bringing it here.

Posted by: Cathy in the Bronx at August 20, 2005 4:38 PM

How many social security checks is that?

The Trillion-Dollar War


If the American military presence in Iraq and Afghanistan lasts another five years, the total cost of the war could stretch to more than $1.3 trillion.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 4:38 PM

How many republicans thought that they were voting for "fiscal conservatism"?

Alaska's Road to Nowhere


Alaska is on course to get $300 million from the federal government to build a road to nowhere.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 4:41 PM

President Bush continues to suggest that if we don't fight the terrorists in Iraq (a war he started) that we will have to fight them here in the US. Well, mr. president, the hypocracy of your argument is found in the fact that the Russians, Chinese, Europeans, Australians, and all the othe countries around the globe are fighting against your pathetic foriegn policies ... you refuse to protect our borders, and then you forget that the entire world can just simply walk into the US because of your ridiculous ingorant lying excuses for more war! When will you be satisfied my Bush, after you have conquered the world?

Posted by: Peter at August 20, 2005 4:41 PM

The terrorists may have won.

They just have might.

It's so half ass backwards now I don't know what to think. I'd rather hear Edwards speak than Kerry though.

John just looks beat down by it all.

I mean this is all opinion...

It's not revealing secrets and shit.

What you got...is basically a small group trying to threaten a big group. So these modern day versions of the Nazi fascists...who go by the titles conservative or Republican or some nonsense like that...

These guys don't number enough to control...so that's been their big thing.

Changing the Constitution.

Changing over 200 years of proven democracy.

So what you have to do is aim for the people, not them.

That's what I've been doing the past two weeks.

It's what makes me dangerous. I'm the majority.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 4:43 PM

So here's what I think.

When Bush calls himself God.

Kill him.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 4:46 PM

Bush can't grieve. He can't feel. He can't admit to any mistakes because he doesn't believe that he can make any.

A Historical Footnote


Cindy Sheehan represents only a small part of America’s greater tragedy in Iraq.

Any other politician who had a Gold Star mother in his driveway would get the cameras rolling, give her a big hug and gain points for compassion. Instead of doing what should come naturally to a democratic leader, President George W. Bush deepened the crisis enveloping his presidency by arrogantly refusing to grant Cindy Sheehan an audience. He may have missed that opportunity for good now that Sheehan has rushed to California to see about her ailing mother.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 4:46 PM

so in the end...all you need to do is control the House, create a media to carry your ideas and make fun of your opponents, and the rest will fall into place.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 4:47 PM

Bush has an Attendance Problem.

Posted by: Kevin at August 20, 2005 04:28 PM

Bush IS the problem...

It's theater.

The whole thing is staged. Like the State of the Nation address. Ok camera 1 on Bush, camera 2 ready on Rummy - cut to camera 2 , camera 3 pan right to Laura and Illad Allawi & the soldiers mother - cut to camera 3, applause..

He pushes emotional buttons by appealing to peoples worst instincts...

Klan triple murder and the rise of the GOP

http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/columnists/ny-oppay264319003jun26,0,3485046.column?coll=ny-opinion-columnists

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 20, 2005 4:47 PM

I know the cowboys all love him and shit.

And they know enough in those Wal-Marts to save us all in the redemption...with those crazed books about the end times...and...

Those freaky contracts with Garth Brooks...while at the same time making us all minimum wage slaves.

But I say, fuck it doggie.

It's time to kill him.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 4:48 PM

BBL

Posted by: Kevin at August 20, 2005 4:48 PM

Hi, I'm Brian Gerlach and that''s pretty much where my patience is with the Commander-In-Chief.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 4:49 PM

Becuase I can explain to the troops where my head is, Barbara.

I'm not going to lose my job...or my votes...or hurt anyone's feelings becuase Nazi got dropped like a bomb.

Because this Holy War is all FUCKIN' BULLSHIT!!!

What the fuck do you want to do to protect the country? Huh? What do you want to do? Answer it it...or take the fifth.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 4:51 PM

Petty.

Petty is what you do to your neighbors lawn.

What we did to Iraq...that's damn near extermination.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 4:53 PM

When will you be satisfied Mr. Bush, after you have conquered the world?

Posted by: Peter at August 20, 2005 04:41 PM

Somebody already tried that.

It didn't work out...

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 20, 2005 4:53 PM

so you're not as worried about Iran nuking us as you were last night? I'm glad to hear it.

Posted by: Cathy in the Bronx at August 20, 2005 04:28 PM

=================================================

Did you move...

I am not worried because they will not be allowed..

Easy...

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 4:56 PM

You already got the bomb.

I'm just sayin'. Bill Barr.

There's a huge leap between 1800 and 180,000.

There's a huge leap between a million and a billion.

There's 8 billion missing in Iraq.

Where the fuck did it go...or the children get exterminated first.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 4:56 PM

Bye Kevin~

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 4:57 PM

This is mad money.

This ain't fraud.

It's a new political party. They are fascists. Nazi's.

And they are killers.

Be agressive, right? Defend yourself...but lay it out on the table.

This is what my Christ is all about. Not that.

This is my country. This is freedom.

If you have to start a revolution...

Begin with what works. Not something new. What the people want. Representation.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 4:59 PM

President Bush continues to suggest that if we don't fight the terrorists in Iraq (a war he started) that we will have to fight them here in the US. Well, mr. president, the hypocracy of your argument is found in the fact that the Russians, Chinese, Europeans, Australians, and all the othe countries around the globe are fighting against your pathetic foriegn policies ... you refuse to protect our borders, and then you forget that the entire world can just simply walk into the US because of your ridiculous ingorant lying excuses for more war! When will you be satisfied my Bush, after you have conquered the world?

Bush is going to destroy us all for that DAMN oil in the ground ... where are the electric cars ??? I want to buy one !!!

Posted by: Peter at August 20, 2005 5:01 PM

Violence isn't something I want, it's what I'm left to do...when there's taxarion without representation.

The children being killed...are just an allegory of where you're priorities need to be.

Do the math.

Look at it from the perspective of numbers...not emotion.

It's oil, not terrorism. Too late to trust them now.

They are trying to change the Constitution. We still can stop them at the pass, boys.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 5:03 PM

if you wait until the thrust hits to parry you're already dead.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 04:29 PM

Touché! (and Amen!)

I swear I'll follow "The Code" & pay for his funeral.

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 20, 2005 5:05 PM

Call it Heartless: Bush's Emotional Incapacities


Why the evacuation from Washington to Crawford? Well, his approval ratings are fast plummeting. Republican Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist turned his back on Bush and came out in favor of stem cell research. Members of President's cartel may be facing federal indictments over the leaking of a CIA operative. Iraq isn't looking so good, either - soldiers are getting blown up daily. A few of their bereaved parents are even camping outside his plush ranch demanding an explanation for their children's deaths. Indeed there isn't much news the Bush administration can feel good about.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 5:05 PM

Don't be frustrated.

They rue the day Democrats gain control again.

There are a lot of crooks in for a big surprise.

But first, everyone needs to open up themselves.

I say call and write your Congressmen.

Tell each and every single one of them...that George Bush is crazed.

He's a Jesus Freak.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 5:06 PM

"Maybe Bush needs a cocktail. Looks like the baby Jesus isn't doing it for him."

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 5:07 PM

Then tell them to go back to Washington DC and...

...protect the country. Protect the people they represent, do their duty, earn those paychecks.

Becuase they are only making themselves rich.

That's the ultimatum.

No other way to put it.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 5:08 PM

Posted by: at August 20, 2005 5:09 PM

I swear I'll follow "The Code" & pay for his funeral.

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 20, 2005 05:05 PM

I'll pitch in if you can drag it out a bit...

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 5:09 PM

And I'm not even a leader.

l-ater and good luck

(I'm leaving. Too many Nazis here.)

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 5:11 PM

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 5:12 PM

George Bush and the 2004 Elections: A Perspective from the South by Heather Gray Thursday, November 11, 2004 by Common Dreams

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1111-31.htm

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 20, 2005 5:13 PM

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 5:14 PM

Posted by: pix at August 20, 2005 5:18 PM

Daddy...What's a neocon?

Dual Disloyalty: Feith and the Occupations of Gaza and Iraq


He pushed hard for both. Others are paying the price in blood.

Feith is such a radical that he won't even refer to the West Bank as the West Bank — he uses the biblical names Judea and Samaria. And he doesn't even like to say "occupied territories," even though they are. In fact, our own government officially refers to them as "occupied" and freely uses the term "West Bank." Just look at the CIA map of Israel above, and you'll see that Gaza and the West Bank are separate from Israel, and each carries an asterisk.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 5:21 PM

Then Americans are going to want someone's head on a stick for making another Islamic Theocracy like Iran with American Blood and Taxpayer Money.

Posted by: Kevin at August 20, 2005 04:10 PM

==============================================

Kevie have you become L@L clown understudy??

He has picked a good man with a lot of promise..

Posted by: War Dog at August 20, 2005 04:16 PM

History & the US electorate will soon prove you're right, Kev.

*

"Bring in the clowns....err....defendants, Bailiff."

[Defense attorney #1] "Your Honor, my client, Mr. Bush, waives the reading of the indictments and makes a motion for release on his own recognizance."

[Defense attorney #2] "Your Honor, Mr. Cheney enters the same motion."

[Judge (from beneath his chair where he is rolling on the floor, laughing his ass off. Pokes his head up just high enough to be seen by those in the courtroom, tears streaming down his eyes)] "You're fucking shittin' me, right?...DENIED!...REMANDED!"

Ahhhhh....to be able to watch da MUTT's reactions to this when it is first televised....that would be sweet, sweet justice.

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Posted by: Vacation with Bush in Donnelly, Idaho at August 20, 2005 5:26 PM

Tick...tick...tick...

CIA Report on 9/11 Is Complete


The CIA inspector general's report on the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks has finally been completed -- nearly two years after its congressionally set deadline -- but has yet to be sent to Capitol Hill because CIA Director Porter J. Goss is still deciding how to respond to its findings

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 5:29 PM

This will make Sith101 happy...

Illegals dying at record rate in Arizona desert

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 5:31 PM

Klan triple murder and the rise of the GOP

http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/columnists/ny-oppay264319003jun26,0,3485046.column?coll=ny-opinion-columnists


George Bush and the 2004 Elections: A Perspective from the South by Heather Gray Thursday, November 11, 2004 by Common Dreams

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1111-31.htm


Baghdad Year Zero - by Naomi Klein

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0924-13.htm


On "Iraqifying" the Quagmire; Draining the Swamp
by Tom Englehardt

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1120-36.htm

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 20, 2005 5:36 PM

Not enough money and you're sentenced to death...

Health System Discriminates Against U.S. Blacks, Poor - Studies


''While we all may read more about the impact of public hospital closures on inner cities, the fact is we are also seeing the potential for an impending access crisis in suburbs with high-poverty populations,'' said Andrulis. ''These high-poverty suburbs exist disproportionately in California, Texas, and other areas in the south.''

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 5:36 PM

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 5:40 PM

[From Kev:] "President Bush is going on his annual vacation. The White House says he goes to his Texas Ranch to unwind. I'm thinking, when does he wind?" --David Letterman

Ahhhh, it's all in the context, eh?

When he eats too much homemade beef jerky.

When Karl walks into the Oval unannounced with poll figures in his hand.

When the Joint Chiefs request a meeting AND 5 gallons of strong coffee.

When Mom or Dad calls.

*snark*

A Liberal-at-large (pitifully channelling the Cranker]

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 20, 2005 5:41 PM

Lemme see...foxnews is losing viewers like water through a sieve and the net is gaining people at the same rate...He's trying his damnedest to maintain control of the media?

Jeremy Warner's Outlook: Second coming of the dot.com boom as Murdoch rediscovers the joys of the internet


Aussies eye London Stock Exchange; Archie Norman; not available for hire

Another day and news of yet another internet purchase by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. In recent months Mr Murdoch has embarked on an internet buying spree worthy of the dot.com gold rush. Admire or despise him, Mr Murdoch is one of the world's canniest media tycoons, so what's he up to?

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 5:45 PM

Rocky's call to protest Bush makes vets see red
Mayor's e-mail: 'Nothing radical,' supporters say

By Glen Warchol

The Salt Lake Tribune

Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson called for "the biggest demonstration this state has ever seen" to protest President Bush's appearance Monday before a national veterans convention.

"This administration has been disastrous to the country," Anderson said Friday. "If people could organize and speak out in an effective manner from the reddest state in the country, that would garner a lot of attention."

In an e-mail Wednesday to about 10 activist leaders, the maverick mayor of Utah's capital called for a diverse demonstration to greet Bush when he speaks to the Veterans of Foreign Wars at the Salt Palace Convention Center. The mayor plans to join the protesters.

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_2958368

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Are you bored honey?...Here take these crayons and draw daddy a pretty picture...I really like flowers you know...

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 5:54 PM

Posted by: http://wherethehellismatt.com/blog/ at August 20, 2005 5:56 PM

Henry still kicking ass in part 6

Trade wars can lead to shooting wars


Within US policy circles, the rapid rise of China as a major force in the global economy is provoking a reconsideration of whether free trade is still in the US national interest.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 5:57 PM

WHY I AM BETTER THAN YOU IN MORE WAYS THAN YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY:

SOMETIMES PEOPLE ASK ME, "WHY ARE YOU BETTER THAN ME? I KNOW YOU ARE BETTER THAN ME, BUT WHY? HOW COME I CAN'T BE BETTER? I KNOW HOW TO MAKE POP-TARTS!" AND I TELL THEM, "BECAUSE I AM EL SERPENTO AND THAT IS THE LAW OF THE LAND AND THE LAW OF MY HAND... AND FIST." THEN THEY START TO UNDERSTAND ME. BUT I WILL WANT TO MAKE THINGS CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THINGS I AM BETTER THAN YOU WILL EVER BE NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY TO GET BETTER. BECAUSE BEING BETTER MEANS YOU CAN LEARN GOOD LIKE DOLPHIN.

I AM BETTER. YES. DO NOT TOUCH ME, IT WILL NOT MAKE YOU BETTER.

THINGS I AM BETTER:

-SWIMMING AND HOLDING BREATH

-EATING AND HOLDING BREATH

-HOLDING BREATH AND HOLDING THE BREATH INSIDE THAT VERY SAME BREATH

-CRIMES

-SHOWING MUSCLES TO THE LADIES

-SHOWING LADIES TO THE MUSCLES

-MAKING EVERYONE CRY BECAUSE THEY CANNOT HAVE ME OR BE LIKE ME OR BATHE IN MY SPIT.

-DISCOVERING NEW LANDS WHICH I CAN MAKE MORE AWESOME AND CRIME-FILLED SIMPLY BY STEPPING ON THEM

-I HAVE WEBBED FEET. THEY ARE BETTER TOO.

-DOCTORING

-FUNERAL DIRECTORING

-SINGING FOR BANDS WHO I KILL AFTER THE SHOW BECAUSE I DESERVE ALL THE MONEY FROM THAT NIGHT SINCE I HAVE ALL THE TALENT AND THE GOOD BREATHS

-I HELD MY BREATH THE ENTIRE TIME THAT I WROTE THIS LINE

-BEING BETTER

SO YOU SEE THAT IT IS CLEAR NOW. AND IF IT IS NOT CLEAR, IT IS NOT WATER. IT IS MILK, AND MILK COMES FROM THE SLOW COWS YOU SHOULD BE HAMMERING TO FREE THE WATER FROM INSIDE THEIR HEADS.

THEY ARE JUST LIKE A CACTUS BUT WITH LESS SPIKES.

OK IT TIME FOR ME TO GO DO MORE AWESOMES. I AM BETTER.

Posted by: elserpento.com at August 20, 2005 5:58 PM

Secrets Of The Morgue: Baghdad's Body Count

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 05:14 PM

Thanks for the link.

I heard Robert Fisk interviewed on the BBC the other day. He described the scene in the morgue. The number of dead and how they were found - Hands tied behind their backs with bullets in their heads. He said their were death squads operating in Iraq and the number of Iraqi' being killed was staggering.

"We are not supposed to know that the Iraqi capital's death toll last month was only 700 short of the total American fatalities in Iraq since April of 2003. Of the dead, 963 were men - many with their hands bound, their eyes taped and bullets in their heads - and 137 women. The statistics are as shameful as they are horrifying. For these are the men and women we supposedly came to "liberate" - and about whose fate we do not care."

"The dead of Iraq - as they have from the beginning of our illegal invasion - were simply written out of the script. Officially they do not exist."

"The writing of the new constitution - or the failure to complete it - now occupies the time of Western diplomats and journalists. The dead, it seems, do not count."

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 20, 2005 6:01 PM

Posted by: at August 20, 2005 6:06 PM

[...O]n July 15, a panel of federal appellate court judges upheld Bush's sovereign right to dispose of "enemy combatants" any way he pleases, the Washington Post reports. In a chilling decision, the judges ruled that the Commander's arbitrarily designated "enemies" are non-persons: neither the Geneva Conventions nor American military and domestic law apply to such garbage. Bush is now free to subject anyone he likes to the "military tribunal" system he has concocted - a brutal sham that some top retired military officials have denounced as a "kangaroo court" that will be used by tyrants around the world to "hide their oppression under U.S. precedent."

One of the kowtowing jurists on the appeals panel was none other than John G. Roberts. Four days after he affirmed Bush's autocratic powers, Roberts was duly awarded with a nomination to the Supreme Court. Now he will be sitting in final judgment on this case - and any other challenges to Bush's peremptory commands. This is what is known, in the tyrant trade, as "a safe pair of hands."

The ruling by Roberts and his fellow Republican jurists ignores the fact that the Geneva Conventions - which lay down strict guidelines for the handling of any person detained by military forces, regardless of the captive's status - have been incorporated into the U.S. legal code, as Deep Blade points out. They cannot be abrogated by presidential fiat. And anyone who commits a "grave breach" of the Conventions - by facilitating the killing, torture or inhuman treatment of detainees (e.g., stripping them of all legal status and subjecting them to rigged tribunals) - is subject to the death penalty under American law.

Just what we need, another Scalia!

All the lipstick in DC won't dress up this pig. Roberts is nothing but a Gonzales (the AG) with a white man's vitae.

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 20, 2005 6:15 PM

Posted by: http://www.lynxgirlslive.com/main.asp at August 20, 2005 6:17 PM

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 6:18 PM

Not enough money and you're sentenced to death...

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 05:36 PM

Work until you drop: how the long-hours culture is killing us

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 05:40 PM

These issues are not being addressed by the administration. By not addressing them the conditions are being exaserbated. With the war in Iraq, the Bush administration is clearly working against the interest of average Americans and others around the world...

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 20, 2005 6:19 PM

Posted by: elserpento.com at August 20, 2005 05:58 PM

We already have one of those. Try another blog.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 20, 2005 6:19 PM

Must read.

http://villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/archive/001182.php

The erstwhile Pentagon official is a key player in not only the disastrous occupation of Iraq but in trying to make sure Israel clung to the disastrous occupation of Gaza.

Feith is such a radical that he won't even refer to the West Bank as the West Bank — he uses the biblical names Judea and Samaria. And he doesn't even like to say "occupied territories," even though they are. In fact, our own government officially refers to them as "occupied" and freely uses the term "West Bank." Just look at the CIA map of Israel above, and you'll see that Gaza and the West Bank are separate from Israel, and each carries an asterisk.

But there's no asterisk attached to Feith's version of Israel. The son of a founder of Likud, he has pursued a radical Zionist policy at the expense of Israel's own Jews, a majority of whom don't favor the settlers.

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 6:25 PM

CELTICALISTICALMAN IS NOT FOOLED BY NO DEAD KIDS! HE IS A MANNY-MAN AND KNOWS THAT CINDY IS A BIG FAKER! HE IS NOT BUYING IT BECAUSE HIS WINKIEBONE TELLS HIM THAT PEOPLE DO NOT CARE ABOUT DEAD SONS SO CINDY IS A BIG LIAR! HAHAHAHAHA! EVIL WINS IN YOUR BUTT EVERY TIME! HAHAHAHA! KILL ALL THE LIBBIE MOONIEBAT PUNK BITCH WAFFLEHEADS! YAHOOOOOIE! WAP WAP WAP!

Posted by: Screeching Points at August 20, 2005 6:25 PM

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 20, 2005 06:19 PM

You assume that it's an accidental thing...It's not.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 6:25 PM

Leave It To Bush

Posted by: ♥ at August 20, 2005 06:06 PM

"I don't remember asking you a goddamn thing!"

You go, Samuel L.!

*snark*

Hiya, Shelly dearest!

*

Biaw, my turn to make dinner.

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 20, 2005 6:28 PM

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 6:28 PM

Posted by: ♥ at August 20, 2005 06:06 PM

what a riot! even cheddar laughed! I just sent several emails of it.

Posted by: Exhausted Blogger at August 20, 2005 6:29 PM

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 06:25 PM

Actually The group Feith belongs to draws Israels borders as encompassing Jordan and all of Iraq

don't miss the henry liu series either...

http://atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/GH20Dj01.html

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 6:32 PM

You assume that it's an accidental thing...It's not.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 06:25 PM

I know...

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 20, 2005 6:32 PM

they have to die soon at american hands or the world will destroy us

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 20, 2005 6:33 PM

Within US policy circles, the rapid rise of China as a major force in the global economy is provoking a reconsideration of whether free trade is still in the US national interest.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 05:57 PM

China is financing our housing bubble and they've told us recently to shape up with our debt to them or they are going to invest elsewhere. Little do we citizens know what economic surprises await us in the near future. All I know is, I'm staying away from the cities, except for brief visits.

Posted by: Exhausted Blogger at August 20, 2005 6:34 PM

China is financing our housing bubble and they've told us recently to shape up with our debt to them or they are going to invest elsewhere. Little do we citizens know what economic surprises await us in the near future. All I know is, I'm staying away from the cities, except for brief visits.

Posted by: Exhausted Blogger at August 20, 2005 06:34 PM

In return the Bush adminstration is quietly selling off public lands...

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 6:42 PM

Do you think merchants would try to gas you?

I mean...

Y'know. Like shoot you with an air compressed blast...too small to be noticable at first...but later.

You were poisoned by Nazi's in their store.

Out of all your merchants...

Which one do you think are possible candidates for nazis?

I'm kinda thinking Blockbuster.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 6:42 PM

A fools bet.


"A market economy is a feeble weakling compared with a wartime command economy. That a war in Asia would relocate manufacturing jobs back to the United States in large scale to get the US economy moving again must have occurred to the neo-con warriors who have been controlling US policy since 2000. The hawks in this group are betting that China's nuclear deterrence against attacks from the US can be neutralized by the US strategic defense initiative (SDI), and that the US mainland will again be safe from attack."

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 6:44 PM

Think about it, man.

Where else could the Nazis methodically single you out.

I was looking at their ceiling.

It's got an open space for the lights on their displays...

But the intakes are huge.

Like an entire ceiling panel.

It wouldn't be too hard to put a camera in there...but an air nozzle?

The thing would have to be almost straight down...so my bet it's under the one near the crossroad...furthest away from the check out counter.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 6:46 PM

I'm still feeling kind of funny.

My bet is...it would have to odorless.

Which gas would you choose?

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 6:48 PM

Fuckhead Gotterdamerung-Ragnarok-Road Warrior romantacists!

Did it ever occur to you to STOP the shit from hitting the fan? HUH?

Lemme hep ya to yerself...

You will NOT become the fierce and proud leader of a band of sinewy warrior women.

You will NOT build a utopian colony where children grow to be healthy and wise iheritors of a world to rebuild.

You will NOT mutate into a transtemporal polymorphic protoplasm.

You WILL fucking DIE. Radiation, germs, starvation, exposure, bullets, chemical weapons, take your pick, but if you don't die, you'll spend the rest of your days either working your ass off for 800 calories a day, or scavenging for food anywhere you can find it. Maybe you'll hide in the woods and survive, maybe you'll run a farm that has to be protected by squads of armed guards.

TRUST the JIK on this... it would be MUCH EASIER to STOP this crap BEFORE it goes too far. Really.

And no, it hasn't gone too far yet, you can tell because your neighbors aren't pulling a "Night of The Living Dead" move on your pantry right about now.

Posted by: JIK at August 20, 2005 6:50 PM

Hmm. That's a good one.

I doubt it's biological or radiological.

It would have to dissipate, like a drug.

It's probably some variant of an argon gas. Designed to attack your nervous or blood system.

Non-particulate...and very easy to dispose of.

It kinda smelled like a refrigerant to me...like R-134.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 6:51 PM

Which gas would you choose?


Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 06:48 PM

nitrous oxide

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 6:52 PM

anyway. They'll have to better than that.

I work with refrigerant. I know what to do when exposed to it.

Suffer through it, then hopefully breath normally again.

I'm going to keep an idea on them though.

I'm onto this shit now.

*Drinks beer.

Oh yea. Had a stalker position themselves into a shooting position for a shotgun blast.

Not impressed really.

Anybody with a pistol driving down the road can shoot me.

Following a pedestrian with your vehicle is intimidating somebody who couldn't possibly give a fuck.

*yawn

I like Blockbuster anyways. nice people. It's probably the store manager. Tomorrow the store will be burned. Oh well. I got my movies.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 6:57 PM

And no, it hasn't gone too far yet, you can tell because your neighbors aren't pulling a "Night of The Living Dead" move on your pantry right about now.

Posted by: JIK at August 20, 2005 06:50 PM

;)

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 6:58 PM

Crawford texas--one side of the street demanding Peace the other side demanding War---surreal. Peace

Posted by: Imhotep at August 20, 2005 6:59 PM

There is no way in hell that this Corporate/Military is going to let go of this cash cow! Never! Perpetual war for Halliburton!


By ROBERT BURNS

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Army is planning for the possibility of keeping the current number of soldiers in Iraq - well over 100,000 - for four more years, the Army's top general said Saturday.

In an Associated Press interview, Gen. Peter Schoomaker said the Army is prepared for the "worst case" in terms of the required level of troops in Iraq. He said the number could be adjusted lower if called for by slowing the force rotation or by shortening tours for soldiers.

Posted by: Ted Hitler at August 20, 2005 6:59 PM

I don't know Nobody.

When do you think the losers are going to come back...after watching the nightly news.

Fuckin' junkies.

Are you having as much trouble with your keyboard as me.

This is a neat trick. I've got entire blocks of words missing.

A habit of looking down while I type that they seem to exploit.

You should remember to occasionaly look up. They obviously got control of the machine.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 7:01 PM

Stalkies are fun. I love being stalked by someone who's not a hunter. Very funny. A good hotfoot will usually send the scurrying.

So, are we headed for the big CIRCUS OF HORRORS, or would someone like to give me a hand putting the kibosh on alla that crap?

Posted by: JIK at August 20, 2005 7:01 PM

Looks like Our Beloved President George W. Bush has answered Cindy's question..

Four More Years!

=================================================

Army Planning for 4 More Years in Iraq
Aug 20 5:49 PM US/Eastern

By ROBERT BURNS
AP Military Writer


WASHINGTON


The Army is planning for the possibility of keeping the current number of soldiers in Iraq _ well over 100,000 _ for four more years, the Army's top general said Saturday.

In an Associated Press interview, Gen. Peter Schoomaker said the Army is prepared for the "worst case" in terms of the required level of troops in Iraq. He said the number could be adjusted lower if called for by slowing the force rotation or by shortening tours for soldiers.

Schoomaker said commanders in Iraq and others who are in the chain of command will decide how many troops will be needed next year and beyond. His responsibility is to provide them, trained and equipped.

About 138,000 U.S. troops, including about 25,000 Marines, are now in Iraq.

"We are now into '07-'09 in our planning," Schoomaker said, having completed work on the set of combat and support units that will be rotated into Iraq over the coming year for 12-month tours of duty.

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 7:03 PM

oops, looks like here they are

I've got my beer and videos. I think I'm going to order some take-out.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 7:03 PM

I'll be back when I'm back.

I'm thinking about going out tonight.

l-ater

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 7:05 PM

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Army is planning for the possibility of keeping the current number of soldiers in Iraq - well over 100,000 - for four more years, the Army's top general said Saturday.

That's a joke! 4 years to these stone age sand niggers is the blink of an eye.

They'll still be offing dumb Americans by the numbers every day in four short years!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 20, 2005 7:05 PM

meh...reading between the lines isn't all that difficult

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 7:06 PM

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 20, 2005 7:08 PM

edit

I'm going to keep an eye on them though.

I'm onto their shit now.


- -

That might have been the biggest mistake Viacom ever made.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 7:08 PM

L@L logic...

Cow can't fly..

So Bush Sucks..

Posted by: War Dog at August 20, 2005 03:54 PM

lol, u're quite a character, sir

ya see dog, it's like this... it wouldn't matter a fuck in an orgy if the cow could fly, or the cow was a chair, or the cow was in fact a cow

BUSH SUCKS (UR NUTS)

he's a bad egg, dubya-dog

like the testicles in ur scrotum head

they're bad eggs

get rid of them

put in new cool liberal balls

be a man

u fucking wanker

*

on a lighter note, it's nice to see that -B being almost human

welcome to the lizard race

: )

Posted by: air-ono at August 20, 2005 7:09 PM

Posted by: Anonymous at August 20, 2005 07:05 PM

Has anyone ever told you what an offensive, ignorant prick you are?

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 7:09 PM

There was a guy who pretended to be a member of wolf clan but he was really a klu klux klan member trying to defame the Cherokee. His family found the bone from the pinkie of his left hand - in the sugar bowl on the kitchen table. The rest of him was never found.

Isn't that fun?

Posted by: JIK at August 20, 2005 7:09 PM

i wonder if el serpento and patrioterer are simpatico?

Posted by: Catharine at August 20, 2005 7:10 PM

the two most insane people on this blog...b and

war dog are here tonight! it's a battle of assholes!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 20, 2005 7:10 PM

the two most insane people on this blog...b and

war dog are here tonight! it's a battle of assholes!

Posted by: Anonymous at August 20, 2005 07:10 PM

Hey, don't forget Nobody! It's a threesome!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 20, 2005 7:13 PM

probably not. el serpento is betterer.

Posted by: Catharine at August 20, 2005 7:14 PM

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1743835,00.html

--------------------------------------------
...

The cannon erected on his farm near Aspen, Colorado, has been designed by Depp, who portrayed Thompson at his drug-consuming height in the 1998 film Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, based on Thompson’s cult book.

It is believed to be anchored inside a 54ft-high sculpture in the shape of a “gonzo” fist, Thompson’s two-thumbed personal insignia representing the briefly fashionable style of “gonzo” reporting that focused primarily on the writer’s subjective experiences.

The device is said to stand on a 100ft-high dagger-shaped platform to ensure that Thompson’s ashes, packed inside 34 shells, reach at least 500ft in the air before exploding in bright colours and then drifting across his beloved Owl Farm and the mountain slopes. Michael Cleverly, a friend and neighbour, said: “It’ll go straight up. It’ll just be taken by the wind.”

The writer’s widow, Anita Thompson, 32, has broken only one of her husband’s final commands. Still pinned to the refrigerator door in their kitchen, where he killed himself on February 20, is a note which reads: “Never call 911 [the emergency services]. Never. This means You. HST.”

...

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 7:14 PM

[hands jik a bright green crayon]

this is me

[hands jik a bright orange crayon]

this is you

any questions?

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 7:16 PM

the two most insane people on this blog...b and

war dog are here tonight! it's a battle of assholes!

Posted by: Anonymous at August 20, 2005 07:10 PM

================================================

Bad news..

Football tonight..

So I don't get to play until later..

Kc vs AZ..

Connie's team..

I know she is a big fan..

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 7:16 PM

or so he thinks....

Posted by: Catharine at August 20, 2005 7:18 PM

As if you don't have enough reasons to stay away from Walmart:

Brooks Albums to Only Be Sold at Wal-Mart
08.20.2005, 03:30 PM

Country superstar Garth Brooks has signed an exclusive multiyear contract with Wal-Mart Stores Inc.

No details of the agreement were released by Wal-Mart officials Friday, but Billboard and the Los Angeles Times reported the deal will make Wal-Mart, Sam's Club and their online outlets the only places where Brooks' music will be commercially available.

http://www.forbes.com/business/businesstech/feeds/ap/2005/08/20/ap2186797.html

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 20, 2005 7:18 PM

SONG FOR -B & WAR-CLOWN

"my friend dreams that he is awake

supernatural things begin to occur

he opens the door to leave his apartment

& is met by a crowd of dwarfs

he realises that he is still dreaming

& he desires to be awake

but cannot

*

the dream of being awake

continues"

- by charles curtis from his "ultra white violet light / sleep" cd, & typed by me

Posted by: air-ono at August 20, 2005 7:19 PM

Necons at work have me in snit. Coming here makes it worse. This War Dog person is as bad as the people who make my weekdays miserable. He's convinced me that ex-lax on the chocolate covered donuts will be my salvation. Maybe I'll save that for election day.

Posted by: Lurker Below at August 20, 2005 7:20 PM

Petroecuador strains to hike output after protest
20 Aug 2005 16:38:12 GMT

Source: Reuters

By Carlos Andrade

QUITO, Ecuador, Aug 20 (Reuters) - Ecuador's oil company Petroecuador struggled on Saturday to increase production and repair damage from protests in two Amazon provinces that have helped push up world energy prices, it said.

"There has been serious damage and we still can't get into all of the oil fields," a company spokesman said.

There is more:
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N20419710.htm

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 20, 2005 7:21 PM

Braylon Edwards outjumped a defender and snatched the football for a go-ahead touchdown in his professional debut.

The 7-yard score with 54 seconds left lifted the Cleveland Browns to a 21-13 victory against the Detroit Lions on Saturday.


SportsFlash Home | More Local + Ohio Sports News

Browns 21, Lions 13
8/20/2005, 6:13 p.m. ET
By LARRY LAGE
The Associated Press

DETROIT (AP) — Braylon Edwards outjumped a defender and snatched the football for a go-ahead touchdown in his professional debut.

The 7-yard score with 54 seconds left lifted the Cleveland Browns to a 21-13 victory against the Detroit Lions on Saturday.

"It felt just like Michigan State," said the former Michigan star, who caught three TD passes in a triple-overtime win last year over the Spartans.

Advertisement




On fourth-and-7, rookie Charlie Frye, late of the University of Akron, lofted a pass to Edwards in the corner of the end zone and the No. 3 pick in the draft rose over Michael Echols, caught the ball and got both feet in bounds.

"I couldn't have drawn it up any better," said Edwards, who was playing his hometown and 45 miles from his college.


Posted by: Dawg Pound at August 20, 2005 7:22 PM

[hands jik a bright green crayon]

this is me

[hands jik a bright orange crayon]

this is you

any questions?

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 07:16 PM

the green goblin?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 20, 2005 7:23 PM

Posted by: JIK at August 20, 2005 07:09 PM

sad, but fun

fucker got his just desserts

nice one

sad that these things have to happen

but fun

*

"pinkie, anyone"

Posted by: air-ono at August 20, 2005 7:26 PM

so, mostly i ignore it, but truthfully i get a little tired with those people who think the answer to being the best a person can be is held in whether or not you played team sports competitively as a child .... blah blah blah, sports, blah.


hey, i can enjoy a game of football now and again, but really ... look at those kids who played those kind of kids ... even the ones that learned to be good sports, and there's still an agressiveness that really isn't such a great think for society.

Posted by: Catharine at August 20, 2005 7:27 PM

the green goblin?

Posted by: Anonymous at August 20, 2005 07:23 PM

BZZZZZT...thanks for playing.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 7:27 PM

anyway

who needs a body when u got a pinkie

i, in fact, am only a pinkie connected (barely) to a cotton thread, suspended from a ceiling

dangling

"oh, hope i don't fall"

Posted by: air-ono at August 20, 2005 7:29 PM

So what's another broken law to Bush anyways?

Judge Tells U.S. to Revisit Wolves' Status


The Bush administration violated the law when it dropped efforts to bring back gray wolves in the Northeast, a federal judge in Vermont ruled yesterday.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 7:33 PM

And yet another slap in the face from the WTO for the Bushies...

WTO gives U.S. till April to change gambling law


A World Trade Organization arbiter on Friday gave the United States until April 3 to comply with a ruling that a ban on Internet gambling services offered by Antigua violates the body's rules.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 7:35 PM

JIK...why the pinky?

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 7:36 PM

Necons at work have me in snit. Coming here makes it worse. This War Dog person is as bad as the people who make my weekdays miserable. He's convinced me that ex-lax on the chocolate covered donuts will be my salvation. Maybe I'll save that for election day.

Posted by: Lurker Below at August 20, 2005 07:20 PM

----------------------------------------------

There is a new book available that offers eco-friendly solutions to pest problems.

Among the few tips I heard during an interview with the author is to drop a small portion of chocolate Ex-Lax into a mole's hole.

The theory is that moles will avoid locations that are associated with bad experiences.

If true, it might work with two-legged moles, too.

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 7:37 PM

The Art of Protest: Make It Personal


Kings used to do it with gaudy displays; presidents do it with speeches and news conferences; demonstrators do it with placards and hunger strikes; and now Cindy Sheehan has done it with a simple encampment that captured broad media attention last week.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 7:38 PM

hey, i can enjoy a game of football now and again, but really ... look at those kids who played those kind of kids ... even the ones that learned to be good sports, and there's still an agressiveness that really isn't such a great think for society.

Posted by: Catharine at August 20, 2005 07:27 PM

---------------------------------------------

I suggest that violently-aggressive sports behavior is a symptom of the cause and not the cause itself.

(though it don't help matters any)

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 7:41 PM

bbl~

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 7:41 PM

Meet a strong force with a weak one and a weak force with a strong one...

Pulling Punches


A Softer Way to Preempt Hostile Attacks

No aspect of national sovereignty or international law is more controversial than the question of the legitimacy of preemptive war for self-defense. When the Bush administration declared preemption an essential pillar of its 2002 National Security Strategy, it provoked legal and diplomatic firestorms that the invasion and occupation of Iraq have only intensified.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 7:41 PM

I bake pies and plant flowers and smile all the
time. I'm a "little old lady," here in America.

I know the drill so I play my role.

I am in favor of equal pay for equal work

legalization of cannabis for adults

any and all sex between consenting adults

I am in favor of Mrs. Sheehan and what she stands
for. I am against was and share Uncle Duke Thompsons on war.

In the evening, as I knit and smoke a little
doobage, I quietly pray that George W. Bush will do the world a favor, and take his own life.

Posted by: Aunt Edna at August 20, 2005 7:45 PM

yes, that is true, crank.

Posted by: Catharine at August 20, 2005 7:45 PM

Hypocrites and Liars


I got an email the other day and it said, "Cindy if you didn't use so much profanity ... there's people on the fence that get offended.
And you know what I said? "You know what? You know what, god damn it? How in the world is anybody still sitting on that fence?

If you fall on the side that is pro-George and pro-war, you get your ass over to Iraq, and take the place of somebody who wants to come home. And if you fall on the side that is against this war and against George Bush, stand up and speak out.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 7:47 PM

How much would it cost for you to forget justice?

Menezes family rejects $1m offer


The parents of the Brazilian man gunned down by police at London's Stockwell Tube station have reportedly turned down a one million US dollars compensation offer from Scotland Yard for his mistaken shooting.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 7:50 PM

Dead Soldier's Dad Finds No Enemy in Iraq


Fernando Suarez del Solar is a busy man. He is busy opening boxes, counting pills, counting bandages; he is busy checking everything in the boxes that come addressed to him from all over the United States.


"The last time I went to Iraq," he adds, "the Pentagon called up another California Senator, Sen Javier Vincera who was supporting me, to tell him to tell me that I would not be welcome in Iraq," and if he did go, they would not assure his safety.

Last year, as part of his voyage to see where his son died, Suarez visited ordinary Iraqis and children's hospitals. It was an experience he found profoundly moving, one that inspired him to return to help Iraqi children.

"The Iraqi people were so good to me, so beautiful."

In response, Suarez called a press conference to question the Pentagon's motives. "I said, 'whatever happens, Bush is responsible'," he recalls. The Pentagon backed down and declared him welcome.

At the hospitals he saw youngsters dying from the lack of medicine and learned that a number of others had been killed picking up unexploded cluster bombs or when trying to hand them in to U.S. soldiers.

The bombs look like tennis balls or beer cans, Suarez explains. And when the children try to give them to U.S. soldiers, they are shot on the spot -- military orders.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 7:55 PM

and there's still an agressiveness that really isn't such a great thin[g] for society.

Posted by: Catharine at August 20, 2005 07:27 PM

:(

We disagree. But hey, I still luv ya! :)

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 20, 2005 7:56 PM

'sok, L@L. I have just been around someone lately who won't shut up about how the answer to the world's problems are to simply enroll your son in team sports. morning, noon, and night.

Posted by: Catharine at August 20, 2005 7:59 PM

In the evening, as I knit and smoke a little doobage, I quietly pray that George W. Bush will do the world a favor, and take his own life.

Posted by: Aunt Edna at August 20, 2005 07:45 PM

If you'll consider replacing the knitting with a little Playstation, I'll be right over for some "incense" & evening prayers. *snark*

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 20, 2005 8:00 PM

Iraq veteran arrested in killing


20-year-old suspect in double shooting had requested treatment for stress disorder

When Matthew Sepi returned from Iraq a few months ago, he spoke to his family reluctantly of gunbattles and the "weird noises" children make when they die.

Put Your Life Where Your Mouth Is


Thousands dead for a lie. Is that ok with you?

If so, then put your life where your mouth is:

Dial 1-800-USA-ARMY

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 8:03 PM

Have a g'evenin', gang. Gonna go spoil somebody.

Heh, heh, heh!

*

Nobs: shoot me an emailie w/ your itinerary.

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 20, 2005 8:06 PM

the answer to the world's problems are to simply enroll your son in team sports. morning, noon, and night.

Posted by: Catharine at August 20, 2005 07:59 PM

When the emphasis is on competition it's not a good idea...When it's on cooperation it's a better idea...There are no absolutes and there are simply too many bad coaches...

Band is really good for teaching teamwork and there are better forms of sports than those that tear up young bodies before they're even grown...

One of my favorite neighbor kids has a bum knee and a bad back from playing football...he's only 15 and already screwed.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 8:07 PM

This story has it all, folks. A 44-year-old Ukrainian (which means he's just about reached the limit of his average life expectancy), from a Podmoskovie village, witnessed schoolyard torture and skeletons.

This 44-year-old asshole is said to have been a lifelong loser back in the Ukraine, which kind of made him redundant. He moved to the land of opportunity. Specifically, the Podmoskovie village of Slatykovka in the Balashikhinsky district. What kind of opportunity could possibly await him there, you ask? Why, a porn opportunity, fool!

First he found work as a construction worker. While casing the village's known riches of murder victims, he managed to nab two women and lock them in a school building where he "basically turned the women into his sex slaves."

Sometime during the winter, he gave one of the women a 500 ruble note to a load of pure vodka, but the bitch spent it all on herself. The punishment was swift and brutal... he beat her to death. The next day, he took care of his other slave. He beat her mercilessly, broke her ribs, cut off her cunt and threw her out, into the snow.

He tried hiding the other corpse but was spotted by his neighbor. The asshole turned stuffed the corpse underneath some planks beneath the first floor. Amazingly, the neighbor didn't report what he'd seen until later, when he was arrested by the pigs for having sex with a dwarf pony in the village square. That's when he spilled the beans on this dick.

Only a good long time later, after the bodies had decayed into skeletons, was the asshole caught.

Seems like a goddamn waste of a pair of perfectly good slaves to us.

Posted by: News From Home at August 20, 2005 8:09 PM

Nobs: shoot me an emailie w/ your itinerary.

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 20, 2005 08:06 PM

my email is still public...couple more weeks to go...only three confirmed stops...fishs,Sd (relatives) and dadas...I'm going to be blogging all the way over so my progress will be easy to track...no hurries...

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 8:11 PM

Here's to ya Aunt Edna!

I like the way you think!

Posted by: akaMAT at August 20, 2005 8:14 PM

Bush Itinerary

8.20.05

10 - 10:15 Radio Address

10:30 - 11:45 Bicycle Ride

12 - 1 Lunch

1:15 - 2:45 Violin Lesson

...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 20, 2005 8:18 PM

I am in favor of Mrs. Sheehan and what she stands for. I am against war and share Uncle Duke Thompson's views on war.

In the evening, as I knit and smoke a little doobage, I quietly pray that George W. Bush will do the world a favor, and take his own life.


Posted by: Aunt Edna at August 20, 2005 07:45 PM

I guess I've already had too much. Sorry for the
poor typing.

Posted by: Aunt Edna at August 20, 2005 8:22 PM

caligula or Nero...

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 8:23 PM

we can always hope he impales himself on his bow.

Posted by: akaMAT at August 20, 2005 8:24 PM

hrm...or maybe even Augustus...

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 8:25 PM

Hmmmm. things are not going well for Bush in Salt Lake City. Isn't that a big Republican town?


Rocky's call to protest Bush makes vets see red

Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson called for "the biggest demonstration this state has ever seen" to protest President Bush's appearance Monday before a national veterans convention.
   "This administration has been disastrous to the country," Anderson said Friday. "If people could organize and speak out in an effective manner from the reddest state in the country, that would garner a lot of attention."

Link

Posted by: RWiley at August 20, 2005 8:25 PM

a miserable troll and a sourpuss

an ill informed neo con a wuss

was somewhat afraid

and hid in the shade

then cried my name is anonymous

Posted by: RWiley at August 20, 2005 8:26 PM

Nero...

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 08:23 PM

========

with a global policy like the third reich

soldiers dying from insurgent strike

just like with rome

bush plays at home

nero fiddeled but george rides his bike

Posted by: RWiley at August 20, 2005 8:28 PM

band is a good alternative, nobs ...

working together to make music as opposed to working together to crush the competitor ....

... yellow-belly editor (stole that from dada)

Posted by: Catharine at August 20, 2005 8:31 PM

another good one, RWiley~

Hiya MAT, happy to see you back again today.

Funny, War Dog claims he didn't understand what I was saying today, but somehow understands this incoherant babble:


"The best place for the facts to be done is by somebody who's spending time investigating it." óGeorge W. Bush, on the probe into how CIA agent Valerie Plame's identity was leaked, Washington D.C., July 18, 2005

"I'm looking forward to a good night's sleep on the soil of a friend." óGeorge W. Bush, on visiting Denmark, Washington D.C., June 29, 2005

"I was going to say he's a piece of work, but that might not translate too well. Is that all right, if I call you a 'piece of work'?" óGeorge W. Bush to Jean-Claude Juncker, prime minister of Luxembourg, Washington, D.C., June 20, 2005

"The relations with, uhh ó Europe are important relations, and they've, uhh ó because, we do share values. And, they're universal values, they're not American values or, you know ó European values, they're universal values. And those values ó uhh ó being universal, ought to be applied everywhere." óGeorge W. Bush, at a press conference with European Union dignitaries, Washington, D.C., June 20, 2005
"You see, not only did the attacks help accelerate a recession, the attacks reminded us that we are at war." óGeorge W. Bush, on the Sept. 11 attacks, Washington, D.C., June 8, 2005

"And the second way to defeat the terrorists is to spread freedom. You see, the best way to defeat a society that is ó doesn't have hope, a society where people become so angry they're willing to become suiciders, is to spread freedom, is to spread democracy." óGeorge W. Bush, Washington, D.C., June 8, 2005

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 8:36 PM

Nero...

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 08:23 PM

Bingo.

Bush Itinerary

8.20.05

10 - 10:15 Radio Address

10:30 - 11:45 Bicycle Ride

12 - 1 Lunch

1:15 - 2:45 Violin Lesson

...

Bush Begins 5-Day Push to Defend Iraq War

So much for that vacation!

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 20, 2005 8:43 PM

It seemed like to me they based some of their decisions on the word of ó and the allegations ó by people who were held in detention, people who hate America, people that had been trained in some instances to disassemble ó that means not tell the truth." óGeorge W. Bush, on an Amnesty International report on prisoner abuse at Guantanamo Bay, Washington, D.C., May 31, 2005

no George, this is what it means:

dis·as·sem·ble (ds-smbl)
v. dis·as·sem·bled, dis·as·sem·bling, dis·as·sem·bles
v.tr.
To take apart: disassemble a toaster.
v.intr.
1. To come apart: The unit disassembles easily.
2. To break up in random fashion: The spectators began to disassemble.

"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." óGeorge W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005

prop·a·gan·da (prp-gnd)
n.
1. The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
2. Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause: wartime propaganda.
3. Propaganda Roman Catholic Church A division of the Roman Curia that has authority in the matter of preaching the gospel, of establishing the Church in non-Christian countries, and of administering Church missions in territories where there is no properly organized hierarchy.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 8:43 PM

Those of you looking for something different might be amused by an album known as The Grand Wazoo -- and others wanting a mighty slab of rocktacular jazzication will also be impressed.

Inside the liner notes, we're privy to a tale cooked up by FZ.

In a pseudo-Roman society, a ruler named Cletus-Awreetus-Awrightus oversees a society of musicians who also comprise an army. Non-musical "questions" hide in the catacombs. "Questions" are sacrificed in the arena unless they demonstrate some rhythmic ability. At other times, the army battles the "Mediocrates of Pedestrium," an opposing civilization. The Awreetus army consists of guitarists, percussionists, and horns. The "MOP" forces mostly consist of strings and assorted others, not to mention 5,000 untalented, androgynous vocalists who "do hot moves with the mike wire" while churning out accessible tunes...

http://www.science.uva.nl/~robbert/zappa/files/jpg/The_Grand_Wazoo.jpg

Eat that question.

http://www.arf.ru/Notes/Wazoo/eatq.html

Posted by: dada at August 20, 2005 8:43 PM

Hi Catsea,

I not here much longer. I have to start looking for a house to buy.

Prices have gotten a wee bit more than we had hoped. It is not going to come easy.

Posted by: akaMAT at August 20, 2005 8:43 PM

Hey Missy Anne,
I lived in Portland the first 8 years of my life. I'd move there in a heartbeat if we ever unstick ourselves from this place. I hope you love it there!

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 8:47 PM

The worldly wise schoolma'am, 'Miss Assmore' and her 'sister give Bill a right roll in the hay. Finally 'Tanya' wriggles 'till she's ready to pee over Bill on the stairs!

A couple of 'bikers, knob gobbling and pussy eating, they enjoy every fucking minute of their session. Pussy farts and strawberry flavoured dick-gel and all.

Duos, four on one, anal, interracial, shaved/hairy pussy, long lips, cross/role playing, female piss, light bondage, handcuffs, fetish costume, knob gobbling, pussy eating close-ups, flavoured dick gel, 69er, anal dildo, vibrator, banana, cum shots.

Whip it right out and stuff it into their faces, 'cause these dirty dick suckers love to gargle choad and gag on hot, creamy nut twenty-four seven. Sultry cock swallowers perform death-defying feats of knob gobbling magic, eager to prove their latent lust for full-fledged, shy and subservient, prick worshiping throat fucking. Tell 'em what you expect them to do, and watch 'em go to work on cleaning out your pipes.

Posted by: Phlegm Merchant at August 20, 2005 8:49 PM

You get some pretty vulgar emails, phlegm merchant.

Posted by: dada at August 20, 2005 8:58 PM

See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." óGeorge W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 08:43 PM


"Bush Begins 5-Day Push to Defend Iraq War"

He's not defending anything. (Yet...)

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Cosponsors of Resolution of Inquiry Now Up to 48

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/

There are now 48 co-sponsors of H Res 375. The four latest are Congressmen Barney Frank, Elijah Cummins, Rush Holt, and Gregory Meeks.

The Resolution will likely be voted on in the House International Relations Committee between Sept. 6 and Sept. 16. The more congress members who co-sponsor, the more likely some committee members are to both vote Yes and engage in a serious debate in the committee.

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 20, 2005 8:59 PM

ew...ok...how about posting that on a freeper site, instead, FM?

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 9:00 PM

You get some pretty vulgar emails, phlegm merchant.

Posted by: dada at August 20, 2005 08:58 PM

Bingo! Just cleaning out the old spam box.

OOPS!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 20, 2005 9:01 PM

working together to make music as opposed to working together to crush the competitor ....

... yellow-belly editor (stole that from dada)

Posted by: Catharine at August 20, 2005 08:31 PM

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I am a Table Tennis (read Ping Pong) fan who can hold his own.

The aggression is there...at least symbolically, but the worst that happens is that someone is hit with a ping pong ball.

And if the competitor relies on aggression alone, her lack of patience and unwillingness to use the "soft drop" will be her undoing.

There is no greater hand/eye sport though many are its equal. The equipment is cheap (even the really good stuff).

Now that Wil is out of the basement, there's plenty of room.

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 9:04 PM

ew...ok...how about posting that on a freeper site, instead, FM?

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 09:00 PM

Iff vun kennot enjoy sex eeffen ven it is oily
und greasy, vun should learn to relax.

Iff you love your partner...vun should be able
to make love in Crisco!

Posted by: Dr. Ruth at August 20, 2005 9:06 PM

Wil was in your basement?

.. interesting....

Posted by: Catharine at August 20, 2005 9:07 PM

A certain War Loving troll was asking about "outcomes" for the Cindy Sheehan story, I guess here's one for him.

>>"Bush Begins 5-Day Push to Defend Iraq War"

A middle aged lady wants to ask him a question, and and after hiding from her for more than 2 weeks, he now has to back-peddle for 5 days to disseminate (not disassemble) his propaganda.

Time he could have spent falling off his bike, choking on a pretzel, or massacring the English language.

I'd definitely say there's an outcome for you.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 9:09 PM

... or should i say, inderesdink..? veddy inderesdink..

Posted by: Catharine at August 20, 2005 9:10 PM

Soldier 'instructed' to abuse Abu Ghraib prisoners


One of the US soldiers convicted of mistreating prisoners at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison says his superiors made it clear those incarcerated were to be abused. Sergeant Javal Davis was sentenced to six months in jail after admitting to having deliberately stepped on the hands and feet of handcuffed prisoners.

In an interview aired on Channel 7, Sgt Davis said he was instructed to make life as unpleasant as possible for those he was guarding. "I was left with an open door to pretty much almost do whatever I want, you know like 'hey, make sure this guy has a bad night you know' or 'make sure this guy gets the treatment'," he said. Sgt Davis says he found some of the things he was asked to do distressing.

"For example, the nakedness, the hooding, the handcuffing of the detainees in compromising positions, like handcuffed behind their back in an uncomfortable way or handcuffed to the bar door door or something," he said.He says he asked that orders he was given to abuse prisoners be put in writing.But despite repeated requests, his superiors never agreed to do so.

Sgt Davis was a military policeman who worked as a guard at Abu Ghraib prison for three months in late 2003. The pictures of the mistreatment by the guards, which included sexual humiliation, sparked international outrage.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 9:11 PM

>>Iff you love your partner...vun should be able to make love in Crisco!

Posted by: Dr. Ruth at August 20, 2005 09:06 PM

Dr. Ruth...Girlfriend...I am more than happy to roll in Crisco with the right human being(s), but I would encourage others to go out and do it themselves, rather than write it up and post the details here.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 9:13 PM

... see .. win at any cost.. has become the American way ... and 'win' is subjective ... the sicker the better?

Posted by: Catharine at August 20, 2005 9:16 PM

Hi blog!

Guess what Ive got?

Posted by: meg at August 20, 2005 9:16 PM

>>OOPS!


r i g h t . . .

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 9:17 PM

I'm afraid to guess, Meg. Please just tell me.


Oh! I know!

A new computer!!!!!!!

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 9:20 PM

F. Scott Fitzgerald reads John Keats' Ode to a Nightingale

--

Hello NC

Posted by: ♥ at August 20, 2005 05:09 PM

Ode to a Nightingale

http://www.bartleby.com/101/624.html

"Darkling I listen; and, for many a time
I have been half in love with easeful Death,
Call'd him soft names in many a musèd rhyme"

You know - Sometimes, you just have to say,

oh, fuck it...

(And go to the beach...) :)

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 20, 2005 9:22 PM

...or the thiefs locked in your basement!

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 9:22 PM

a computer?!

Posted by: Catharine at August 20, 2005 9:24 PM

Wil was in your basement?

.. interesting....

Posted by: Catharine at August 20, 2005 09:07 PM

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When I was in the V.I., my house had a very large concrete patio area outside of the front door. It is elevated from the ground and has a very low rock wall capped with concrete that keeps people from tumbling over the side.

The wall also serves as a seat for as many as twenty-five people. The Caribbean sea was across the street. There was nearly no traffic because I lived near the end of the island.

We had two ping-pong tables on wheels. They were the fold-up type so that they could be stored against a wall.

Every Saturday night was ping-pong night. No one arrived before 9 p.m. Most of the people arrived after ten. The already-inebriated-but-not-ready-to-go-home-yet arrived from midnight to one.

Some people arrived to get high and socialize and spectate. Others arrived to drink and socialize and spectate. Still others arrived stone-cold sober and ready to play a serious game of table tennis.

Occasionally, a Puerto Rican in his fifties (who worked for the Navy under a security clearance) arrived. He was on a table-tennis team out of Rosy Roads. Our stoned, drunken Saturday night game was on his itinerary when he was on-island.

Sometimes we played until dawn.

It was heaven.

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 9:25 PM

hmmm, she must still have dial-up, though.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 9:25 PM

Howl - Allen Ginsberg

http://www.rooknet.com/beatpage/writers/ginsberg.html

I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix,
angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly connection to the starry dynamo in the machinery of night,
who poverty and tatters and hollow-eyed and high sat up smoking in the supernatural darkness of cold-water flats
floating across the tops of cities contemplating jazz,
who bared their brains to Heaven under the El and saw Mohammedan angels staggering on tene- ment roofs
illuminated,
who passed through universities with radiant cool eyes hallucinating Arkansas and Blake-light tragedy among the
scholars of war,
who were expelled from the academies for crazy & publishing obscene odes on the windows of the skull,
who cowered in unshaven rooms in underwear, burn- ing their money in wastebaskets and listening to the Terror
through the wall,
who got busted in their pubic beards returning through Laredo with a belt of marijuana for New York,
who ate fire in paint hotels or drank turpentine in Paradise Alley, death, or purgatoried their torsos night after night
with dreams, with drugs, with waking nightmares, al- cohol and cock and endless balls,
incomparable blind; streets of shuddering cloud and lightning in the mind leaping toward poles of Canada &
Paterson, illuminating all the mo- tionless world of Time between,
Peyote solidities of halls, backyard green tree cemetery dawns, wine drunkenness over the rooftops, storefront
boroughs of teahead joyride neon blinking traffic light, sun and moon and tree vibrations in the roaring winter dusks
of Brook- lyn, ashcan rantings and kind king light of mind,
who chained themselves to subways for the endless ride from Battery to holy Bronx on benzedrine until the noise of
wheels and children brought them down shuddering mouth-wracked and battered bleak of brain all drained of
brilliance

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 20, 2005 9:27 PM

ok... that does sound like heaven ... but why, oh why was Wil in your basement?

Posted by: Catharine at August 20, 2005 9:27 PM

A new computer!!!!!!!


Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 09:20 PM

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I wish!

No, not yet.

No, actually I have two abandoned kittens. One is right here, and was just given a bath. So she's kind of pissed at me. But she'll be happy when she gets that bottle again.

Posted by: Meg at August 20, 2005 9:29 PM

>>Sometimes we played until dawn.
It was heaven.
Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 09:25 PM

please tell me you had red, orange and blue christmas lights strung up all around, back and forth, and at crazy angles, looking like pure beauty at the "magic hour." Then my vision will be complete.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 9:29 PM

Evening.

Just got done watching Alone in the Dark.

Pretty good action in that one.

The story was a little convuluted...sorta like X-files meets those creatures from Resident Evil.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 9:29 PM

oh Meg, I'm jealous, my husband doesn't want me to get a kitty...

;-(

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 9:30 PM

ooops...have to go,

see y'all later~

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 9:33 PM

Well now I'm going to watch Cursed.

It's got werewolves.

Alone in the Dark needed edited a little better, but the stunts were good. CGI not too bad. Good actors.

I think the director dropped the ball on that one. Seemed like the story got muddled down in it's own story boards. Lots of details and pushed dialogue.

This one has Wes Craven involved, so it should be o.k.

Plus it's a Weinstein produced Dimension film.

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 9:34 PM

1 minute repreive!

-B, I like your taste in movies...ever watch Hammer Horror Films?

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 9:36 PM

What sphinx of cement and aluminum bashed open their skulls and ate up their brains and imagi- nation?
Moloch! Solitude! Filth! Ugliness! Ashcans and unob tainable dollars! Children screaming under the stairways! Boys
sobbing in armies! Old men weeping in the parks!
Moloch! Moloch! Nightmare of Moloch! Moloch the loveless! Mental Moloch! Moloch the heavy judger of men!
Moloch the incomprehensible prison! Moloch the crossbone soulless jailhouse and Congress of sorrows! Moloch whose
buildings are judgment! Moloch the vast stone of war! Moloch the stun- ned governments!
Moloch whose mind is pure machinery! Moloch whose blood is running money! Moloch whose fingers are ten armies!
Moloch whose breast is a canni- bal dynamo! Moloch whose ear is a smoking tomb!
Moloch whose eyes are a thousand blind windows! Moloch whose skyscrapers stand in the long streets like endless
Jehovahs! Moloch whose fac- tories dream and croak in the fog! Moloch whose smokestacks and antennae crown the
cities!
Moloch whose love is endless oil and stone! Moloch whose soul is electricity and banks! Moloch whose poverty is the
specter of genius! Moloch whose fate is a cloud of sexless hydrogen! Moloch whose name is the Mind!
Moloch in whom I sit lonely! Moloch in whom I dream Angels! Crazy in Moloch! Cocksucker in Moloch! Lacklove and
manless in Moloch!
Moloch who entered my soul early! Moloch in whom I am a consciousness without a body! Moloch who frightened me
out of my natural ecstasy! Moloch whom I abandon! Wake up in Moloch! Light streaming out of the sky!
Moloch! Moloch! Robot apartments! invisible suburbs! skeleton treasuries! blind capitals! demonic industries! spectral
nations! invincible mad houses! granite cocks! monstrous bombs!
They broke their backs lifting Moloch to Heaven! Pave- ments, trees, radios, tons! lifting the city to Heaven which
exists and is everywhere about us!
Visions! omens! hallucinations! miracles! ecstasies! gone down the American river!
Dreams! adorations! illuminations! religions! the whole boatload of sensitive bullshit!
Breakthroughs! over the river! flips

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 20, 2005 9:36 PM

moloch = Bush.

No, really.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 9:37 PM

Reality Check Joke

An engineer dies and reports to the pearly gates.

St. Peter checks his dossier and says, "Ah, you're an engineer -- you're in the wrong place." So, the engineer reports to the gates of hell and is let in. Pretty soon, the engineer gets dissatisfied with the level of comfort in hell, and starts designing and building improvements. After awhile, they've got air conditioning and flush toilets and escalators, and the engineer is a pretty popular guy.

One day, God calls Satan up on the telephone and says with a sneer, "So, how's it going down there in hell?"

Satan replies, "Hey, things are going great. We've got air conditioning and flush toilets and escalators, and there's no telling what this engineer is going to come up with next."

God replies, "What??? You've got an engineer? That's a mistake -- he should never have gotten down there; send him up here."

Satan says, "No way. I like having an engineer on the staff, and I'm keeping him."

God says, "Send him back up here or I'll sue."

Satan laughs uproariously and answers, "Yeah, right. And just where are YOU going to get a lawyer?"

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 9:41 PM

moloch = Bush

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 09:37 PM

I'm afraid it's way past that point - long ago...

Howl - Allen Ginsberg

http://www.rooknet.com/beatpage/writers/ginsberg.html

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 20, 2005 9:45 PM

ha. a lawyer joke.

Posted by: Catharine at August 20, 2005 9:45 PM

moloch = Bush.

No, really.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 09:37 PM

Naw...Bush is Magog

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 9:46 PM

In 1966, a young Marine took a reel-to-reel tape recorder with him into the Vietnam War. For two months, until he was killed in action, Michael Baronowski made tapes of his friends, of life in foxholes, of combat. And he sent those audio letters home to his family in Norristown, Pennsylvania. 34 years later, through our Quest for Sound, his comrade Tim Duffie brought those tapes to Lost & Found Sound.

Michael Baronowski, 1966, age 19

The Vietnam Tapes of
Lance Corporal Michael A. Baronowski

Listen

Excerpt:

Those were heat rounds, high explosives. It's dark now. We're waiting for the illumination to go off. There goes the illumination. [laughs] That's the heaviest thing, a heavy feeling, sitting here in the dark with all that stuff going on. Sounds of the Enchanted Forest.

[boom, boom, etc.]

[machine gunfire]

There they go. Jesus! Whoa, that was too close [boom] Air strike [boom, boom, boom] They wiped napalm all over that place. Look at that.

[big boom]

[singing]

You're in the Pepsi generation.

Posted by: at August 20, 2005 9:48 PM

or perhap Mabus...

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 9:49 PM

Cathy, I can't keep the kittens. You can have one! Tell the husband to just deal with it.

Posted by: Meg at August 20, 2005 9:54 PM

please tell me you had red, orange and blue christmas lights strung up all around, back and forth, and at crazy angles, looking like pure beauty at the "magic hour." Then my vision will be complete.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at August 20, 2005 09:29 PM

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You are so close to the truth that it pains me.

I was a General Contractor at the time. My favorite electrician did a lot of work for the Navy and its contractors (technicians working for the Allied Forces Weapons Training Facility...which is an elaborate name for a calibrating facility that monitored war games involving U.S. and ally subs, frigates, other war ships, P-3's, S-3's, sonobouys and Mark V torpedos).

The electrician "acquired" some temporary lighting after the Navy had no more use for it. It was exactly like the strings of lights found over a used car lot or a cruise ship...a bulb every foot or so.

The lights served to illuminate the patio and the front of the house like a surgical theatre.

Sometimes, when a cruise ship set sail from St. Croix to San Juan (which was directly out to sea from my house), it stalled for time, barely making headway. It had no intention to arrive in San Juan before the following dawn, so it would lay, lit like a skyscraper, directly out of our front door.

We often mused, as we admired it, that there might be passengers at-the-rail wondering what the hell the grandly-lit speck was back on the island.

(By the way: War ships change their appearance at night for obvious reasons. Their best disguise is to light-up like a cruise ship using the same strings of lights that cruise ships use...and that we ping-pongers used as well.)

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 9:54 PM

Visit this Marine Corps vet's anti-war website.

http://www.ShockedandAwful.com

Hope you have DSL, 'cause dial-up will take FOREVER.

Peace.

Posted by: OneAngryDemocrat at August 20, 2005 9:56 PM

nuthin liker bein at werk on em satuday nite tryin play cach up.

thanx for thes fg

//Fishgrease Free Musics Friday -- Bob Wills His Texas Playboys - New San Antonio Rose

You'll hear a lot of Django Reinhardt in these guys. Next week, I'll do an ALL DJANGO FRIDAY!

Muck... you might wanna grab this one.

Posted by: Fishgrease at August 20, 2005 01:47 AM
//

lissenin an programin sum software rite now.

nise theeng bowt texas redneks. they al dreenker heer durin em day. theenk ima gonna hit sum of em beerz in teh fridge.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 20, 2005 10:01 PM

The DJ on K-Rock FM in New York signed off with "Peaches" a few minutes ago...

Posted by: What the... at August 20, 2005 10:01 PM

http://www.ShockedandAwful.com


Peace.

Posted by: OneAngryDemocrat at August 20, 2005 09:56 PM


Excellent site! thanks. going to have to promote this one.

Posted by: Catharine at August 20, 2005 10:02 PM

One of the litter nearly died today. I think he was dehydrated. And its so hot (its been in the 100s lately)

I had to take him to the animal emergency clinic and surrender him. They said they'd see what they could do. My mom told me that if he was just dehydrated it was reasonably easy to treat. He kitty had that once and he went from being almost dead, limp, scary, to running around like a kitten (the car was 25 at the time). All they did was give him a shot.

Posted by: Meg at August 20, 2005 10:06 PM

i like the image of the woman in her make-up holding the "next time vacation in Iraq" sign ... she doesn't look like your average protestor, which means people who don't usually protest are more likely to stop and look because they can identify with her.

Posted by: Catharine at August 20, 2005 10:08 PM

A Russian filmmaker, Alexander Sokurov, made a film about Hitler named Moloch, in reference to what Cathy said earlier....

Just thought I'd share....

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 20, 2005 10:11 PM

Posted by: -B at August 20, 2005 09:41 PM

THE JOKE WAS A COOKING, UNTIL it got to the penultimate line

//God says, "Send him back up here or I'll sue."//

gee! wot could the punch line possibly be

*

cometh the revolution, when i am made'th the joke king censor - jokes like that will be outlawed & the offender pilloried

nah! i'm kidding

had ya fooled though, ya dirty chook

Posted by: air-ono at August 20, 2005 10:13 PM

wedo heer?

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 10:14 PM

Actually I think they need to not use a botttle anymore. They are almost old enough to lap.

Posted by: Meg at August 20, 2005 10:16 PM

sory but texas kiks ass. :)

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 10:16 PM

wedo heer?

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 10:14 PM

==================================================

Here for a bit muck..

It is half time..

KC winning..

==================================================

With that mean Cindy gone..

Bush can go out and play...

==================================================

Bush tests his mettle in bike ride with Armstrong


Aug 20, 4:27 PM (ET)


By Caren Bohan

CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - President George W. Bush, an avid mountain biker, got a chance to test his mettle against cycling superstar Lance Armstrong on Saturday.

The seven-time Tour de France champion joined the president for a two-hour, 17-mile trek through the canyons and river-crossings of Bush's 1,600-acre Texas ranch.

Armstrong, a fellow Texan and Bush friend who nonetheless disagrees with the president on the Iraq war, called it a "dream scenario" to cycle with the president.

While many Americans wonder what attracts Bush to the Prairie Chapel ranch, where is he spending the month of August, Armstrong said he thought the biking opportunities were a big draw.

"He rides his mountain bike fanatically," Armstrong said in a recent interview with ABC's This Week. "It might be the mountain bike trails he has there."

Armstrong, 33, called Bush "one competitive dude," but said in the ABC interview he had no doubt he could outpace Bush, even though trails can be challenging for road cyclists unaccustomed to rough, rocky terrain.

"He's a good rider," Bush was said to have remarked about Armstrong after the ride, which featured only one 10-minute break to admire a waterfall on the property.


Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 10:17 PM

wedo heer?

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 10:14 PM

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The Chiefs are leading the Cardinals ten to nothing.

Baghdog is happy and busy.

It's too bad that I don't have his home telephone number.

This would be a great time to call him to let him know that his print shop is on fire.

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 10:17 PM

KILL NOBODY!

i mean it

leave nobody alone

don't kill anybody

i mean...

oh, ffs nobody, change ur nic

u co-opted nobody

like the gays co-opting the word gay, that was a very gay thing to do, nobody

[i'm getting woozey]

[i'm getting faint]

[i'm falling]

Posted by: air-ono at August 20, 2005 10:18 PM

dedikated to wedo:


To everything - turn, turn, turn

There is a season - turn, turn, turn

And a time for every purpose under heaven

A time to be born, a time to die

A time to plant, a time to reap

A time to kill, a time to heal

A time to laugh, a time to weep

To everything - turn, turn, turn

There is a season - turn, turn, turn

And a time for every purpose under heaven

A time to build up, a time to break down

A time to dance, a time to mourn

A time to cast away stones

A time to gather stones together

To everything - turn, turn, turn

There is a season - turn, turn, turn

And a time for every purpose under heaven

A time of war, a time of peace

A time of love, a time of hate

A time you may embrace

A time to refrain from embracing

To everything - turn, turn, turn

There is a season - turn, turn, turn

And a time for every purpose under heaven

A time to gain, a time to lose

A time to rend, a time to sew

A time to love, a time to hate

A time of peace, I swear it's not too late!

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 10:20 PM

Why did you post that, War Dog? Are we supposed to be impressed by that? With Bush's "tough guy" shit? If he was so tough, he would have talked to Cindy by now....

Just nothing but hollow, macho bullshit....

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 20, 2005 10:20 PM

Later -

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 20, 2005 10:21 PM

This would be a great time to call him to let him know that his print shop is on fire.

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 10:17 PM

=============================================

I saw that...

I will never understand why you left that island to come back the Branson Suburbs..

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 10:21 PM

wedo heer?

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 10:14 PM

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 10:17 PM

LOL,

speaketh the devils name

!

Posted by: War Dog at August 20, 2005 10:17 PM

catch me, i'm falling

hang on to the dog's balls

Posted by: air-ono at August 20, 2005 10:22 PM

//"He's a good rider," Bush was said to have remarked about Armstrong after the ride//

glad he notised teh obvius

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 10:22 PM

(the car was 25 at the time)

---------

Uh... 15 that is

Posted by: meg at August 20, 2005 10:22 PM

Why did you post that, War Dog? Are we supposed to be impressed by that? With Bush's "tough guy" shit? If he was so tough, he would have talked to Cindy by now....

Just nothing but hollow, macho bullshit....


Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 20, 2005 10:20 PM

=================================================

He is not not going to talk to Cindy while she is in Loony Mode..

He spoke with when it meant something..

When it was real..

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 10:23 PM

That would make a nice tune Muckie..

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 10:24 PM

I have a 70 Mile ride tomorrow..

On the Tandem in town..

It will be fun.

About a 1000 people..

Biking is fun..

Bush is a good biker..

But don't ride too close to him..

He might reach out and grap you if he falls..

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 10:26 PM

"No one" is better english ono

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 10:29 PM

It's too bad that I don't have his home telephone number.

This would be a great time to call him to let him know that his print shop is on fire.

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 10:17 PM

==================================================

I will give you my number..

Jim has it..

I was going to call Jim today..

Chubby is there..!

I wanted to talk to chubby..

But I got tied up working on the bike for tomorrow..

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 10:29 PM

Hypocrites and Liars


I got an email the other day and it said, "Cindy if you didn't use so much profanity ... there's people on the fence that get offended.
And you know what I said? "You know what? You know what, god damn it? How in the world is anybody still sitting on that fence?

If you fall on the side that is pro-George and pro-war, you get your ass over to Iraq, and take the place of somebody who wants to come home. And if you fall on the side that is against this war and against George Bush, stand up and speak out.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 10:30 PM

She is not in "loony" mode. When she initially spoke to Bush, he was insensitive, indifferent, and callous to her. Cindy said Bush was acting like he was at a party, not realizing that there were grieving families around. And Bush kept referring to her as "Mom" during the meeting (probably his BS nicknaming shit again)....

A heartless, nihilistic prick who doesn't feel a damn thing for anyone or anything (and that goes for you too, War Dog. Bush hates friends and foes alike)....

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 20, 2005 10:30 PM

But don't ride too close to him..

He might reach out and grap you if he falls..

Posted by: War Dog at August 20, 2005 10:26 PM

----------------------------------------------

Sorta like a drowning man:

As he gasps for air he'll take you down with him.

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 10:31 PM

all that turn-turn-turning, muck

fits in nicely with my "giddy" post about nobody being gay

& also fits in with my theory about the globe - it spins round & round

giving the impression that it is turning

when in fact, it is

*

sneaky old globe

turning & spinning wherever & whenever it jolly well feels like it

"yo, globe! u ever heard of physics, yo"

"u talkin' to me - because i can't hear yooooo - la-la-la"

Posted by: air-ono at August 20, 2005 10:31 PM

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 10:32 PM

CINDY SHEEHAN couldn't have picked a more apt date to begin the vigil that ambushed a president: Aug. 6 was the fourth anniversary of that fateful 2001 Crawford vacation day when George W. Bush responded to an intelligence briefing titled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States" by going fishing. On this Aug. 6 the president was no less determined to shrug off bad news. Though 14 marine reservists had been killed days earlier by a roadside bomb in Haditha, his national radio address that morning made no mention of Iraq. Once again Mr. Bush was in his bubble, ensuring that he wouldn't see Ms. Sheehan coming. So it goes with a president who hasn't foreseen any of the setbacks in the war he fabricated against an enemy who did not attack inside the United States in 2001.

SNIP

THIS summer in Crawford, the White House went to this playbook once too often. When Mr. Bush's motorcade left a grieving mother in the dust to speed on to a fund-raiser, that was one fat-cat party too far. The strategy of fighting a war without shared national sacrifice has at last backfired, just as the strategy of Swift Boating the war's critics has reached its Waterloo before Patrick Fitzgerald's grand jury in Washington. The 24/7 cable and Web attack dogs can keep on sliming Cindy Sheehan. The president can keep trying to ration the photos of flag-draped caskets. But this White House no longer has any more control over the insurgency at home than it does over the one in Iraq.

Link

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 20, 2005 10:32 PM

A heartless, nihilistic prick who doesn't feel a damn thing for anyone or anything (and that goes for you too, War Dog. Bush hates friends and foes alike)....


Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 20, 2005 10:30 PM

=================================================

That is exactly what I am talkin about..

Loony Mode..!

He is not gonna talk to a Loony..

It is up to her to get her shit together..

You can not run around sayin crazy crap like that and then say..

"Oh, now I will go talk to the President"

It just don't work that way..!

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 10:34 PM

Now this is a costly mistake...

Diebold hires top Dem for PR blitz


Former party chairman make the case for voting to California

With a phone call and a retainer, Diebold CEO Walden O'Dell has launched former Democratic National Committee chairman Joe Andrew on a 50-state ambassadorship for electronic voting.
O'Dell said he ``wanted to reframe some of the issues,'' Andrew said.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 10:34 PM

But I got tied up working on the bike for tomorrow..

Posted by: War Dog at August 20, 2005 10:29 PM

------------------------------------------------

Upgrading the points and plugs?

(no...wait...that's a Dubya tune-up)

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 10:35 PM

//"No one" is better english ono//

correct-o-mondo, my good man

it should read: "No one" is better [@]english [than rich chocolate] ono

now go to the back of the bus, to be beaten by the school toughs - muck4doo, crank4war, war4poodle, & leopard4spots

Posted by: air-ono at August 20, 2005 10:36 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

War Backers Start Camp Near Bush Ranch


A patriotic camp with a banner reading "God Bless Our President!" sprang up downtown Saturday, countering the anti-war demonstration started by a fallen soldier's mother near President Bush's ranch.

The camp is named "Fort Qualls" in memory of Marine Lance Cpl. Louis Wayne Qualls, 20, killed in Fallujah, Iraq, last fall. His father, Gary Qualls of Temple, said his 16-year-old son also wants to enlist, and he supports that decision.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 10:37 PM

Upgrading the points and plugs?

(no...wait...that's a Dubya tune-up)


Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 10:35 PM

=================================================

Brake pads ..

And tuning the shifters..

=================================================

So why did you come back..

A. Money

B. Visa

C. Woman

Those are the common motives..

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 10:37 PM

"If I have to sacrifice my whole family for the sake of our country and world, other countries that want freedom, I'll do that," said Qualls, a friend of the local business owner who started the pro-Bush camp, Bill Johnson.

Like I said...party over country...party over family...party uber alles.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 10:38 PM

It just don't work that way..!

Posted by: War Dog at August 20, 2005 10:34 PM

------------------------------------------------

In 1968, in Chicago, at the Democratic Convention, it worked that way.

An unnoticed protest goes unnoticed.

A noteworthy protest is noteworthy.

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 10:39 PM

//He is not gonna talk to a Loony..//

she's not the looney

u're the looney

[kook-koo]

*

cindy sheehan is the george galloway of america

giving yo chicken-poodle ass the big smack down

biotch!

Posted by: air-ono at August 20, 2005 10:40 PM

what good little germans y'all would've made...

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 10:42 PM

So why did you come back..

A. Money

B. Visa

C. Woman

Those are the common motives..

Posted by: War Dog at August 20, 2005 10:37 PM

----------------------------------------------

My dad is dead. He was not dead when I returned to the states but he was in rapid decline.

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 10:44 PM

Cindy is in L.A.

As she should be..

Bush is havin fun on his bike..

As he should be..

I am goin back to the game..

It is running on the recorder..

Cranky...

Why......

It sound as though that was best of times..

Why come back?

Wado.............................................

Posted by: War Dog [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 10:44 PM

Militias Wresting Control Across Iraq's North and South


Since the formation of a government this spring, Basra, Iraq's second-largest city, has witnessed dozens of assassinations, claiming members of the former ruling Baath Party, Sunni political leaders and officials of competing Shiite parties. Many have been carried out by uniformed men in police vehicles, according to political leaders and families of the victims, with some of the bullet-riddled bodies dumped at night in a trash-strewn parcel known as The Lot. The province's governor said in an interview that Shiite militias have penetrated the police force; an Iraqi official estimated that as many as 90 percent of officers were loyal to religious parties.

Across northern Iraq, Kurdish parties have employed a previously undisclosed network of at least five detention facilities to incarcerate hundreds of Sunni Arabs, Turkmens and other minorities abducted and secretly transferred from Mosul, Iraq's third-largest city, and from territories stretching to the Iranian border, according to political leaders and detainees' families. Nominally under the authority of the U.S.-backed Iraqi army, the militias have beaten up and threatened government officials and political leaders deemed to be working against Kurdish interests; one bloodied official was paraded through a town in a pickup truck, witnesses said.

"I don't see any difference between Saddam and the way the Kurds are running things here," said Nahrain Toma, who heads a human rights organization, Betnahrain, with offices in northern Iraq and has faced several death threats.

Toma said the tactics were eroding what remained of U.S. credibility as the militias operate under what many Iraqis view as the blessing of American and British forces. "Nobody wants anything to do with the Americans anymore," she said. "Why? Because they gave the power to the Kurds and to the Shiites. No one else has any rights."

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 10:45 PM

Please, War Dog, if someone wanted to see Clinton, the right wing media and you would be screaming at the top of your lungs about it......

He could have easily met with her, and gotten it over with. It would have been very simple. But since he's so arrogant and thinks he's better than everyone (including you, War Dog. Bush think you're scum, just like he does me), he won't do it. He's "busy", which when translated means "fuck this commie bitch! I'm George Bush. That cunt should be worshipping me! Why isn't she worshipping me?"....


Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 20, 2005 10:45 PM

airo

we have ways of dealing with your gayness. Admit that you are half gay.

Posted by: Exhausted Blogger at August 20, 2005 10:46 PM

sweet! got sum streemin myoosik on now. good ole oldies an "herd it thru me grapevine".

guesn ima shuld problee do sum werk now.

be bak soon.

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 10:48 PM

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 20, 2005 10:45 PM

He's both deaf and blind...

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 10:49 PM

Bush is willfully ignorant.....doesn't give a fuck about anything....

But the MSM still loves him, for the most part....

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 20, 2005 10:53 PM

Admit that you are half gay.

Posted by: Exhausted Blogger at August 20, 2005 10:46 PM

----------------------------------------------

half gay:

nonplussed

bemused

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 10:53 PM

//Admit that you are half gay.//

no fucking way

i'm too cute to be gay

see my pretty smile below

: )

btw, where are all the blog chicks

Posted by: air-ono at August 20, 2005 10:54 PM

Helping Al Franken find a swindler

Michelle Malkin


August 17, 2005 Recommend to a friend


The Bronx-based Gloria Wise Boys & Girls Club has been duped out of a reported $875,000 meant for poor children and elderly Alzheimer's patients. Evan Montvel-Cohen, the former chairman of the much-hyped liberal radio network Air America, is at the center of the erupting scandal. Air America radio host Al Franken, punctuating his discussion with nervous laughter, called Cohen a "crook" on his show last week and confessed to his left-wing audience that "I think he was robbing Peter to pay Paul."

Curiously, Air America has shown little interest in urging law enforcement officials to track down Cohen and hold him accountable for "robbing" -- Al's word, not mine -- an inner-city charity in the network's name. Why is that? Franken says the subject of massive theft from one of the largest nonprofit charities for underprivileged residents in New York City is "boring."

Yes. "Boring."

Even O.J. Simpson still fakes occasional interest in finding his wife's killer between his rounds of golf. Franken and Air America management, by contrast, seem unusually eager to sweep the entire financial scandal under the rug. Meanwhile, the Boys & Girls Club hasn't seen a dime of the bilked money repaid. Hearts aren't the only things that seem to be bleeding at Air America.

That is why I am volunteering to help Al Franken find the swindler and warn others about him. Free of charge. And I'm calling on my always curious, never bored, readers to fill the vacuum of outrage and join me in assisting The Search For Air America's Swindler.

Here are a few clues and some helpful information I've gathered for Franken to share with his fellow Air America sleuths:

Cohen reportedly told the Gloria Wise Boys & Girls Club executive committee last year that he needed money to cover medical expenses for himself and his father -- "a businessman in Asia," according to the New York Sun, who was said to be "gravely ill." There's just one small problem with the sob story about Cohen's dad, though. He has been dead since 1991.

According to Fran Magbual, a family friend

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 20, 2005 10:54 PM

Hi WAR DOG! Howz the red kool aid today?

Posted by: Meg at August 20, 2005 10:55 PM

wardog believes everything is fine because everything is fine with him. Outside of him, nothing is important.

and his outcomes can change according to the direction of the wind and the setting of the vectors of his prognosticator sticks.

Posted by: Exhausted Blogger at August 20, 2005 10:56 PM

btw, where are all the blog chicks

Posted by: air-ono at August 20, 2005 10:54 PM

sorry ono but we've elected you as stand in...here put on this dress and remember your pretty smile

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 10:56 PM

//be bak soon.//

i'll be counting the days, muck

counting the fucking days

1,... 2,.... still no sign of muck

3,........

panic!

4,............

air-ono lapses into a coma from grief

yet he manages to communicate with his pinkie

the only part of him alive

Posted by: air-ono at August 20, 2005 10:57 PM

Helping Al Franken find a swindler

Michelle Malkin

According to Fran Magbual, a family friend of the Cohens whom I interviewed this week from Hawaii, Marvin Montvel-Cohen was an art and anthropology professor at the University of Guam. Magbual's father also taught at that school. Cohen's deceased father "was a simple, nice man. Well respected," Magbual told me. Another old friend of the Cohens, Gail Stone, also knew Cohen's father in Guam, where she grew up. "I'm glad he's not alive to see this," Stone told me by phone from Hawaii. Stone lived next to an accountant who worked with Cohen the younger at a Guam publication called Latte Magazine. According to Stone, her neighbor was fired after calling attention to financial irregularities involving Cohen.

Last week, I heard from another source in Hawaii -- a top executive at a large nonprofit in Honolulu who preferred to remain anonymous but wanted to send a strong message:

"Thought you should know that Evan Cohen, believe it or not, has relocated to Hawaii and had been applying for Development Director positions at local nonprofits. I was involved as a part of an interview team in which we interviewed him a couple of months ago . . . Fortunately, we did some research on him, as he was (obviously) not honest in his resume, and eliminated him from the process. . . . Chances are, he has already moved out of the state."

Al Franken, who specializes in blowing the whistle on "lies and the lying liars who tell them," could provide a helpful public service by passing this warning on to his vast audience of caring liberals. Cohen is out there somewhere. Both he and current Air America executives know a lot more about the liberal radio money pit than the public has been told -- and not just related to the victims at the Gloria Wise Boys & Girls Club.

But don't worry, Al. We're on the trail.

You can wake up now.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 20, 2005 10:58 PM

Oh my God!

Am I gonna have to go off about what a self-loathing piece douchebag Michelle Malkin is?

Posted by: Meg at August 20, 2005 10:58 PM

War Dog must have taken off....

Needed to get instructions from the RNC....

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 20, 2005 10:58 PM

ha-ha

not anymore, bitch-ass nobody

meg's here

welcome to the blog meg

Posted by: air-ono at August 20, 2005 11:00 PM

Trotting out the Evan Cohen charity story again....shit, trolls must be desperate....how much did Halliburton overcharge the Pentagon, billions?

Fuck the trolls....

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 20, 2005 11:01 PM

You can wake up now.


Posted by: Anonymous at August 20, 2005 10:58 PM

Ya umm this isn't the franken blog...you're lookngi for the blog three doors down...thanks for playing.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 11:01 PM

He could have easily met with her, and gotten it over with.

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 20, 2005 10:45 PM

----------------------------------------------

From a purely politically-motivated public relations viewpoint:

Most observers agree that Bush blew it.

While it is difficult to know when to hold 'em and when to show 'em, no one gives credit to a loser.

Bush could have disarmed this public relations threat in the early going but he did not and now he can not.

The years of pens holding dissenters at a sanitary distance are over.

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 11:01 PM

//Needed to get instructions from the RNC....//

war-bitch was knocked the fuck out

Posted by: air-ono at August 20, 2005 11:02 PM

goddamit thes free streemin suks!

life in em fast lane by em eegles? bj thomas?

wtf!!!??!!!

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 11:02 PM

Why are these neocons so convinced that Franken is running AAR? Is it just that he's such a public figure and thus, an easy target?

Posted by: Meg at August 20, 2005 11:02 PM

Posted by: MuZack at August 20, 2005 11:03 PM

meg's here

welcome to the blog meg

Posted by: air-ono at August 20, 2005 11:00 PM

You got sooooo lucky

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 11:03 PM

Michelle Malkin, an authority of non-biased, balanced journalism....

Such epic bullshit from you trolls....

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 20, 2005 11:03 PM

War Dog must have taken off....

Needed to get instructions from the RNC....

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 20, 2005 10:58 PM

----------------------------------------------

K.C. is down 17 to 10.

Now would be a good time to call War Dog and let him know that the shop fire was a false alarm.

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 11:05 PM

heer air-ono. getter litle manhood bak curtesy em leenk given me by jimmy:

leenk

warnin! goes to piks of nekkid purdy yumg japanese gals! nsfw! doent clik ifn noodity hurtys yore feelins!

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 11:06 PM

//Why are these neocons so convinced that Franken is running AAR?//

it's their tag-line/catch-cry, meg

they're totally fucked in the head

Posted by: air-ono at August 20, 2005 11:06 PM

Posted by: Meg at August 20, 2005 11:02 PM

THey're pissed at franken for outing them in his best sellnig book...lies and the lying liars that tell them...or something like that ;)

I hear it makes a great gift...of course franken just put another book...but I don't pay much attention to him...he's too right wingish for me...

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 11:06 PM

fuk al franken

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 11:08 PM

MY EVIL SIDEKICK WHO WILL KICK YOU IN THE SIDES:

LOCO DESTRUCTO IS THE NAME OF MY SIDEKICK.

LOCO DESTRUCTO IS A GOOD SIDEKICK WHO HELPS WASH MY CAR!

NOW I WILL ALLOW HIM TO SAY A FEW WORDS BEFORE I STUFF HIM BACK INTO THE SEAWEED CAGE I KEEP HIM IN EVERY NIGHT...

HE LIKES IT THOUGH BECAUSE I FEED HIM THE PENGUINS.

OK NOW MY LOCO SIDEKICK DESTRUCTO WILL SPEAK:

Posted by: elserpento.com at August 20, 2005 11:09 PM

But its funny. Weren't the neocons trying to excuse Cohen a few weeks back so they could blame Franken?

Posted by: Meg at August 20, 2005 11:09 PM

ah heer we go. do sum derty sowth bownce

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 11:10 PM

love yoo #. :)

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 02:17 AM

Posted by: Sentimental Encorererer at August 20, 2005 11:11 PM

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 11:06 PM

jesus christ, muck

u turned me into a zombie

purrr-fection

*

meet u in the suki-bar

Posted by: air-ono at August 20, 2005 11:11 PM

I have a Franken beer mug made in Germany.

It's call a Fra---

(I can't do it. Even I have standards.)

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 11:12 PM

fuk al franken

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 11:08 PM

you go right on ahead...he's not my type

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 11:14 PM

Franken's new book isn't out yet.

I don't consider him right wing at all, but it is hilarious how the right actually believes him to be radical left.

Man, they need to listen to Malloy. In fact, I hope they do listen to to him because they'd all drop dead of heart attacks after about two minutes.

Posted by: Meg at August 20, 2005 11:15 PM

But its funny. Weren't the neocons trying to excuse Cohen a few weeks back so they could blame Franken?


Posted by: Meg at August 20, 2005 11:09 PM

Yes Meg but then they figured out that Cohen was one of their own...

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 11:16 PM

(I can't do it. Even I have standards.)

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 11:12 PM

No No No No

C'mon


Do it

Posted by: Frank at August 20, 2005 11:17 PM

"Franken's new book isn't out yet."

it went on sale a couple days ago

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 11:17 PM

//you go right on ahead...he's not my type

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 11:14 PM
//

jus turn owt em lites ima gues.

shit. im shuld do sum werk. gotten rite myoosik now. gotta good derty sowth bownse toons goin.

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 11:17 PM

Maybe Al is running for Senate in 2006 instead of 2008, so maybe that's why they're going after him....

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 20, 2005 11:19 PM

"Man, they need to listen to Malloy."

played really loud 24/7 while they wait in teeny little cells?

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 11:19 PM

No No No No

C'mon

Do it

Posted by: Frank at August 20, 2005 11:17 PM

------------------------------------------------

Let's just say that it is a promotional natural.

And that I am certain that Al Franken recognized the joke long before I did.

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 11:20 PM

shit. im shuld do sum werk.

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 11:17 PM

----------------------------------------------

Spam yourself, block yourself and call it a day.

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 11:23 PM

Since Franken's is trying so hard to be "centrist", he might panic and take a turn to the right when these bastards come after him, like most Dems do when the right comes after them....

Let's hope not....

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 20, 2005 11:23 PM

Maybe Al is running for Senate in 2006 instead of 2008, so maybe that's why they're going after him....


Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 20, 2005 11:19 PM

Who cares if he ever runs so long as it keeps the wingnuts busy chasing his tail.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 11:23 PM

HELLO I AM LOCO DESTRUCTO. EL SERPENTO SAY THAT I AM SIDEKICK BUT HE IS MORE WRONG THAN A BUCKET OF LIES ABOUT THIS. I AM NO ONE'S SIDEKICK OR EVEN ROUNDHOUSE KICK OR ANYTHING ELSE DONE WITH A HUMAN FOOT (WITH TOES). WE ARE MORE LIKE WRESTLING LIFE PARTNERS THAN KICKS THAT GO SIDEWAYS TOGETHER.

I AM YELLING AT YOUR FACE NOW BECAUSE THAT IS THE LUCHA WAY. WE YELL IN THE FACES OF THE WORLD DWELLERS SO THAT THEY CAN UNDERSTAND STRUGGLE TIMES IN THE RING OF LIFE IF THEY OPPOSE US. AND YELLING WITH YOUR MOUTH MAKES IT EASIER TO HEAR YOURSELF IN CROWDED SUBWAY WHEN TO SINGING ALONG WITH WORLD'S BEST LEADING BAND BANANARAMA.

ALSO, EL MATEMATICO MAKES LIES TO YOU, FAIR FOLK PEOPLE OF RICHMOND VIRGINIA. HE IS NO SAVIOR IN PROTECTOR TIMES, AND HE CANNOT EVEN ADD SO BIG LIKE HE PRETENDS FOR. HE DOES OKAY UNTIL HE GETS TO THE ADVANCED ALGEBRA, AND THEN LET ME TELL YOU SOME TRUTHFUL HAPPENINGS, RICHMOND, HE JUST SORT OF FALLS APART LIKE LEGO HOUSE KICKED TO PIECES BY OLDER BROTHER.

EL SERPENTO AND I ARE TRUE CITY PROTECTORS OF RICHMOND VIRGINIA. FOR WHO TO BETTER PROTECT CITY THAN HIGH TIME CRIMINAL LUCHA? WHEN EL SERPENTO AND I WORK IN CITY 9-5 REGULAR CRIME JOBS, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO GET, RICHMOND. EL MATEMATICO THINK HE CHASE AWAY OLD CRIME BUT INSTEAD BRING YOU MYSTERY BAG OF NEW CRIMES, RICHMOND!

Posted by: LOCO DESTRUCTO at August 20, 2005 11:25 PM

heer air. try sum derty sowth bownse. doent kno ifn they got thes in australia or not:

http://music.yahoo.com/launchcast/relaunch.asp?p=1&m=539&d=0

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 11:27 PM

hahahaha...talk about chasing their tails...


Bush Confidante Begins Task of Repairing America's Image Abroad


For years, President Bush has called on Karen P. Hughes, his confidante from Texas, to help devise replies to attacks from political foes. Now Ms. Hughes, installed at the State Department, plans to set up "rapid response" teams to counter bad news and defend administration policies around the globe.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 11:27 PM

I hate it when the tortilla has a rip in the middle.

Posted by: Meg at August 20, 2005 11:27 PM

I hate it when the tortilla has a rip in the middle.

Posted by: Meg at August 20, 2005 11:27 PM

-------------------------------------------------

You can tie me up and beat me down but you will never, ever coerce me to comment on this statement.

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 11:30 PM

tho ima ole skool norteno XIV sorta type ese

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 11:31 PM

wedo why aint ya hangerin owt heer:

http://www.rantburg.com/index.php?HC=1

smart peples there. ya can lern sum debatin skillz their sted of stayin with that sad ass shtik of yores.

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 11:33 PM

What is Karen Hughes going to do? Another lame PR campaign?

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 20, 2005 11:33 PM

"Among the officials consulted by Ms. Hughes is Edward P. Djerejian, a former ambassador and White House spokesman, who headed a task force that concluded in 2003 that hostility toward the United States had reached "shocking" levels."

Ok they're gonna propagandize countries that have a lower favorable rating for old Bush that we have here ourselves and what they're calling rapid response has taken two yeas to even get started?

And it's gonna cost how much?

fucking idiot bushies.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 11:34 PM

//love yoo #. :)

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 02:17 AM
//

ima do. wud marry that gal. shes gotter grate mind. never borin talkerin to her.

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 11:36 PM

wat! wat! wat! wat!

yeeaaaaeeaah!

luv thes derty sowth bownse stuff. :)

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 11:38 PM

Posted by: Meg at August 20, 2005 11:38 PM

What is Karen Hughes going to do? Another lame PR campaign?

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 20, 2005 11:33 PM

she works for state deptment now, not in WH.

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 11:39 PM

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 11:36 PM

Ya and a cute voice too...only she didn't like it much when I told her that...

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 11:39 PM

yoo redy bother sum eestside homies wedo? doent take mayfair so litely. sal si puede vato!

saw lotter protests me growin yeers homie. doent liken bother wiff em no moe.

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 11:40 PM

For years, President Bush has called on Karen P. Hughes, his confidante from Texas, to help devise replies to attacks from political foes. Now Ms. Hughes, installed at the State Department, plans to set up "rapid response" teams to counter bad news and defend administration policies around the globe.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 11:27 PM

first PR campaign:

Bush is the greatest. whoever doesn't think so, must be with terrorists. Free chocolate for everybody.

woohooo.... *the crowd roar wildly*

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 11:42 PM

Steelers Win


Miami 3

Pittsburgh 17

Posted by: Kevin at August 20, 2005 11:43 PM

cb's em purdy independent minded gal an veree gud thinker. gotten chanse to meet her cupla munths ago.

very wunderful woman. wish theren wuz more liker arownd.

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 11:43 PM

Posted by: Meg at August 20, 2005 11:43 PM

Wanda...who is more shrill in your opinion? Janeane or Malloy?

Methinks Malloy....

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 20, 2005 11:44 PM

www.dummocrats.com/

Posted by: www.dummocrats.com/ at August 20, 2005 11:45 PM

THe best post this weekend.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/20/232228/849

To invent a Plan. The Plan justifies you to such a degree that you can no longer be held accountable, not even for the Plan itself. Just throw the stone and hide your hand. If there really were a Plan, there would be no failure. You never had Cecilia because the Archons made Annibale Canta-lamessa and Pio Bo unskilled even with the friendliest of the brass instruments. You fled the Canal gang because the Decans wanted to spare you for another holocaust. And the man with the scar has a talisman more powerful than yours.

A Plan, a guilty party. The dream of our species. An Deus sit. If He exists, it's His fault. The thing whose address I lost is not the End, it's the Beginning. Not the object to be possessed but the subject that possesses me. Misery loves company. Misery, company, too many dactyls. Nothing can dispel from my mind the most reassuring thought that this world is the creation of a shadowy god whose shadow I prolong. Faith leads to Absolute Optimism.

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 11:45 PM

Fitzgerald has reputation for pursuing the man at the top


U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald has prosecuted mobsters, terrorists and even journalists. He has investigated and charged state and city officials in this notoriously crooked state with pit bull tenacity.

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 11:46 PM

Karen Hughes...

Bush is god...fuck everyone who doesn't think so....now on your knees peasants and worship him (all said with a down home "Texas" smile)....

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 20, 2005 11:47 PM

first PR campaign:

Bush is the greatest. whoever doesn't think so, must be with terrorists. Free chocolate for everybody.

woohooo.... *the crowd roar wildly*

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 11:42 PM

------------------------------------------------

This is pretty funny even if you do write with a speech impediment.

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 11:48 PM

first PR campaign:

Bush is the greatest. whoever doesn't think so, must be with terrorists. Free chocolate for everybody.

woohooo.... *the crowd roar wildly*

Posted by: wanda at August 20, 2005 11:42 PM

Buhahahahaha...

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 11:50 PM

yoo derty sowth bownsen yet ono?

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 11:51 PM

//(all said with a down home "Texas" smile)....


Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 20, 2005 11:47 PM
//

yore gonna need texas ifn ya wanna win aneething.

yoo alredy got austin. timen werk teh rest of em state

Posted by: muck4doo at August 20, 2005 11:53 PM

First thing I'd do as president, deport Michelle Malkin, just for the hell of it. Her spawn can go with her.

Posted by: Meg [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 20, 2005 11:56 PM

Posted by: MuZack at August 20, 2005 11:57 PM

At War in Bomb Field, at Peace in Field of Dreams


"The only reason we got this nasty job chasing roadside bombs is because we are expendable," said Staff Sgt. Jeff Rayner from Nashville. "They need bodies, and we provide them. We clear the roads, but we're still treated like dirt here."

"A lot of soldiers are pretty tightly wound, so sports is perfect for letting them release their aggressive energy," said Sergeant Rayner, who is the noncommissioned officer in charge of Company A's night operations. "Sometimes you get some Iraqi in a vehicle trying to get by your convoy, and an American soldier who is too riled up shoots him. Then you have a problem. You have a dead local on your hands.

Walking out of the gym afterward, they looked up to see a wooden plaque commemorating their brigade's first casualty during this deployment, Sgt. First Class David J. Salie, 34, killed by a roadside bomb Feb. 14.

"Don't we always go by where he was killed?" Sergeant Martin asked. "Isn't that the big hole we go by next to that bridge, Harterson?"

"I think so," Sergeant Harterson said, shaking his head, then falling silent for a moment.

"Yeah, I think that's where the bomb got him."

Posted by: Nobody at August 20, 2005 11:59 PM

ima ben ban heer?

why aint me post showin up?

Posted by: muck4doo at August 21, 2005 12:02 AM

How many people are at Camp Casey now?

Posted by: Meg [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 21, 2005 12:03 AM

ahh their it goes

Posted by: muck4doo at August 21, 2005 12:03 AM

//How many people are at Camp Casey now?

Posted by: Meg at August 21, 2005 12:03 AM
//

ummmm. not enuff chanje anywunz minds?

thats me anser.

Posted by: muck4doo at August 21, 2005 12:05 AM

I'm very disappointed in Lance Armstrong.

Posted by: Meg [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 21, 2005 12:05 AM

Wanda...who is more shrill in your opinion? Janeane or Malloy?

Methinks Malloy....

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 20, 2005 11:44 PM

don't know. brain is auto filtering both by now.

Posted by: wanda at August 21, 2005 12:05 AM

Posted by: at August 21, 2005 12:07 AM

quick not to chubby.

1) it's not much of a secret and why not?

2) no I meant pound as in 16 ounces. I can make that much with much less work and my boys are "cerebral"

3) you can't dredge there or anywhere else without an envirnomental impact statement...by hand or zip

You answer your own questions here ;)

you have to admit, your tale is a pretty tale one and you shouldn't be too surprised should people not believe it.

and besides, if your sitting on a reserve like you say, the more people who doubt it, the better.

Posted by: Nobody at August 21, 2005 12:08 AM

mucky, they aren't trying to change miinds. But what they are doing is getting people who agree to feel safer to come out and say so

Really, does anyone know how many people are left there?

Posted by: Meg [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 21, 2005 12:09 AM

This is pretty funny even if you do write with a speech impediment.

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 20, 2005 11:48 PM

perfection is not my specialty, get used to it.

Posted by: wanda at August 21, 2005 12:11 AM

//mucky, they aren't trying to change miinds. But what they are doing is getting people who agree to feel safer to come out and say so

Really, does anyone know how many people are left there?

Posted by: Meg at August 21, 2005 12:09 AM
//

doent kno meg. but itn reely look like em preechin to teh choir kinda ordeel.

kinda why ime aint giverd it much attenshen.

Posted by: muck4doo at August 21, 2005 12:11 AM

robert gravesd wuz grate, but also mader lotta mistakes.

god rest him soul

Posted by: muck4doo at August 21, 2005 12:12 AM

In her book Leo Strauss and the American Right, Shadia Drury elaborates on Strauss' view that a political aristocracy must necessarily manipulate the masses for their own good. The Straussian worldview, according to Drury, contends that “perpetual deception of the citizens by those in power is critical because they need to be led, and they need strong rulers to tell them what's good for them.”

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/analysis/2004/0402nsai.php

Posted by: wanda at August 21, 2005 12:14 AM

Really, does anyone know how many people are left there?

Posted by: Meg at August 21, 2005 12:09 AM

gimme a couple minutes meg...the camp didn't empty out when cindy left if that's what you're thinking.

Posted by: Nobody at August 21, 2005 12:14 AM

Malloy is way too shrill for me, can't listen to him...while he's correct on everything, still too difficult....

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 21, 2005 12:16 AM

In his “success in looking below the surface” and his “seeming unworldliness,” Leo Strauss resembles George Smiley, the wise but weary protagonist of the spy novels of John le Carré, boast Shulsky and Schmitt. “Indeed, the Iraq intelligence debacle swirling around Shulsky's OSP [Office of Special Plans] seems to fit some of le Carré's enduring revelations about the espionage business,” writes Washington Monthly's national security affairs correspondent Laura Rozen. However, she suggests that the two Straussian intelligence buffs further explore the Smiley-Strauss analogy. In le Carré's looking glass world of spies, observes Rozen, “intelligence is almost always politicized” and “the ideological assumptions and personal obsessions that drive people in the spook world can be as disabling as the secrets and disinformation with which their enemies set about to deceive them.”

Robert Pippen, chairman of the Committee on Social Thought at the University of Chicago, attributes Strauss with believing that “good statesmen must rely on an inner circle. The person who whispers in the ear of the king is more important than the king.” 5

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/analysis/2004/0402nsai.php

Posted by: wanda at August 21, 2005 12:16 AM

kinda why ime aint giverd it much attenshen.

Posted by: muck4doo at August 21, 2005 12:11 AM

Itn more importunt you given wedo attenshun.

Posted by: Exhausted Blogger at August 21, 2005 12:16 AM

I hate the "just preaching to the choir" line.

Any pastor will tell you, sometimes the choir needs reminding.

Posted by: Meg [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 21, 2005 12:17 AM

from mehitabel’s extensive past

*

mehitabel the cat claims that

she has a human soul

also and has transmigrated

from body to body and it

may be so boss you

remember i told you she accused

herself of being cleopatra once i

asked her about antony

anthony who she asked me are

you thinking of that

song about rowley and gammon and

spinach heigho for anthony rowley

Caesar and the snake

no i said mark antony the

great roman the friend of

caesar surely cleopatra you

remember j caesar

listen archy she said i

have been so many different

people in my time and met

so many prominent gentlemen i

wont lie to you or stall i

do get my dates mixed sometimes

think of how much i have had a

chance to forget and i have

always made a point of not

carrying grudges over

from one life to the next archy

i have been

used something fierce in my time but

i am no bum sport archy

i am a free spirit archy i

look on myself as being

quite a romantic character oh the

queens i have been and the

swell feeds i have ate

a cockroach which you are

and a poet which you used to be

archy couldn t understand

my feelings at having come

down to this i have

had bids to elegant feeds where poets

and cockroaches would

neither one be mentioned without a

laugh archy i have had

adventures but i

have never been an adventuress

one life up and the next life

down archy but always a lady

through it all and a

good mixer too …


*

— Don Marquis, from archy and mehitabel

Posted by: anonymous at August 21, 2005 12:18 AM

ahhh shite. ima gotta stop bloggin. jus posted some nastee crap atn teh sooper secret blog of me freeper buddies on teh net.

shure thay aint gonna liker me much more eether.

kant help it tho.

tired of emn stoopiditee runnin teh cuntree

Posted by: muck4doo at August 21, 2005 12:19 AM

I'm sitting here watching SNL.

Posted by: -B at August 21, 2005 12:21 AM

perfection is not my specialty, get used to it.

Posted by: wanda at August 21, 2005 12:11 AM

Stop fucking me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Janeana at August 21, 2005 12:22 AM

hrm I can't find the link the othe official camp casey blog...anyone got it?

Posted by: Nobody at August 21, 2005 12:22 AM

a chalenje to all yallz hoo voted fore bush!

is thes guy did ANEETHEENG yoo expekted in voterin fore him?

other an cuttin taxes fore teh rich?

Posted by: muck4doo at August 21, 2005 12:23 AM

Actually I'm posting. The tv is on in the other room and...

I'm drinking a beer.

Plus Tin Pan Alley by SRV in the headphones.

Posted by: -B at August 21, 2005 12:23 AM

say -B

want something really hot?

try the new ginger altoids--

"curiously strong!"

Posted by: Exhausted Blogger at August 21, 2005 12:23 AM

Malloy is way too shrill for me, can't listen to him...while he's correct on everything, still too difficult....

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 21, 2005 12:16 AM

really? I got the opposit impression. I don't mind the screaming and the bad firebrand voice imitation. But his analysis is thin. (why do things happen such way, what does it mean in larger context, what will happen next)

They are either thin, pure rethoric or absolutely wrong. All in all useless. I can just scan google news headlines and get exactly what he is saying in 20 seconds.

Posted by: wanda at August 21, 2005 12:24 AM

Honestly I can rarely get through two lines of mucky's posts. I wish he'd just type normal.

Posted by: Meg [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 21, 2005 12:25 AM

There was a young fellow named Sidney

Who drank till he ruined his kidney

It shriveled and shrank

As he sat there and drank

But he had a good time of it, didn'e?


*

Don Marquis

Posted by: anonymous at August 21, 2005 12:26 AM

Don't worry Cindy.

I don't associate your recent acceleration in popularity to a tropical storm.

After all.

I have nothing to hide, do I?

Posted by: -B at August 21, 2005 12:26 AM

az fore meself. onlee cupla peples im said this to.

didnt vote for kerry. Michael Badnarik gotten me vote an ima wuz kwite prowd!

jus didnt theenk kerry hader much a chanse winnen texas so ima voted me harte. but theenkin on it, im shuldnt feel gilty bowt thisn at all!

Posted by: muck4doo at August 21, 2005 12:26 AM

They are either thin, pure rethoric or absolutely wrong. All in all useless. I can just scan google news headlines and get exactly what he is saying in 20 seconds.

Posted by: wanda at August 21, 2005 12:24 AM


plus he's a pessimist until proven otherwise.

Posted by: Exhausted Blogger at August 21, 2005 12:26 AM

He used to type normal.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 21, 2005 12:27 AM

I think, Wanda, you would prefer AAR to be more like National Public Radio, with real in-depth analysis and the like....

I don't think that's going to happen....

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 21, 2005 12:28 AM

Except this explosive I keep in my pants pocket.

Wanna be the first to open it, pig?

Posted by: -B at August 21, 2005 12:28 AM

plus he's a pessimist until proven otherwise.

Posted by: Exhausted Blogger at August 21, 2005 12:26 AM

lol. well that too. but his show is post midnite. Melancholia goes with the territory. My big gripe is his analytical depth.

Posted by: wanda at August 21, 2005 12:30 AM

Posted by: pix at August 21, 2005 12:30 AM

joyne em libertarian party an take bak america now!

get ridd4er teh speshal intrests of em cuntree betrayin demokraps an rethuglikans!

Posted by: muck4doo at August 21, 2005 12:31 AM

"find_your_home" by Vue. (punk/blues. San franciso)

http://www.thevue.com/2004/music.html

Posted by: wanda at August 21, 2005 12:31 AM

"Publishing a volume of verse is like dropping a rose petal down the Grand Canyon and waiting for the echo."


-Don Marquis

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 21, 2005 12:32 AM

Malloy's very pessimistic, and there's very little humour in him. A cynical person/work of art can be brilliantly funny at times, like Larry David, Billy Wilder, and Dr. Strangelove. Also Catch-22.

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 21, 2005 12:32 AM

tired of emn stoopiditee runnin teh cuntree

Posted by: muck4doo at August 21, 2005 12:19 AM

tired of stupidity running the country.

see, meg, it's easy. if you need help translating go to www.muck4dooinenglish.com

Posted by: Exhausted Blogger at August 21, 2005 12:33 AM

and so it begins again...

Police arrest five anti-war protesters, two injured, in march


Police charged four people protesting the war in Iraq, two of whom suffered minor injuries from the police response, when 60 people disrupted traffic by marching the wrong way down a busy one-way street toward an Army recruiting station.

The Pittsburgh Organizing Group planned the Saturday morning demonstration. A spokesman for that group, David Meieran, accused police of responding with "inappropriate and excessive force."

Meieran claimed some protesters were pepper sprayed and Tasered; he said a 68-year-old woman who was not resisting was bitten by a police dog.

Posted by: Nobody at August 21, 2005 12:33 AM

Climatologists Wager on Global Warming

"The Guardian is carrying a story about a $10,000 bet that a pair of Russian scientists have entered with British climate expert James Annan. According to the article, the Russians believe the world will be cooler in 10 years. "If the temperature drops Dr Annan will stump up the $10,000 (now equivalent to about £5,800) in 2018. If the Earth continues to warm, the money will go the other way."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1552092,00.html

Posted by: wanda at August 21, 2005 12:34 AM

The movie Cursed only had one flaw.

The connection between the werewolf and the person it kills, is a rule.

So did I miss the twist in the plot or something?

Because if the werewolf that originally bit them...was that...particular...person...

Then what was the reason for the attack on the highway at the beginning?

See.

It don't make no sense. *ZZTop voice heh, heh, heh

Plus why were these people connecting the dots on their hands...in a pentagram...then calling it the mark of the beast?

The pentagram is a five pointed star, not the mark of the beast. That's ridiculous. But not a flaw, Director Craven.

Posted by: -B at August 21, 2005 12:36 AM

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Posted by: Nobody at August 21, 2005 12:37 AM

ima seen me cuntree stolen frum rite under me feet

demokaraps rethuglikans even steelin em food for me to eet

feedin big oil an law intrests

puttin em big knife in me chest

feedin owt em troff of em peples!

beleevin us em sheeples

jusn wait wen ima come kik yore ass

an days of tyrany end at last!

treetin us like unknowin sheep

jus gonna get ya a knife in yore thraot at sleep!

Posted by: muck4doo at August 21, 2005 12:39 AM

Who the hell cares about Bush's bicycle ride with Lance? Bush loves himself way too much !!!!!!!!!!!! Guess what mr. president ... WE DON"T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT YOUR RANCH !!! OR, YOUR BICYCLE, OR YOUR CATTLE !!!

PUT A CORK IN IT BUSH ...

Posted by: Peter at August 21, 2005 12:39 AM

Well, that was Voodoo Chile...I'm done.

Back to the tv.

(No jokes?)

tired of emn stoopiditee runnin teh cuntree *mirror*rorrim
eertnuc het ninnur eetidipoots nme fo derit

Posted by: -B at August 21, 2005 12:40 AM

I like Malloy and I actually email him a lot. But sometimes my mind just can't take that much pessimism. Those times, I turn on music instead.

But I still listen to him for at least a little while every night.

Posted by: Meg [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 21, 2005 12:40 AM

I think, Wanda, you would prefer AAR to be more like National Public Radio, with real in-depth analysis and the like....

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 21, 2005 12:28 AM

I think ideally, AAR would sound like that fav prof in your college. Funny and to the point. He can cut through the chase and makes you go ... 'Aha' I get it now.

or like listening to great lawyer. 'Okay I am following you' I see what you are saying.

AAR to NPR would be what punk is to rock n roll. same structure and logic, except played a far higher speed and has bigger dynamic.

If NPR is the elvis presley, AAR is the Husker Du or X. (okay maybe the Clash or the Ramones...you get my point.)

Posted by: wanda at August 21, 2005 12:41 AM

*mirror*Rohirrim

Posted by: -B at August 21, 2005 12:42 AM

Bush is totally narcissitic.....

And the media loves showing this bike riding shit, making him look "macho"....

It's not working, MSM!!!!!

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 21, 2005 12:42 AM

an days of tyrany end at last!

treetin us like unknowin sheep

jus gonna get ya a knife in yore thraot at sleep!

Posted by: muck4doo at August 21, 2005 12:39 AM

and like raygun used to say, "we ain't nothin' yet."

Posted by: Exhausted Blogger at August 21, 2005 12:44 AM

wanda go slint yoreself.

reely.

go slint yoreself.

or lissen em sum derty sowth bownse with me.

yore choise.

theenk ya like mike jones, ima corekt no?

Posted by: muck4doo at August 21, 2005 12:48 AM

Speaking of Husker Du.

"Something I learned today" by Husker Du

http://notendur.centrum.is/~drastl/saetor/Husker_Du-Something_I_Learned_Today.mp3

Posted by: wanda at August 21, 2005 12:48 AM

Posted by: at August 21, 2005 12:49 AM

austin 3 sumthin...

Posted by: muck4doo at August 21, 2005 12:50 AM


think you can find something on "grey" magic dear?

Posted by: Nobody at August 21, 2005 12:51 AM

hey bush!

doent mess wiffn texas!

goddam coneticut yankee....

Posted by: muck4doo at August 21, 2005 12:51 AM

wanda go slint yoreself.

reely.

go slint yoreself.

Posted by: muck4doo at August 21, 2005 12:48 AM

no translation available

Posted by: Exhausted Blogger at August 21, 2005 12:54 AM

Get your point, Wanda. I prefer The Clash, by the way....it blew my mind when Janeane had to admit she doesn't have any Clash albums....they had a guy on who wrote a biography of Joe Strummer, and she said she wasn't familiar with their music, which really surprised me.

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 21, 2005 12:59 AM

Posted by: Nobody at August 21, 2005 1:04 AM

Love that first song off of Warehouse....These Important Years...

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 21, 2005 1:05 AM

Forth rode the king, fear behind him,

fate before him. Fealty kept he; oaths he had taken, all fulfilled them.

Forth rode Théoden. five nights and days

east and onward rode the Eorlingas through Folde and Fenmarch and the Firienwood,

six thousand spears to Sunlending,

Mundburg the mighty under Mindolluin, Sea-kings; city in the South-kingdom

foe-beleaguered, fire-encircled.

Doom drove them on. Darkness took them, horse and horseman; hoofbeats afar

sank into silence; so the songs tell us.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c7/Rohanflag.jpg

Vocatus atque non vocatus, deus aderit.

Posted by: dada at August 21, 2005 1:05 AM

Posted by: Nobody at August 21, 2005 12:51 AM

I think I can sweetie.

--

White Magic: Magic done with the intent to help and with the permission and understanding of the receiver..

Grey Magic: Magic done with the intent to help, but without the permission and/or understanding of the receiver.

Black Magic: Magic done with any intent other than to help the reciever, regardless of permission or understanding of the receiver.

--

The Grey Order

The Grey Order are a renegade group of steamworkers and clockworkers who have fled from their various Guilds and worked together on some esoteric project. It appears to have worked, because the Grey Order now have their own brand of magic to control, imaginatively titled Grey Magic. By drawing the correct runes, they can produce a range of startling effects that it's hard to attribute to any regular Powers or Gods. They claim that the power behind this is protected in their homebase in Irgar, the clockwork Citadel of Steam, but none of them know (or at least, are allowed to admit to knowing) why exactly this power works; the secret is protected by the very highest-ranking members of their organisation.

Since they've gained this power, the Grey Order have swelled from a breakaway faction of weird engineers to a fairly reasonable power-group, with agents in a variety of locations. It's still not entirely clear what their agenda really is; their lips are characteristically sealed on it. Public figures in the Grey Order always dress in the Order's characteristic loose, drab grey robes; it's known (though they don't admit to it) that the Order also has a certain number of plain-clothes operators.

--

Grey Wizards (sometimes called also Sages) are lean-bodied adventurers who seldom stay in one place for very long, they are stubborn, curious and independent and t

Posted by: at August 21, 2005 1:07 AM

A Change is Gonna Come - Sam Cooke

http://o-dub.com/sounds/soulsides/rm4.mp3

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 21, 2005 1:07 AM

fact Grey Wizards see as ultimate goal in life to gather as much wisdom and knowledge as possible, and it is for this reason that they are so eager to see new places and learn new things to increase their intellect. Grey magic aids these wise men in their quest for knowledge, offering spells that improve speed and safety of travel. Consequently Grey Wizards have control over the forces of weather, and are capable of dispersing raging thunderstorms in few moments or bring to a calm a furious whirlwind. The proverbial wisdom of Grey Wizards causes them to be often sought by powerful men seeking reliable advise. The symbol of the Grey college is the Sword of Judgement, a reminder that seeking knowledge is not enough, for wisdom must be used to correct mistakes and to destroy faults.

Posted by: at August 21, 2005 1:09 AM

Considering Janeane's into all that "alternative" music, I thought she would have some Clash....

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 21, 2005 1:11 AM

Get your point,

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 21, 2005 12:59 AM

yeah. AAR is NPR on acid. :D

Posted by: wanda at August 21, 2005 1:12 AM

I have to go to bed. Gnite

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 21, 2005 1:12 AM

Posted by: wanda at August 21, 2005 1:14 AM

the sword of justice kiddo...

Posted by: Nobody at August 21, 2005 1:16 AM

"Doll~is~mine"~by~Blond~redhead (must download, but I am bias)

http://www.thealt.projecthive.com/existangst/Blonde_Redhead_-_Doll_Is_Mine.mp3

Posted by: wanda at August 21, 2005 1:18 AM

You called me "sweetie"

hehehehe

Posted by: Nobody at August 21, 2005 1:19 AM

Posted by: wanda at August 21, 2005 1:23 AM

Be back later....

Posted by: Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat at August 21, 2005 1:24 AM

Some things are harder to find then others ;)

Posted by: Nobody at August 21, 2005 1:27 AM

"Personality Crisis" by Sonic Youth

http://sonicyouth.com/mp3/index.html

Posted by: wanda at August 21, 2005 1:28 AM

A Change is Gonna Come - Sam Cooke

http://o-dub.com/sounds/soulsides/rm4.mp3

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 21, 2005 01:07 AM

woo hoo...

Posted by: wanda at August 21, 2005 1:30 AM

Posted by: wanda at August 21, 2005 1:34 AM

ima owt.,

yallz haver goodnite.

thatn meen yoo too wanda. :)

Posted by: muck4doo at August 21, 2005 1:35 AM

NY-Gov: Weld To Seek GOP Nomination

Weld, a moderate Republican, has been calling top leaders of New York's Republican and Conservative parties in recent days to talk with them about his interest in the race.

Weld, a partner in the New York investment firm Leeds Weld & Co., moved back to New York state in 2000, thus making himself eligible for the 2006 governor's race. New York has a five-year residency requirement for gubernatorial candidates.

http://mydd.com/story/2005/8/19/145744/185

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 21, 2005 1:41 AM

this is then that was now...

night ;)

Posted by: Nobody at August 21, 2005 1:42 AM

Hey Everyone .....


Heard from Mel via emailie. He says HI!!! to everyone and hopes to be back soon. He is just dealing with some more health issues and so has been working on those rather than bloggin'! Who can blame him! These friggin' freepers are hard enough to deal with healthy .. under the weather .. unbearable!!

So .. wanted to let everyone know we don't have to hire a K & R expert after all and Mel will return as soon as he is feeling up to it!!

For Mel .. in case he seeks a peak!! He made it out .. away from the Big City!! ; )

Posted by: Wil at August 21, 2005 1:43 AM

Hagel, a Vietnam veteran, acknowledged the U.S. military presence was becoming harder and harder to justify. He believes Iraq faces a serious danger of civil war that would threaten Middle East stability, and said there is little Washington can do to avert this.

"We are seen as occupiers, we are targets. We have got to get out. I don't think we can sustain our current policy, nor do I think we should," he said at one stop.
. . .
"The mood is one of a certain sense of unsteadiness," he said. "I have sensed that since September 11, 2001. Our people have still not found an equilibrium and when you get these shocks, like gasoline at $2.50 a gallon and projecting natural gas costs doubling and tripling from what they paid last year, that further shakes them."

"I don't think there's panic, I don't think there's cynicism. I think there's this steady unsure sense about where is this all leading -- the constant daily reports on Iraq, our people being killed there, the money being spent there," he added.

http://mydd.com/story/2005/8/19/8913/21210

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 21, 2005 1:43 AM

August

Feingold 53.0%

Clinton 25.0%

Edwards 22.0%

(Note: numbers as of this writing)

Now that is what I call moving numbers. One single policy proposal completely altered the way the netroots saw these three candidates in relative terms. And that is in one day, with one policy. There is, quite simply, nothing else a candidate could do to move support in the netroots as quickly as this, period.

http://mydd.com/story/2005/8/18/201256/148#readmore

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 21, 2005 1:45 AM

woo hoo...

Posted by: wanda at August 21, 2005 01:30 AM

Hi Wanda

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 21, 2005 1:48 AM

anybody here uses iTune for podcast? is it good?

Posted by: wanda at August 21, 2005 1:49 AM

Hi Wanda

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at August 21, 2005 01:48 AM

heya.

----------

"young prayer" by panda bear

http://www.paw-tracks.com/artists.htm

Posted by: wanda at August 21, 2005 1:51 AM

Love your throw back sixties idiots rather protest Americans then illegals LOL!!

Posted by: sith101 at August 21, 2005 1:58 AM

Can not wait till the illegals run country notice they take jobs people sucking welfare would take LOL!!

Posted by: sith101 at August 21, 2005 1:59 AM

I hope Americans start deporting lawyers who seek greed so bad they defend illegals in America. I guess all sixties libs can do is protest president and military LOL!!

Posted by: sith101 at August 21, 2005 2:02 AM

Notice the blogg is dead like the radio stations LOL! All I hear on Air puke America is Baseball games LOL!!

Posted by: sith101 at August 21, 2005 2:04 AM

http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/002395.html

Knight Ridder's Jonathan Landay reports on a new al Qaeda-funded Taliban emerging as a serious security threat in Afghanistan:

Instead of collapsing, however, the movement transformed itself. When the snows melted this past spring, the Taliban surprised Afghan and U.S. commanders with its renewed insurgency.

"We were all under the assumption that things in the country were under control," Defense Minister Wardak said.

Afghan and Western officials alleged that the escalating insurgency is being aided by Pakistan's powerful military intelligence agency, Inter-Services Intelligence.

Islamabad, they charged, seeks a weak government in Kabul that it can influence. It also wants to keep tensions boiling in Pashtun-dominated areas on the frontier to block a settlement of a decades-old border dispute that the new Afghan Parliament is expected to try to end, they said.

"Pakistan is ... fanning the flames," charged Latfullah Maashal, the chief spokesman of the Afghan Interior Ministry. "The Pakistanis ... do not want to see a strong, peaceful and prosperous country (Afghanistan)."

Posted by: wanda at August 21, 2005 2:04 AM

SAVAGE RULES!! WHERE IS WALDO!!

Posted by: sith101 at August 21, 2005 2:05 AM

Whose Freedom Is It Anyway?

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2005_08_14_digbysblog_archive.html#112458143800175958

Islam will be "the main source" of Iraq's law and parliament will observe religious principles, negotiators said on Saturday after what some called a major turn in talks on the constitution and a shift in the U.S. position.

If agreed by Monday's parliamentary deadline, it would appear to be a major concession to Islamist leaders from the Shi'ite Muslim majority and sit uneasily with U.S. insistence on the primacy of democracy and human rights in the new Iraq.

Well, we're not really talking about human rights now are we? We're talking about women's rights, which are always negotiable.

And what say you Hitchens, you useful fucking idiot? Americans just "freed" the Iraqis so they could live under Islamic law. That's quite a goddamned achievement. You must be so proud.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 21, 2005 2:07 AM

LOL will Hillary kick out illegals when her party defends them notic ACLU and Southern Poverty lawyers LOL!!!

Posted by: sith101 at August 21, 2005 2:08 AM

Is She Hen the sixties retred still beating political drum.

Posted by: sith101 at August 21, 2005 2:10 AM

I hope She Hens mother donated her organs and a illegal gets the organs and flips the bill for tax payers LOL!!

Posted by: sith101 at August 21, 2005 2:12 AM

LOL!! run run!! Ignore the thruth LOL!!

Posted by: sith101 at August 21, 2005 2:14 AM

Prob notice just like the Hitler Germans or the evile right wing notice they ignore or just delete my traffic just like Hitler LOL!! I thought Blogs were public non regulated LOL!!

Posted by: sith101 at August 21, 2005 2:18 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/21/opinion/21rich.html

The Swift Boating of Cindy Sheehan

When these setbacks happen in Iraq itself, the administration punts. But when they happen at home, there's a game plan. Once Ms. Sheehan could no longer be ignored, the Swift Boating began. Character assassination is the Karl Rove tactic of choice, eagerly mimicked by his media surrogates, whenever the White House is confronted by a critic who challenges it on matters of war. The Swift Boating is especially vicious if the critic has more battle scars than a president who connived to serve stateside and a vice president who had "other priorities" during Vietnam.

The most prominent smear victims have been Bush political opponents with heroic Vietnam résumés: John McCain, Max Cleland, John Kerry. But the list of past targets stretches from the former counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke to Specialist Thomas Wilson, the grunt who publicly challenged Donald Rumsfeld about inadequately armored vehicles last December. The assault on the whistle-blower Joseph Wilson - the diplomat described by the first President Bush as "courageous" and "a true American hero" for confronting Saddam to save American hostages in 1991 - was so toxic it may yet send its perpetrators to jail.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 21, 2005 2:19 AM

True to form, the attack on Cindy Sheehan surfaced early on Fox News, where she was immediately labeled a "crackpot" by Fred Barnes. The right-wing blogosphere quickly spread tales of her divorce, her angry Republican in-laws, her supposed political flip-flops, her incendiary sloganeering and her association with known ticket-stub-carrying attendees of "Fahrenheit 9/11." Rush Limbaugh went so far as to declare that Ms. Sheehan's "story is nothing more than forged documents - there's nothing about it that's real."

But this time the Swift Boating failed, utterly, and that failure is yet another revealing historical marker in this summer's collapse of political support for the Iraq war.

When the Bush mob attacks critics like Ms. Sheehan, its highest priority is to change the subject. If we talk about Richard Clarke's character, then we stop talking about the administration's pre-9/11 inattentiveness to terrorism. If Thomas Wilson is trashed as an insubordinate plant of the "liberal media," we forget the Pentagon's abysmal failure to give our troops adequate armor (a failure that persists today, eight months after he spoke up). If we focus on Joseph Wilson's wife, we lose the big picture of how the administration twisted intelligence to gin up the threat of Saddam's nonexistent W.M.D.'s.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 21, 2005 2:22 AM

The public knows that what matters this time is Casey Sheehan's story, not the mother who symbolizes it. Cindy Sheehan's bashers, you'll notice, almost never tell her son's story. They are afraid to go there because this young man's life and death encapsulate not just the noble intentions of those who went to fight this war but also the hubris, incompetence and recklessness of those who gave the marching orders.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 21, 2005 2:23 AM

And what say you Hitchens, you useful fucking idiot? Americans just "freed" the Iraqis so they could live under Islamic law. That's quite a goddamned achievement. You must be so proud.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 21, 2005 02:07 AM

he doesn't know. poor guy's got a disease. I do wish someone would take away his writing utensils until he gets help though.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 21, 2005 2:23 AM

As Ms. Zappala noted with rage, her son's death came only a few weeks after Mr. Bush regaled the Radio and Television Correspondents' Association banquet in Washington with a scripted comedy routine featuring photos of him pretending to look for W.M.D.'s in the Oval Office. "We'd like to know if he still finds humor in the fabrications that justified the war that killed my son," Ms. Zappala wrote. (Perhaps so: surely it was a joke that one of the emissaries Mr. Bush sent to Cindy Sheehan in Crawford was Stephen Hadley, the national security adviser who took responsibility for allowing the 16 errant words about doomsday uranium into the president's prewar State of the Union speech.)

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 21, 2005 2:24 AM

Is She Hen going to give her mothers organs to research?? May be a illegals will live with mother donation. Also how is Taliban Janes drive going notice Taliban jane will drive left to map!!

Posted by: sith101 at August 21, 2005 2:24 AM

(crayons are okay, I guess. supervised)

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 21, 2005 2:25 AM

THIS summer in Crawford, the White House went to this playbook once too often. When Mr. Bush's motorcade left a grieving mother in the dust to speed on to a fund-raiser, that was one fat-cat party too far. The strategy of fighting a war without shared national sacrifice has at last backfired, just as the strategy of Swift Boating the war's critics has reached its Waterloo before Patrick Fitzgerald's grand jury in Washington. The 24/7 cable and Web attack dogs can keep on sliming Cindy Sheehan. The president can keep trying to ration the photos of flag-draped caskets. But this White House no longer has any more control over the insurgency at home than it does over the one in Iraq.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/21/opinion/21rich.html?pagewanted=2&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1124605053-F3Ejli0hQDW+uMmlwmX1YQ

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 21, 2005 2:26 AM

When will She Hen come back to the sixties retreds to protest military who volunteered not drafted notice not drafted sixies retreds!!

Posted by: sith101 at August 21, 2005 2:28 AM

The day when fat liberal has been comedians try change my veiws about the liberal democrat party will be a great day LOL!! I want to see a fat liberial comedian protest against illegals never happen LOL!!

Posted by: sith101 at August 21, 2005 2:32 AM

It seems to me, quantively speaking, that Sith101
is a very cheery fellow. However, given his lack
of mental status, it is probably the mirth of
ignorance.

Posted by: Dr.MumboJumbo at August 21, 2005 2:34 AM

You have no LOLretort, SITH101?

None? Very well. How does that make you peel?

Posted by: Dr.MumboJumbo at August 21, 2005 2:38 AM

LOL! sith101, LOL!

Posted by: ÇhûþþŸ ßûþþã™ at August 21, 2005 2:39 AM

LOL notice Air America has become more of sport station in Ohio then anything worth listening to LOL!! I love listning to the Reds notice reds still good on Air America can I get some Indians games on Air America LOL!! Still waiting for Air Amercrap debate with savage just dreaming. SAVAGE RULES book liberialism is a mental disorder can I puke on libs again PUKE!!

Posted by: sith101 at August 21, 2005 2:39 AM

The progress with Sunshine Jim's art project is slow and steady.

yesterday we had it up to 150, metaphoricly speaking, today we are putting in seat belts and breaks.

or something along that line...

Posted by: ÇhûþþŸ ßûþþã™ at August 21, 2005 2:43 AM

SAVAGE RULES Liberalism is a mental disorder LOL!!

Posted by: sith101 at August 21, 2005 2:44 AM

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 21, 2005 2:44 AM

The progress with Sunshine Jim's art project is slow and steady.

yesterday we had it up to 150, metaphoricly speaking, today we are putting in seat belts and breaks.

or something along that line...

Posted by: ÇhûþþŸ ßûþþã™ at August 21, 2005 2:46 AM

I love that word fascist.

It's so like...non-Nazi.

- -

Mainstream news media suffer collateral damage from Iraq war

By Ron Hutcheson, Knight Ridder Newspapers
Fri Aug 19, 3:47 PM ET

WASHINGTON - As the battle for Iraq's future plays out half a world away, the American news media are caught in the crossfire at home.

War supporters accuse journalists of undercutting the troops by highlighting problems and ignoring progress in Iraq. War opponents also are unhappy. They say the media failed to question the need for war and sanitize the conflict by refusing to show gruesome scenes of carnage.

Military mom Cindy Sheehan, who got extensive media coverage for her anti-war protest outside President Bush's Texas ranch this month, voiced the view from the left in a conference call with supporters Aug. 10.

"Thank God for the Internet or we wouldn't know anything and we would already be a fascist state," she said. "The mainstream media is a propaganda tool for the government."

Posted by: -B at August 21, 2005 2:50 AM

War opponents also are unhappy. They say the media failed to question the need for war and sanitize the conflict by refusing to show gruesome scenes of carnage.

- -

I guess that's one way to put it.

What's Colin Powell been saying lately?

The Security Council speech was the worse speech I ever gave...or some shit like that. He almost sounds guilty.

Posted by: -B at August 21, 2005 2:55 AM

Its been interesting. we really have a bit of a learning curve thing, not a learning curve, but a creative curve if you will. Its a constant battle to stay ahead of the unforseen.

yesterday we popped the mold and when we went to reseal it, we found the mold was a little less ridgid than we'd expected.

so we had to be adaptable and find a solution, which appears to be working out great.

Posted by: ÇhûþþŸ ßûþþã™ at August 21, 2005 2:55 AM

SAVAGE RULES Liberalism is a mental disorder LOL!!

Posted by: sith101 at August 21, 2005 02:44 AM

anyone else see the irony?

Posted by: ÇhûþþŸ ßûþþã™ at August 21, 2005 2:57 AM

Sad.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 21, 2005 3:00 AM

Sunshine is asleep in his chair,

we planned on having a quick break, but it looks like I should go back to the shop and lock up.

SJ put in a really long day. Sure, we went to the car show, but we started the project about 4 and we went straight through till 111:30

it still adds up to a long day

Posted by: ÇhûþþŸ ßûþþã™ at August 21, 2005 3:01 AM

I just got done watching White Noise with Michael Keaton.

Posted by: -B at August 21, 2005 3:01 AM

take it easy on the poor deficit sith. He had a terrible shock today. He saw a brown person. They've had to medicate him. All he can do ig giggle and babble, babble and giggle. And occasionally puke.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 21, 2005 3:06 AM

I just finished watching Sin City.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 21, 2005 3:07 AM

Sith, why have you decided that it's the Majority Report blog's problem that you hate brown people?

I'm sure there are some real live liberals near where you live that you could go babble and giggle at. Or maybe you tried that, and they kicked the shit out of you.

Oh, that must be it.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 21, 2005 3:14 AM

SAVAGE RULES Liberalism is a mental disorder LOL!!

Posted by: sith101 at August 21, 2005 02:44 AM

When you say Liberal aren't you using it as a code word?

Don't you really mean Jew...

Posted by: Isadore Feinstein at August 21, 2005 3:15 AM

I'm not sure what those creatures were.

The movie itself is pretty good. It talks about clairvoyance.

I noticed however that a person takes a four story drop, lands on her back, then heals fast enough to get in a wheelchair a couple of days later. Let alone the fact...the character is dead.

So the CGI monsters.

I'm not sure what particular spirit/monster that is. I struggled over this "electronic" with The Ring too. You would say ghosts, but I don't think so.

I liked the allusions to Edison...and light...and electricity.

Sound was superb. Nicely acted. Just again...the Director...er. I'm not sure why this is the "new" interpretation of horror.

Like The Curse...earlier tonight.

For instance, it seems convenient to give humans superhuman strength in human form.

The werewolf isn't strong until it's a werewolf.

Those kind of action scenes...gratuitiously added. It's not in Wes Craven's nature, to necessarily get away from the spastic jump out of the screen type slasher flix. But subtly a low budget film can be pretty damn spooky.

White Noise got a little caught up in it's own twist...and could have been another Poltergeist.

It was scary, just slightly too complicated...and unobservant to the obvious at times. This is what happens when you don't re-shoot after the first cut. Or filling in the plot with...well...how can I say this...filler.

Posted by: -B at August 21, 2005 3:17 AM

Lambert, Hendricks & Ross

Twisted

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 21, 2005 3:17 AM

After a perilous journey by ship... you undertake an arduous climb, within a group, riding on donkey back. The journey involves a painstaking five mile mountain trek.. Eventually you come into a place of great beauty. A sacred grove of pine trees marks the boundary...a serpent is climbing up a tree.. it guards the entrance to this sacred place. Harmless snakes climb everywhere. After dismounting you walk towards a pool of clear blue water... there are figures standing nearby. One explains that it is prescribed that you will bathe to free your soul from the contamination of the modern world... It is said that this bath will enable you to dream without restriction and that the dream will restore your creativity. After removing your clothing you slide into the warm water, luxuriating in it. Purified you put on soft robes. Freshly robed you are ready to enter the Epidaurian Tholos...said to be one of the most beautiful round buildings in the whole of Greece. The mythical musician Thaletas is playing on the flute. At the altar you pay homage to Asklepios, leaving a sacrifice on the altar. A woman leads you through a doorway, down winding stairs, to a labyrinthine basement where prayers are being said. There is a stream of water. You can hear it trickling over stones. You cup your hands, reach into the waters and drink. A sleeping draught has been administered. You lie on the floor. As you slip into the world of sleep a voice speaks to you, asking what you seek... what you are prepared to relinquish.

Posted by: Lil at August 21, 2005 3:29 AM

Begin writing. Do not worry about grammar or spelling. Just write for twenty minutes about your journey. Carefully record your time within the ancient Tholos.

Do not stop to think. Just write about where you are and what happens.

Posted by: Lil at August 21, 2005 3:31 AM

Don't y'all sit around and go...what the fuck, sometimes?

I mean. Am I thinking too much?

It must be a pain in the ass to make a movie...but...

When you're looking at it...and it just plain defies science...or logic.

Don't you go.

I'm sorta having trouble being interested in this film.

Posted by: -B at August 21, 2005 3:35 AM

My learning curve...is the illogic of others.

After that it's just practise, learn by error, or just plain...fuckin' solving the trick.

Posted by: -B at August 21, 2005 3:41 AM

jim has arisen. I have to go to the garage and check something. probably won't get back tonight

Posted by: ÇhûþþŸ ßûþþã™ at August 21, 2005 3:43 AM

Posted by: Chris at August 21, 2005 3:43 AM

Posted by: Elf Matrix at August 21, 2005 4:05 AM

Posted by: Elf Matrix at August 21, 2005 4:08 AM

http://memory.loc.gov/afc/afcrael/392/3925b2.mp3

Adios, Maria (Goodbye, Mary), by Chavez, Adolfo, 8/4/1940

Posted by: Phil at August 21, 2005 4:18 AM

http://memory.loc.gov/award/iencurt/cp08/cp08016r.jpg

War chief - Nez Perce, by Edward Curtis

Posted by: Jennifer at August 21, 2005 4:20 AM

Well .... Wooooo Hooooo SAM!!!! Looks like one exception in Political Talk Radio here in the Twin Cities (those being Minneapolis - Saint Paul) is AIR AMERICA!!!!!

Twin Cities listeners have been tuning out political talk radio.... Locally, conservative-talk icon Rush Limbaugh's show has lost 43 percent of its audience among 25- to 54-year-olds in the past year. Sean Hannity's show is down a whopping 63 percent. The shift is serious enough that "we're weighing where these shows fit for us in the future," according to Todd Fisher, general manager at KSTP (1500 AM), which carries both syndicated programs.

From further down in the article ..."The ratings shift hasn't affected partisan radio stations such as WWTC (1280 AM), known as the Patriot, or KTNF (950 AM), home to Air America programming, including Al Franken's weekday show. Both have maintained relatively stable, if small, audience shares of about 1 to 1.5 percent."

I will take small and stable audiences over having my station manager thinking maybe it's time to pull the plug on me any day!! So ... screw what the asshat trolls say .. Air America seems to be fairing great in the Twin Cities!!! Slow and stead wins the race right??

Posted by: Wil .. Big Fan of Tortoises!! at August 21, 2005 4:23 AM

Posted by: Wil at August 21, 2005 4:33 AM

Story about Michael Benson ... his Mom Norma is one of the Mom's in the Star-Tribune article above. Thought maybe someone might want to know about one of the sons??

Posted by: Wil at August 21, 2005 4:40 AM

Posted by: Karl at August 21, 2005 4:41 AM