hello

I don't know what happened to cate. Maybe a dingo ate her.

Posted by: Michael the self-actualized A-C at August 26, 2005 08:53 PM

no dingos here....i got hungry and due to my three second memory i forgot i was meant to come back here and listen to the show! i am so slow these days

eya rusty ;)

jimmy!

one day i'll stay and listen to an entire show ...

oh how i've missed it.

gtg, peaches in advance
x

OK, do me a favor. Go out into the street, pick any school-age person and ask them who Galileo is.

Posted by: trubblemaker at August 26, 2005 08:53 PM

"Galileo? Galileo? Hmmm. Donesn't he make that cheap jug wine?"

Posted by: spocko at August 26, 2005 08:56 PM

Yeah. Julius and Ethel Galileo make that wine.

Tell Janeane it is Beloved Leader..!!

Not dear leader..

Beloved!

Not Dear leader..

Beloved...!!

Our Beloved President George W. Bush!

Posted by: War Dog at August 26, 2005 08:56 PM

'Dear' is more appropriate, considering what he's cost us.

Oh, of course

and people will remember Galileo as long as humans exist

Posted by: Michael the self-actualized A-C at August 26, 2005 08:46 PM

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So, if I cite someone who does not appear in Western history books, will I be accused of making-up unimpressive "dangerous intellects" to suit my argument?

Winning a discussion bores me. Deflating hollow balloons amuses me.

***SEPTEMBER 24***

11:00AM - Gather at the Washington Monument

12:30PM - March through downtown Washington

03:00PM - Peace & Justice Festival - Get connected, get educated, get organized!

03:00PM - Operation Ceasefire - Free concert on the Washington Monument grounds.

http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?list=type&type=91

One of those Army recruitment TV ads has a young man jogging through a suburban neighborhood past all the good people, children, and puppies he'll be protecting in the military service he's contemplating . . . "It's for them"

They should really have him jog through a marina in the Hamptons, past all the yachts bought with Treasury-draining Iraq-reconstruction graft windfalls ("It's really for them"), then through a vast graveyard, working-class families collected around fresh plots, a machine-signed "thanks a bunch" death certificate from Rumsfeld in their hands . . .

Resilient soldiers TODAY'S EDITORIAL August 26, 2005

The military's recruiting woes continue, but the retention numbers are encouraging. That's what year-to-date Pentagon figures on re-enlistments show, giving the lie to those who would demean the military with claims that the Iraq war is demoralizing the troops. All the active-duty services are expected to meet or exceed their 2005 retention goals -- keeping servicemen already in uniform, as distinct from recruitment -- and all met or exceeded their July goals. So the Pentagon announced two weeks ago. Most tellingly, all 10 divisions of the Army have surpassed their year-to-date re-enlistment goals. Figures for battle-hardened divisions bear this out: They are currently enjoying some of the highest re-enlistment rates. In some cases, divisions are exceeding their retention goals by as much as 20 percent to 30 percent. The year-to-date figures for the reserve components are not yet complete but probably will not be as strong, although July's retention firgures for National Guard units were an encouraging 105 percent of requirements. This is particularly encouraging because the Guard recruits many older men (and women) who don't really expect to go to war. The overall picture demonstrates that our fighting forces are rallying to the sound of the guns in Iraq, not shying from it.

Posted by: War Dog at August 26, 2005 07:04 PM

Your post demeans and demoralizes America's military by suggesting the war in Iraq is the main motivating factor causing soldiers to re-enlist.

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Iraq war dead: a sacrifice of small towns
Disproportionate number of dead troops are from poor, rural areas

http://www.coba.unt.edu/itds/faculty/evangelopoulos/Stats/AAS%20-%20IraqWarSmallTowns.htm

Clinton, Clarke Were NEVER TOLD about ATTA & Gang being in US!!

Janeane -- let Bill talk this time...

I know you guys are rejoicing at the supposed decline in the president's approval ratings. I hate to disappoint you, but the president is principle-driven, not poll-driven. His bold and decisive leadership in taking the fight to the terrorist killers bodes well for the security of our country. I am proud to say that I support the president. I also believe that, if you do not support the president's aggressive tactics against the enemy, you are emboldening and enabling those who seek to destroy us.

Posted by: New World Order at August 26, 2005 08:49 PM

Do you have even a vague notion regarding what would be entailed in destroying a nation like the US? I dont think you do based on your assertion that a loose and small group of stateless individuals are attempting to destroy a nation of a third billion with an economy of nearly 15 trillion.

Your description isnt anything I recognize as reality.

Principle driven? Are you serious? Do you understand that Bush has been literaly 'caught' in lies that resulted in the deaths of over 100,000 people? Believe what you will, but principled people DONT behave in such a manner. In particular given that the people that Bush is killing did exactly NOTHING to the US and the people that DID harm (in a minor way) the US are still at large YEARS after the fact. And the truth is, they are known NOT to be in Iraq. They are known to be in territories that Bush claims are allies.

He is lying to you, just as he lied to the entire world.

As much as you want to believe in 'John Wayne', you are being played for a fool.

or.....maybe i will stay for suddenly sam seder

Hey,stepping in late,hey,you see the daily show?this guy said Zarqaui and other terrorist were in Iraq like in 1993,and terrorist were in Iraq before we went there,what the hell?

eya cate!

i gotta go work on my casting project.

good to read ya!

heres the latest pix:

http://www3.telus.net/Art-Adventures/RedLadyFirstOne%20Finished15/

Not Dear leader..

Beloved...!!

Our Beloved President George W. Bush!

Posted by: War Dog at August 26, 2005 08:56 PM

Not Dear leader..

Beloved...!!

Our Beloved President Kim Jong Il !

Not to mention the FACT that the Pentagon Lawyers would not let them

'Dear' is more appropriate, considering what he's cost us.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 26, 2005 09:00 PM

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Or deer as in deer in the headlights...

And What Did They Die For Once Again?

This may come as something of a shock to some of those yahoos down in Crawford, Texas, who are so upset with antiwar Gold Star mother Cindy Sheehan's vigil outside the president's Godforsaken ranch, but if they were to look real close they'd discover she is committing first-degree, premeditated citizenship.

ooh jim! thats freaky hehe

Digby @ Hulabaloo had a great post about our elitist media.
Best part (imo)
I spent the 90's in LA, working closely with people who know a thing or two about cool and Clinton was considered the coolest president ever. He was obviously incredibly smart, good humored, catnip to women and had the common touch. It was clear to me from the earliest days of his presidency that his problem with the Washington press corps most assuredly was not that he wasn't cool enough --- it was that he was too cool.I suspect that Clinton always had this problem when dealing with the elites whom he was more than smart enough to hob-nob with --- he was too earthy, too sexual, too down and dirty. Like the timorous Dems of the class of '72, the establishment (of which they are now a part) thinks being overtly human is to be a little bit too close to the beast.

Things are happining in Iraq tonight...

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IRAQ WRAPUP 1-Iraq speaker: "deal in principle" on constitution
27 Aug 2005 00:23:05 GMT

Source: Reuters

By Mariam Karouny and Alastair Macdonald

BAGHDAD, Aug 27 (Reuters) - Iraqi leaders have reached a deal in principle on a draft constitution, parliament's speaker said on Saturday, but no accord was clinched yet and a final decision would be clear only on Sunday.

One Shi'ite faction in the government called it a historic day, but delegates from Iraq's Sunni minority could not be reached for comment and had been making deeply pessimistic statements hours before on the chances of an accord.

Speaker Hajim al-Hassani said negotiators from the Shi'ite majority had proposed amendments to an existing draft to meet the demands of Sunni Arabs, who dominated under Saddam Hussein.

Sunni leaders had yet to give a definite response, said Hassani, himself a Sunni, but the amendments did deal with those issues troubling the minority.

http://www3.telus.net/Art-Adventures/RedLadyFirstOne%20Finished15/

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at August 26, 2005 09:03 PM

Wow, glass nipples are one of my secret fetishes...did you make that, SJ? I thought you were married.

janeane...?

pink wig..??

photo

GEORGE BUSH’S SOLDIERS OF FORTUNE

With no public debate, to compensate for inadequate troop strength in Iraq, the Bush Administration has contracted with tens of thousands of mercenaries, who operate outside U.S. control and undermine military morale.

the Iraq war is demoralizing the troops. All the active-duty services are expected to meet or exceed their 2005 retention goals -- keeping servicemen already in uniform, as distinct from recruitment -- and all met or exceeded their July goals. So the Pentagon announced two weeks ago. Most tellingly, all 10 divisions of the Army have surpassed their year-to-date re-enlistment goals. Figures for battle-hardened divisions bear this out: They are currently enjoying some of the highest re-enlistment rates. In some cases, divisions are exceeding their retention goals by as much as 20 percent to 30 percent. The year-to-date figures for the reserve components are not yet complete but probably will not be as strong, although July's retention firgures for National Guard units were an encouraging 105 percent of requirements. This is particularly encouraging because the Guard recruits many older men (and women) who don't really expect to go to war. The overall picture demonstrates that our fighting forces are rallying to the sound of the guns in Iraq, not shying from it.

Posted by: War Dog at August 26, 2005 07:04 PM

Obviously, you've never been to war or served. Perhaps you could watch an interesting Dateline where they reveal the story behind a man, Vietnam vet thought dead but actually 'hiding' He had changed his name, had no contact with his family due to PTSD and survivors guilt. After hearing that 12 of his fellow soldiers were killed while he was being sent back to the states, he flipped out, changed his name and lived his life as a different person. War changes people and some people can't cope with going back to 'normal' so they re-up hoping they get killed.

One of the most disgustingly corrupt aspects of our system of misgovernment is the grandfathering of corruption. The Bolton recess appointment is an excellent example. The Bush presidential appointment by The Supreme Court is another. Both were conducted illegally, but can't be successfully stopped, due to partisan corruption. We're left with a system that can be dismantled by a majority simply by them looking away, and failing to protect the constitution - not to mention failing to protect the nation, and the people.

Daniel that was Christopher Hitchens who's a lying sack of alcoholic shit. There's no proof of that.

When the people calling the shots from the trailer figure she no longer serves their purpose they will drop her and move on.

Liberal PR machine exploits Cindy Sheehan

The camp at Crawford is full of Cindy Sheehan supporters, people from all walks of life. But off to the side are a small group of professionals, skilled in politics and public relations who are marketing her message.

Cindy Sheehan kneels before a cross with her son's name on it, touches his picture, wipes her tears. It's an outpouring of emotion that is part of a scheduled news event organized daily for the television, radio and print reporters who crowd in to capture a mother's grief.

Organizers are set up in a house trailer. Their meetings are closed to reporters.

I've smoked a marijuana cigarette and I've never been given a bribe...

Not Dear leader..

Beloved...!!

Our Beloved President George W. Bush!

Posted by: War Dog at August 26, 2005 08:56 PM

Not Dear leader..

Beloved...!!

Our Beloved President Kim Jong Il !

Posted by: War Dragon at August 26, 2005 09:03 PM

Not Dear leader..

Beloved...!!

Our Beloved Presidente-For-Life Augusto Pinoche!

Ive seen this guy before,dont know what to make of it,his theory is some Bush is a inept leader to we said we were going to Iraq in a 98 - 0 vote in 1998 so take it up with your democrates in congress,which I get that but,so he think Iraq should loose Saddam,but we went about it wrong way andwho knows aaaargh,not WMD but Saddam convicted earlier for most extensive purposs,Bush 1 left Saddam,thinks that was mistake,this guy gives Bush the son credit for remedeeing his fathers mistake.So I think he says hes hoping the ends justify the means which I think is kind of bullshit,ummm,thoughts?

War Dog is horny for Gee-Dub.

That's just GROSS!

Posted by: War Dog at August 26, 2005 07:04 PM

Obviously, you've never been to war or served. Perhaps you could watch an interesting Dateline where they reveal the story behind a man, Vietnam vet thought dead but actually 'hiding' He had changed his name, had no contact with his family due to PTSD and survivors guilt. After hearing that 12 of his fellow soldiers were killed while he was being sent back to the states, he flipped out, changed his name and lived his life as a different person. War changes people and some people can't cope with going back to 'normal' so they re-up hoping they get killed.

Posted by: bushdrools at August 26, 2005 09:07 PM

Cindy Sheehans son Casey didnt reinlist to fight for Iraq or Bush. He went back to try and protect his buddys - and died for it. Many of them return for the same reason. Want to support the troops? Get them out of there so they dont have to kill and be in danger of being killed to protect their buddies.

A corporate house in Del Mar would be sort of dumb. There's no parking...

PR Machine Behind Cindy Sheehan?

This is another media smear job on Cindy Sheehan, implying that a formal public relations campaign is somehow grounds for suspicion, conveniently ignoring the huge PR budget Bush used to help sell the claim that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction; a campaign which ABC nthusiastically supported. ABC, of course, has no moral right to cast stones about PR campaigns. ABC paid a record court settlement over a smear job done by them on the Food Lion Supermarket chain.

Two ABC producers posed as food workers in order to get jobs as food handlers at a Food Lion store. They were assisted by the United Food and Commercial Workers Union, which provided them with fake references. (The union had previously led an unsuccessful effort to organize the store's workers.)

The producers secretly videotaped the Food Lion workplace with the aid of cameras hidden in their wigs. Using this footage, ``PrimeTime Live'' reported that Food Lion sold tainted meat. The ensuing bad publicity led Food Lion to shut down 84 stores over the next two years, throwing thousands of employees out of work.

Outtakes of the hidden-camera footage showed that the charges leveled against Food Lion were a manufactured fraud! One showed an ABC producer taking chickens whose ``sell-by'' dates had expired and putting them up for sale, then telling another producer to videotape them.

Another outtake showed a producer ignoring instructions from legitimate employees on how to handle food. In another, one producer sells a piece of moldy kielbasa to an ABC employee several times for the benefit of the camera.

One piece of videotape that did air showed a dirty meat slicer, even though it was the undercover producer's job to clean it.

In a glaring example of deception by ABC, a Food Lion employee talked about how she had cooked a batch of out-of-date chicken by mistake. That footage aired. But in the portion of the video tape that had been cut out, the employee related being told by her manager to throw the cooked chicken out, which she did.

Many of the discarded

people who think like new world order are stupid SOBs. Fucking wingnut traitor.

Hitchens.right,he was totally drunk smashed shitface,and last time he was on the daily show he was hammered,probably from guilt over even partly legitimising even a fraction of Bush's past.Gag me with a WMD for sure dude.

Many of the discarded video sequences featured producers' frustration at their inability to come up with incriminating footage. In one case, the ABC team reacts with the word,"shit", when a Food Lion employee starts to clean a meat slicer that had gotten dirty.

It seems ABC has not learned from their past mistakes.

I called Senator Kit Bond's St. Louis office today at 314-725-4484 to send feedback and my opinion about Iraq, Base Closings in our state, and how I believe the Senator is self-serving and does not care about our state unless it is time for his re-election. Well after I was transferred to a loud-mouth that stopped me in mid-sentence every time I spoke. He finally disconnected the call. So, I called back and got the loud-mouth once more with the same results. So, I called back for the 3rd time and connected with the original aide, who advised me I called 4 times and they are thru with me and this is an OFFICIAL OFFICE. I told him I am an OFFICIAL taxpayer and I want to send feedback and my opinion to my Senator but everytime I speak I get transferred or shouted down and interrupted. I said if that is the way you want to treat people fine...you are the ones that have to live in your skins, not me....Well then I disconneted the call....After a few minutes my cell phone rang and it was from Washington DC number 202-100-2433 so I answered it and it was the Capitol Police. The officer asked me if I just spoke with the Senators office I said yes why? She said because the senators office staff called them and told them I was threatening them... I said nothing could be further from the truth they are liars......well she was quite politte but she did get rather testy a couple of times with me......but I assured her all I was trying to do was let my Senator know my Displeasure with the direction our country is heading and I feel with the taxes that I pay I am entitled to that.......unless they change the laws.......well we ended the conversation on a pleasant note ....but It sent one hell of a CHILL up my spine....to say the least

Cindy Sheehans son Casey didnt reinlist to fight for Iraq or Bush. He went back to try and protect his buddys - and died for it. Many of them return for the same reason. Want to support the troops? Get them out of there so they dont have to kill and be in danger of being killed to protect their buddies.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 26, 2005 09:11 PM

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That is really weak!

I 'spose you won't believe it because it's written by a man who is in the Army. Had it been written by Michael Moron I'm sure you would give it more credibility.

It's a wonderful time to be a soldier.

I'm very proud to be a soldier of the U.S. Army because of the war on terror and our missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm not alone either. I'm surrounded by soldiers who are re-enlisting and volunteering to go to units that are deploying. In fact, despite all the negative news and protests, I see everyday that our military is actually doing very well.

This is quite obvious, except for the fact that most of the media seems asphyxiated with defeatism. The message from most journalists would lead you to believe that we soldiers are getting out, that no one is joining anew and that we want to stop fighting. This simply isn't true.

Paragraph breaks are your friend.

Rick Perry is a maggot.

ABC is the same stupid network that allows the freak show called the 700 club to be aired.

I wonder if they got my Rush or them neocons got my emails

No Doofus, this is weak...

Girl's story of dad was a hoax, paper says

"Don't die, OK dad? ... You should find Saddam and run him over with your tank ... I love you and don't die. Love, Kodee."

Hey Janeane, re: Perry, mention Kinky Friedman running for gov! www.kinkyfriedman.com

I sent Kit an E-mail when they were threatening to do away with the filabuster and it took about a month b4 I got a letter in the mail thanking me for my concern and asking for my vote

And, of course, every other country in the industrialized world insures all its citizens; despite those extra hundreds of billions of dollars we spend each year, we leave forty-five million people without any insurance...

Posted by: Nobody at August 26, 2005 08:44 PM

NAFTA WTO and FTAs are driving every country to follow the US neo-con lead.

"Don't die, OK dad? ... You should find Saddam and run him over with your tank ... I love you and don't die. Love, Kodee."

Posted by: Nobody

No doubt her Aunt is a liberal like you.

Janeane, I loved your comments on the ultimate dick, O'Reilly. Ever since I listened to his treatment of a gentleman whose last name was Glick, and whose father died at the WTC on 9/11, I've had a fantasy I know I share with others, and it occurs to me that youcould make the fantasy come true (sort of) if you'd run a clip of O'Reilly blasting this poor guy and allow a lucky call in listener to shout repeatedly, "SHUT UP." You can be the engineer and when the caller gives the cue, "Okay, cut his mic," cut the clip. I think it'd be orgasmic.

More Pro-War Hypocrisy

To paraphrase the Bard, "Methinks the neocons doth protest too much." Perhaps their violent outbursts against criticism of the war in Iraq are nothing more than feeble attempts to draw attention away from their blatant hypocrisy.

peaches

x
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wow,those two sentences just tried to eat each other.

I ment to say,I wonder if Rush or his Spawn Hamnity got my emails.Or those other neocon pundents.

Think a corrected comma turned into a sentence getting munched.

ABC is the same stupid network that allows the freak show called the 700 club to be aired.

Posted by: 1942tyu at August 26, 2005 09:16 PM

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Yeah, ABC is owned by Disney -- the Family Channel...

Washington times is for lowlife wingnuts who like to lick their best cow's balls.

Washington times is for lowlife wingnuts who like to lick their best bull's balls.

The president is doing a great job. If you were to put him up for reelection again, he would win. In fact, none of your 2008 candidates would beat the worst of the GOP candidates. With a diverse group like Rudy, McCain, George Allen, Mitt Romney, Pataki, Tancredo, Huckabee, Mark Sanford, Hagel, Condi, Frist, etc., any one of these guys would win 300+ EVs. Who in the Dem field inspires such excitement among the populace? Can you imagine what it would be like for a beloved figure like "America's Mayor" or Condi or McCain to be on the stage against someone like Hillary, Kerry, or Joe Biden? Rudy and McCain get standing ovations when they takes the train! It's amazing. Rudy even as a VP candidate would swing NY and NJ to the GOP. Romney would make MA into a swing state. My point in writing this is that, as much as you attack and lambaste the president and the GOP, the Democrats are weak and not competitive. The Democrat party is going to be a second-class, out of power party for the foreseeable future. Long after this president is out of office.

If not worse than the Republicans

by Justin Raimondo

August 26, 2005

The war-hawk mentality of these "national security Democrats" trickles down the "pyramid" of power from the apex, where party leaders like Senators Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton dwell. The former criticizes the administration's war policy from the right, and the latter has a bill in the hopper increasing the size of the army by 80,000 soldiers. On the second level, we have former government officials like Richard Holbrooke, one of the main architects of Bill Clinton's Kosovo adventure. Holbrooke, a key adviser to John Kerry, was instrumental in blocking any hints of antiwar sentiment from coming out of the Democratic side during the last presidential election. As Berman points out:

"Nine days before the election, Holbrooke addressed the American Israel Public Affairs Committee and reiterated Kerry's support for the war and occupation, belittled European negotiations with Iran on its nuclear program and endorsed the Israeli separation wall. 'Hardly a Dove Among Dems' Brain Trusters,' read a headline from the Forward newspaper."

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=7097

So, the ashkenazi run the Zionist movement not the Semites? Peace

No doubt her Aunt is a liberal like you.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 26, 2005 09:19 PM

You don't pay attention...that was a right wing hoax...

Posted by: Anonymous at August 26, 2005 09:14 PM

"Sgt. Joe Roche is with the 12th Aviation Battalion and stationed at Fort Belvoir."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Fort Belvoir in Virginia?

I wish that they would let Bill speak. He has such great insight!

However, very happy that Rachel will take over Al's show next week.

Even' blog!

This is another media smear job on Cindy Sheehan, implying that a formal public relations campaign is somehow grounds for suspicion,

Posted by: Nobody at August 26, 2005 09:12 PM

this story is typical of the repukes. their whole 'you don't speak for me' tour is set up by a PR firm. the guy's fax 441-6507 is the same fax as the PR company he works for Sacremento firm Russo, Marsh and Rogers-Sal Russo.

Peaches, cate.

It is shameful our generation witnessed the end of America.

Radioactive Wounds of War

Matthew, 31, decided that since he’d spent much of his time in Iraq lugging around DU-damaged equipment, he’d better get tested too. It turned out he was the most contaminated of them all.
Matthew immediately urged his wife to get an ultrasound check of their unborn baby. They discovered the fetus had a condition common to those with radioactive exposure: atypical syndactyly. The right hand had only two digits.

The pro-war Bushistas are trying to claim that any soldier who signs up for the military is only getting what they volunteered for. But no recruiter has ever told the soldiers that service in Iraq, in a war based on lies, will iinflict birth defects on the children they will have later in life. NO ONE volunteered for that. And those deformed innocent children are victims of the Neocon agenda as much as any Iraqi child.

Oops. forgot the html...

www.kinkyfriedman.com

he is a water carrier for the Elite Military COOP in MIssouri.
And a hog eating at the TROUGH

I sent Kit an E-mail when they were threatening to do away with the filabuster and it took about a month b4 I got a letter in the mail thanking me for my concern and asking for my vote

Posted by: painter at August 26, 2005 09:18 PM

This is quite obvious, except for the fact that most of the media seems asphyxiated with defeatism. The message from most journalists would lead you to believe that we soldiers are getting out, that no one is joining anew and that we want to stop fighting. This simply isn't true.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 26, 2005 09:14 PM

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Once a killer, always a killer.
Any civilized human abhors what you do to innocents, women, children and elderly who can't fight back.

Liberals are liars and masters of misrepresentation

Some blacks are comparing Judge Roberts to Martin Luther King.

On Wednesday, Project 21 member Mychal Massie described Roberts as "the type of jurist who represents the beliefs of great Americans such as James Madison and Martin Luther King, Jr."

"To suggest that I have in some way discredited Dr. King is simply the knee-jerk, apoplectic hysteria of those who find fault with anyone not espousing their leftist mantra of self-segregation and special rights. As a result, much of what Dr. King stood for has been undermined by their lies and pathetic misrepresentations," said Massie.

Mccain is a bigot just like that shithead dobson.

Republicans are raised to sniff their fingers

hope they didnt write you guys thinking it was you,they got my email,ooo speaking of,Ill check it for neocon feedback,
hold on...

The right wing lying to little kids to get them to do their dirty work for them...

Tale of dead soldier and his little girl was elaborate hoax

Over seven days of reporting, the Tribune learned the real story, one of elaborate fabrications and lies intricately spread out over two years. There is no soldier named Dan Kennings. The charming girl people came to know as Kodee Kennings is someone else entirely, [a child] from an out-of-state family [led to believe] she was playing a part in a documentary about a soldier.

OK so Myth believers created Christianity like Marx said to make themselves feel better...ok fair enough

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=baloney+detection+kit&btnG=Google+Search

Google: Baloney Detection Kit

Evening Bloggers!

Its casual Friday! ... And I actually made it home before the end of the show!!

I'm just so happy ... and now ... I'm getting treated to a JG rant! Its just so fun, enlightening and relaxing ... to hear a voice of reason.

ahhhhhhhhhhh

"The Irrationalist Movement". Is that a new Janeaneism?

CARL SAGAN'S BALONEY DETECTION KIT
[TPSAVC Site map]

Based on the book The Demon Haunted World by Carl Sagan

The following are suggested as tools for testing arguments and detecting fallacious or fraudulent arguments:

* Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the facts
* Encourage substantive debate on the evidence by knowledgeable proponents of all points of view.
* Arguments from authority carry little weight (in science there are no "authorities").
* Spin more than one hypothesis - don't simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy.
* Try not to get overly attached to a hypothesis just because it's yours.
* Quantify, wherever possible.
* If there is a chain of argument every link in the chain must work.
* "Occam's razor" - if there are two hypothesis that explain the data equally well choose the simpler.
* Ask whether the hypothesis can, at least in principle, be falsified (shown to be false by some unambiguous test). In other words, it is testable? Can others duplicate the experiment and get the same result?

Mfume Stressing Antiwar Stand

Maryland Democrat Kweisi Mfume is making a play for the antiwar vote in his bid for the U.S. Senate with a fundraising solicitation this week that calls for U.S. withdrawal from Iraq and with a major speech on the issue planned for next month.

yes, janeane (yawn)

everything we know, do, etc, is brain related

e.g. our brain tells us to breathe

get over the brain-thing explanation for everything

it's a drag

Well I have been calling the CBN prayer line and the counselors there are admitting that Pat Robertson does not speak for everyone at CBN and his views are not necessarily the views of all of CBN...I ask the counselors if they can show me where in the bible it says if you don't like a leader of a nation you should murder him....they say like "aaahhh I g

CARL SAGAN'S BALONEY DETECTION KIT
[TPSAVC Site map]

Based on the book The Demon Haunted World by Carl Sagan

Common fallacies of logic and rhetoric

* Ad hominem - attacking the arguer and not the argument.
* Argument from "authority".
* Argument from adverse consequences (putting pressure on the decision maker by pointing out dire consequences of an "unfavourable" decision).
* Appeal to ignorance (absence of evidence is not evidence of absence).
* Special pleading (typically referring to god's will).
* Begging the question (assuming an answer in the way the question is phrased).
* Observational selection (counting the hits and forgetting the misses).
* Statistics of small numbers (such as drawing conclusions from inadequate sample sizes).
* Misunderstanding the nature of statistics (President Eisenhower expressing astonishment and alarm on discovering that fully half of all Americans have below average intelligence!)
* Inconsistency (e.g. military expenditures based on worst case scenarios but scientific projections on environmental dangers thriftily ignored because they are not "proved").
* Non sequitur - "it does not follow" - the logic falls down.
* Post hoc, ergo propter hoc - "it happened after so it was caused by" - confusion of cause and effect.
* Meaningless question ("what happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object?).
* Excluded middle - considering only the two extremes in a range of possibilities (making the "other side" look worse than it really is).
* Short-term v. long-term - a subset of excluded middle ("why pursue fundamental science when we have so huge a budget deficit?").
* Slippery slope - a subset of excluded middle - unwarranted extrapolation of the effects (give an inch and they will take a mile).
* Confusion of correlation and causation.
* Straw man - caricaturing (or stereotyping) a position to make it easier to attack..
* Suppressed evidence or half-truths.
* Weasel words - for example, use of euphemisms for war such as "police action" to get a

he is a water carrier for the Elite Military COOP in MIssouri. And a hog eating at the TROUGH

I sent Kit an E-mail when they were threatening to do away with the filabuster and it took about a month b4 I got a letter in the mail thanking me for my concern and asking for my vote

Posted by: painter at August 26, 2005 09:18 PM

Posted by: MissouriDemocrat at August 26, 2005 09:22 PM

Yeah but he isn't up for reselection this year, the other ass hole is

On Wednesday, Project 21 member Mychal Massie described Roberts as "the type of jurist who represents the beliefs of great Americans such as James Madison and Martin Luther King, Jr."

"To suggest that I have in some way discredited Dr. King is simply the knee-jerk, apoplectic hysteria of those who find fault with anyone not espousing their leftist mantra of self-segregation and special rights. As a result, much of what Dr. King stood for has been undermined by their lies and pathetic misrepresentations," said Massie.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 26, 2005 09:23 PM

On Wednesday, Project 21 member Mychal Massie described Roberts as "the type of jurist who represents the beliefs of great Americans such as James Madison and Martin Luther King, Jr."

"To suggest that I have in some way discredited Dr. King is simply the knee-jerk, apoplectic hysteria of those who find fault with anyone not espousing their leftist mantra of self-segregation and special rights. As a result, much of what Dr. King stood for has been undermined by their lies and pathetic misrepresentations," said Massie.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 26, 2005 09:23 PM

On Wednesday, Project 21 member Mychal Massie described Roberts as "the type of jurist who represents the beliefs of great Americans such as James Madison and Martin Luther King, Jr."

"To suggest that I have in some way discredited Dr. King is simply the knee-jerk, apoplectic hysteria of those who find fault with anyone not espousing their leftist mantra of self-segregation and special rights. As a result, much of what Dr. King stood for has been undermined by their lies and pathetic misrepresentations," said Massie.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 26, 2005 09:23 PM

Syllogism: This quote comes from Project 21 member Mychal Massie. Project 21: The National Leadership Network of Black Conservatives. Ergo, this quote is bullshit.

You mean THEY LIE A LOT?

Then say THEY LIE A LOT.

1984 Janeane, its new speak. Clean Skies Initiative. Comparing it to logic is an afront to Socrates.

Thanks for shredding Aristotle, Janeane. :-)

No rightwing pundet hate mail,Randis newsletter,August was the bloodiest month for troops in the war,bummer,oh she is reminding she will be with Cindy Sheehan tomorrow trying to make sure that the last time that record is broken under President Bush,if we can stop his madness,the Madness of wannabee King George,neat

When Janeane gets into the psychobabble it turns MR into an inane and pale shadow of a comedy turns if it wasn't so fucking outradeously terrible.

Here is a sylagism for you.

God is love, love is blind, Ray Charles was blind, then Ray Charles was God.

In his book The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark, Carl Sagan presents a common-sense, rational approach to checking out claims, the "Baloney Detection Kit". Later, in his "Skeptic" column for Scientific American magazine, Michael Shermer presented his own, 10-step Baloney Detection Kit. Although Sagan's and Shermer's foci were pseudoscience and the paranormal, these techniques can be used just as well in evaluating any type of claim: whether it comes from CNN, Bush, or your favorite 9-11 conspiracy theorist. Here is my version of the BDK, carefully designed for the progressive skeptic in a world of sensationalist news media.

http://www.csuchico.edu/psu/archive/baloney.html

Yea and who is going to run against James Talent who said I don't need no investigation into prisoner abuse these guys and gals wouldn't do this if they want to poke their finger in a detainees chest to get the name of a bomb maker or something I don't have a problem with that...........GEEZ what an idiot and he is on the armed forces commmittee

1. Is the source biased? If so, what are the biases?

A good researcher will try to remain as neutral as possible (although nobody can do it 100%). This is another reason why it is good to have a large diversity of sources, so you aren't too colored by any one opinion. Try to think about what the biases may be, and where they are coming from.

2. Can the source be verified by another source?

If something's too good (or too bad) to be true, it probably isn't. That's why, if something seems suspect, you should get a second opinion...and probably a 3rd and 4th as well. This is another reason why getting a variety of sources for news is a good idea.

3. How reliable is the source?

Does this same source often make claims that seem suspicious or specious? Do other sources often cite this source? What types of criticism have been levelled against it? In other words, what is it's track record?

Many sources make weird or scary predictions, and then hope you've forgotten once they don't pan out. Remember Y2K? Or killer bees? Take everything you hear with a grain of salt or more. The media loves sensationalism. That's how they make the most money.

4. Can the source's claims be falsified?

An important part of logical thinking is the concept of falsification. That is, for any claim, if there is no conceivable manner in which it could be proven false, then it is assumed to be bogus. The process is to assume the negative, and go from there..

As an example, I could say, "Fornits are real." (A fornit is a creature that helps writers write; they were created by Stephen King.) The statement is positive, and non-falsifiable. That is, it's impossible for you to prove that fornits do not exist, especially since they're invisible. (By the way, it does not bolster my credibility one iota to offer people $1000 to disprove my fornits.) However, the negative statement, "Fornits do not exist" can be falsified (by catching one, for instance). Conspiracy theories often fail on this check, since anything that could be presented to debunk the theory can be dismissed as merely another part of the conspiracy. It's important to note that although it may be possible to find e

Liberals are liars and masters of misrepresentation

Posted by: Anonymous at August 26, 2005 09:23 PM

Three words: Max fucking Cleland. The defense rests.

My deepest apologies goes out to all the good people of Texas for having such a lowlife, unamerican, sob, traitor, and wuss wingnut living in your great state.

5. Are you analyzing the issue from many different angles?

One of the best pieces of advice I ever received was to "read writers you disagree with". This doesn't mean that you should read Rush Limbaugh or Michael Savage, necessarily. But the greater variety of media you read, watch and listen to, the greater will be your knowledge of the nation's political landscape. Each group has something important to say, and something to learn from the others. If somebody's writing makes you uncomfortable, they'll get you thinking.

If reading the "other sides" doesn't change your way of thinking, it will make you prepared for many arguments you will come up against. Knowing the other sides' beliefs and arguments are a valuable asset in working with them.

6. Is the appeal emotional or rational?

I suppose the role of emotions in news can, and will, be debated, but I think it is unprofessional. Things are usually not quite as bad as they may at first seem, and even if they are, it's always better to approach these things with a clear head.

The most extreme and recent example of this is the War on Terror. After the WTC towers fell, the nation freaked out and was coerced into going along with an illegal war and revocation of its civil liberties. Ignorance, fear and desperation are tools of manipulation. Beware of arguments that are based on these things, instead of hard evidence.

7. Are the argument(s) presented valid?

Many skeptics believe that there is too little attention in public education to logic and critical thinking. This may be why people often fall prey to invalid arguments...from the media, from their peers, and from themselves. (As an addendum to the BDK, I've added many of these logical fallacies below, along with their Latin names.)

So, many come out of high school knowing what to think, but not how to think. It's not that these people are stupid...they've been poorly served by their educational system. They may know a lot about science, mathematics or English, but without knowledge of reasoning, they are unable to form good opinions and expand and synthesize that knowledge.

A man is not a passive thing, like a computer, just waiting to be fed data and only knowing what you tell it. A man must be able to search for truth on his own...and, moreover, be able to detect falsehoods.

8. Are extraordinary claims backed up by extraordinary evidence?

James Lett, a professor of anthropology at Indian River Community College in Florida, gives a good explanation for this rule:

Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence for the obvious reason of balance. If I claim that it rained for ten minutes on my way to work last Tuesday, you would be justified in accepting that claim as true on the basis of my report. But if I claim that I was abducted by extraterrestrial aliens who whisked me to the far side of the moon and performed bizarre medical experiments on me, you would be justified in demanding more substantial evidence. The ordinary evidence of my testimony, while sufficient for ordinary claims, is not sufficient for extraordinary ones.

Better not call them assholes the Capitol Police might be watching

Logical fallacies

The problem with a lot of arguments is that they sound good, but under closer inspection you realize that they don't make any sense. Some people's deeply held beliefs are based on fallacious arguments...they've just never bothered to analyze them, or were afraid to. This is why they may get irritated or angry if you question those beliefs.

Here are some of the more common fallacies. I think that this is a good starting point for anyone attempting to improve his rhetoric. If you remember these, you'll be better able to spot the problems in others' arguments, and clean up your own.

1. Straw man
A straw man is a false characterization of an argument, designed to be easily refuted.

Examples: "I get these environmentalist whackos coming to my seminar all the time. They'll say 'Well, trees have rights. Animals have rights'. And I'll say 'I think oxygen molecules have rights too and you oughta quit breathing'."
---Kent Hovind, creation science minister and conspiracy theorist

"These anti-war liberals are ridiculous. They think that if you just ignore terrorism, it'll go away!"

"Pacifism is silly. You've got to defend yourself from attackers."

//Some blacks are comparing Judge Roberts to Martin Luther King.//

Posted by: Anonymous at August 26, 2005 09:23 PM

related to janeane's syllogism point

john roberts is male

martin luther king is male

therefore john roberts can be compared to MLK

FFS!

I'M PUKING MY GUTS OUT

2. Slippery Slope
If we let A happen, then B will occur. A slippery slope is an extremely specious cause-and-effect: the argument is fallacious because A does not infer B. The slippery slope is a worst case scenario, that plays into people's fears.
Examples: "We cannot allow hate speech to circulate uncensored. If these dangerous ideas are allowed to spread, this country will become ridden with bigotry before we know it."

"We must turn back from this so-called 'sexual liberation' before it's too late! First sex outside of marriage, then homosexuality...if our society accepts these things as normal, what next? Acceptance of incest? Bestiality? The last stage is total moral chaos!"

Hey Janeane, some of us are poor and did not go to college. I got to get out my dictionary now. Take it easy on us. I lost the whole thing you were saying. What? A fan.

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Cindy Sheehans son Casey didnt reinlist to fight for Iraq or Bush. He went back to try and protect his buddys - and died for it. Many of them return for the same reason.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 26, 2005 09:11 PM

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That is really weak!

Posted by: War Dog at August 26, 2005 09:14 PM

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C'mon, War Dog. It has been and continues to be documented over and over again that soldiers who have endured combat feel a loyalty to their comrades-in-arms before all else.

Amputees, in hospital being fitted for a prosthesis, anguish over their fellows who remain in theatre.

You know this. There is no way that you can not know it. The syndrome has been recorded since VietNam, if not before.

The reasons behind these feelings is a separate discussion.

Whether Cindy Sheehan's son shared these feelings, I can not say.

I can say that, if he did not, he was the exception to the rule.

Girl's story of dad was a hoax, paper says
By Kevin McDermott
Post-Dispatch Springfield Bureau
08/25/2005

CARBONDALE, Ill. - For two years, Carbondale residents have been riveted by the writing of a little girl imploring her father in Iraq: "Don't die, OK?"

Only now are they learning there was never any danger of that.

The Daily Egyptian, Southern Illinois University's student-run newspaper, today will admit to its readers that the saga - of a little girl's published letters to her father serving in Iraq - was apparently an elaborate hoax perpetrated by a woman who claimed to be the girl's aunt.

In fact, the newspaper will report today, the man identified as the girl's father was never in Iraq, and it was the woman who apparently wrote the letters and regular columns that were published under the little girl's name - and even impersonated the girl in telephone interviews.

Students and faculty at the newspaper on Thursday were bracing for the reaction of readers who have been deeply touched at little Kodee Kennings' columns, full of earnest pleas for victory over Saddam Hussein and laced with precocious misspellings.

They were also pondering how it was that the girl and the woman became so close to newspaper staff members that no one thought to check out their story - even after the woman once showed up in the newsroom claiming to be not herself, but a twin sister.

"Looking back on it now, it makes so much sense. I don't know how I could have been such an idiot," said Michael Brenner, the former Daily Egyptian reporter who first wrote about Kodee, and then spent two years staying in contact as a close friend of her and her purported aunt and guardian, who said her name was Colleen Hastings.

Brenner now knows the names to be false, the friendship was a lie, and that hours of telephone interviews and conversations he thought he was having with the girl were actually with the woman. "I was thoroughly convinced."

The relationship between "Kodee"' and the Daily Egyptian started in spring 2003, when Brenner wrote a feature story about Kodee's pain at the departure of her father, identified as Dan Kennings, and includ

It's worse for those living in Iraq...Babies being born with their brains outside their head if even at all...Only two fingers on a hand...arms and legs missing...feet missing...Is this what Casey Sheehan died for? Is this freedom?

Radioactive Wounds of War

Matthew, 31, decided that since he’d spent much of his time in Iraq lugging around DU-damaged equipment, he’d better get tested too. It turned out he was the most contaminated of them all. Matthew immediately urged his wife to get an ultrasound check of their unborn baby. They discovered the fetus had a condition common to those with radioactive exposure: atypical syndactyly. [The right hand had only two digits.]

The pro-war Bushistas are trying to claim that any soldier who signs up for the military is only getting what they volunteered for. But no recruiter has ever told the soldiers that service in Iraq, in a war based on lies, will [inflict birth defects] on the children they will have later in life. [NO ONE volunteered for that.] And those deformed [innocent children] are victims of the Neocon agenda as much as any Iraqi child.

3. Ad Hominem
Latin for "to the man", this fallacy attacks the person, not the argument (A is biased, inexperienced, etc. so the argument is false). Any activist worth his or her salt should be quite familiar with the ad hominem. You can see it anytime someone is derided for listening to "liberal professors", or the "alternative media", or believing in "conspiracy theories". The danger of it is that it turns people against other viewpoints not for good rational reasons, but for emotional ones.
Some people think that an ad hominem is synonymous with an insult; it is not.
Examples:

"...you've written a trite, unimaginative, and to be honest, quite boring diatribe about OUR president. We've got legitimate news sources to provide those for us thank you very much. I'm sure you have some inside scoop, some secret source, unavailable to the average American as to why we should remove our troops from Iraq. I'm sure your sources of information are MUCH better than the president's and his staff's. I must have missed the news conference where you released this news-bomb to the press."
---Brent Cantrel, in a letter replying to a political piece published on the Electronic Sheep website (http://www.e-sheep.com)

(In other words, you're just a kid, you can't know anything, you aren't qualified to make an opinion, etc., etc.) It's interesting to analyze another reply posted on the site:

Your website sucks because your opinions suck. You sound like a butthead. By the way, "My mother, drunk or sober" is not a bad thing, it is similar to "In sickness and in health, for richer or for poorer", etcetera. [A reference to the George Orwell quote posted on the page: "'My country, right or wrong' is on the same moral level as 'my mother drunk or sober'".] I repeat, you are an asshole and your website sucks. Get a job and stop preaching bullshit.

This second reply is not an ad hominem. In the first case, the webmaster, and his supposed ignorance, is used to attack his arguments and opinions; in the second, the arguments and opinions are used to impugn the character of the webmaster. See the difference?
More examples of ad hominem are: "You just believe in Marxis

Its more like all piqs are equal
some pigs are more equal that others

Op-Ed from a Mississippi paper of all places.

Two things become painfully clear.

First, this administration is wholly unwilling to change course—even when they're obviously driving off a cliff. Second, and much more threatening to the outcome in Iraq, the president seems incapable of realizing mistakes.

He's entirely blind to error. His is the ultimate "faith-based" government. All decisions made by the president must be prima facie correct because he's made them.

Any seeming trouble in the world is merely a matter of faulty PR, easily fixed by some better way of making the case.

Surely this explains Karen Hughes' appointment to the State Department, tasked with creating "rapid response" teams to counter bad news and defend Bush's policies to the world.

Cowards change policies. Real leaders change minds.

This administration places all power and faith in spin and communications.

No matter the crisis, the solution is simply to find some more persuasive way to say the same things. Nothing is ever wrong with facts on the ground. Nothing ever needs adjustment. The American people must simply be better sold.

Well, the case has been made, and made yet again. Turns out America isn't buying. Americans see the Iraq mess as just that; a gargantuan mess of George Bush's making.

As we've learned from the draft Iraqi constitution, Americans are dying to establish not "freedom," but an Islamic republic severely curtailing the rights of women, a la Iran.

That is, assuming Iraq doesn't explode into all out civil war, an increasing likelihood. Is this what the American people signed on for when we were warned of mushroom clouds and WMDs wreaking carnage on American soil?

Something must change, but the president refuses to see this fact. He stood in front of the VFW in Utah and gave the same speech he's given for two years. In the words of Republican Chuck Hagel, "'stay the course' is not a policy."

Far from it. In fact, in the popular parlance of addiction, "doing the same thing over and over, expecting different

Check out my tax plan
http://www.texian.com/abw.html

4. Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc
"After this, therefore because of this." Correlation does not imply causation.

Examples: "I took some of those pills with a big glass of water and my headache went away. Homeopathic medicine really works!"

"We've removed prayer from the classroom, and juvenile crime has gone up. So, if we return prayer to the classroom, juvenile crime will go back down."

"Many convicted rapists enjoy pornography. Therefore, pornography must cause rape."

... notice the number of journalists involved and it is well known 90 percent of urnalists are liberal. That's the whole point, idiot.

Sitting on the back porch of her house wearing a maroon, long-sleeved Southern Illinois University shirt, her face flush from crying, Reynolds admitted she had pretended to be Colleen Hastings. She said Dan Kennings was invented, and those who met him had actually met a friend of hers who agreed to play the role.

She said, and the Tribune confirmed, that she was a broadcast journalism student at Southern Illinois. She graduated in 2004, putting her there alongside the very people she was deceiving.

Reynolds acknowledged the little girl actually is the daughter of friends, and said she persuaded the parents to let her bring the child regularly to Carbondale by saying she was filming a documentary about a soldier killed in Iraq.

"We told her it was for a movie," Reynolds said.

Reynolds said the scheme was Brenner's idea.

"Mike is my best friend," she said. "In the last couple of years, he's had a hard time with his career. He asked me if I would help him out. I said I would. It just got a little bigger than he told me it would. I went with it because supposedly he was my best friend. This needs to be over with. I don't want to lie anymore. He just wouldn't let it go."

5. Burden of Proof
The burden of proof is always on the claimant. Watch out for arguments where the burden of proof is shifted off.

Examples: "You can't disprove the existance of God, so you have to admit He could exist."

"Since you can't explain this, or this, or this, my theory about the September 11th disasters being a Jewish conspiracy must be correct."

6. False Dichotomy ("binary thinking")
"Either A or B." The fallacy here is that other options, a C, D, and maybe even an E, F, or G, are completely ignored. This is another particularly dangerous fallacy, but it is tempting because it appears to make things simpler. After all, if you can put everything in two terms, it makes it a lot easier to see which is the "right" one.

Examples: "Either you're with America, or you're with the terrorists."

"Are you a conservative or a liberal?"

"People have two sides, a masculine and a feminine. The masculine is tempestuous and warlike, while the feminine is kind, loving and nurturing."

Sylagism :

a. All Mackerel are fish

b. All fish live under water

Therefore,

c. All Mackerel live under water.

Bullshytagism:

a. All Mackerel are fish

b. All fish live under water

Therfore:

c. Trout Live in trees

d. If I buy Kippers it will not rain

e. You do not love me anymore

- Courtesy of Monty Python

7. Ad Verecundiam
The argument from authority. This is kind of like the opposite of the ad hominem: the defense of the argument is that the person offering it is an "expert."

Examples: "Hey, Iraq must have weapons of mass destruction. President Bush says so, and if anyone would know, it would be him."
A couple I heard personally: "This war against Iraq is just! I know my stuff. I protested the Vietnam War in Berkeley in the 60's!" (This lady was trying to establish her "activist cred", thinking that would allow her to laugh at us young upstarts. The argument, of course, is ludicrous: So, if you hadn't protested in the 60's, the Iraq War would not be just?)

"LSD forms crystals in your spinal fluid. My dad told me that, he's a doctor."

8. Argument by Analogy
The Argument by Analogy comes from comparing (at least) two things. If the second thing has one thing in common with the first thing, it must have another thing in common with it.

Examples: "Socialists believe health care should be run by the state. Liberals also believe health care should be run by the state. Therefore, liberals are socialists."

"Liberals and anarchists openly protest the War on Terror. Anarchists want the US government overthrown, so liberals must want that as well."

"Modern formal logic strives to attain the greatest possible exactness. This aim can be reached only by means of a precise language built up of stable, visually perceptive signs. Such a language is indispensable for any science...Every scientific truth, in order to be perceived and verified, must be put into an external form intelligible to everybody."

~Jan Lukasiewicz

Janine -
I'm a PhD in Rhetoric and Communication Studies. Wanted to weigh in immediately on your attempt to articulate the perversion of syllogistic reasoning / enthymeme by the right. Good going. Keep hammering on this. Rational argument is dying or dead in the public sphere and it is crucial to democracy.

I would however drop the thing about brain defects or chemical imbalance... ha ha... BUT -- DO MENTION The Authoritarian Personality -- this is a key. This is a theory of Theodore Adorno's.

Good going,
Dr. Becker

oh she didnt say bloodiest month for troops ever,She said this was the bloodiest month yet in Iraq,which mean everybodys dying by the truckload,they're having a clearence special on lives,everyone might go,the only way more people could have died is if they killed themselves,oops wait some of them did,thats part of the problem,another part of the problem,they like to be standing next to others when they do it,even a bigger part of the problem,George Bush makes the type of people who might consider doing something like that,consider it a whole more and a whole lot more seriously....not good,not good for wallstreet,baseball,prom,or moms apple pie...

The guys in my unit hated me, and made my life in the service hell. There's no way anyone goes back into combat just to protect other soldiers. I know from personal experience how stupid that is. If you'd been in the military you'd know how silly it is. Loyalty is a myth, everyone is out for themselves.

9. Begging the Question
"Begging the question" occurs when there is an unjustified assumption in the premises of an argument. The arguer should argue for the premises before stating the conclusion.

Examples: "We need to censor pornography on the internet to protect our children." (Assumption: children are harmed by viewing explicit material.)

"How dare you mock our troops by protesting the war? They're fighting for your right to protest!" (Two assumptions: The troops are fighting for our rights, and Protests mock the troops.)

"Since abortion is murder, and murder is illegal, abortion should be illegal, too."

10. Red Herring
The red herring fallacy has the following form:

1. Topic A is under discussion.
2. Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A).
3. Topic A is abandoned.
(from http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/red-herring.html)

Examples: "Why are there so many school shootings these days? We've lost our moral compass. Religion is completely removed from the classroom, and patriotism's almost gone, too. We're losing our cultural heritage."

"Hemp has hundreds of uses, and we could be using it to save our natural resources if it weren't for these big corporations. That's the problem with capitalism, it ultimately creates inefficiency."

Matthew, 31, decided that since he’d spent much of his time in Iraq lugging around DU-damaged equipment, he’d better get tested too. It turned out he was the most contaminated of them all. Matthew immediately urged his wife to get an ultrasound check of their unborn baby. They discovered the fetus had a condition common to those with radioactive exposure: atypical syndactyly. The right hand had only two digits.

"this" scotch & water is the same as "that" scotch & water

except "that" (john roberts) scotch & water is poison

conclusion: not all glasses of scotch & water are equal

Being "progressive" doesn't mean merely changing sources for news, it means looking at newsmedia in a different way...not as passive observer, but as active participant. Activists shouldn't just educate the citizens on important issues, but also on methods of analysis. True revolution comes from a change in attitudes.

Thanks to the internet, we now have loads of information at our fingertips and a powerful organizing tool. Thanks to a disastrous mix of events, we have an imperialist administration, crushing opposition at home and abroad.

We are at a turning point. What happens next depends on our creativity, reasoning, and innovation.

http://www.csuchico.edu/psu/archive/baloney.html

Ohioans in revolt against GOP sleaze

Half a million people in Ohio are so fed up with government corruption that they signed petitions to place four measures on the ballot in November aimed at curbing Republican one-party rule, which they blame for the pervasive sleaze.

Keary McCarthy, spokesman for Reform Ohio Now, told the World, “We submitted our petitions to the office of the secretary of state Aug. 9. The requirement to gain ballot status was 332,000 signatures. We submitted 521,000 signatures.”

Asked if voters were influenced by the multiple scandals that have engulfed Ohio’s Republican Gov. Bob Taft, McCarthy replied, “The corruption is on the front page of the newspapers across Ohio every day. It raises people’s awareness that we have a problem of money and politics. When one party dominates government for so long, you have no checks and balances.”

http://www.pww.org/article/articleview/7586/1/283/

That's the guilt-by-association fallacy. Nothing to do with syllogism.

C'mon, War Dog. It has been and continues to be documented over and over again that soldiers who have endured combat feel a loyalty to their comrades-in-arms before all else.

.... problem is, Casey had not seen combat before reenlisting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogism

"A metaphor, in contrast, resembles a form of syllogism called affirming the consequent, which is a logical fallacy:

Grass (B) dies (A).
Men (C's) die (A).
Men (C's) are grass (B)."

And then there is the Republican Syllogism:

George Bush is the president.
George Bush is a Republican.
George Bush is God.

Now you have to ask youself,why does George Bush hate,mom's apple pie?Did she use to shove piping hot ones up his ass as a child?

"I would however drop the thing about brain defects or chemical imbalance."

Well of COURSE you'd drop it, it's got to do with neurocognition and neurochemistry, which are hard sciences full of the dark mysteries of organic chemistry.

BOOGA BOOGA!

WHEEEEE!

The people who still support this bushco admin. are now traitors to the USA, FBI, and CIA. They support a LIE. They also most likely enjoy banging farm animals.

C'mon, War Dog. It has been and continues to be documented over and over again that soldiers who have endured combat feel a loyalty to their comrades-in-arms before all else.

.... problem is, Casey had not seen combat before reenlisting.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 26, 2005 09:39 PM

Casey had only been in theatre for 5 days he wasn't there b4

Bolton throws UN summit into chaos

Bush's envoy demands 750 changes to reorganisation plans

Julian Borger in Washington
Friday August 26, 2005

Guardian

John Bolton, Washington's new ambassador to the United Nations, has called for wholesale changes to a draft document due to go before a UN summit next month aimed at reshaping the world body.
Mr Bolton, a long-standing UN critic who was given a temporary appointment by George Bush three weeks ago after the United States Senate failed to agree on his nomination, has proposed 750 amendments to the draft and called for immediate talks on them.

The 29-page document has been drawn up by a committee under the UN general assembly president, Jean Ping of Gambia, over the past year, during which time several drafts have been circulated.

Critics complained that the US objections had come towards the end of the drafting process, with only three weeks to go before the summit.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5271125-110878,00.html

Well it is a sad day for all of MISSOURI....

Folks test-drive new voting systems
By Jo Mannies
Post-Dispatch Political Correspondent
08/26/2005

Estelle Polizzi tried her hand Thursday at the various new-fangled voting machines and came away declaring that she didn't care whether she casts her next ballot on an optical-scan or touch-screen device.

"To tell you the truth, I'd take it either way," said Polizzi, 95, as she left with an attendant to return to St. Agnes Home, 10341 Manchester Road.

Polizzi was among close to 200 would-be voters of all ages, and some with disabilities, who cast mock ballots on a variety of voting machines on display at the Meramec campus of St. Louis Community College.

The machines are among those being considered by St. Louis County election officials.

The impetus for the county and other area jurisdictions is the Dec. 31 deadline for complying with the federal Help America Vote Act. The act encourages jurisdictions to drop punch-card systems and provides close to $4 billion to help pay for the switch. Jurisdictions don't get that aid if they retain punch-card systems and would have to use their own money to pay for required changes.

Most of the counties in Missouri and Southern Illinois will have changed systems by next year's August elections. Most are adopting optical-scan systems that use special paper ballots that are scanned into computers to be counted. Touch-screen machines, which operate similar to bank ATMs, are more expensive.

I can say that, if he did not, he was the exception to the rule.

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 26, 2005 09:33 PM

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It that your theory about Vietnam???

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5000 soccer fans in Haiti witness machete and hatchet massacre by police and the new death squads

by Tom Luce with AUMOHD investigators

Dredging up fearsome memories of days thought to have gone by forever, eyewitnesses here in Port-Au-Prince have portrayed an unbelievable massacre-by-machete/hatchet rampage by red-shirted killers, backed up by the Haitian National Police (PNH), of up to 50 victims on Aug. 21 at a soccer field in Gran Ravin-Martissant. This summary, extra-legal execution follows similar type massacres in Bel Air and Solino earlier this month. This time the killings were done in plain daylight in front of and involving 5000 soccer fans, an incredibly bold assault by Haitian police and their civilian accomplices in the presence of troops from MINUSTAH. As has been the case this entire past year, the "targets" in Saturday's massacre, were all identified as "bandits", "Lavalas" scum (Rat pa caca).

Eyewitnesses described to a group of human rights agents today this super t.v. drama styled event. As fans were being entertained during one of the breaks in the soccer game--highly attended because national league players had joined the local teams--a group of police and men wearing red tee shirts and head bands entered the playing field and took over the microphone from the announcer. The people in the crowd at first thought that this was a friendly show of security by the police. But that idea was immediately dashed when the red shirt announcer stopped the music being played by the DJ and then demanded everyone to lay on the ground. A shot was fired into the air and people began a panicked response. Some tried to run away, some tried scaling the walls to escape and several of these were shot. Others tried running into the adjoining rooms of the stadium and later were found hacked to death. The red shirts, backed up by the police began demanding specific individuals lying on the ground if they were affiliated with Aristide, asking for confirmation from others whether these people were "bandits". Then without mercy these red shirts either hacked their victims to death or hacked them and then had their victims shot by the police. According to eyewitnesses and the family members

It's a wonderful time to be a soldier.

The fact is that we are not experiencing casualty rates anywhere near past conflicts, nor for that matter as bad as during peacetime. There were weeks in Vietnam when 350-400 Americans died, and in other wars thousands would die in single battles. Nothing like that is happening now.

    From 1983 to 1996, more than 18,000 soldiers died. That averages to more than 1,300 a year, far more than have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan each year. Yes, that was mostly from accidents, drunk driving and other mishaps. Yet, while protesters in Crawford, Texas and elsewhere would have you think that our military can't survive with the low casualty rates of this war, I wonder why they were willing to accept the much higher peacetime casualty rates of the past? We lost around 3,000 innocent people on September 11, and with four years of war and the toppling of two regimes, we haven't lost that many in combat.

Posted by: Nik E Poo at August 26, 2005 09:36 PM

lol!

trout live in trees, therefore bill o'reilly has a sheep in his head

the 1st part is true only if trout actually live in trees, or if trees is the word for water...

the 2nd part is not connected to the 1st, it is only a seminal explanation of why o'reilly is an asshole

Bolton was appointed in an illegal fashion. The President has the legal authority to fill a position only in emergencies, and only when those positione become open DURING a recess. Since the criminal partisans in our government refuse to protect our system of government and the rule of law, we have every right and reason to petition the UN to REJECT JOHN BOLTON! He is, after all, an imposter, a fraud, and a criminal, who does NOT represent the citizens of the United States of America.

Boy, Do you realize how much political time is wasted in this phony debate with the reactionaries claiming their bigotted "ideology" is superior? TOO MUCH. It crowds out the purpose of Government: Solving our everyday problems of living in community. Someday I choose to see this kind of non-debate over hate-speech and bigotry IN GOVERNMENT gone for good. It would be beautiful if our society of Citizens instructed Our Government to disallow all hate-mongering and bigotry from the election and governmental processes. No more claims that hate-mongering and bigotry, racism, sexism, discrimination based on any -ism, can piggyback its way into Government by being called "political ideology"! NO MORE! Now that's beauty. Before you call me daft, unrealistic, I direct you to this quote by a Great Democrat:

"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams." --Eleanor Roosevelt

(Remember Eleanor Roosevelt and FDR shared their ideals that governmental institutions should serve the people they represent. And Mrs. Roosevelt went on to enlarge that dream at the United Nations.)

It would be a BEAUTIFUL if bigotry and hate-mongering were no longer allowed to be tools to keep people down and government corrupted.

The recent exposure of Pat Robertson's hate-mongering and racism against our Latin neighbor, Venezuela's President Chavez, really proves it! And Robertson's blatant behavior gives us an opportunity that is beautifully unique. (I interject that taking these horrible things and turning them into opporunities that don't get missed -- that is not one of the strong abilities of the current Democratic apparatus or members....)

Pat Robertson is a hate-mongering bigot. This time we have the opportunity to make sure such a hate-mongering bigot no longer gets to pass himself off as a "Reverend" of a "Church" with tax-free status and preferential treatment. He's been passing himself off as a man of God too long, defrauding the country of taxes via his church-status. It's got to stop now. And this is an opportunity for permanent change in this country. This is a moment of phenomenal potential if we make it a turning point to save this country from further take-ove

I usually vote absentee anyway but i guess that won't even count now. Besides St.Louis is all dems, until next election

California Accuses Drug Companies of Fraud

The attorney general of California sued 39 drug companies on Thursday, accusing them of bilking the state of hundreds of millions of dollars by overcharging for medicines.

Mr. Lockyer said the drug manufacturers charged Medi-Cal as much as 10 times the price for some drugs as they charged others, like private pharmacies and hospitals.

PROGRAM your TV to block Fox News Channel

You've seen train wrecks before; you don't need to rubberneck.

God is love, love is blind, Ray Charles was blind, then Ray Charles was God.

Posted by: Reynaud at August 26, 2005 09:29 PM

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Then syllogistic logic works!!!

[...the military...]
Loyalty is a myth, everyone is out for themselves.

Posted by: Wart Hog at August 26, 2005 09:37 PM

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Thanks for this, I've been having trouble with the "loyalty" stuff all along.

On a side/similar note,police are said to have a pact of sorts among themselves, a pact of unity.
Although it's only one example, a friend dated a policeman, motorcycle sqad, and he told her they didn't trust one another, not in the least bit, but at all costs they stuck together.

Continued--

Pat Robertson is a hate-mongering bigot. This time we have the opportunity to make sure such a hate-mongering bigot no longer gets to pass himself off as a "Reverend" of a "Church" with tax-free status and preferential treatment. He's been passing himself off as a man of God too long, defrauding the country of taxes via his church-status. It's got to stop now. And this is an opportunity for permanent change in this country. This is a moment of phenomenal potential if we make it a turning point to save this country from further take-over by these bigots and thieves, who make political hate-mongering speech like this undercover of religion and political ideology.

Call for justice on this. Robertson's apology (in which he says it's still okay to kidnap -- yes, promoting KIDNAPPING!) is not enough for the law, and special "dispensation" in the real world for Robertson's actions shouldn't be tolerated. Let him get it from his "Gods" (God of Bigotry, God of Slavery for Diamonds, God of Fraud Called Religion, etc.), but not from our Government.

And, regarding Robertson's words about "Taking Out" somebody: Robertson claims "taking out" somebody does not include assassination. Now isn't it curious that a "Man of the Cloth" would use such a term, no matter what its exact meaning is -- let alone be an expert on the meaning of the term? Hmmmm. "Taking Out" someone is the language of thugs, crooks, gangs, thieves, criminals, the lawless. Hmmmm. Robertson's choice of language exposes who he is.

I'd like to suggest another way to use the words "taking out" and that's like this: It's time we should be taking Pat Robertson's church out of the tax-free status. If he's into advising his "flock" on how to effect political change via assassinations and kidnappings and "taking out" government leaders-- hasn't Robertson crossed a distinct line?!

Churches based on hating fellow human beings shouldnt be tax exempt.

Pat Robertson's apology should mean as little as if it had been some average John Doe apologizing for threatening the life of Pres. Bush--zilch.

Furthermore, because of Robertson's gigantic influence via the media and his religious power on so many peopl

""bitch" trancends gender" - Janeane Garofalo

You're right War Doofus...it is all about you...

Doesnt that suck that the swift boat people ruined the word swift for all time,that was a good word and because of them it has a stain imbrued upon it,swift justice,swift to action,get me a pizza and be swift about it,is the floor clean,yes I used the swiffer and I swiffed it good,let me get a swift puff off that.now you would want a swift anything.Those swift boat liars need a swift kick in their ass.

A little knowledge is dangerous Janeane. Your treatise on the use Syllogisms was inarticulate at best laced with non-sequitor examples.

Continued--

Furthermore, because of Robertson's gigantic influence via the media and his religious power on so many people, his words promoting assassination (and in his denial, promoting KIDNAPPING also!), he should be held to an even HIGHER standard! If Robertson's hate-speech is tolerated, it means our Government as run by the Bush Administration is not serious about controlling terrorism and securing national security. If a media Svengali like Pat Robertson can incite terrorism, what's next? This dangerous act by Robertson must be taken seriously, because it IS serious.

wouldnt want...oops wouldnt want

It that your theory about Vietnam???

Posted by: War Dog at August 26, 2005 09:43 PM

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It is not my theory about anything.

It is a repeatedly documented phenomenon.

Soldiers do not do what they do because they have bonded with Freedom, the president, Democracy, the flag, Mom or apple pie.

They do what they do because they are in support of their fellow soldiers.

Wanda has forced Janeane to go to 100% psychobabble..

Well, gotta bug out a little early tonight.

Really enjoyed the show and the blog.

Peaches, crackers and lou dog.

On the bright side, what can be hopelessly wrong in a world that can still produce a face like this?

Baby Myla Rae Seder

Posted by: nora at August 26, 2005 09:47 PM

Nicely put.

He's taken MORE VACATIONS THAN THE FRENCH

Privatizing the Truth: Bush's War on Information

Information is freedom; and that freedom is destined to become the province of the ruling class alone if the public fails to organize resistance.

//It's a wonderful time to be a soldier.//

yeah, especially for all those deserters, kicking back in walter reed

Bolton was appointed in an illegal fashion. The President has the legal authority to fill a position only in emergencies, and only when those positione become open DURING a recess. Since the criminal partisans in our government refuse to protect our system of government and the rule of law, we have every right and reason to petition the UN to REJECT JOHN BOLTON! He is, after all, an imposter, a fraud, and a criminal, who does NOT represent the citizens of the United States of America.

Posted by: JIK at August 26, 2005 09:46 PM

If you believe that crap you better go back many, many years and fault all the Presidents we have had for they have all made recess appointments under similar conditions as the Bolton appointment.

One day soon some wicked childe of the night will use a simple voice roll technique on TV or in a CD, and break the alphawave lock used on 25% of the population. Well, it's used on everyone, but only 25% are susecptible.

Good point Nora,how cant Blair in Britain decree,muslims speech is a threat to national security,because it might have negative outcomes like deathe,and because they support killin,and Bush support it,we arent Britian,for now we are supposed to have freedom of speech,but anything nowadays is a threat,so how can this double standard not Achilles heal these motherfucking basterds,or does it?

God is love, love is blind, Ray Charles was blind, then Ray Charles was God.
Posted by: Reynaud at August 26, 2005 09:29 PM
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Then syllogistic logic works!!!
Posted by: Anonymous at August 26
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Proof is required for an argument to hold water. The first 2 steps in your example lack proof and are faith based and thus the logic fails.

peaches

Hey SAM... you readin'?

If you IS...

http://tinyscreams.blogspot.com/

Gimme some FEEDBACK.

Same for all you NON-Sam people.

Ok, mabye not ALL of you, but MOST of you.

New Yorker Cartoon Caption

Judge addressing accused:

Crime does not pay -- at your level

They do what they do because they are in support of their fellow soldiers.

Posted by: Crank Bait at August 26, 2005 09:51 PM

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Up until it is time to rotate out..

Going back to the world..

Short..

If you are not with the program..

You are outta their..!

Projection??

I think so!

The first 2 steps in your example lack proof and are faith based and thus the logic fails.

Posted by: CaLuM at August 26, 2005 09:56 PM

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But...I heard it on the grape vine!

pear.s think of some of that like after midnight

He's taken MORE VACATIONS THAN THE FRENCH

Posted by: Anonymous at August 26, 2005 09:53 PM

He's taken more vacations than Chevy Chase.

It's not Faith BASED

it's Faith BIASED

Bolton was appointed in an illegal fashion. The President has the legal authority to fill a position only in emergencies, and only when those positione become open DURING a recess. Since the criminal partisans in our government refuse to protect our system of government and the rule of law, we have every right and reason to petition the UN to REJECT JOHN BOLTON! He is, after all, an imposter, a fraud, and a criminal, who does NOT represent the citizens of the United States of America.

Posted by: JIK at August 26, 2005 09:46 PM
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I like this!

I also have a many part question. How many times has Bush used the Executive Order? What were the uses? Has he used it more than any other President? Is this the real reason he wants to pack the Courts -- so when his overuse of the Executive Order has crossed one too many lines, the Courts will back him on it, essentially making him a dictator by judicial ruling?

Help me out on this, experts!

Great show! JG was terrific!

Damn, you people are just plain LOST IN TH' SWUFT!

Look, you.

The extreme polarities of a bullet to the head or a scented pink note asking people to be nice are all well and good for socipaths and Grandma Agnes - but what if you're just PISSED OFF and READY TO RUMBLE, not in a crazed killing frenzy, or somewhat miffed?

Accountability comes in many forms.

Go where they eat, and make them lose their lunches.

Cover them with liquid and semi-liquid glory of your choice. RUIN their night, and mabye get busted for a misdemeanor.

Crazy glue their office doors shut. Glue pennies over the locks on their car doors.

ACCOUNTABILTY NEED NOT BE PAID IN BLOOD, IT CAN BE PAID IN PISS AND CHEAP PERFUME AND ENDLESS IRRITATION. IT CAN BE PAID IN SLEEPLESS NIGHTS AND RUINED SUITS.

MAKE

THEM

PAY!!!

I also have a many part question. How many times has Bush used the Executive Order? What were the uses? Has he used it more than any other President? Is this the real reason he wants to pack the Courts -- so when his overuse of the Executive Order has crossed one too many lines, the Courts will back him on it, essentially making him a dictator by judicial ruling?

Help me out on this, experts!

Posted by: nora at August 26, 2005 10:00 PM

I'll help you out. Pick a different track to sniff. That one is a dead ender.

You might have thought that being a rightard Elmer Fudd moron was all bad. Obviously it's an endless nightmare for everyone else who has to live among them, but surprisingly there are some positive benefits of being an Elmer.

* Nobody will ever kill you for knowing too much.

* You get lots of vacations from your fast food "manufacturing" job because defense lawyers love you idiots for jury duty.

* Massive head trama will never result in brain injury.

* Sheep can't tell you "No."

* If you have a pet, brother, or sister that runs slower than you, you can always have sex when you want it.

* To escape from paying child support, all you have to do is put the tires back on your house and drive away.

* Beer, cigarets, and crack cocaine is a good weight loss diet.

* George W. Bush is proof that some day even you can become President thanks to Diebold.

* You have your very own "news" network created just for you which makes sure you always see nothing but good news happening around the world. You also get to see that the rest of the world really loves Americans and everything America stands for in the world.

Up until it is time to rotate out..

Going back to the world..

Short..

Posted by: Anonymous at August 26, 2005 09:57 PM

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You should reed more.

Walter Reed.

Listening to Rush Limbaugh ain't gonna teach you nuthin' about military psychology.

* Massive head trama will never result in brain injury.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 26, 2005 10:05 PM

hehe ... good one!

vigorously rubbing his magic lantern to a glow of full consciousness

Iraq constitution talks end in discord

Constitution to proceed to referendum, raising fears of escalating conflict

BAGHDAD - Iraq’s Shiite and Kurdish leaders decided Friday to send an amended constitution to parliament this weekend, even though Sunni Arab negotiators said they rejected the latest document. Bypassing the Sunnis would be a blow to U.S. efforts to lure Sunnis away from the insurgency.

Unless reversed, the decision, announced by several Shiite officials after daylong negotiations, would set the stage for a bitter fight across the country. Shiites and Kurds will encourage their people to vote for the charter in the Oct. 15 referendum with Sunnis lobbying just as strongly against it.

THIS is what you've been bragging
about for three weeks -- War Dog ????

You haven't lived until you've watched G. Gordon Liddy go ballistic over a little silly-string.

Some people have NO sense of humor, which of course makes them HILARIOUS.

Oh... my Son made a 60 yard touchdown... with a broken arm!

Army recruiters go anywhere near him and I'm gonna break THEIR fucking arms! Small town. I've TOLD them that!

how cant Blair in Britain decree,muslims speech is a threat to national security,because it might have negative outcomes like deathe,and because they support killin,and Bush support it,we arent Britian,for now we are supposed to have freedom of speech,but anything nowadays is a threat,so how can this double standard not Achilles heal these motherfucking basterds,or does it?

Posted by: daniel at August 26, 2005 09:55 PM

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Hi Daniel, I need to do some research. I need to get clear the difference between inciting to crime speech and freedom of speech. Surely there is a distinction. But I must research it.

But, experts amongst the bloggers...I don't even know where to begin to find out about Bush's use of the Executive Order. Help! A mere hint!

(I know the Bolton appointment wasn't an Executive Order, but it is a little version of by-passing Congress over a clearly controversial appointee and that's why it is questionable; that was not a case of mere expedient appointment housekeeping. There was controversy and so Bush's act was arrogant and contrary to protocol and UNACCEPTABLE!)

Unless reversed, the decision, announced by several Shiite officials after daylong negotiations, would set the stage for a bitter fight across the country. Shiites and Kurds will encourage their people to vote for the charter in the Oct. 15 referendum with Sunnis lobbying just as strongly against it.

THIS is what you've been bragging about for three weeks -- War Dog ????

Posted by: Fishgrease at August 26, 2005 10:08 PM

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Actually I was thinkin of something more like this!

31 Min ago...!

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Iraqis have 'deal in principle'
27 August 2005

BAGHDAD: Iraqi leaders have reached a "deal in principle" on a draft constitution, the speaker of parliament said today, but no accord was yet clinched and a final decision would only be clear tomorrow.

Hajim al-Hassani, a Sunni, said that negotiators from the Shi'ite majority had proposed a number of amendments to an existing draft to meet Sunni demands; Sunni leaders had yet to give a definite response, he said, but the amendments did deal with those issues which were troubling the Sunnis.

Sunni party leaders were not immediately available for comment after talks that stretched late into the night.

If there were no agreement by Sunday there would definitely be no further discussion, Hassani said, and a final draft based on Shi'ite and Kurdish proposals would be put to October's referendum without the support of the Sunni delegates.

"There is a deal in principle," he said. "Today we had a response from the Shi'ites. Tomorrow the Sunnis are going to meet and we expect a response on Sunday," he said.

"Definitely on Sunday. . . we will either announce an agreement but if their (the Sunnis') response is negative we will go to the referendum anyway."

The compromise from the Shi'ites concerned federalism, among other things.

War Dog is hot for his beloved president, but in a manly way.

bleah!

~~~ Actually I was thinkin of something more like this! ~~~

Mine's more recent.

AND more accurate!

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"This is the end of the road," Kubba told Al-Arabiya television. "In the end, we will put this constitution to the people to decide."

Failure to win Sunni endorsement of the draft would be a major embarrassment for President Bush, who telephoned a top Shiite leader, Abdul-Aziz al-Hakim, and urged him to make compromises with the Sunnis to keep them on board.

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Go ahead, Dog. Tell me this is everything you were hoping for. Your boy Bush is turning out to be a chronic underachiever! Close enough for government work eh?

Go ahead, Dog. Tell me this is everything you were hoping for. Your boy Bush is turning out to be a chronic underachiever! Close enough for government work eh?

Posted by: Fishgrease at August 26, 2005 10:19 PM

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Let's see what the morning brings..

I would really like to see them reach an agreement with the Sunnis..

Yet life goes on..

Plan A or Plan B..

Their choice.

But if Plan C is we pull out..

It ain't on the table at all..