*
Spoing!

for Dada!

*

"How much wealth does any person need?"

Posted by: DurangoKid at July 27, 2005 07:55 PM

And this begs...who or what should decide? And more importantly why?

Posted by: Anonymous at July 27, 2005 08:01 PM

How about democracy? We could try that. Institute a 100% tax on everything over $200k except that which is given to charity. A real charity, not some trumped up give-away to trade associations, PAC's, or trading cash between relatives, etc.

say WOOT WOOT, conbo!!!

http://www.americansforfairtrade.org

The point about the negative impact on American citizens is stronger than any claim of negative impact on Mexicans. At least Sam has not truly made the point. The 2nd caller made a good point and Sam did not adequately rebut him. If people are working in a factory for $0.92 cents a day and you go down and offer them more identical jobs how does that hurt them? Sam's stuff about "if they did that to you in Arizona ..." really doesn't cut it.

Today, the Millennium Challenge Corporation is signing a five-year, $175 million compact with the Republic of Nicaragua.

Which is EXACTLY the problem of early days of capitalism. Pure capitalism is corrosive. It doesn't care about people/environment. ...

Those small third world countries hasn't reached the level of social development to deal with corrosive anture of pure capitalism.

Posted by: wanda at July 27, 2005 07:59 PM

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First---The difference between the early days of capitalism and today's capitalism is government regulation. The capitalists haven't grown a conscience. Their goals are short term without any concern whatsoever for anything other than profit. Even fines don't spook 'em if the fines can be balanced as a part of the risk in pursuit of the profit.

Second---Third world countries face the same difficulties with industrialization that the U.S. did and does.

The only difference is that they have our history of mistakes as a reference. (not that it will force them to do the "right" thing)

This guy is right on the money!

Please read or get the audio book of Lakoff's "Don't Think of an Elephant." It will show you how effective the Republicans are in the use of language and how poorly the Dems are at this.

Instead of right wing republicans we need to find a new descriptor, such as anti-middle class Republicans greedy Republicans ..something that ties Republicans to their actual policies and plans..

good show Sam.

Consider this. What happens to the debt ridden middle class when wages fall and jobs leave? What happens to the mortages and car payments? What happens when the bankruptcy laws clamp down on borrowers? This CAFTA ain't gonna be pretty.

when it comes to Sam meltdowns of the radio...the SonderKommando show is the best ( also known as the louis-louis incident),

that sfternoon he was subbing for Randi. man that was off the hook!

Tom Noe, the Republican Operative responsible for the coin-gate scandal in Ohio, "WILL WALK" if charges are not filed by July 31, 2005.

War is for Whores [A Tale In Warning of War Lust, Blood Greed, and Ultra-Nationalist Assholes]
by Lee Paxton (July 2005)

War is for whores! More accurately put, wars are games played by wealthy older men using the lives of poorer younger men as their pawns in a bloody chess game for power and control. And where doth your ass stand in this never ending butthole battle? Hopefully not with the rectal drones of mankind, nor with the general genital slime, but rather with the butt trumpeters of dawn, who yearn and chime for a new age without the whores of warfare.

Now let me telleth you the story of a war so skanky and scandalous that you may shit your pants in amazement. It all began when the Land of Dirty Buttholes challenged the Land of Stinky Sphincters to a duel in the World's Smelliest Ass Competition, and won the great rectal-wind showdown after all but one judge was killed from a massive burst of flatulence. The Land of Stinky Sphincters protested the decision of the one remaining judge, but it was to no avail since no one at the International Assholes Committee cared to have the raunchy rectal showdown repeated. So, in protest, the Land of Stinky Sphincters boycotted all commerce and goods from the Land of Dirty Buttholes, yet they still refused to give up the trophy. Instead, the Land of Dirty Buttholes decided to allow acts of terrorism against the Land of Stinky Sphincters, since the boycott was crippling their economy. They decided to let their Butt Pirates go after ships from the Land of Stinky Sphincters, and lots of precious booty was plundered! The Land of Stinky Sphincters became enraged by the acts of terrorism, so the old farts in the government declared War on the Land of Dirty Buttholes, and in turn, the old farts in the government of Dirty Buttholes declared war on the Stinky Sphincters.

The Butthole Battle raged on for many years, millions of people lost their lives in brutal combat, and the economies of both nations were in dire straits (and I don't mean the band, or even The Band for that matter!). Both lands were decimated by the ongoing conflict. Soon, all who were left to fight the War were the elite die-hard soldiers on both sides. Now it

There is no question I am inclined toward Milton Friedman but I am a fan of McConnell/Brue as a foundation.

If you'd like to continue this N, I'm happy to do so - but gotta jet for about 15-20 mins.

Here's a preconception - I may predict you "might" follow my post with a "see the troll ran off" declaration.

Posted by: quantumspin at July 27, 2005 08:09 PM

no, no, no... *great* show

This show is funny. One day they discuss Sam's fictional smiley-face-painted rock. The next day it's on point.

The only difference is that they have our history of mistakes as a reference. (not that it will force them to do the "right" thing)

Posted by: Crank Bait at July 27, 2005 08:09 PM

right, which is exactly the point. Most of those third world countries does not have sufficient regulation to protect their people to some form of industrial developments...

CONTINUED

The Butthole Battle raged on for many years, millions of people lost their lives in brutal combat, and the economies of both nations were in dire straits (and I don't mean the band, or even The Band for that matter!). Both lands were decimated by the ongoing conflict. Soon, all who were left to fight the War were the elite die-hard soldiers on both sides. Now it was time for them to finally face each other in direct combat at the Battle of Butthole Hill.

The Battle of Butthole hill began when Jimmy Crapped-Corn-And-I-Don't-Care passed gas along the other land's flag, all hell broke loose as a goose and pop goes the weasel too, and the battle raged on and on to the break of dawn. The infamous Dirty Buttholes Brigade was situated on top of the hill, blasting away the Stinky Sphincter Squadron as they tried to storm up the hill. General Butt Mustard was in charge of the Stinky Sphincter Squadron, and he kept shouting, "Take that damn hill at all costs, you sonsabitches!" The leader of the Dirty Buttholes Brigade was none other than the famed General Gaping Holes McMurphy, and he was equally as talented and determined to keep the hill at all costs.

Both sides fired seemingly endless rounds at each other as dead bodies began piling up everywhere. The ranks on each side began thinning out, as their marching bands played on in the background. Soon, General Butt Mustard looked around and noticed that all of his soldiers were dead, and that he was the only one left on his side. Right at that same moment, General Gaping Holes McMurphy realized that he too was the only one left on his side. Both opposing bands played on in the background, but they were unarmed, and besides, for the most part they were band wusses anyway. The bands refused to fight each other, and they just kept right on playing their separate tunes in the background. After getting furious at his band, General Butt Mustard decided to take "Butt Mustard's Last Stand", and he charged up the hill to try and win the war himself. General Gaping Holes McMurphy was waiting for him on top of the hill, and as soon as he saw General Butt Mustard, he shot him right between the eyes (and right between the thighs for

GO SAM!

our weak-minded image-driven country is now ruled by the republican image-masters

i opposed NAFTA

when it came up for

the same reasons i oppose

CAFTA. when it first came out it

actually had some small biz advantages

by the time it went through all the changes

it did'nt even resemble the original proposal

CONTINUED

General Gaping Holes McMurphy was waiting for him on top of the hill, and as soon as he saw General Butt Mustard, he shot him right between the eyes (and right between the thighs for good luck). Realizing he had just single-handedly won the war for his side, Gaping Holes McMurphy did a wild dance of glee, and then accidently fell back on his bayonet and stabbed himself to death!

After seeing both their Generals killed in such gruesome ways, the two bands faced each other and began playing different tunes loudly against one another. After a few hours, they realized this wasn't going anywhere, and the leaders of both bands met each other in the center of the field and talked it over. After discussing things, they both found a song both sides knew and loved, "Hang On Poopy, Poopy Hang On", and the butt trumpets blasted, "Fart! Fart! -- Fart! Fart! -- Fart! Fart! -- Fart! Fart!"

The War was Over, and Peace had finally come. A peaceful way and philosophy soon spread across the land, and everyone sang, "Hang On to Sri Poopy, to Sri Poopy Hang On! Yeah, YEAH! Yeah, YEAH, Yeah, YEAH, YEAHH!"

"The End"

you think sam is pissed?

come on...he's nowhere near the Lou Pinella meltdown. he hasn't kicked his hat, let alone thrown homeplate into right field!

Posted by: ۞ĈħůБъ��p;#1645;ߦamp;#944;Бъǻ۞ at July 27, 2005 07:59 PM

-------It was a privilege to hear Sam take on LOU. A PRIVILEGE!

Do you think W is going to link Iraq to the tent pole incident

Posted by: ??????ÿ?ß????? at July 27, 2005 08:04 PM

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I've been wondering about this. It's kind of weird.

http://www.btlonline.org/

http://www.americanfreepress.net/

personally, I'm of the inclination of the Count Dracula Economic Model--suck the blood out of everything and everyone, and then get a stake through the heart.

yupper

when you own and control the media

a free press disappears and you have propaganda...

Gutnicht story goes wide across web:

Gutknecht to vote against CAFTA

Fort Wayne News Sentinel, IN - 6 minutes ago

Akron Beacon Journal, OH - 6 minutes ago

Fort Worth Star Telegram, TX - 6 minutes ago

Biloxi Sun Herald, USA - 8 minutes ago

Duluth News Tribune, MN - 8 minutes ago

Kentucky.com, KY - 11 minutes ago

Kansas City Star, MO - 13 minutes ago

I've been wondering about this. It's kind of weird.

Posted by: Meg at July 27, 2005 08:13 PM

the al quiada/boy scout lightning strike connection?

of couse your thinking about it, everyone is thinking about it!

CAFTA is a symptom of a crisis in capitalism. All systems that grow at a percentage eventually reach a point in the growth curve called the "knee". At that point the system crashes. Capitalism is despirate for continued "growth". The real crisis will hit when global capitalism finally saturates the globe. Where will they go from there but down?

"If you'd like to continue this N, I'm happy to do so - but gotta jet for about 15-20 mins."

Naw I save such declarations for one particular troll.

lol.

Sam is a bruiser tonite.

It's one thing to rebut the claim that NAFTA would *raise* the standard of living in Mexico by pointing out that it is merely creating *more* jobs at the going rate.

Saying so does not actually amount to an indication that the people are not benefitted. It's always *some* kind of benefit to have more jobs at the going rate.

The overheated rhetoric about overheated working conditions really only makes the much weaker point about lack of *big benefit*.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 27, 2005 08:04 PM

This has to do with not taking care of our "homeland" interest concerning our jobs and welfare of OUR economy. This bill is strictly for the "corporate" (billionare corp.) interests. There is a long track record of an adverse effect on our jobs with such movements by the 1% Neo-Con or not. Let's just try to look at our best interests for once.

If you want to help the poor people in Central America, keep your greedy hands off of their government and resources, Massa.

Posted by: Exhausted Blogger at July 27, 2005 08:15 PM

:)

!

It's one thing to rebut the claim that NAFTA would *raise* the standard of living in Mexico by pointing out that it is merely creating *more* jobs at the going rate.

Saying so does not actually amount to an indication that the people are not benefitted. It's always *some* kind of benefit to have more jobs at the going rate.

The overheated rhetoric about overheated working conditions really only makes the much weaker point about lack of *big benefit*.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 27, 2005 08:04 PM

This has to do with not taking care of our "homeland" interest concerning our jobs and welfare of OUR economy. This bill is strictly for the "corporate" (billionare corp.) interests. There is a long track record of an adverse effect on our jobs with such movements by the 1% Neo-Con or not. Let's just try to look at our best interests for once.

Hi SJ

How many gangsters does it take to screw a worker?

Posted by: DurangoKid at July 27, 2005 08:06 PM

My good God sir, that is one of the most idiotic things I have ever read in my entire life! I can hardly respond to it.

You think cafta is bad. Set up that economic model and see what happens.

Wow! literally, I have never heard such crazy talk.

oh SAM!!!

you are SO sexy when you get pissed!

great show.

as usual.

Sam, what planet are you living on? Hillary has been part of the DLC since it started. Her hubbie is a founding member.

Who or what is Gutnicht?

hey, at least someone is going to make some money off of the second season of _tripping the rifts_

It might as well be AAR

Life is not so great in china either. They have the highest suicide rate in the world.

Check it out http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2004/07/25/2003180349

SECRET TOXIC WEAPONS TRANSPORTS EXPOSED

By John Tiffany

Anti-depleted uranium (DU) activists, who have been fighting for more than a year to prevent the renewal of a special “hazmat” exemption for the deadly substance, scored a big win recently when the Department of Transportation (DOT) announced its intent to let the special exemption lapse. The exemption permits the movement of highly toxic, radioactive DU on the highways without a DOT “radioactive” warning placard being displayed on the secret shipments.

The DOT’s Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration announced plans to phase out the exemption over the next two years, transitioning to full compliance with hazardous materials regulations. The special exemption, technically known as DOT-E 9649, was first set up in 1986 and has been renewed on a biennial basis ever since.

The decision is important because the military has consistently denied that DU is toxic or a hazardous substance. The fact that the government now agrees with anti-DU activists is a major step in validating the belief that DU is behind a number of unexplained illnesses affecting U.S. soldiers and civilians in and around battlefields and a series of birth defects afflicting their offspring.

Sam, Don't forget to mention that buried in CAFTA is the Codex provision, which will essentially ban vitamins and herbs, and will be only available by a prescription, owned and run by pharmaceuticals. Vitamin companies and health food stores will be put out of business.

http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2005/tst071805.htm

nah,

all those assembly jobs that were in mexico are draining off to india and asia. and the wages and conditions in mexico were awful.

CAFTA opposition -- too little, too late!

The US is still run by the corporatocracy in Rep and Dem clothing.

It matters naught that Human Rights, the Environment, Labour Law, are all in jeopardy the Dem clones of the right wing nuts have already been paid to genuflect to the corporate agenda.

Expect more out-sourcing, more off-shoring, more immigrant labour, more contract work and less unionism.

In other words the streets await your presence in very large and on-going numbers.

eya EB

only one if he standing on enough peoples necks...

Wow! literally, I have never heard such crazy talk.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 27, 2005 08:17 PM

Do you make more than $200k? What sort of hardship would it impose on you? Why are stinking rich people necessary? Are they smarter or do they posess magical powers? Why this awe and fawning over the rich?

The Passion for Free Markets

by Noam Chomsky

Z Magazine

May, 1997

My bad!! My bad!!

That wasn't the stupid CAFTA vote I saw... I can barely see this crappy streaming C-Span video...

Oy. My bad. =(

personally, I'm of the inclination of the Count Dracula Economic Model

Posted by: Exhausted Blogger at July 27, 2005 08:15 PM

I like the Night Of The Living Dead Model. That's where you kill everyones job, resurrect them as poorly paid jobs elsewhere and make you're employees eat braaains...

The "American passion for free trade" entails that the US government may violate trade agreements at will.

My bad!! My bad!!

That wasn't the stupid CAFTA vote I saw... I can barely read the text on this crappy streaming C-Span video...

Oy. My bad. =(

*Now I'm wondering wtf they just voted on...*

Who or what is Gutnicht?

Good night

right, which is exactly the point. Most of those third world countries does not have sufficient regulation to protect their people to some form of industrial developments...

Posted by: wanda at July 27, 2005 08:12 PM

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Right. They don't. Neither does the U.S.

When you can figure out a way to legislate against corruption in the quest for wealth, you will be able to legislate against human and environmental exploitation.

In the meantime, the possibility of the acquisition of wealth will supercede all other concerns. At best, the other concerns will lag behind wealth like a subserviant wife.

Oh lord, please don't let Hillary run. I like her, but there is no way she could win. She's already swimming to the center. She wussed out on the Bankruptcy vote (even after she told Elizabeth Warren that this would be one of her core issues), she doing all this crazy Grand Theft Auto stuff. She's not going to win over moderates because most people slightly to the right HATE HER (for no good reason, but they still vote).

Bankruptcy Bill And Joe Biden Are Evil

http://jollybuddah.mydd.com/story/2005/3/4/95845/91478

Rabbi Sam has morphed into Seething Seder.

Go Baby.

Moving jobs to other countries and and underpaying people is "helping" them as much as it helps America to build another WalMart.

The problem with the Democratic Party?

Oh, where do I begin?

Hey Sam - just called all my reps and told them to vote against CAFTA.

What is called "free trade" has highly protectionist elements. What is at issue are investor rights agreements, not free trade.

:)♥

Who or what is Gutnicht?

Posted by: Meg at July 27, 2005 08:18 PM

I'd guess a Germanic varient of "Gute Nacht"?

Sam, the DLC is the party. All the big corporate donors are DLC'ers. All the big money comes from the DLC.

So this is not a period of free trade, it's a period of greater regulation of trade.

The United States is extreme in this regard.

Joe Biden isn't Evil. He gets a pass because he represents Delaware, and he would never be able to win if he didn't vote for that bill. Check out your wallet and see how many of your credit cards come from his home state. Trust me, the guy they would send in his place would be 1000000 times worse.

there's the beef then. wages are actually going down in Mexico.

And though he may not have mentioned it yet, the DLC was founded by Democrats for Nixon.

The christoClintons, corporateGore, IsraelUberAllesLieberman . . . all of them prostratebefore the altar of Jesu-Imperial-Capitalism . . .

Right. They don't. Neither does the U.S.

Posted by: Crank Bait at July 27, 2005 08:22 PM

not some sort of abstract idea about accumulation of wealth. But worker protection. (safety, wage level, environment etc.)

Don't forget that the commodities that put the rural farmers out of work were subsidized by your taxes. The corn sent to Mexico was sold at below the cost of production in the US, let alone Mexico.

A new political party PLEASE!

So nice I posted twice

Is it too late to join the Whig Party?

Sam, the DLC is the party. All the big corporate donors are DLC'ers. All the big money comes from the DLC.

Posted by: AlanSmithee, Nobel Prize Nominee at July 27, 2005 08:23 PM

WRONG! Dean raise more money than during DLC'er reign.

Who or what is Gutnicht?

Posted by: Meg at July 27, 2005 08:18 PM

The last MN representative to take a stance on CAFTA. He's a republican from down Rochester way. We've been after him for weeks to vote NO on CAFTA and he just announced he's vote NO maybe 30 minutes ago.

Your elected representatives don't even bother to read what they're voting for.

CAFTA opposition -- too little, too late!

This is a divide and conquer ploy by US business to bring about FTAA for both continents.

Chile has already caved in; the silly bastards.
The Andean congress is still a hold out as is the Brazilian led Mercosud? but the jackals are sharpening their knives and the CIA is in training to assassinate the main opposition.

Expect Luna and Chavez to bite the dust real soon.

Posted by: AlanSmithee, Nobel Prize Nominee at July 27, 2005 08:21 PM

that model works just fine! I'd like to see if we can have a sequel with Freddie Kruger as the CEO.

People are not happy to get starvation wage jobs in central america. They would probably still like to have the lands they were forced off of. Starting the new world slave order helps no one.

A new political party PLEASE!
Posted by: edna ellen poe at July 27, 2005 08:25 PM

An excellent idea! The Dems are on the inside what the Repugs are on the outside. It's about frickin' time we had another choice.

....

High impact show. I love it. MR is rolling.

I think it's ok to take money from corporations, but i think that you promise them a stronger economy, one where everyone can afford their goods, not by offering them central american slave labor

I wish Janeane could have told that Chavez woman to kiss her fat ass!
I don't know about you, but I never tire of that sort of interview technique!

She's not going to win over moderates because most people slightly to the right HATE HER (for no good reason, but they still vote).

Posted by: hrvat64 at July 27, 2005 08:22 PM

-----------------------------------------

I guess this would be a bad time to mention my Clinton/Fonda idea, eh?

DLC is nothing more than repugs claiming to be Dem's

Has everybody called yet?

1-877-SOB-USOB

A new political party PLEASE!

Posted by: edna ellen poe at July 27, 2005 08:25 PM

Yes!

So this is not a period of free trade, it's a period of greater regulation of trade.

The United States is extreme in this regard.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 27, 2005 08:24 PM

I don't know I see an awful lot of cronyism favoring particular corps, an awful lot of favoritism to the large corps over the small...

The company over the individual...that sort of thing...

Can you explain to me how these crony deals can be good for any economy?

Can you explain to me how natural market forces could possibly disallow this cronyism?

Hey! It's working. The 877-SOB-USOB is busy

I'm calling - NO ONE'S ANSWERING!

Has anybody else had trouble getting through to congress yet? I called my rep at her direct line, and I got an answering machine (I left a message). Then I called the 1-877-SOB-USOB number, and got no answer. The phone just rang and rang and rang. Anybody else have that happen? Did they just quit answering the phone?!

My Senators are Jim Bunning and Mitch McConnell.

Calling them, pickeing, letter writing...none of it does any good here.

Or in most places with Republican representatives actually.

They DON'T HEAR US because THEY DON'T CARE.

I hope the red-staters are starting to 'get' that.

-Chuck

BlackWednesday.org

A new political party PLEASE!

Ralph Nader showed you the way.

His latest book "The good Fight" spells it all out.

Lib/Dem and neo con/Reps are clones of each other; a duopoly that must go down.

What is it about Naderism that is so anathema to US voters?

i called my rep. i have dennis hastert's number programmed in my phone.

me too.

no answer now here.

call more than once and it will forward u ecventually monk

I guess this would be a bad time to mention my Clinton/Fonda idea, eh?

Posted by: Crank Bait at July 27, 2005 08:29 PM

You get the Christian Hippie vote from Fonda, and the PMRC corporate vote from Hillary! Brilliant! Watch out Nader. Maybe the Craziest Baldwin could come to the Dem convention and ask people which VP candidate has the most faith?

I have already called my rep. and my two senators, to vote against CAFTA, 3 New Hampshire Repubs they are, so outside of well, "maybe" Representative Jeb BRADLEY, they ALL will probably vote FOR CAFTA.

Sam, did you mean that HILLARY CLINTON, was once again cozying up to the ANTI Democratic Party TRAITORS, in the DLC, just recently? SHE is far more "Centrist" to Conservative Democrat than her charming ways let on. Maybe even, albeit 09/11-ALLOWING, National SECURITY ADvisor, now of course(PROMOTED TO) Sec. of State Condi RICE-even, might have more MODERATE Views on some issues, than Hillary does. Sad but true.

That's a problem with pure economic libertarianism right? Somebody (somehow) gets everything, then they can extort everyone. The end.

Like Sam sad to the guy from phoenix. He is free to take his business where ever he wants to. But the US people are not under obligation to help him do it . We already give enough to corps in tax breaks etc.

By the way, if you blog dorks aren't calling I think you should find a new place to hang out on your lonely weeknights. There are a million chatrooms to hang out in - this one should require a little participation in something other than banter now and then.

FX. lets capatilize on war!!!

How exactly do you deal with monopolies?

Too much of the regulations that do exist favor these monopolies...

Consider cable for instance...Now nationally there are a number of providers...but locally how many choices do you have?

How much competition is involved in that deal?

I don't much disagree with friedman save that he denies the dark side of human nature and paints an idealists view.

There's a falsehood going around that people in Central America and other mal-developed countries don't mind working for less. Wages are so low in some free trade zones, etc. that a whole days wages barely buys enough food for a family for one day. This makes many vulnerable to loan sharks or other schemes to soak the poor. Many of these workers live without clean water, sewage services, paved streets, safe housing, etc. CAFTA will make this worse still.

I guess this would be a bad time to mention my Clinton/Fonda idea, eh?

Posted by: Crank Bait at July 27, 2005 08:29 PM

Morophine, give him the morephine!

(that should quiet him down)

If you cannot reach 1-877-SOB-USOB

find your rep phone here.

http://clerk.house.gov/members/

http://clerk.house.gov/members/

http://clerk.house.gov/members/

http://clerk.house.gov/members/

http://clerk.house.gov/members/

What is it about Naderism that is so anathema to US voters?

Posted by: CaLuM at July 27, 2005 08:31 PM

Fear!

>>Morophine, give him the morephine!

either one would be fine.

If you cannot reach 1-877-SOB-USOB

find your rep phone here.

http://clerk.house.gov/members/

http://clerk.house.gov/members/

http://clerk.house.gov/members/

http://clerk.house.gov/members/

http://clerk.house.gov/members/

If you cannot reach 1-877-SOB-USOB

find your rep phone here.

http://clerk.house.gov/members/

http://clerk.house.gov/members/

http://clerk.house.gov/members/

http://clerk.house.gov/members/

http://clerk.house.gov/members/

A new political party PLEASE!

Ralph Nader showed you the way.

His latest book "The good Fight" spells it all out.

Lib/Dem and neo con/Reps are clones of each other; a duopoly that must go down.

What is it about Naderism that is so anathema to US voters?

Posted by: CaLuM at July 27, 2005 08:31 PM
------

You'll get your wish. The Republicans have a split coming in their party too. But poor Ralph just nees to stay in the shadows for a few more years. He could have HELPED us overturn the Bush regime. Instead, he screwed us, the Nation, and his formerly sterling reputation.

3rd and 4th parties are a comin' kids.
Seriously. Give it 15 more years.

-Chuck

BlackWednesday.org

FX. lets capatilize on war!!!

Posted by: cubejockey

Bochco doesn't usually hold back. (Though I have yet to watch the first episode) I expect it to be pretty critical of everything. We'll see.

So this is not a period of free trade, it's a period of greater regulation of trade.

The United States is extreme in this regard.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 27, 2005 08:24 PM

_______________________________________________

The regulation is no longer democratically controlled but controlled by the NAFTA, WTO, IMF, World Bank and the US military.

It's a question of do as we say NOT as we do; or else.

The ideal is just that an ideal and unattainable due to human nature...As I said you can not seperate economics from sociology...

Like selling icecubes to an eskimo if you don't take into account the human situation no one will profit.

Ralph Nader showed you the way. What is it about Naderism that is so anathema to US voters?

Posted by: CaLuM at July 27, 2005 08:31 PM

I think that he turned people off by running again in 2004-then there's always that little 2000 election thing. Not my opinion here, just a guess.

WRONG! Dean raise more money than during DLC'er reign.

Posted by: wanda at July 27, 2005 08:26 PM

I didn't say he didn't. I am saying that most of the money Dean has raised, over 80%, has come from the usual corporate suspects. Less than 20% from small donations over the internet. Dean is indeed an excellent fundraiser. Check out http://www.opensecrets.org/ for more info.

Is anyone actually calling their representative and sending emails to the DLC members or are you all sitting on your asses?

Thank you Sammie for fighting.

>>>Morophine, give him the morephine!

either one would be fine.

morphine, give him the morphine

I sent my Rep. and my two senators TONS of emails re: Voting "NO" on CAFTA also, Seder, BIG-SHOT, so shadd-up, SamSon, ya ANUS-FACED YAPPER, YAS!!

He's right, the DLC is our BIGGEST problem!

I called. Twice.

Sam, the DLC is the party. All the big corporate donors are DLC'ers. All the big money comes from the DLC.

Posted by: AlanSmithee, Nobel Prize Nominee at July 27, 2005 08:23 PM

----
But where do the votes come from?

call more than once and it will forward u ecventually monk

want to find yer congressmans number?

http://www.house.gov/

I am personally supporting Hillary Clinton's shift to the center. We HAVE to win the next election.
Plus....anything that gets Bill back in the WH...right?

:)

-Chuck

BlackWednesday.org

The War on Terror is a failure.

As a matter of fact, what war on terror are you speaking about.

Anyone get the feeling that Janeane is getting phased out of the Majority Report?

AAR please do not pull another Lizz Winstead on JG!

(morph/oavalt) -ine shakes please!

The War on Terror is a failure.

As a matter of fact, what war on terror are you speaking about.

Posted by: edna ellen poe at July 27, 2005 08:38 PM

They call it "the struggle" now.

Ya know what's weird about that...it's what "jihad" means when literally translated.

You examine the liberals. You will see they are not frothing at the mouth like the repubs. This must be proof they aren't serious about the terrorist threat. Terrorism is the new Willie Horton.

Do these phonecalls to congresspeople and whatnot really do any good?

Ralph Nader showed you the way. What is it about Naderism that is so anathema to US voters?

Posted by: CaLuM at July 27, 2005 08:31 PM

It's easier to just vote a straight democrat / republican slate and go back to sleep. Ralph calls for active citizenship, not single party catatonia. (Anti-) Dem Party zombies just hate that kind of thing.

*

want yer Rep's (congresmans) website with all their info?

http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.shtml

*

and he didn't mention all the stufff that WASN'T posted there!

I LOVE George Galloway.

If anyone missed his ultra-cool Senate show down...hit me up.

We NEED a few of whatever he is.

-Chuck

BlackWednesday.org

Uh oh.....DeLay is getting cought again being naughty with money.

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/27/delay-dirty-tricks/

DeLay Still Up To Dirty Tricks

Tom DeLay thinks the federal treasury is his personal piggy bank. DeLay slipped “a $1.5 billion giveaway to the oil industry, Halliburton, and Sugar Land, Texas” into the energy bill.

But this isn’t a normal case of government pork. DeLay has completely dispensed with the democratic process. From a letter Rep. Henry Waxman just sent Speaker Dennis Hastert:

The provision was inserted into the energy legislation after the conference was closed, so members of the conference committee had no opportunity to consider or reject this measure.

The $1.5 billion won’t be administered by the government by a private consortium in DeLay’s district:

The subtitle appears to steer the administration of 75% of the $1.5 billion fund to a private consortium located in the district of Majority Leader Tom DeLay. Ordinarily, a large fund like this would be administered directly by the government.

Hastert and DeLay need to explain themselves immediately. No member of Congress who takes taxpayer dollars seriously should vote for the energy bill until this matter is resolved.

Fear!
Posted by: Running Scared at July 27, 2005 08:34 PM

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

It is really something when you are so afraid that you vote for BUSH or his KERRY clone.

Galloway said the the London attacks were inexcusable but not inexplicable. This distinct is lost on conservatives.

Anyone get the feeling that Janeane is getting phased out of the Majority Report?

AAR please do not pull another Lizz Winstead on JG!

Posted by: DCSleeper at July 27, 2005 08:39 PM

Sorry-I'm a newbie to AAR. What exactly happened between AAR and Lizz Winstead?

Yes, throw the DLC ELITISTS out of Democratic Party, IMMEDIATELY.

Then also go to:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org

and http://www.verifiedvoting.org (Etcetera!)

Janeane's movie starring it this week

The question is whether a new party can get traction with both wings of Corporate Party fighting it. Which media will it use to get its message out? Where will it get funding to buy media time? Will the corporate media sell it time? Can it counter the talking heads or pundits? Isn't the fact that the working class in the US can't get representation in government evidence that we are oppressed?

My reps are B. Boxer and D. Feinstein. I guess I assume they won't be voting for CAFTA anyway.

"Red Ken" Livingstone.

I thought he was a permanent landmark of 1980 Labour politics and the GLC (the Greater London Council, of course).

He pretty much re-invented himself to become London's first mayor.

why does the DLC try to alienate their base. they bash Michael moore's. his movie made $90 million and it was a documentary. why should we be republican LITE? i vote for democrats because they have liberal beliefs, why would i vote for a democrat if they had conservative beliefs?

instant runoff voting. we could all vote nader.

http://www.michaelhodges.com/stuff/funny/2008cc1.swf

Check this out....

Posted by: Anonymous at July 27, 2005 08:42 PM

Feinstein will and you know it

Clinton blows

I called (877) SOB-USOB, and they said call later. I will. I sent my e-mail.

Now, this philosophical thing I've been doing.

So, as my studying into the post Scholasticism German philosophers goes on, I continue to conclude that there has been no major advancement in philosophy since Aristotle except Hegel's dialectic which is derivative of Fichte's "Thesis, Anti-Thesis and Synthesis."

That dialectical interpretation of experience (Becoming - "Synthesis" is the limited differentiation of Being - "Thesis" and Nothing - "Anti-Thesis") is simply a way of restating the differentiation of Good (substance) to Evil (nonsubstance) to achieve the Socratic Golden mean (state.)

Hegel's antinomies are nothing more than the dualities which zero revealed to Pythagoras.

What Hegel got right is that those opposites resolve each other as equal and opposite reciprocals via formalized logical statements. All the rest of it is just a bunch of either intentional or accidental dissembling of Aristotelian Ethics. Hegel gets right to the need for ethics in his faulty proof for the existence of God, it requires too much rationalizing. Period, end of story.

So far anyway, perhaps as my study goes on I'll find something useful.

Schopenhauerian Pessimism is asinine drivel in the extreme. For example, Schopenhauer's "Will" is nothing more the Kant's "Mind" which is no different than the Pre-Socratic's "Mind." Everything useful in Schopenhauer was already hanging right out in the open in Aristotle with out the sad, sick distortions of his self loathing.

A little later today I'll provide some examples of his thinking which leads me to that conclusion.

(continued)

.....

Republican Loves Hillary. They want her to run so badly. heee heee....

Ralph Nader showed you the way.

Ralph spoke the truth the truth is not allowed to debate.

The War on Terror is a failure.

As a matter of fact, what war on terror are you speaking about.

Posted by: edna ellen poe at July
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

DEcades of US terror begets and reaps what it has sown.

Do these phonecalls to congresspeople and whatnot really do any good?

Posted by: TJR at July 27, 2005 08:40 PM

yupper! absolutely!!!

they figger you represent a number of people who don't call. some congresscritters figger your call represents up to 10,000 people who fel the same o the issue!

SHE CAN NOT WIN! Let her be a senator from New York and look for new people. We have a lot of good young liberals in service, we just have to get our media behind them, decide early, and stay strong the whole time.

He'd better lay off my Hillary.

Clearly he doesn't see the multi-pronged wave of hate that would sweep through all NeoCons.
I'm telling you...it's worth just that alone.

-Chuck

BlackWednesday.org

Okay, here is why people don't understand why CAFTA, NAFTA, etc. is bad (and I explain it so that even THEY can understand).

First off, I'm a small business owner. Have been for over a decade. I would prefer to hire those locally because, for one, I know them.

Second, I live in the United States. I am an American. As an American, I prefer to see the U.S. do well than do poorly (stands to reason).

With those in mind, consider the following: if a few businesses move their manufacturing to another country, yes, they will reap the benefits. Who will they sell to, primarily Americans.

Now, if ALL American businesses move to another country for cheaper labor (and there is talk about doing this in the health care industry, etc.) then we have a bit of a problem. For one, in order to keep the same standard of living (roads, sewers, and other infrastructure) taxes have to go up. Why? Because there are fewer American workers paying taxes.

These manufacturing jobs have, on the whole, been replaced with jobs that pay less. Net result, Americans have LESS DISPOSABLE INCOME.

Why is this a problem? Well, let's say you make projection tv tubes and decide to move to Central America (because it is cheaper and you don't care about health benefits anyway). Fine if you are the only one, but when all of business leaders do this, you will find that there are fewer and fewer people buying projection TV's.

Sure, you can argue that you will make money in the short run. But in the long run you lose, as does everyone else.

Posted by: Meta 4 at July 27, 2005 08:43 PM

kicking ass and taking names?

---- But where do the votes come from?

Posted by: oakland_steve [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2005 08:37 PM

From lazy people who would rather follow the failed policies of neoliberal millionaire DLC'ers because it easier than thinking.

>>>Morophine, give him the morephine!

either one would be fine.

morphine, give him the morphine

Posted by: ۞ĈħůБъÿ٭ßΰБъǻ۞ at July 27, 2005 08:36 PM

--------------------------------------------

I was confident that, given enough time, you would eventually Google back to your senses.

"Feinstein will and you know it"

What?

why does the DLC try to alienate their base. they bash Michael moore's. his movie made $90 million and it was a documentary. why should we be republican LITE? i vote for democrats because they have liberal beliefs, why would i vote for a democrat if they had conservative beliefs?

Posted by: chiggygprogressive at July 27, 2005 08:43 PM

DLC == republican lite == hawkish == Blair == Corporation/wallstreet == Clinton doing mind meld with Bushies. == hate the blogosphere.

Doe anyone know Hillary Clinton's email address?

If she votes for this Cafta thing she loses my vote for sure. Man, Sam is on fire tonight.
You go Sam !!!

Rabbi Sam,

the DLC was greeted by protesters at their conference in Columbus, Ohio.

A artist created a giant spine and displayed it in front of the hotel.

Rather than going off on Hillary…Why don’t we talk about who we would like to see represent the Democratic Party! Just because FOX, MSN, & CNN has decided that Hillary is the nominee, does not mean that we have to go along with that.

Let Hillary be Republican-light…She is not going to be nominated! She will take care of that herself.

way to let'er have it Sam. If we mover any farther to the right we are going to be pissing with their dicks

Instead of tilting right in pursuit of the center the DLC should reveal how far right today's Republican party is and pull the center back.

Anyone get the feeling that Janeane is getting phased out of the Majority Report?

Posted by: DCSleeper [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2005 08:39 PM

She's catching work from the AAR gig. What's wrong with that?

how to write email and call yer congress critter!

with addresses email adresses and phone numbers!

http://www.house.gov/writerep/wyrfaqs.shtml/

http://www.michaelhodges.com/stuff/funny/2008cc1.swf

Hysterical!!!!!!

Posted by: wanda at July 27, 2005 08:46 PM

more kicking ass and taking names.

Sure, you can argue that you will make money in the short run. But in the long run you lose, as does everyone else.

Posted by: feloneouscat at July 27, 2005 08:45 PM

BINGO! Corporations are not in it for the long run. If some enterprise is declining, the capital will fly to the next growth potential. There is no loyalty in a market system. There is no humanity in a market system.

the shallowness gets deeper still.

Let Hillary be Republican-light…She is not going to be nominated! She will take care of that herself.

Posted by: fep at July 27, 2005 08:47 PM

but nobody knows that yet. And Majority report is located in NYC. MAXIMUM impact.

Does anyone know Hillary's email address?

Do you make more than $200k?

"I don't. I would like to - I plan to"

Why this awe and fawning over the rich?

Posted by: DurangoKid at July 27, 2005 08:20 PM

This, I'm afraid is preciously why you are so wrong and blinded...So at this point, you simply will not be able to understand.

I would say: learn the basic economic contruct...then come see me - but at that point (if you're logical) you will have already re-examined and then changed your position...and have no reason to do so.

but nobody knows that yet. And Majority report is located in NYC. MAXIMUM impact.

Posted by: wanda at July 27, 2005 08:48 PM

Save for their piss poor signal strength there...

---- But where do the votes come from?

Posted by: oakland_steve [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2005 08:37 PM

From frightened people made frantic at the thought of voting outside of the single party corporate duopoly that's holding our goverment captive.

SHE CAN NOT WIN! Let her be a senator from New York and look for new people. We have a lot of good young liberals in service, we just have to get our media behind them, decide early, and stay strong the whole time.

Posted by: hrvat64 at July 27, 2005 08:44 PM

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She probably can't win because people like you keep screaming "she can't win".
Of course she can win. And she will win, despite those who would wish otherwise.
The problem with Liberals and Democrats...we're too open minded. We're to 'smart' to sheepishly fall in line with a party ideology. This is why we can't win elections. We need to unite behind a central, centrist theme....and take back the White House.

Once we have THAT...we can argue about party direction.

But attitudes like yours are why we lost the last election. Lame.

-Chuck

BlackWednesday.org

nobodys picking up the phone when I call. Sorry sam ......I will email a note to my congress representative

Posted by: Anonymous at July 27, 2005 08:49 PM

Not addressing my points?

Hillary Clinton

the Clerk of the House maintains addresses and phone numbers of all House Members and Committees, or you may call (202)225-3121 for the U.S. House switchboard operator.

nobodys picking up the phone when I call. Sorry sam ......I will email a note to my congress representative

Posted by: BlueFalcon at July 27, 2005 08:50 PM

Keep the phonelines busy...that sends the message.

....

HEY....!!

Robert is going to crash and burn baby. Just give it time. That guy is worst than Bolton. He has more skeleton.

Will Durant, the author of one of the books I'm reading (listening to) on philosophy (who inexplicably finds Schopenhauer to be worth one's time,) expertly expresses the fundamental flaws in this destructive, foolish and essentially sado-masochistic ignorance.

Sado-Masochism is merely a device for two co-dependent personalities to compensate for each participant's low self esteem issues.

One has low self esteem and feels they either don't deserve kindness and respect or DO deserve ill-treatment and disrespect and the other has low self esteem and feels they must enhance their self image via the humiliation of another. Totally pathetic.

Don't mistake that "ignorance" for struggle or the intense sharpness of pain sensation.

One may sincerely enjoy struggle (sports, love, learning, etc.) and sharp sensation (sex, sports, humor, spicy foods, Jazz etc.) It's the false co-dependence of dominance and submission that has little philosophic merit.

There is plenty of merit to dominance and submission for "titillation" or "game play" (as I state above) or sexual stimulation, but as the foundational aspect of philosophical thought? Not really, IMAHOMO.

Schopenhauer's wrenchingly awful "The World As Will And Idea" was a main progenitor in the philosophy of Nietzsche and as we have seen... he's a totally useless dick head, except in as much as he's a moderately interesting comic.

What Janeane sees as informative there I have yet to understand, but I find her opinions unfailingly brilliant (even if I don't always agree) so it must be worth some examination.

(continued)

Republican Loves Hillary
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Hillary came closest to being left wing with her version of universal health care. She could have expanded the concept and sold the vision but fell prey to the corporate agenda. She didn't have the guts to do the right thing then; what has changed?

SHE CAN NOT WIN! Let her be a senator from New York and look for new people. We have a lot of good young liberals in service, we just have to get our media behind them, decide early, and stay strong the whole time.

Posted by: hrvat64 at July 27, 2005 08:44 PM

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She probably can't win because people like you keep screaming "she can't win". Of course she can win. And she will win, despite those who would wish otherwise. The problem with Liberals and Democrats...we're too open minded. We're to 'smart' to sheepishly fall in line with a party ideology. This is why we can't win elections. We need to unite behind a central, centrist theme....and take back the White House.

Once we have THAT...we can argue about party direction.

But attitudes like yours are why we lost the last election. Lame.

-Chuck

BlackWednesday.org

Posted by: Chuck at July 27, 2005 08:50 PM

You are wrong. I do not think Hillary can win either. I wouldn't vote for her myself. I do live in a red state and I am BLUE so if I won't vote for her. (primarily because she and those like her who push the DLC views that HURT the people and they are republicans!)

I like those people like Boxer and Conyers etc. They fight for the PEOPLE. They are true Democrats.

....

WAAIIT..

They say Bolton will pass. But he didn't.

RObert MIGHT NOT pass either. DOn't give up yet.!!!

I just called my congress critters office and gave the guy that answered the phone a half hour of what-for.
Damn that felt good.

HEY....!!

Robert is going to crash and burn baby. Just give it time. That guy is worst than Bolton. He has more skeleton.

Posted by: wanda at July 27, 2005 08:52 PM

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What are you basing that on?

Do you have linkage for the kiddies, on these 'skeletons'?

-Chuck

BlackWednesday.org

Rabbi Sam,

Why do you keep discussing Roe V Wade with men?

Hilary's a senator is'nt she?

this vote is in the house of representatives

i believe. Congress men and women

She can't win because she is hated by the center. I live in Indiana. Centrist is fine, and could win, but she has already been established as leftist (even if she isn't). Regular, middle-class people (as much as it drives me nuts) HATE her.

As I said, I really like her (most of the time) but no amount of unity from the left will allow her to win a general election. On top of that, she is a SHE. A woman can win, but not a polarizing woman whose likely supporters are already luke-warm.

And yes, I already called.

~~~ We need to unite behind a central, centrist theme....and take back the White House. ~~~

Take back the White House... as an end in and of itself. Like a game.

No thanks.

Hillary, or anyone else calls for immediate withdrawal from Iraq and she'll get my support and the support of other sane people.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 27, 2005 08:46 PM

Feinstein is a DLC member no doubt about it on thieir list or not. Mike Malloy was making fun of her the other night, even doing a good impression of her voice. "You press bitches, go away, no questions for this fine judge" (about Judge Roberts). She is no liberal like Boxer.

Posted by: Meta 4 at July 27, 2005 08:52 PM

Pictures painted all in black still tell the tale of the artist and offer clues to the human condition...

Posted by: Chuck at July 27, 2005 08:54 PM

So far: Iran contra, federalist society, and his wifey an anti abortion wingnut wacko... and he is lying already about his federalist society membership...

Who cares about wining when you find out you ain’t that much better off! Stand on principal and ideas…that is the way to win.

Supreme Court Nominee John Roberts
Has Sided with Executive
Branch and Corporate Power

Interview with Bruce Shapiro,
of the Nation magazine,
conducted by Scott Harris

With the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Conner, the long expected battle over the future of the Supreme Court was joined. President Bush's nominee to fill the vacancy, federal appeals court judge John Roberts is a dedicated conservative with a long history of work in Republican administrations. With only two years as a federal judge in the District of Columbia Court of Appeals, Roberts has a short record with which to assess his judicial philosophy.

But in a landmark decision issued just one day after being interviewed for the Supreme Court by President Bush, Roberts and his colleagues on the D.C. circuit court decided against according Geneva Convention protections to prisoners held in the U.S. detention camp at Guantanamo Bay Naval base in Cuba. An important clue as to Robert's view on abortion rights can be seen in a 1991 legal brief signed by Roberts, then deputy solicitor general in President Bush's father's administration, where he stated, "We continue to believe that Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided and should be overruled."

Despite Roberts' repeated denials that he was a member of the controversial Federalist Society, press reports revealed that he was listed as member of the 1997-98 steering committee of the conservative legal organization's D.C. chapter. As Senate confirmation hearings approach in September, battle lines have already been drawn over the release of memos and documents written by Roberts during his tenure as deputy solicitor general in the late 80s and early 90s. Between The Lines' Scott Harris spoke with Bruce Shapiro, former director of the Nation Institute's Supreme Court Watch, who assesses the character and known record of John Roberts.

Bruce Shapiro's Nation magazine article, "The Stakes in Roberts' Nomination," can be read online at www.thenation.com

Who the Hell does the DLC think they are? There is no representation for the working class in America! Any Democrat SELLOUTS i.e...Joe Biden "Bankruptcy Bill" Vote them Out!!! They are no different then Karl Rove! Any Dem who supports CAFTA needs to be voted out! Any of these Dems who vote for political expediency over whats good for the American Public need to be drummed right out of the party and Thrown out of Washington on their ASS! Ralph Nader is probably Laughing His ass off at the stupidity of the public and now its really coming around. I would have voted for Nader had he a chance of winning but I got stuck with Kerry and Diebold like so many other Americans. One Finger salute all you Anti America NEOCONS!!!!

I have to wonder if Hillary failed to see that health insurance premiums float the stock markets? Shutting off that river of cash would have caused a major devaluation of stocks, i.e., the bubble would have burst big time. It's no surprise to me the rightwingnuts hate her. I just can't get my mind around why she'd float an idea as suicidal as health care reform along the lines of those other commie countries like Denmark.

Feinstein's husband own's 24% of a firm making billions in Iraq.

Why do you keep discussing Roe V Wade with men?

Posted by: edna ellen poe at July 27, 2005 08:54 PM

I was kinda wondering that too.

Okay. Bush&Co have changed the name of its counterterrorist campaign from "the global war on terrorism" to "the global struggle against violent extremism".

1/ Word "war" is out so Bush&Co perpetrators of torture and theft can try to avoid indictment for war crimes.
2/ Word "extremist" now replaces "terrorist". Negroponte loves this one because he can call anybody and "extremist"! ("You wearin' white shoes after Labor Day? YOU must be detained indefinitely, you extremist you!") (Don't forget, the Nazis used the labor and concentration camps also to neutralize critics/political enemies, not just for the racist victimization of scapegoats.)
3/The new word to replace "war" is "struggle", which that Goddess Randi pointed out today translates in German to "kampf" (as in Hitler's mega plan autobio "Mein Kampf").

(P.S. Don't wear red socks on Thursdays, or jangly jewelry on even days in months of 30 days length, or ask about veterans' lack of benefits, or talk bad about mad cow disease in the American meat supply, and, oh yes, forget about birth control....The NEW BushWorld writes a new "political correctness" etiquette and all else is EXTREME....)(You are allowed to feel the irony in the fact that the Right HATED politically correct aything, but that this is what they now force on us -- from invisible Iraq casualty caskets to "you hate Christianity" if you oppose melding of Church And State as perpetrated by Executive Order in tax-funded Faith-Based Charities dominance of today's human services programs.)

I wouldn't paint Boxer and Feinstien with the same brush at all

Posted by: Ozy at July 27, 2005 08:56 PM

The working class in America was never meant to be represented. Remember the property qualifications in the Constitution?

As I said you can not seperate economics from sociology...

Like selling icecubes to an eskimo if you don't take into account the human situation no one will profit.

Posted by: Nobody at July 27, 2005 08:36 PM

Clearly - but those are not the only variables.

What the fuck is this?

This guy is talking the same bull shit as Eric Alterman. No more prep school Jewish men discussing this issue, PLEASE!

You are wrong. I do not think Hillary can win either. I wouldn't vote for her myself. I do live in a red state and I am BLUE so if I won't vote for her. (primarily because she and those like her who push the DLC views that HURT the people and they are republicans!)

I like those people like Boxer and Conyers etc. They fight for the PEOPLE. They are true Democrats.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 27, 2005 08:53 PM

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Look, you can vote for who you want.
I am not debating true vs. not-true 'Dems'.
I am simply stating that putting HC back in the White House increases our chances for a progressive agenda. This is precicely the argument that was made over and over to the Nader voters.
And you know what? They didn't listen either.
I say it is the far LEFT wing of the party that needs to be clamped down a bit. Once we're in a second democrat term, we'll be able to pusha really progressive agenda.

Why can't you people get that?

-Chuck

BlackWednesday.org

"Doe anyone know Hillary Clinton's email address?"

Email isn't going to be the best tonight. Use the telephone.

1-877-SOB-USOB

or

http://clerk.house.gov/members/

This guy is talking the same bull shit as Eric Alterman. No more prep school Jewish men discussing this issue, PLEASE!

Posted by: edna ellen poe at July 27, 2005 08:58 PM

yeah that was a bit fatalistic.

SAMM....we need people from active woman movement, active on the ground that can move people /can benefit from radio broadcast!)

come on.....STOP doing old trick over and over agian....expand your foor print!

What is the difference between a moderate liberal, and a moderate conservative. If Hillary wants to move right…let her move right on over to the other side.

whew!

made it.

i practically ran home...

in a tight skirt and heels no less.

Posted by: Catharine at July 27, 2005 07:59 PM

Woot Woot!

Sure, you can argue that you will make money in the short run. But in the long run you lose, as does everyone else.

Posted by: feloneouscat at July
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As services come on stream for this CAFTA horse shit expect more off-shore companies to accept US govt. contracts in which they not only out- source and off-shore but actually bring the workers into the US at non-union reduced rates and no benefits to do those jobs now being done by US workers.

We have seen only the thin end of the wedge so far. There are 19 categories of horseshit awaiting in the wings.

The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a previous order of the House, the gentleman from Oregon (Mr. DeFazio) is recognized for 5 minutes.

Mr. DeFAZIO.Mr. Speaker, if one was to look at this chart, and the black bars represent the extraordinary growth in the United States trade deficit over the last 14 years, and you see you are digging yourself a hole for the American people, for the future of the American economy, of over $600 billion in 1 year. This year we are going to eclipse that. We are headed toward $2 billion a day of foreign borrowing.

Now, most people say, well, Alan Greenspan says that is great. They are willing to lend us money. Shows how strong our economy is. But what Alan Greenspan and the other pointy-headed hack economists around here forget is that those are real dollars which can come back to bite us, and they are coming back to bite us when you have a Chinese Communist-controlled oil company trying to buy a major American oil company with substantial reserves around the world. For a country that is importing 20 million barrels a day of energy, we want to be selling off our oil assets, our reserves around the world to the Chinese Communist Government? I do not think so. But they think this is just working great.

The point is we have a failed and failing trade policy here in the United States of America. We lost 3 million manufacturing jobs, good high-wage, high-benefit jobs, through NAFTA, and the WTO and permanent most favored nation status for China. Those have cost the American people dearly. Millions of Americans have lost good jobs.

"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth. I sat at a table where were rich food and wine in abundance, and obsequious attendance, but sincerity and truth were not; and I went away hungry from the inhospitable board."

-Henry David Thoreau

Thoreau, Walden And Civil Disobedience, Penguin, 1986, p.379