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Comments
Take the test...are you a mindslave or a freethinker?
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 9:00 PM
Let's face it folks, lawsuits cost money.
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So keep the donations coming AAR fans! Send your money NOW to WIN in '06!
Posted by: Dough For Dems! at August 30, 2005 9:01 PM
If 2003 UB313 is a 10th planet, astrologers say it may have a profound influence over people's lives, and thus on the forecasts astrologers make. But its potency cannot be discerned until perhaps several years after the astronomical debate is settled, when astronomers have had time to chart its orbit. So astrologers are not inclined to do anything hasty.
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 30, 2005 9:03 PM
Ha!
It's nice to see they're covering the Kentucky fiasco with Gov. Ernie Fletcher.
If anyone missed is, the twist of the story is the Governor appointing Republicans, and NeoCon allies to positions within the state government. For example: Fletcher named one of his major campaign fund-raisers (Tom Handy) to the Executive Branch Ethics Commission, giving himself a majority on a board investigating allegations of Republican political influence in his administration's merit-system hiring.
This needs all the press it can get. We already have one state Rep. calling for impeachment.
-Chuck
Posted by: Chuck at August 30, 2005 9:04 PM
Gas prices in Watertown, New York went from 2.70 per gal to 3.19 per gal today.
Posted by: RWiley at August 30, 2005 9:05 PM
>>If we're going to WIN in '06,
There is no 'we'. I, at least, do not consider myself a Democrat. I vote for some Dems, and our state is fortunate to be a represented by Russ Feingold, Tammy Baldwin, Gwen Moore, and David Obey (and unfortunate to be represented by Herb Kohl and Ron Kind (both Democrats)), but there are a lot I wouldn't vote for, no matter what they call themselves.
Please, don't assume that 'we' all ascribe to the same values or philosophy.
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 30, 2005 9:05 PM
Like I said Sam.
I really don't have much to say.
It comes to me whenever.
It really is a matter of Wrath.
Punishment.
I'm completely indifferent to them.
The south claims they are the bible belt.
They are now either dead or starving/diseased.
This is your God, when he doesn't listen to any prayer except mine.
And I think you deserve it, so that's what gets written.
Did you think it would be different from me?
After all...
The Jews did crucify Jesus at His request...practically. I mean...sure...I wasn't there or anything.
I don't think that's God's plan for the second coming.
Do you want re-build your temple?
Posted by: -B at August 30, 2005 9:05 PM
Anti-War Group Suspects it May be Victim of 'Infiltrators'
The anti-war group Code Pink, slammed by conservatives and some wounded veterans for co-sponsoring recent protests in front of the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., now suggests that the most inflammatory signs held up at the protests might have been the work of "infiltrators whose aim [was] to disrupt the vigil."
This was a common trick by the FBI's COINTELPRO operations during the Vietnam war, to plant informants at peace marches with signs that would anger the TV viewers against the peace movement. When that failed to produce the desired result, the FBI had their informants stage a mass peace march at Disneyland in Anaheim, then used agents provocateurs to turn it into a riot that the press used to discredit the peace movement.
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 9:06 PM
If 2003 UB313 is a 10th planet, astrologers say it may have a profound influence over people's lives, and thus on the forecasts astrologers make. But its potency cannot be discerned until perhaps several years after the astronomical debate is settled, when astronomers have had time to chart its orbit. So astrologers are not inclined to do anything hasty.
What the hell is going on in here? You got that -B scarry prophet guy, and this stuff. If we're not going to talk about politics, I'm going to start posting about how bad Alkaline Trio sounded on the re-run of Conan I caught today.
Posted by: hrvat64 at August 30, 2005 9:07 PM
No woman will be a Presidential nominee for President in 2008.
It will be a man.
It will be a man from the north...and it won't be Massachusetts.
Posted by: -B at August 30, 2005 9:07 PM
I just lost my stream...
Peaches, dudes.
Posted by: Rusty
at August 30, 2005 9:08 PM
I want Justice.
Or this will continue...
Posted by: -B at August 30, 2005 9:09 PM
When a person knows this, understands this and accepts this for what it is, it is not news.
Posted by: Crank Bait at August 30, 2005 09:01 PM
accepts this for what it is??? What is it other than the lowest type of theft there is. It wouldn't hurt my feelings a bit to see them shot on the spot.
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 30, 2005 9:09 PM
....
SAM.
It was Bullshit. It was a pure PR spin.
There is not enough people to do EVERYTHING. (Even the Red Cross.....is deploying the BIGGEST volunteer effort in history!!!)
It is TOTAL bull that the LA national guard has enough man power.
Posted by: wanda at August 30, 2005 9:10 PM
He got it right finally
Posted by: painter
at August 30, 2005 9:10 PM
In order for me to help the U.S.
The U.S. must help itself.
Stop following the man.
Or meet your End of Days in a second death.
Posted by: -B at August 30, 2005 9:11 PM
Someone asked for links to the story, too tough to do justice in just a segment, so here you are:
Enjoy!
Part One:
Part Two:
Timeline:
http://rawstory.com/robertsintel.htm
Posted by: Larisa Alexandrovna at August 30, 2005 9:11 PM
PRODUCER!
direct link to the Larisa Alexandrovna article, please
: ) *************************************************
Here it is. Sorry it wasn't up earlier! It's also in the hour two post now.
Posted by: not sam at August 30, 2005 9:12 PM
you're keeping in step
in the line
got your chin held high and you feel just fine
'cause you do what you're told
but inside your heart it is black it is hollow
and it's cold
just how deep do you believe?
will you bite the hand that feeds?
will you chew until it bleeds?
can you get up off your knees?
are you brave enough to see?
do you wanna change it?
what if this all crusade's a charade
and behind it all there's a price to be paid
for the blood which we dine
justified in the name of the holy and the divine
just how deep do you believe?
will you bite the hand that feeds?
Posted by: -B at August 30, 2005 9:13 PM
Posted by: Larisa Alexandrovna at August 30, 2005 09:11 PM
hey thanks.
Posted by: wanda at August 30, 2005 9:13 PM
Two Cuyahoga County election workers indicted in presidential recount
CLEVELAND -- Two workers at the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections have been charged with taking illegal short cuts in our local recount of last year’s presidential election.
A libertarian candidate and one from the Green party made the original accusations, and today a grand jury agreed.
Ballot supervisors Rosey Greer and Kathleen Dreamer each face six felonies.
The shortcuts wouldn’t have changed the outcome of the election, but were not the way the recount should have been handled.
Posted by: Kevin at August 30, 2005 9:13 PM
>>What the hell is going on in here? You got that -B scarry prophet guy, and this stuff. If we're not going to talk about politics, I'm going to start posting about how bad Alkaline Trio sounded on the re-run of Conan I caught today.
No, I think the genius is trying to draw an analogy between this '10th planet' and global warming. However, another planet is not going to cause the demise of most of the life on the planet. Even if you weren't 100% sure that global warming was as significant as it really is, why would you take the chance?
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 30, 2005 9:13 PM
Please, don't assume that 'we' all ascribe to the same values or philosophy.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:05 PM
Ah, four more (neo-con) years, eh?
it'd be nice to have enough votes to win, but...oh, well. the democrat wasn't absolutely perfect...maybe vote for nader?
deja vu?
Posted by: ۞ĈħůБъÿ٭ßΰБъǻ ۞ at August 30, 2005 9:13 PM
You people better get used to Republicans being in the majority. It may be around for a while.
More an more conservatives on campus.
But let's face it, many liberal students have lived a sheltered life while conservative students were publicly damned. With an increasingly strong conservative presence on campus, liberals can no longer get away with putting down conservatives. Indeed, they can learn from them.
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 30, 2005 9:14 PM
many thanks larisa & not sam
it's a very important story
Posted by: air-ono at August 30, 2005 9:14 PM
But wouldn't you know, the biggest dittohead on the block, Rush Limbaugh, is calling the storm Hurricane Katrina vanden Heuvel and warning that the left is going to use this tragedy against the right. Jonah Goldberg, who has never seen a bad joke bandwagon he could resist jumping on with both feet, blogged, and I quote, "It would be pretty cool if Fox played to caricature and repeatedly referred to the hurricane as Katrina vanden Heuvel." Not satisfied, he went on to imagine the headlines, "The destruction from Katrina vanden Heuvel is expected to be massive...The poor and disabled are particularly likely to suffer from the effects of Katrina vanden Heuvel."
What can one say to such heartlessness? Americans are dying, and this is their idea of respect for the dead. At least Limbaugh has the excuse that drug abuse tends to stunt emotional development. What Jonah's problem is nobody has yet discovered.
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 9:15 PM
Please Sam don't play that hump's bloviations! I hope that boil on his fat ass explodes!
Posted by: think i'm gonna hurl at August 30, 2005 9:16 PM
The sad, sad truth is if this was not a natural disaster, but another attack on America it shows you (outside of NY) how unprepared America is for a disaster.This scares me more than anything.$300 Billion used to blow up a country and America had no plan to help us when the s*it hits the fan. Accept it....we are on our own if our city gets attacked....sleep well tonight, I won't
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 30, 2005 9:16 PM
>>I just lost my stream...
Another victim of Benign Prostatic Hypertrophy.
Posted by: shifty
at August 30, 2005 9:16 PM
Tax cut mean no funds for things like natural disaster preparedness.
Tax cuts for the rich or The Piss on the Poor Theory of economics doesn't work because little gets to those who need it the most or services that are need the most to maintain infrastructures.
Posted by: Julian at August 30, 2005 9:17 PM
holy cow. gotta see this picture. (N.O. hyatt regency)
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/08/30/as-katrina-struck-bush-vacationed/
Posted by: wanda at August 30, 2005 9:17 PM
Mr. Crowley!
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 30, 2005 9:17 PM
>>More an more conservatives on campus.
>>But let's face it, many liberal students have lived a sheltered life while conservative students were publicly damned.
Why the hell aren't these `conservatives' fighting W's wars?
Posted by: ۞ĈħůБъÿ٭ßΰБъǻ ۞ at August 30, 2005 9:17 PM
But why should bush excert any energy into a disaster releif when he is on a vacation. And you know taking a vacation is hard work when you are avoiding cindy
Posted by: painter
at August 30, 2005 9:18 PM
Just one question for opponents of the war:
Do you believe we are fighting evil people in Iraq?
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 30, 2005 9:18 PM
One possible reason why funding was cut for N.O. levee enhancements is that by doing so, Bush would have to admit that the entire SouthEastern seaboard is vulnerable to hurrican damage.
And that would allow the easy association of Global Warming with future natural disasters. Bush cannot now say that Global Warming puts the entire SouthEastern seaboard at risk.
If you think N.O. is bad -- wait until the same kind of storm hits Miami.
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 30, 2005 9:19 PM
deja vu?
Posted by: ۞ĈħůБъÿ٭ßΰБъǻ ۞ at August 30, 2005 09:13 PM
I agree! I doesn't matter what the candidate does or doesn't stand for, just so long as there is a 'D' at the end of his/her name. We have to WIN no matter what!
Posted by: Dough For Dems! at August 30, 2005 9:19 PM
Proof, Bush tax cut cost human lifes
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/08/29/slashed-hurricane/
Yesterday, President Bush said “I want to thank all the folks at the federal level and the state level and the local level who have taken this storm seriously.” He’s not one of them. Bush has sought to slash funds that would help New Orleans prepare for a major hurricane. From the 6/6/05 New Orleans CityBusiness:
In fiscal year 2006, the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is bracing for a record $71.2 million reduction in federal funding…The cuts mean major hurricane and flood protection projects will not be awarded to local engineering firms. Also, a study to determine ways to protect the region from a Category 5 hurricane has been shelved for now.
Landrieu said the Bush administration is not making Corps of Engineers funding a priority. “I think it’s extremely shortsighted,” Landrieu said. “When the Corps of Engineers’ budget is cut, Louisiana bleeds. These projects are literally life-and-death projects to the people of south Louisiana.”
Posted by: wanda at August 30, 2005 9:19 PM
Why the hell aren't these `conservatives' fighting W's wars?
Posted by: ۞ĈħůБъÿ٭ßΰБъǻ ۞ at August 30, 2005 09:17 PM
They are fighting the CULTURE wars for our guys while they are busy dying in Iraq
Posted by: painter
at August 30, 2005 9:20 PM
Voice of the White House August 28, 2005
Also being planned is a January, 2006, attack on Syria. This is not because Syria threatens the United States (to the contrary, seeing the destruction and slaughter of civilians the US troops are wreaking daily in their neighbor, they want nothing to do with us. The idea is that Kurdish oil from northern Iraq is wanted to ship, via a pipeline across Syria, to a shipping port in Haifa, Israel. At one stroke, Israel will gain access to cash-rich oil and get rid of a military and political danger on its eastern flanks. They hope the U.S. will do al the dirty work…and especially to suffert he casualties. They are weighing this now at the highest levels.
Question: Would the American people put up with another disastrous war? The answer is probably not but Israeli pressure in Washington is awesome.
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 9:20 PM
accepts this for what it is??? What is it other than the lowest type of theft there is. It wouldn't hurt my feelings a bit to see them shot on the spot.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:09 PM
---------------------------------------------
Do you prefer to be naive?
Read some history: Doesn't matter where or when or who. Looting is what people do.
I did not loot when I had the opportunity. Apparently, you would not loot if you had the opportunity.
Nonetheless, people loot when they have the opportunity. Always. Anywhere. Every race, creed and color.
Other (non-human) animals do it too.
Posted by: Crank Bait at August 30, 2005 9:20 PM
evil people in Iraq?
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:18 PM
what kind of moron distills a complex situation down to good and evil?
Posted by: ۞ĈħůБъÿ٭ßΰБъǻ ۞ at August 30, 2005 9:20 PM
I wonder how much of Bush's dismissal of this disaster has to do with his theory that New Orleans is Gamorah (or however you spell it)?
Maybe -B could ask Enoch or Elijiah if I spelled it right?
Posted by: hrvat64 at August 30, 2005 9:21 PM
Do you believe we are fighting evil people in Iraq?
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:18 PM
-------------
No...I think the Iraqi freedom fighters are fighting to liberate their country from US
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 30, 2005 9:21 PM
Why the hell aren't these `conservatives' fighting W's wars?
Posted by: ۞ĈħůБъÿ٭ßΰБъǻ ۞ at August 30, 2005 09:17 PM
You do understand there are more Republican voters in the military than Democrat, don't you?
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 30, 2005 9:21 PM
States argue that federal laws -- rooted in Constitutional clauses allowing states to maintain militias -- require a governor's consent for deactivations, moves or other substantial changes to National Guard units.
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 30, 2005 9:22 PM
Why is the administration so unconcerned with the destruction of New Orleans?
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 30, 2005 9:22 PM
This is just the beginning of storm season...
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 9:22 PM
Please, don't assume that 'we' all ascribe to the same values or philosophy.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:05 PM
Hey, look, I'd like to vote for a liberal like Hillary or Dean. But if the party runs Biden or Lieberman, so be it! As long as they're a democrat, I'm going to vote for them! We're going to WIN in '06!
Posted by: Dough For Dems! at August 30, 2005 9:22 PM
You do understand there are more Republican voters in the military than Democrat, don't you?
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:21 PM
even if that is true (which it aint), why aren't those student mentioned in the globe article willing to go and fight W's war?
Posted by: ۞ĈħůБъÿ٭ßΰБъǻ ۞ at August 30, 2005 9:23 PM
About two hours ago, the CBS website for NO posted on the blog set up to give updates on the hurricance, says they have given up trying to fix the breach in levee. Water will continue to rise. http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html
Posted by: moondawg at August 30, 2005 9:24 PM
You people are soooo predictable.
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 30, 2005 9:25 PM
Freepers are the stupidest among us, this is from a thread on Free Republic:
Katrina Costly, but Not As Big As Expected
To: Cicero
"But the storm actually turned out to be much less powerful than predicted."
So true.
A big one, YES. The biggest ever, No Way.
Life should go back to normal in a matter of 2-3 weeks.
3 posted on 08/30/2005 4:19:09 PM PDT by mjtobias (There is nothing new under the sun.)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1473710/posts#comment?q=1
Posted by: Kevin at August 30, 2005 9:25 PM
Mean ol' levee, taught me to weep & moan/
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 30, 2005 9:25 PM
..
Good question Sam.
time to start scanning the list. What programs are being neglected.
Posted by: wanda at August 30, 2005 9:25 PM
War-Weary Nation is Finally Realizing that the Emperor Has No Clothes
Because he is stubborn, close-minded, egocentric and arrogant, the president sticks with policies that, rather than make people feel more aligned, have defaced the body politic with wide, indelible lines -- in wealth, health, education, justice, religion and, most especially, ideology. In all of those categories, the divide is filled with animus.
Bush is hardly the only American with such dispositional flaws -- his cabinet roster alone proves that -- but no one else can be held responsible for picking an interminable war that is multiplying enemies, broadening the danger of terrorism, killing and maiming military and innocents alike and draining the public treasury.
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 9:25 PM
Sammy:
There is an "R" in fRustration... it's NOT FUSTRATION... although listening to you abuse the English language IS frustrating...
x~albabe
Posted by: albabe at August 30, 2005 9:26 PM
You do understand there are more Republican voters in the military than Democrat, don't you?
That's because uneducated high school kids get brainwahsed by their C.O.'s to think as a collective (not really a bad thing for an army to fight effectively).
Posted by: hrvat64 at August 30, 2005 9:26 PM
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:25 PM
Stop using the US flag to wipe up after your mastrabation.
please?
Posted by: ۞ĈħůБъÿ٭ßΰБъǻ ۞ at August 30, 2005 9:26 PM
You do understand there are more Republican voters in the military than Democrat, don't you?
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:21 PM
even if that is true (which it aint),
Posted by: ۞ĈħůБъÿ٭ßΰБъǻ ۞ at August 30, 2005 09:23 PM
Wow... I can see you didn't pay attention to the election results and the survey by Army Times.
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 30, 2005 9:27 PM
CNN has breaking news that chaos is breaking out in New Orleans: "looting, car jackings, shootings"
Posted by: moondawg at August 30, 2005 9:27 PM
The most depressing thought about all of the topics covered here tonight is: If every one of us carried a sign at the entrances of our local Town Halls just a few hours every saturday....we'd see our ranks begin to swell. Just look at Cindy Sheehan.
If we each decide to lead...others really will follow.
This Saturday, we'll be holding a small demonstration in the most populated portion of our downtown area here in Louisville calling for the impeachment of our unethical, NeoCon Governor, Ernie Fletcher.
What will the rest of us be doing?
Getting off of ones ass is the only way to effect change.
-Chuck
Posted by: Chuck at August 30, 2005 9:27 PM
>>it'd be nice to have enough votes to win, but...oh, well. the democrat wasn't absolutely perfect...maybe vote for nader?
I wouldn't worry. The Dems will continue their recent string of successes. I suppose you'll find some way to blame the '02 loss of Congress and the '04 Kerry fiasco on Nader as well. What the hell, it's better than accepting that the Democrats stand for NOTHING. What you're suggesting is a slow versus rapid slip to the Right. Clinton was no Liberal. As one Republican said: "Bill Clinton was the greatest Republican President of the 20th century." If we continue to vote for these chameleons, how will we ever change the direction of this country? I guarantee you that even if you elect your Great White Hope, and take back Congress, they will not alter ANY of the Shrub's passed legislation.
Further, the recent Repugnincan 'defections' from the party line are a ploy to portray some of these folks as 'moderates'. The Repugs are going to maintain control for quite a while, unless we have a repeat of what altered the very similar situation at the beginning of the 20th century, The Great Depression.
Posted by: shifty
at August 30, 2005 9:27 PM
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:25 PM
http://tinyscream.blogspot.com
Two wrongs don't make a right they just make two wrongs.
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 9:29 PM
survey by Army Times.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:27 PM
Why should their exit poll be more accurate than those in Ohio and Florida?
Posted by: ۞ĈħůБъÿ٭ßΰБъǻ ۞ at August 30, 2005 9:29 PM
It's high time someone told you outright that you must be suffering from holy water on the brain, if you think we can't see you for what you are: a klavern of counterfeit prophets waxing psychotic for other cretinous hypocrites. Also, you can cease playing the persecuted party, whenever someone stands up to you, because we're no longer buying that ploy. Remember, you're the ones who threw the first epitaphic stones. It was you who labeled us a mob of Hell-bound, Satan-pimping sodomists . . . Although—as much fun as that sounds—I must ask you, where do you get the unmitigated gall to make such insane claims? When did the golden light of the sun abandon its position in the eastern horizon and begin rising, each morning, from out of your silly, neo-Iron Age asses?
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 9:30 PM
The Delaware River flooded neighborhoods along the river from Trenton all the way down to Lambertville in New Jersey and Morrisville and Yardley on the Pennsylvania side earlier this year and the National Guard that normal helps in clean up on the NJ side I know was not there, but in Iraq. The funding was not there and some of the equipmen to deal with it were not there. A little was reported about the lack of funding, but most about the damage.
Posted by: Julian at August 30, 2005 9:31 PM
Watch what happens if there is an earthquake in San Fran or Las Vegas. After they chopper Bill Bennet out they'll leave those "sinful" cities to rot just like they have New Orleans.
Posted by: hrvat64 at August 30, 2005 9:32 PM
If you cannot answer it, or avoid answering it, or answer "no," we know enough about your moral compass to know that further dialogue is unnecessary. In fact, dialogue is impossible. Our understanding of good and evil is so different from yours, there is simply nothing to discuss.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:25 PM
___________________________
Then perhaps I should just ban you so you can continue your ignorance in peace.....schmuck
Posted by: SEDER at August 30, 2005 9:32 PM
The Delaware River flooded neighborhoods along the river from Trenton all the way down to Lambertville in New Jersey and Morrisville and Yardley on the Pennsylvania side earlier this year and the National Guard that normal helps in clean up on the NJ side I know was not there, but in Iraq. The funding was not there and some of the equipment to deal with it were not there. A little was reported about the lack of funding, but most about the damage.
Posted by: Julian at August 30, 2005 9:32 PM
I wouln't say dems stand for nothing but I do agree that there are a bunch of chameleons in the party and that the repukes are thinking about reselection and are scrambling to make themselves look like they haven't gone along all the way with bush
Posted by: painter
at August 30, 2005 9:33 PM
Posted by: shifty [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 30, 2005 09:27 PM
It was Nader's fault! That's why we kept him off the ballot in '04. Now we need to keep the Greens off the ballot too! Besides, after we're elected then maybe in '10 or '12 we can get liberal people elected or maybe '16 but until then we need to vote Democrat without question! Don't make waves! We'll WIN '06!
Posted by: Dough For Dems! at August 30, 2005 9:33 PM
George W. Bush coughed up his latest rationale for continuing the Iraq war - I think this is the fourth or fifth one of these to this point - by saying that because so many American soldiers have been killed, we have to keep sending American soldiers to get killed as a means of honoring the American soldiers who have been killed.
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 9:33 PM
.
.
-the levee (budget cuts, tax cut)
-clean up effort. (national guard is somewhere else)
-clean up effort (man power diverted to Iraq)
-energy supply (facilities, price, middle east instability)
-Hurricane (global warming, no effort to curb, increasing long term problem)
Posted by: wanda at August 30, 2005 9:33 PM
Why should their exit poll be more accurate than those in Ohio and Florida?
Posted by: ۞ĈħůБъÿ٭ßΰБъǻ ۞ at August 30, 2005 09:29 PM
Have you ever heard of Google... know how to use it? Maybe you don't want to see the results it will turn up for you.
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 30, 2005 9:34 PM
Posted by: Dough For Dems! at August 30, 2005 09:33 PM
fake
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 9:34 PM
Then perhaps I should just ban you so you can continue your ignorance in peace.....schmuck
Posted by: SEDER at August 30, 2005 09:32 PM
It must be tempting sometimes...
Posted by: ۞ĈħůБъÿ٭ßΰБъǻ ۞ at August 30, 2005 9:34 PM
Hey, look, I'd like to vote for a liberal like Hillary or Dean. But if the party runs Biden or Lieberman, so be it! As long as they're a democrat, I'm going to vote for them! We're going to WIN in '06!
Posted by: Dough For Dems! at August 30, 2005 09:22 PM
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Another Republican operative alert! Nobody is as stupid as Dough For Dems pretends to be...
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 30, 2005 9:35 PM
Another Republican operative alert! Nobody is as stupid as Dough For Dems pretends to be...
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:35 PM
dipshit
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 9:36 PM
If you cannot answer it, or avoid answering it, or answer "no," we know enough about your moral compass to know that further dialogue is unnecessary. In fact, dialogue is impossible. Our understanding of good and evil is so different from yours, there is simply nothing to discuss.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:25 PM
___________________________ Then perhaps I should just ban you so you can continue your ignorance in peace.....schmuck
Posted by: SEDER at August 30, 2005 09:32 PM
I second that!
Posted by: Kevin at August 30, 2005 9:36 PM
Posted by: painter [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 30, 2005 09:33 PM
It doesn't matter what a candidate believes so long as there is a 'D' after his or her name. Who cares? Listen to ۞ĈħůБъÿ٭ßΰБъǻ ۞ and other right thinking Democrats on the blog! We'll WIN in '06!
Posted by: Dough For Dems! at August 30, 2005 9:37 PM
Why supporting the troops means you have to oppose the War in Iraq.
Extremist broadcasters such as Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, the mouthpieces of the Bush Junta, have embarked upon a smear campaign that revolves around one simple argument, namely that you cannot support the troops and be anti-war at the same time. The notion that all anti-war supporters are also by association of belief, anti-military, is at first, a logical argument, however, upon closer examination, like most propoganda built on lies, it tends to fall apart very quickly.
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 9:37 PM
..
Hey....should call those KY democrats to see what they gonna do about it? (call them up. they may have soemthign to say to AAR)
Posted by: wanda at August 30, 2005 9:38 PM
If you cannot answer it, or avoid answering it, or answer "no," we know enough about your moral compass to know that further dialogue is unnecessary. In fact, dialogue is impossible. Our understanding of good and evil is so different from yours, there is simply nothing to discuss.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:25 PM
___________________________ Then perhaps I should just ban you so you can continue your ignorance in peace.....schmuck
Posted by: SEDER at August 30, 2005 09:32 PM
Can I sharpen that blade for ya, Sammer?
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 30, 2005 9:38 PM
Republican = Criminal
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 9:39 PM
Republican politicians go into politics because they are looking to increase business profits. Profit-centered politicians find it very easy to make the step to corruption.
Posted by: hrvat64 at August 30, 2005 9:39 PM
blame the privatization reactionary dweebs
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 30, 2005 9:39 PM
....should call those KY democrats to see what they gonna do about it? (call them up. they may have soemthign to say to AAR)
Posted by: wanda at August 30, 2005 09:38 PM
Good Idea
Posted by: Kevin at August 30, 2005 9:39 PM
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:35 PM
dipshit
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 09:36 PM
asshole
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 9:39 PM
http://www.colorado.edu/hazards/o/nov04/nov04c.html
What if Ivan Had Hit New Orleans?
New Orleans was spared, this time, but had it not been, Hurricane Ivan would have:
* Pushed a 17-foot storm surge into Lake Pontchartrain;
* Caused the levees between the lake and the city to overtop and fill the city “bowl” with water from lake levee to river levee, in some places as deep as 20 feet;
* Flooded the north shore suburbs of Lake Pontchartrain with waters pushing as much as seven miles inland; and
* Inundated inhabited areas south of the Mississippi River.
Up to 80 percent of the structures in these flooded areas would have been severely damaged from wind and water. The potential for such extensive flooding and the resulting damage is the result of a levee system that is unable to keep up with the increasing flood threats from a rapidly eroding coastline and thus unable to protect the ever-subsiding landscape.
Evacuation Challenges
Researchers have estimated that prior to a “big one,” approximately 700,000 residents of the greater New Orleans area (out of 1.2 million) would evacuate. In the case of Hurricane Ivan, officials estimate that up to 600,000 evacuated from metropolitan New Orleans between daybreak on Monday, September 13 and noon on Wednesday, September 15, when the storm turned and major roads finally started to clear.
To aid in the evacuation, transportation officials instituted contraflow evacuation for the first time in the area’s history whereby both lanes of a 12-mile stretch of Interstate 10 were used to facilitate the significantly increased outbound flow of traffic toward the northwest and Baton Rouge. The distance of the contraflow was limited due to state police concerns about the need for staff to close the exits. And, although officials were initially pleased with the results, evacuees felt the short distance merely shifted the location of the major jams.
These feelings were justified by the amount of time it took residents to evacuate—up to 11 hours to go the distance usually traveled in less than 1.5. For m
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 30, 2005 9:40 PM
If you cannot answer it, or avoid answering it, or answer "no," we know enough about your moral compass to know that further dialogue is unnecessary. In fact, dialogue is impossible. Our understanding of good and evil is so different from yours, there is simply nothing to discuss.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:25 PM
Then perhaps I should just ban you so you can continue your ignorance in peace.....schmuck
Posted by: SEDER at August 30, 2005 09:32 PM
Tee heee......the wingnut are getting nervouse SAM!
You are the FIRST one to tie closely the 'budget cut vs. levee breaking' on national platform.
Posted by: wanda at August 30, 2005 9:40 PM
It doesn't matter what a candidate believes so long as there is a 'D' after his or her name. Who cares? Listen to ۞ĈħůБъÿ٭ßΰБъǻ ۞ and other right thinking Democrats on the blog! We'll WIN in '06!
Posted by: Dough For Dems! at August 30, 2005 09:37 PM
This is the strategy that allows more DINOS to be elected...
How many times have you seen a life long republican switch parties just to run in the primaries as a democrat?
See if they lose they've weakened the dem...and if they win it's really republican against republican...
No win situation...
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 9:41 PM
.
DeLay
Abramoff
Tom noe
Kentucky
San diego
,
collect them all.
Posted by: wanda at August 30, 2005 9:41 PM
This is the strategy that allows more DINOS to be elected...
How many times have you seen a life long republican switch parties just to run in the primaries as a democrat?
See if they lose they've weakened the dem...and if they win it's really republican against republican...
No win situation...
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 09:41 PM
Exactly!
Posted by: painter
at August 30, 2005 9:42 PM
asshole
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:39 PM
whiner
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 9:42 PM
fake
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 09:34 PM
Do you want the rethuglicans to win again? It's because of people like you that Kerry didn't win. If Rethuglicans get elected next year, it'll be because weak democrats like you.
Posted by: Dough For Dems! at August 30, 2005 9:43 PM
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 9:44 PM
>>It was Nader's fault! That's why we kept him off the ballot in '04. Now we need to keep the Greens off the ballot too! Besides, after we're elected then maybe in '10 or '12 we can get liberal people elected or maybe '16 but until then we need to vote Democrat without question! Don't make waves! We'll WIN '06!
Wait, you are actually trying to blame the string of failures on the part of the Dems on Nader! You have all the intellectual honesty of a Republican.
No, the Dems are dead. Stick a fork in their ass and flip them over, they're done. We must pursue other parties if Democracy is going to survive (or re-emerge).
Posted by: shifty
at August 30, 2005 9:44 PM
asshole
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:39 PM
whiner
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 09:42 PM
jerk
Posted by: Dough For Dems! at August 30, 2005 9:44 PM
Do you want the rethuglicans to win again? It's because of people like you that Kerry didn't win. If Rethuglicans get elected next year, it'll be because weak democrats like you.
Posted by: Dough For Dems! at August 30, 2005 09:43 PM
not even a good fake either.
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 9:45 PM
There is more to being a democrat than voting for them. Or even believing they are "your kind of guy(or gal)"
Posted by: painter
at August 30, 2005 9:45 PM
We are experiencing all the horrible problems of a of a 3rd world banana republic. God help us.
Posted by: Peace In at August 30, 2005 9:45 PM
asshole
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:39 PM
whiner
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 09:42 PM
jerk
Posted by: Dough For Dems! at August 30, 2005 09:44 PM
creep
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 9:45 PM
___________________________ Then perhaps I should just ban you so you can continue your ignorance in peace.....schmuck
Posted by: SEDER at August 30, 2005 09:32 PM
If you cannot accept, or do not like, input posted from news sources that do not support the Democrat causes, then that is what you'll have to do. I can only control those things which are within my control and accept those things which are not. Do what you must do, Sam.
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 30, 2005 9:46 PM
Do you want the rethuglicans to win again? It's because of people like you that Kerry didn't win. If Rethuglicans get elected next year, it'll be because weak democrats like you.
Posted by: Dough For Dems! at August 30, 2005 09:43 PM
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You are a FAKE! But clever at your game. I can't quite figure it out except that you are attempting to dumb down political opposition to Republicans by encoraging them to support LOOSERS!
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 30, 2005 9:46 PM
jerk
Posted by: Dough For Dems! at August 30, 2005 09:44 PM
busted
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 9:46 PM
.
Uh oh...is Kos moving to Montana next? lol
Posted by: wanda at August 30, 2005 9:47 PM
KERRY WON. IMPEACH THE CRIMINALS.
KERRY WON. IMPEACH THE CRIMINALS.
KERRY WON. IMPEACH THE CRIMINALS.
KERRY WON. IMPEACH THE CRIMINALS.
KERRY WON. IMPEACH THE CRIMINALS.
KERRY WON. IMPEACH THE CRIMINALS.
KERRY WON. IMPEACH THE CRIMINALS.
KERRY WON. IMPEACH THE CRIMINALS.
KERRY WON. IMPEACH THE CRIMINALS.
KERRY WON. IMPEACH THE CRIMINALS.
Posted by: #! at August 30, 2005 9:47 PM
Hmmm... lemme see...
Do we want an organic farmer as President?
Golly, tough one.
Uhhhhhhhhhh....
Ummmmmmmmm...
Oh, yeah, now I remember.
HELL YES!
OH, HELL YES!
Criminey.
One other thing: Fuck The DLC.
Posted by: Meta Fore
at August 30, 2005 9:48 PM
last night i read the article about ernie fletcher, that nobody posted
the reason why ernie "wants the door to close on the investigation of his admininistration's personnel practices" is because it "has taken too much time and attention from more important matters."
ok, so wot did this scumbag think about hounding clinton over a b.j., to find out if he's a hypocrite
i did a quick a google search, which turned up this:
The Dangerous Presidential Executive Order Under Clinton
[excerpt]
Presidential Executive Orders are necessary in times of crisis and have been used by all presidents as a way of cutting through the red tape and the tug of war which has become a part of congressional approval. However, in the wrong hands with less than honorable intentions, it can also be extremely dangerous. Some are saying President Clinton has been using this presidential privilege in a very suspicious and frightening way; a way which is laying the foundation in the not too distance future to bypass all other branches of government.
*
it's as funny as it's revolting
Posted by: air-ono at August 30, 2005 9:48 PM
NY Times Skews the News… Again
In a shameless repeat performance of the piece I analyzed earlier this year, the New York Times has gone for the jugular of the antiwar movement by portraying its strongest spokespersons – military family members who oppose Bush and are calling for troops to be withdrawn from Iraq – as weak, misguided, confused, mentally unbalanced, and unpatriotic.
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 9:48 PM
..
woo hoooo..
majority report Rulez today!!!
thumbs up.
Posted by: wanda at August 30, 2005 9:49 PM
Posted by: Kevin at August 30, 2005 09:25 PM
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God, that's NUTS!
What, is this Limbaugh's line?
Posted by: Meg at August 30, 2005 9:49 PM
not even a good fake either.
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 09:45 PM
It's obvious that, since you're urging people to not vote for democrats, that you're some kind of republican freeper trying to delute the democrat vote. Well it's not working! We're going to win in '06!
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 9:49 PM
... another penis in a bowtie?
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 30, 2005 9:50 PM
More an more conservatives on campus.
But let's face it, many liberal students have lived a sheltered life while conservative students were publicly damned. With an increasingly strong conservative presence on campus, liberals can no longer get away with putting down conservatives. Indeed, they can learn from them.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:14 PM
Considering the cuts to education funding the Bush has made, basically down to Channel One and bible studies, it hardly surprises me that there are more conservatives on campus.
Posted by: trubblemaker at August 30, 2005 9:50 PM
Un-President and Commander 'n' Cheat Bush will remain at his Crawford Texas ranchette until Friday, at which time he'll leave and his staff will find another place for him to ride his bike.
While water continues to inundate New Orleans, George Dubya Bush proves he is ageless: He hasn't changed a bit since his AWOL days in the National Guard, and continues to be AWOL in his role as Bush II of the United States of America. Neither War nor Natural Disaster can make him take responsibility seriously.
Posted by: nora at August 30, 2005 9:50 PM
Have you ever heard of Google... know how to use it? Maybe you don't want to see the results it will turn up for you.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:34 PM
Sorry, that is a non-sequitor.
My point is the exit polls in Ohio showed Kerry the winner.
the army poll...why would I believe its results?
I suspect there was considerable pressure to say you voted republican just to stay in the good graces of the comanding officers who could become aware of the results.
byut, one more time, I am not interested in how the troops voted, I am wondering why the chicken hawks in college are to cowardly to fight this war?
If this war is so damned important, why would people choose not to fight?
honestly. if the threat from the Islamic fundamentalists is so dire, so urgent, how could anyone risk losing?
Posted by: ۞ĈħůБъÿ٭ßΰБъǻ ۞ at August 30, 2005 9:50 PM
It's obvious that, since you're urging people to not vote for democrats, that you're some kind of republican freeper trying to delute the democrat vote. Well it's not working! We're going to win in '06!
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:49 PM
How many times have you seen a republican switch parties to run as a dem when the dems are most likely to win?
Can you say lieberman?
Pay attention to each individual...and be careful of what they claim to be.
Thinking never hurts.
Are you anti thinking?
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 9:51 PM
We're going to win in '06!
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:49 PM
Yeah!
Posted by: Dough For Dems! at August 30, 2005 9:51 PM
Do you want the rethuglicans to win again? It's because of people like you that Kerry didn't win. If Rethuglicans get elected next year, it'll be because weak democrats like you.
Posted by: Dough For Dems! at August 30, 2005 09:43 PM
Behold, boys & girls: a shit-stirring poseur & agent provocateur.
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 30, 2005 9:51 PM
sorry sam, you're not the penis in the bowtie, it's that other guy - he's the dick.
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 30, 2005 9:52 PM
We're going to win in '06!
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:49 PM
Yeah!
Posted by: Dough For Dems! at August 30, 2005 09:51 PM
oh stop talking to yourself...that's the lamest most common trick used in forums...We've seen it all around here and are not impressed
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 9:53 PM
freeper trying to delute the democrat vote. Well it's not working! We're going to win in '06!
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:49 PM
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You just gave yourself away. The FAKE is now hiding behind Anonymous...
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 30, 2005 9:53 PM
Who cares if the military votes Republican? That doesn't make them right. Just because you sign up, you're not entitled to automatic respect.
18 year old drop-outs who are filled with zeno-patriotism in boot camp aren't going to start voting Democrat until they get home and realize what it was they were really fighting for.
Posted by: hrvat64 at August 30, 2005 9:53 PM
Hey, it's Hank Hill callin'! 8)
Posted by: trubblemaker at August 30, 2005 9:53 PM
Bush is emotionally incapable of dealing with problems. He wants to see a flooded NO from a flyover about as much as he wants to see a flag drapped coffin.
He is emotionally dysfunctional and appears to be operating on the level (emotionally) of a child.
The major change in Bush's life in the last five years is now we are paying for his indolent lifestyle of priviledge instead of his daddys friends.
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at August 30, 2005 9:53 PM
God, that's NUTS!
What, is this Limbaugh's line?
Posted by: Meg at August 30, 2005 09:49 PM
That is the Mind of a Freeper. A Fly has more mental capability than a Freeper and is more useful.
Posted by: Kevin at August 30, 2005 9:54 PM
Are you anti thinking?
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 09:51 PM
Think all you want. Then vote Democrat! We'll take back both houses next year! Or do you want the Republicans to win again? Are you some kind of Nader-lover?
Posted by: Dough For Dems! at August 30, 2005 9:54 PM
tell you what!
i hate REPUBLICANS
Posted by: notHANKbutstillHICK at August 30, 2005 9:55 PM
Sam they have one now, I saw a ANG Helicopter on the news 15 minutes ago.
Posted by: Kevin at August 30, 2005 9:55 PM
I don't understand what they mean when they say we are fighting "evil" people who hate our "freedom". What I have heard is that we all have some "evil" within us so we fight ourselves? What freedom do they hate? The freedom being taken away from us by the Patriot Act? When it is so obvious that Haliburton, Kellogg, Brown & Root and at least a half dozen other corporations are making billions off of this war and with $300 billion spent and we still haven't rebuilt with no report on where the money is going. Isn't lustful greed associated with evil? So what "evil" are we fighting?
Posted by: Julian at August 30, 2005 9:56 PM
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(haaretzdaily.com) In a direct challenge to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, MK Benjamin...
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(foxnews.com) The British government is proposing to ban the downloading and possession of violent and abusive pornography from the Internet, a...
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Posted by: MknightLV
at August 30, 2005 9:56 PM
Sam they have one now, I saw a ANG Helicopter on the news 15 minutes ago.
Posted by: Kevin at August 30, 2005 09:55 PM
They borrowed it from alabama
Posted by: painter
at August 30, 2005 9:56 PM
The FAKE is now hiding behind Anonymous...
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:53 PM
You're not fooling anyone around here...
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 9:57 PM
It's obvious that, since you're urging people to not vote for democrats, that you're some kind of republican freeper trying to delute the democrat vote. Well it's not working! We're going to win in '06!
Posted by: Anonymous at August 30, 2005 09:49 PM
You see here how he attempts to put words into my mouth to distract attention from himself?
I'm tired of fake dems...I'm tired of vichy dems...Democrats in name only...I'm fucking tired of republicans running as dems because they're in a dem safe district and I'm tired of shit for brains trolls telling people who cares if they're really a republican so long as they got the D by their name and to not pay attention...
Posted by: Nobody at August 30, 2005 9:57 PM
