u thought those hearings were a joke u're a fuckhead!

Posted by: air-ono at July 22, 2005 12:30 PM

This coming from someone who substitutes "you" for a letter? The abuse of the word fuckhead has so diminished it's proper meaning.

I thought the hearings didn't do enough. What? We should be content that they had them at all?

Dueling Stroms!

Sounds great to me.

Is this a joke?

Posted by: ZachsMind at July 22, 2005 12:17 PM

depends on what happens next, probably. (i'm choosing to be hopeful. ((i'm telling you just in case you're curious)))

UNENJOYABLE:

That "Think Progress" still uses "Plame."

and

quasi-nutty-professer-cum-Johny-cum-southern-guy

Saddam. But it didn't really matter because it was always rigged.

Posted by: Meg at July 22, 2005 12:34 PM

but if true, at least on paper they had more rights under Saddam than this new constitution they are working on.

If we'd continuesd to contain Saddam and somehow kept his murderous sons from the reigns after saddam died, these people would ave a decent functioning system.

of course, that strategy,(if it is even enough of an ideato be a strategy) wouldn't have left Halliburton in control of the oil spigot

(cue typewriter music)

And now, for today's, Boring, Correction.

In the previous thread I jokingly referred to the Senate Hearings, about Valerie Plame's alleged outing of her affiliation with the CIA allegedly by Karl Rove, as a joke. I allegedly referred to it as "a joke." More specifically, I asked if it were a joke, leaving the rhetoricalness of the question to the interpretation of the reader. At no time did I actually state it was a joke. I merely questioned whether or not it might be a joke. Several responses (several, as in, one) pointed out that it wasn't a joke and that I, was a fuckhead. They then went on to explain that if the sun burns out and the moon stops spinning, there will be no tides.

And that, was today's, Boring Correction.

After 9/11 and the Anthrax attacks most of the calls to 911 were for suspicous package, suspicous envelope and suspicious white powder... Overwhelmingly most of them them turned out to be false and the cops stopped responding.

On one occassion train service was delayed for 2 hours because someone left a Dristan caplet on a subway seat. Everyday items suddenly became suspicous and heinous looking. People were opening their mail with surgical gloves and filter masks and the police could not keep up with all of the calls.

Once September rolls around there is going to be a sea of backpacks and bags everwhere. And each one will look suspicous.

I suspect that every kid traveling to school on a bus or train in NYC will be considered a suicide bomber...

hey, Gang, I just found a brand new (new to me, anyway) right wing rag!

no doubt the folks in NYC know all about it...

it's the Forward, check out the lies:

Scandalous Partisanship
By Herbert London
July 22, 2005

The Democratic sharks smell Republican blood in the water. As a consequence, they are zeroing in on Karl Rove in order to embarrass the president in what has become a tidal wave of partisanship. It is revealing, however, that these are toothless sharks on a hapless mission.

There is the contention that Rove revealed Valerie Plame's identity as a CIA agent, thereby violating the law — one might call it the Philip Agee precedent — and putting Plame in a compromised position. Overlooked in the overheated accusation is that all discussion of Plame's identity was initiated by journalists; that Plame was not an undercover agent at the CIA; and that Rove's intentions, to the extent they're discernible, were to discredit Plame's husband, Joseph Wilson, who according to British intelligence lied when he reported that Iraq did not seek nuclear material from Niger.

There you have it, Washington's latest pettifogging issue.

Yet the Democrats are in high dudgeon. Senator Chuck Schumer couldn't contain his sanctimonious utterances by calling for the removal of Rove's security clearance. Senator Joseph Biden called Rove's actions "a national security breach." And Senator Hillary Clinton, reflecting on events in the White House, struck a decidedly low note by comparing President Bush to Mad magazine's Alfred E. Neuman.

wow, u're a double fuckhead

//he's not gonna run for anything.//

wot's that got to do with anything

Posted by: air-ono at July 22, 2005 12:34 PM

cuz as things stand now, calling him gay doesn't hurt him any (i don't think). if it did, it would still be wrong. (depending on who you ask. i would say it's wrong so that's what i'll go by)

Man, when the sun buns out, implodes, whatever it'll eventually do...Man. on THAT DAY we are really sorry we went to tidal power and turned away from fossil fuels!

>>on THAT DAY we are (going to be) really sorry we went to tidal power

Is there ANYONE in the Bush administration who HAS ethics or honesty? I'd just like to know, cause it can't be easy for them.

Zach I don't think that's it for the hearing. This was just the beginning and Im sure there will be many more.

To be fair, global warming will have made the entire human race extinct long before the sun burns away into a cinder. But hey, on the plus side, it'll get a lot colder when it does. I'm sure this will be of benefit to something, but we'll have long since ceased to exist so it won't matter to us.

Kinda puts all this political debate into perspective, doesn't it?

What does Colin Powell have to do with this?

Do you think the Bush Crime Family will try to dump this on him?

Wouldn't surprise me.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at July 22, 2005 01:02 PM

depends on the definition of "ethics or honesty"

some might consider the absence of ethics or honesty as ethics or honesty.

you know, like a negative number has a value as a positive one

Zach I don't think that's it for the hearing. This was just the beginning and Im sure there will be many more.

Posted by: Meg at July 22, 2005 01:02 PM

So did you sign the petition yet, or should I bring out the American flag and play some rousing patriotic music? With a flute?

I haven't signed the Rove petition yet. I don't really see the point.

Posted by: Meg at July 22, 2005 12:17 PM

I got put of bed this morning, I didn't see any point to that.

yet,I did it anyway.

s there ANYONE in the Bush administration who HAS ethics or honesty? I'd just like to know, cause it can't be easy for them.

Posted by: Cathy in Seattle, Nobel Prize Nominated Blogger at July 22, 2005 01:02 PM

Nope, none!

I will sign it. But I think he should be more than fired. The man belongs in jail.

It's good news week!

Doctors finding many ways of wrapping brains in metal trays to keep us from the heat.

I thought air-ono was telling us he got fucked in the ass by two guys after shooting pool with them the other night! What the fuck does he care who is gay?

Doctors finding many ways of wrapping brains in metal trays to keep us from the heat.

-----------

Tin foil hat time!

What the fuck does he care who is gay?

Posted by: Inquiring Minds at July 22, 2005 01:13 PM

At least Ono is honest abouthimself.

he hasn't made a carreer out of getting gaybashers elected to high office.

tot the best of my knowledge.

BTW: I don't polay pool, not even interested, thanks

;]

troglodytic mastication

is my phrase for the day.

try to work it into your daily conversation.

"I had mixed feelings about the RNC fundraising dinner. The food was excellant, bu the din of troglodytic mastication was distracting, to say the least."

Prime Minister Blair: "What these people are trying to do, I mean whoever is responsible for this latest incident, and that is to intimidate people and to scare them, to frighten them and to stop them (from) going about their normal business. Now obviously people will be concerned and anxious, of course they will and that's why it's important that we give as much information as we can. But on the other hand, it's important also that we respond by keeping to our normal life and doing what we want to do because to do otherwise is in a sense to give them what they're looking for."

Reporter: "Do you feel that in a sense your policies may have put people in this position?"

Blair: "Well I think I've said to you before that I feel that the people who are responsible for doing these things are the people who do them."

Prime Minister Howard: "On the issue of the policies of my government and indeed the policies of the British and American governments on Iraq, the first point of reference is that once a country allows its foreign policy to be determined by terrorism it's given the game away to use the venacular and no Australian government that I lead will ever have policies determined by terrorism or terrorist threats and not self-respecting government of any political stripe in Australia would allow that to happen. Can I remind you that the murder of eighty eight australians in Bali took place before the operation in Iraq and I remind you that the 11th of September occurred before the operation in Iraq. Can I also remind you that the very first occassion that Bin Laden specifically referred to Australia was in the context of Australia's involvement in liberating the people of East Timor. Are people by implication suggesting that we shouldn't have done that? When a group claimed responsibility on the website for the attacks on the attacks on the 7th of July they talked about British policy not just in Iraq but in Afghanistan. Are people suggesting we shouldn't be in Afghanistan? When Sergio Demello was murdered in Iraq, a brave man, a distinguished international diplomat, a person immensely respected for his work in the United Nations, when Al Qaeda gloated about that they referred spec

Prime Minster Howard: "When Sergio de Mello was murdered in Iraq -- a brave man, a distinguished international diplomat, a person immensely respected for his work in the United Nations -- when al Qaeda gloated about that, they referred specifically to the role that de Mello had carried out in East Timor because he was the United Nations administrator in East Timor.

Now I don't know the mind of the terrorists. By definition, you can't put yourself in the mind of a successful suicide bomber. I can only look at objective facts, and the objective facts are as I've cited. The objective evidence is that Australia was a terrorist target long before the operation in Iraq. And indeed, all the evidence, as distinct from the suppositions, suggests to me that this is about hatred of a way of life, this is about the perverted use of principles of the great world religion that, at its root, preaches peace and cooperation. And I think we lose sight of the challenge we have if we allow ourselves to see these attacks in the context of particular circumstances rather than the abuse through a perverted ideology of people and their murder."

Franken's show reminds me...

Serious news from Kenya:

KENYA: Nairobi heavily policed on third day of protests

Funny video that hasn't much to do with anything but is called Kenya:

Kenya (at AlbinoBlackSheep)

The man belongs in jail.

Posted by: Meg at July 22, 2005 01:11 PM

That is what the ongoing investigation is supposed to determine. Bush wrongly intimated that the investigation would also determine whether or not he should be fired. Back a couple years ago Bush said anyone negatively involved in the situation would be removed from his administration. He didn't specify actual prosecution.

I don't like to wish ill on anyone. However, Rove has repeatedly been caught in questionable dealings on behalf of the Bush administration. Shrub has him on the payroll precisely because Rove can get his hands dirty while (in the past) not involving the Bush administration.

It's like a respectable citizen in a community who gets the peopleof the community to love him, but behind closed doors he hires a thug to go around and be mean to people in ways that would forward the 'respectable citizen's goals. That's what we're seeing here but on a more national and even international scale, and it's major disturbing.

Karl Rove’ is a neo-con sensation

and master of troglodytic mastication.

Lefties hope that his blame

for outing Valerie Blame

will earn him a permanent vacation

Man, when the sun buns out, implodes, whatever it'll eventually do...Man. on THAT DAY we are really sorry we went to tidal power and turned away from fossil fuels!

Posted by: Chubby_Bubba, Rajah of Bhong at July 22, 2005 01:00 PM

Actually, in about 5 billion years - I think - it'll expand into a "red giant" star - consume the earth, of course....then go back to it's regular size, for a while - then expand into a red giant again - then explode and contract into a "white dwarf" star....or something fairly close to that.

We spend years trying to stop homophobic attacks and then at the first opportunity we use homophobic attacks on our enemies. Why waste the time and effort? George Bush is a queer, let's get him!

*ears perk up*

Was that a new inflection? Did she rerecord that AGAIN? Or am I imagining things?

Still fake, but in a way that sells it better. Disturbing that I've heard Garofalo's Nation spot so many times, I can tell when they change it. Eerie.

62 Truck!

62 Truck!

Pride Of Harlem, Baby!

Actually, in about 5 billion years - I think - it'll expand into a "red giant" star - consume the earth, of course....then go back to it's regular size, for a while - then expand into a red giant again - then explode and contract into a "white dwarf" star....or something fairly close to that.

Posted by: Thuper at July 22, 2005 01:31 PM

at least that's one of the accepted theories.

Personally I know coyote will eat the sun long before that.

How convenient. Western imperialists can wreck havoc on anyplace anytime and any retaliation is their fault. Do these morons really expect that the people in these countries are going to sit still while their resources, their markets, their labor, their capital, their land is exploited for the benefit of foreigners? Then theres the issue of the corrupt, repressive governments installed and supported by these same imperialists. How much are some people supposed to take?

http://www.nativeimagesgallery.com/_borders/coyote_tries_to_eat_the_sun.jpg

Personally I know coyote will eat the sun long before that.

Posted by: Chubby_Bubba, Rajah of Bhong at July 22, 2005 01:35 PM

;) - sorry. I dug astronomy - and don't get a chance to talk about it much...Most of it I've pretty much forgotten anyway.

I'm amused that --if I'm right-- the oil companies are discouraging tidal power because the sun will eventually burn out,

what do we have, 2-300 years worth of fossil fuels, at best?

How much are some people supposed to take?

Posted by: DurangoKid at July 22, 2005 01:36 PM

--

Why are you calling for war? I am giving them war now. What more do you want? You invite others to stand-up and be killed? I have killed 200,000 of them so far. How come you are not in that number? Just a talker I guess!

;) - sorry. I dug astronomy - and don't get a chance to talk about it much...Most of it I've pretty much forgotten anyway.

Posted by: Thuper at July 22, 2005 01:37 PM

don't push those crackpot religions around here!

I kinda thot Ari got outta Doge inna bitova frikkin' hurry. "Spending more time with my family"...before prison.

Did any Repugs show up to this hearing today?

Damn glad I tuned back in!

So nice to hear a REAL President.

and how about that, Al get's phone calls from former Presidents.

Not too bad.

Did any Repugs show up to this hearing today?

Posted by: Meg at July 22, 2005 01:42 PM

Side-show you mean. Political carnival! I think the grown-ups were busy!

Did any Repugs show up to this hearing today?

Posted by: Meg at July 22, 2005 01:42 PM

were any subpoenaed?

That is what the ongoing investigation is supposed to determine. Bush wrongly intimated that the investigation would also determine whether or not he should be fired. Back a couple years ago Bush said anyone negatively involved in the situation would be removed from his administration. He didn't specify actual prosecution.

Posted by: ZachsMind at July 22, 2005 01:31 PM

--

You're mistaken.

Al get's phone calls from former Presidents.

Not too bad.

Posted by: Meta 4 at July 22, 2005 01:43 PM

that doesn't sound like Jimmy Carter!

What ever happened to Florida 2000? I thought you were going to prove voter fraud and change the whole system based on Florida 2000? And you think I am worried? Har har har!

Ha! Al lost the former President!

Only the truth is funny, as Howard Stern says.

Not sure how true THAT is, but that phone call fiasco was sure a crack up over at my house.

Rovegate: The scandal that lays bare the cynicism behind Bush's war in Iraq --It has the classic ingredients of a spy thriller: undercover agents, investigative journalists and a Middle Eastern dictator. But as Rupert Cornwell reports, this Washington tale is fact, not fiction

Published: 22 July 2005

Ah, for a scandal to while away the sticky days of high summer in the capital of the free world. This one has the lot. Featured ingredients include a glamorous CIA agent, a jailed journalist and a scandal-starved Washington press in hot pursuit of dastardly White House shenanigans. At the centre of the storm is Karl Rove, George Bush's closest adviser, architect of his election triumphs and attributed with satanic political powers by reporters and frustrated Democrats alike.

At one level, the affair about who leaked the identity of Valerie Plame, former diplomat's wife and CIA undercover operative, is utterly baffling. A special prosecutor has been on the case for almost two years, but no one has been indicted; indeed it is not even clear any crime has been committed. The journalist who published the agent's name goes about his business seemingly without a care in the world, but another reporter who never wrote a word about Ms Plame languishes in a suburban Washington jail for refusing to divulge her source for the same information. For once in a city where everyone claims to have the inside track, no one is sure what is going on.

But in another way, everything is blindingly simple. The Plame leak may not be a scandal in itself. Unquestionably, it is a dirty outgrowth of a real Washington scandal for which no one has been held accountable: the misuse and distortion of prewar intelligence about Saddam Hussein's supposed weapons of mass destruction, that the US and Britain used to justify their unprovoked invasion of Iraq.

The story begins back in late 2001, when Italian intelligence apparently stumbled upon evidence that Saddam had been trying to buy yellowcake uranium in Niger, a material for the production of enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon. Vice-President Dick Cheney urge

Sometimes I wonder if Katherine is laughing with Al or at him. How do you manage to loose the President TWICE?

Har har har!

Posted by: Carl Rove at July 22, 2005 01:46 PM

You mispelled your first name, Mister Rove.

You're mistaken.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 22, 2005 01:45 PM

See? This is precisely why I can't take any statement made by "anonymous" seriously. You say I'm mistaken but include no actual evidence to support your stance.

This isn't an argument; it's contradiction.

lets go for 3?

I'm amused that --if I'm right-- the oil companies are discouraging tidal power because the sun will eventually burn out,

what do we have, 2-300 years worth of fossil fuels, at best?

Posted by: Chubby_Bubba, Rajah of Bhong at July 22, 2005 01:40 PM

You wish. Oil will not be economically viable in less than 50 years. Natural gas, the feedstock for fertilizer, will run out about then, too. Coal has half the available energy per pound and is useless for internal combustion engines. Coal is supposed to last 400 years. I doubt it considering how fast China and India are growing.

How do you manage to loose the President TWICE?

Posted by: soybomb at July 22, 2005 01:50 PM

First off you call Clinton when he's on the other side of the planet, then you use a satelite phone system run (I'm assuming) by SBC. Frankly it's a miracle we can call people on the other side of the planet at all, but that such a connection is precarious is not surprising.

News google results:

Results 1 - 10 of about 11,200 for Karl Rove. (0.24 seconds

Results 1 - 10 of about 245 for Carl Rove. (0.11 seconds

"Did any Repugs show up to this hearing today?"

Larry Johnson... and a couple of the other intelligence people, but you meant party-hack office-holders, didn't you?

This isn't an argument; it's contradiction.

Posted by: ZachsMind at July 22, 2005 01:52 PM

Oh, no it ISN'T!!!

How can Rove be an embarrassment to somebody with no shame?

How can Rove be an embarrassment to somebody with no shame?

Posted by: DurangoKid at July 22, 2005 01:58 PM

Wait, don't tell me.

this is one of them chinese word puzzles, is't it?

"This isn't an argument; it's contradiction."

No it isn't.

Oh, no it ISN'T!!!

Posted by: Anonymous at July 22, 2005 01:57 PM

I told you I'm not allowed to argue with you unless you're named.

Bush loves his freedom, but nobody else's.

I told you I'm not allowed to argue with you unless you're named.

Posted by: ZachsMind at July 22, 2005 02:02 PM

Yes you are!

Yes you are!

Posted by: Anonymous at July 22, 2005 02:03 PM

*hums*

The participants Joint Congressional Rove Hearing
Congressional Democrats to Investigate National Security Implications of Disclosing the Identity of a Covert Intelligence Officer (as it was billed):

Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-CA), Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-ND), Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV), Rep. Louise M. Slaughter (D-NY), Rep. Rush Holt (D-NJ), Rep. Jay Inslee (D-WA) and other House and Senate members. Witnesses will Include: W. Patrick Lang - Former Defense Intelligence Officer for the DIA, Larry Johnson - Former CIA Analyst, Jim Marcinkowski - Former CIA Case Officer, David McMichael - Former CIA Case Officer, Mel Goodman - Former senior CIA Analyst

I guess our nations security doesn't concern the Republicans in office :/

I guess our nations security doesn't concern the Republicans in office :/

Posted by: Anonymous at July 22, 2005 02:06 PM

Ideology comes first. Let's get out those RNC talking points!

Posted by: Monty at July 22, 2005 02:02 PM

the automatic gainsay of the position adopted your dialectical corespondent.

Ideology comes first. Let's get out those RNC talking points!

Posted by: DurangoKid at July 22, 2005 02:08 PM

yes. and they can't do that UNDER OATH now can they?

Posted by: Monty at July 22, 2005 02:02 PM

I mean... the automatic gainsay of the position adopted BY your dialectical corespondent.

Psst: ZM, you don't have to been nice to the plebes anymore...Meta 4 is the new guy today... ;}

yes. and they can't do that UNDER OATH now can they?

Posted by: Chubby_Bubba, Rajah of Bhong at July 22, 2005 02:12 PM

Oath - shmoath. Every platform is their bully pulpit.

does the phrase "thank you sir, may I have another?" ring a bell?

Please ignore the fake "Carl Rove", as I am the real one. So far my master plan to distract opposition to the current Supreme Court nominee is on schedule. Please rest assured that I will plan other distractions as future Supreme Court vacancies occur.

Your Friend

Karl

yalls see this?:

Armed police takes the streets of W. London -witnesses

"There's what looks like a bomb disposal-type vehicle, armoured, and there's several armed officers around it," Houst Monfaradi told BBC television.

Armed police told residents around Harrow Road in west London to stay off the streets on Friday and one witness told the BBC he saw remote controlled trucks that he thought were used by bomb disposal units.

"There's what looks like a bomb disposal-type vehicle, armoured, and there's several armed officers around it," Houst Monfaradi told BBC television, adding there was a huge police presence in the area.

"About half hour an ago, police ran up my road telling everyone to get inside their houses. Anyone who even pops their head out, they scream at them: 'get inside your house'."

He said he also saw a small remote-controlled tracked vehicle, followed by a couple of armed officers with shields.

London police had been due to hold a news conference at 1:30 p.m. (1230 GMT) on the day's events but it was delayed by more than an hour. Sky Television, citing police sources, said the delay was for operational reasons.

Oath - shmoath. Every platform is their bully pulpit.

Posted by: DurangoKid at July 22, 2005 02:15 PM

unfortunately, the republican standard for impeachment is lying under oath.

you can lie anytime, anywhere, to anyone. just not UNDER OATH, that's against the law.

I guess you can't cross your fingers under oath?

Based on President Clinton's criterion for aid to Africa (which I support, btw) we shouldn't even be sending aid to Ohio.

Neo-Cons speak with forked tongue

jesus. I can't believe people buy the meat of endangered species.

I'm sure there is a special place in hell for that.

Oakee doakee... Now I'm off to a funeral. See you guys later!

Now I'm off to a funeral. See you guys later!

Posted by: Meg at July 22, 2005 02:24 PM

my condolences

and C'ya later!

I guess you can't cross your fingers under oath?

Posted by: Chubby_Bubba, Rajah of Bhong at July 22, 2005 02:19 PM

Well ya CAN. It just won't do you any good.

Well ya CAN. It just won't do you any good.

Posted by: ZachsMind at July 22, 2005 02:31 PM

I meant from a legal standpoint.

unless they snuck something into one of those appropriations bills...

I meant from a legal standpoint.

Posted by: Chubby_Bubba, Rajah of Bhong at July 22, 2005 02:36 PM

Oh. Yeah. Well, I knew that!

*crosses fingers*

Please ignore the fake "Carl Rove", as I am the real one. So far my master plan to distract opposition to the current Supreme Court nominee is on schedule. Please rest assured that I will plan other distractions as future Supreme Court vacancies occur.

Your Friend

Karl

Posted by: Karl Rove at July 22, 2005 02:15 PM

Actually, it is the other way around. You want the nomination to be a distraction to your upcoming indictment!

Woah.. This War Is About So Much More was written two years ago, but is still interesting. Saw this link over at MetaFilter just now.

G. K. Chesterton wrote: "You may have secret diplomacy; you cannot have secret democracy. Democracy is dead without information. If the people are misinformed about the main facts, we cannot even say that they are voting wrong, but rather that they do not vote at all. At best they are voting about something else; something that does not exist. The old defenders of democracy never dreamed of defending this sort of democracy. They assumed that public affairs would be public."

Cheney, Rove et al

For the sake of the nation and to end the divide between conservative Republicans and the administration, we call on President Bush to pardon all involved in this spy case. We need to be a united nation when we being to bring democracy to Syria and Iran.

here's bloomberg editorial comedian joe mysak

It's time for the public to take back public finance. It's time for all those in favor of good government to demand that their officials cut through the incessant and unremitting murk that has come to surround borrowing in the municipal bond market. Everything's a big secret.

It's the public's credit, after all, and the public's money. The public shouldn't have to put up with convoluted, jargon-laden answers to simple questions -- that is, when it gets answers at all. The public shouldn't have to pry information out of state and local governments and authorities with Freedom of Information letters and the like. It's time to challenge the culture of concealment.

The state wants voters to approve almost $3 billion in new borrowing, and yet it can't even get some already authorized borrowing done.

The New York State Thruway Authority on Tuesday postponed the sale of $3 billion in highway and bridge bonds because Comptroller Alan Hevesi hadn't completed a review of the issue. Hevesi yesterday said he had finished his review, and he wasn't going to approve the bond issue because it was a "gimmick'' and a ``bad deal.'' "This is not a refinancing to save money with lower interest rates,'' he said. "It saves $1.3 billion in the short term by not paying any principal for five years while increasing costs by $1.77 billion in the remaining 15 years.'' This may be the first time a New York state comptroller hasn't approved a bond issue. May it not be the last. During yesterday's press conference, Hevesi called the Thruway deal ``another case of the state using a public authority to do back-door borrowing and impose huge costs on an unaware public.''

In exchange for their vote this November, New Yorkers should ask why a deal is being sold through negotiation rather than at auction. How were the underwriters selected? How are the proceeds invested, and why is it done that way?

And then there's the matter of swaps and derivatives. This is an area that should frighten taxpayers from coast to coast, not only in New York.

New Yorkers should be worried that their local governments and authorities have entered into costly transactions that they may not really need and almost certainly don't understand. These may be perfectly wonderful financial instruments, though their complexity has probably outstripped the knowledge of all but a handful of local officials.

New Yorkers should insist that they be told all about these transactions, their risks and what they cost. Who's being paid to set these up? Are any companies getting a cut of the fees without doing any discernible work? What did the various parties to a deal do for the money?

What did the swap itself cost? The municipality may not write a check, but that doesn't mean the swap didn't cost anything. The cost can be figured out from Day One, in a comparison of the present value of the money the counterparties pay to each other, and it is usually expressed in terms of basis points, as well as dollars.

Public finance isn't magic, so stop patronizing the public. We're not stupid.

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000039&refer=columnist_mysak&sid=acIFvvuCBcGs

you gotta love mysak's deadpan delivery

ah, that was me

At a fundraising dinner for a school that serves learning
disabled children, the father of one of the students delivered a speech
that would never be forgotten by all who attended.

After extolling the school and its dedicated staff, he offered a
question.

"When not interfered with by outside influences, everything
nature does is done with perfection. Yet my son, Shay, cannot learn
things as other children do. He cannot understand things as other
children do. Where is the natural order of things in my son?"

The audience was stilled by the query.

The father continued. "I believe, that when a child like Shay
comes into the world, an opportunity to realize true human nature
presents itself, and it comes, in the way other people treat that
child."

Then he told the following story: Shay and his father had walked
past a park where some boys Shay knew were playing baseball.

Shay asked, "Do you think they'll let me play?"

Shay's father knew that most of the boys would not want someone
like Shay on their team, but the father also understood that if his son
were allowed to play, it would give him a much-needed sense of
belonging. Shay's father approached one of the boys on the field and
asked if Shay could play.

The boy looked around for guidance and, getting none, he took
matters into his own hands and said, "We're losing by six runs and the
game is in the eighth inning ... I guess he can be on our team and we'll
try to put him in to bat in the ninth inning."

In the bottom of the eighth inning, Shay's team scored a few
runs but was still behind by three.

In the top of the ninth inning, Shay put on a glove and played
in the outfield.

Even though no hits came his way, he was obviously ecstatic just
to be in the game and on the field, grinning from ear to ear as his
father waved to him from the stands.

In the bottom of the ninth inning, Shay's team scored again.
Now, with two outs and the bases loaded, the potential winning run was
on base and Shay was scheduled to be next at bat.

At this juncture, let Shay bat and give away their chance to win
the game?

Surprisingly, Shay was given the bat. Everyone knew that a hit
was all but impossible 'cause Shay didn't even know how to hold the bat
properly, much less connect with the ball.

However, as Shay stepped up to the plate, the pitcher moved in a
few steps to lob the ball in softly so Shay could at least be able to
make contact.

The first pitch came and Shay swung clumsily and missed. The
pitcher again took a few steps forward to toss the ball softly towards
Shay.

As the pitch came in, Shay swung at the ball and hit a slow
ground ball right back to the pitcher.

The pitcher picked up the soft grounder and could have easily
thrown the ball to the first baseman. Shay would have been out and that
would have been the end of the game.

Instead, the pitcher took the ball and turned and threw the ball
on a high arc to right field, far beyond the reach of the first baseman.

Everyone started yelling, "Shay, run to first! Run to first!"

Never in his life had Shay ever made it to first base. He
scampered down the baseline, wide-eyed and startled.

Everyone yelled, "Run to second, run to second!"

By the time Shay rounded first base, the right fielder had the
ball.

He could have thrown the ball to the second-baseman for the tag,
but he understood the pitcher's intentions and intentionally threw the
ball high and far over the third-baseman's head.

Shay ran toward second base as the runners ahead of him
deliriously circled the bases toward home.

Shay reached second base, the opposing shortstop ran to him,
turned him in the direction of third base, and shouted, "Run to third!"

As Shay rounded third, the boys from both teams were screaming,
"Shay, run home!"

Shay ran to home, stepped on the plate, and was cheered as the
hero who hit the "grand slam" and won the game for his team.

"That day," said the father softly with tears now rolling down
his face, "the boys from both teams helped bring a piece of true love
and humanity into this world."

lets go mets

In the next few days, all hell will be breaking loose when prosecutor Fitzgerald starts handing out Grand Jury indictments. Is this the beginning of the end of our political nightmare? Please stay tuned and have faith in the American system of Justice, what little we have left to work with.

FROGGY WILL CRY WHEN HE DOES TIME, UH-HUH, UH-HUH

FROGGY WILL CRY WHEN HE DOES TIME, UH-HUH, UH-HUH

FROGGY WILL CRY WHEN HE DOES TIME,

HE'LL CURL UP IN A LITTLE BALL AND DIE

FROGGY WILL CRY WHEN HE DOES TIME, UH-HUH!

Posted by: Don't Read This at July 22, 2005 03:14 PM

tears to the teas sort of stuff.

beautifully touching story.

I'm expecting to find out that Shays' real name is Geore W Bush, the 2000 election was a metaphore for presidental election and the `pitcher' was the supreme court!

>>and the `pitcher' was the supreme court

and the right fielder and infeilders are metaphores ofr the mainstream media

or, perhaps my incessant typos and misspellings are giving me away as the REAL Shay?

Chubby have given up on finding work? I notice you are here more than anyone now. I fear you are in decline. Many of us are worried about you.

the boys from both teams helped bring a piece of true love and humanity into this world."

Posted by: Don't Read This at July 22, 2005 03:15 PM

great, they'll throw the gamet for that kid...Why won't anyone do it for the Mariners?

Is it pronounced dAdA?

law is simply politics by other means - david kairys

http://www.mumia.nl/TCCDMAJ/illusion.htm

you ever read mumia's writings? he's really good

http://www.mumia.nl/TCCDMAJ/index.htm#Writings

Many of us are worried about you.

Posted by: A Sad Case at July 22, 2005 03:26 PM

then hire me freelance

eya gang!

lunch time!

good bloggie last thread.

this one putting along just fine.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Former U.S. intelligence officers criticized President Bush on Friday for not disciplining Karl Rove in connection with the leak of the name of a CIA officer, saying Bush's lack of action has jeopardized national security.

In a hearing held by Senate and House Democrats examining the implications of exposing Valerie Plame's identity, the former intelligence officers said Bush's silence has hampered efforts to recruit informants to help the United States fight the war on terror. Federal law forbids government officials from revealing the identity of an undercover intelligence officer.

SNIP

Dana Perino, a White House spokesman, said Friday that the administration would have no comment on the investigation while it was continuing.

Patrick Lang, a retired Army colonel and defense intelligence officer, said Bush's silence sends a bad signal to foreigners who might be thinking of cooperating with the U.S. on intelligence matters.

Some of the quotes

"This says to them that if you decide to cooperate, someone will give you up, so you don't do it," Lang said. "They are not going to trust you in any way."

Johnson, who said he is a registered Republican, said he wished a GOP lawmaker would have the courage to stand up and "call the ugly dog the ugly dog."

"Where are these men and women with any integrity to speak out against this?" Johnson asked. "I expect better behavior out of Republicans."

"I wouldn't be here this morning if President Bush had done the one thing required of him as commander in chief - protect and defend the Constitution," said Larry Johnson, a former CIA analyst. "The minute that Valerie Plame's identity was outed, he should have delivered a strict and strong message to his employees."

a as in 'art' or father

Many of us are worried about you.

Posted by: A Sad Case at July 22, 2005 03:26 PM

Chubby is selling selp-help books for worrisome people as you. He has a 12 step program that he can explain better than I can.

EB,

Upcoming indictment? Your feeble mind does not understand that once I pack the Supreme Court, I have no reason to fear the legal system!

Yours truly

Karl

In the 10 years since the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing killed 168 people, roughly 60 right-wing terrorist plots have been uncovered in the United States, according to an upcoming report by the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Project.

The plots, all foiled by law enforcement, reportedly included violent plans by antigovernment militia groups, racist skinhead organizations, and Ku Klux Klan members to use various types of chemical bombs and other weapons.

The plots demonstrate that the Department of Homeland Security still needs to closely monitor right-wing groups, says Heidi Beirich, with the Intelligence Project. The DHS was criticized by hate-group experts in April when an internal planning document on domestic terrorist threats was leaked to the press.

The DHS report listed radical leftist groups, such as the Animal Liberation Front and the Earth Liberation Front, which have been involved in numerous arson cases, but not violent right-wing militia and skinhead groups.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/050712/12natsec.htm

He has a 12 step program that he can explain better than I can.

Posted by: EB at July 22, 2005 03:39 PM

Actually, I've refined it to 3 steps.

1) shut the fuck up.

2) mind yourown business.

3) leave me alone.

best part of the program: no one comes back for the second meeting!

hiya SJ

Beauty of a day here.

The cat just brought in another bird for lunch.

Chubby have given up on finding work? I notice you are here more than anyone now. I fear you are in decline. Many of us are worried about you.

Posted by: A Sad Case at July 22, 2005 03:26 PM

Ah! I see "SYNA The Shithead" is here with his usual charming bullshit again. Bow Wow SYNA ... go back to your buddies at Nicedoggie.com.

As the heat on Rove and Libby intensifies they, at some point, will feel compelled to take a trip down to Houston and request an audience with the Godfather of the Bush Crime Family, Don Herbert Walker. When they get there they will be met by il consigliere, James Baker, who will escort them into the godfather's office. After sitting, chatting and imbibing a demitasse of espresso and a shot of Anisette, Rove will speak and say something like, "Don Herbert Walker, we are having some problems and need your help. This lawyer from Chicago, this no-good Mick, Patrick Fitzgerald is giving us grief. He's trying to muscle in on the family's business. Making a stink, y'know. Can you do something about it and take care of him for us?" After listening quietly, the Godfather pauses and says to Rove, " You come to me to ask for a favor yet you don't show me any respect. You don't treat me like a friend and now you want me to intercede and take care of this lawyer?" Feeling sheepish and ashamed Rove pleads "Please Godfather, Be my friend?". Then Don Herbert Walker holds out his hand and Rove leans over and kisses his ring and repeats "Be my friend, Godfather." Being pleased to see Rove grovel, beg and show cowardly subservience to him, Don Herbert Walker says to him "Go back to Washington and don't worry about this lawyer anymore. He won't bother you again." With that assurance Rove and Libby repeatedly bow to the Godfather as they back away towards the door saying "Thank you, Godfather" effusively. After they leave the office, Don Herbert Walker leans over to his consigliere and says "Give this one to our guy up there. What's his name...Gonzalez?" And so, with that order, AG Gonzalez will eventually fire Patrick Fitzgerald after setting him up in some sort of sex scandal or stinging him with taking a bribe or, if all else fails, seeing that Fitzgerald's skull has an untimely, repeated confrontation with the business end of a Lousville Slugger. Because as we all know too well when it comes to the Bush Crime Family, hey, it's nothing personal. Strictly business. And we can't have you interfering with the family business.

eya EB

what a good lil hunter!

ya, i always praise them highly when

Ruzz an Jaxxor bring me food!

EB,

Upcoming indictment? Your feeble mind does not understand that once I pack the Supreme Court, I have no reason to fear the legal system!

Yours truly

Karl
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Look around Karl. You can't trust anyone anymore. They're all out to get you!! The Feds are closing in on you and the gang. There's no way out. Richard Nixon's ghost can't help you. Power to the people.

"Plainclothes police chased a man in a thick coat through a subway station, wrestled him to the floor of a train car and shot him to death in front of stunned commuters Friday. Police said the shooting was "directly linked" to the investigations of the bomb attacks on London's transit system."

A Congressional candidate who wants to impeach President Bush insists he can win the Republican primary.

Dennis Morrisseau, 62, of West Pawlet, plans to seek the Republican nomination to run for U.S. House of Representatives. The seat is being vacated by Rep. Bernard Sanders, I-Vt., who plans a run for the U.S. Senate.

A central part of his platform, Morrisseau said, will be bringing articles of impeachment against Bush.

He will most likely face Maj. Gen. Martha Rainville, adjutant general of the Vermont National Guard, in the September 2006 primary, along with any other candidates who might get themselves placed on the ballot between now and then.

http://www.rutlandherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050721/NEWS/507210422/1002/NEWS01

The cat is such a great hunter, that the neighbors want me to put a bell on him. I don't mind him catching stuff--I just hate to watch them suffer while he keeps pouncing on them right in front of me. The kitty is extremely quick.

Ooo! Sweet Irony!!! Lose you job ... wanna cry .. use Kimberly Clark Tissues to wipe your bitter, bitter tears.

yupper kma

too realistic to be real funny.

(the names and faces have been changed to

protect the incredibly guilty parties!)

a very good piece of satire!

EB,

Nixon? I'm the one who set him up. We never did approve or forgive him for going to China!

As always

Karl

cats hardwired fer that riff,

yours exceptionately good at it.

they all need a job to do or they go crazy

acrtually, had this been syna or other high visibility troll he would have been far more acserbic.

the exception being wardog, who I believe would have been sincere in the reminder to get off my ass.

and I more or less appreciate the concern.

I wish the recipients of my 20 or 30 job contacts I make a day were similairly concerned about my welfare.

the problem with you Karl is yer in the wrong job.

Vista ...as in America and The World - we are now so far up your ass we have a perfect VISTA of your uvula!

eya CB

they just pokin ya with sharp sticks

bratty kids and fools do that to caged doggers

and chained animals of all kinds. a stupid thing to do...

well, I've been poked by sharper sticks than that

The plots demonstrate that the Department of Homeland Security still needs to closely monitor right-wing groups, says Heidi Beirich, with the Intelligence Project. The DHS was criticized by hate-group experts in April when an internal planning document on domestic terrorist threats was leaked to the press.

Did they say anything about "elf" or any of the "violent" WTO protesters in Seattle?

a very good piece of satire!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at July 22, 2005 03:53 PM

Yes, the Bush Crime Family will sink this economy into the deepest hole, and they'll rule for years to come. But wait, didn't John Gotti die in prison? Did he think he was invincible? Once you get found out, all your enemies are at your throat. Everyone wants to get even. It's just business.

Well Goid Bless Them for showing more initiative than our lame ass President Shrub!! "A group of anti-war senior citizens calling themselves the "Tucson Raging Grannies" say they want to enlist in the U.S. Army and go to Iraq so that their children and grandchildren can come home."

Did they say anything about "elf" or any of the "violent" WTO protesters in Seattle?

Posted by: Thuper at July 22, 2005 04:05 PM

Oops - I shoulda read the rest - sorry

Oh Sweet Jesus!! I just turned 38 on July 16th!! (Happy Birthday Mister Wll Ferrell!! MAN ... you are young!!!)"Faced with major recruiting problems sparked by troop deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Pentagon has asked Congress to raise the maximum age for U.S. military enlistees from 35 to 42 years old."

Lawmakers move to extend daylight-saving time

Everyone's crazy. I'd be too if I were'nt so lazy.

Thanks SJ. Yea, probably too close to being what might be actually happening behind the scenes. With the GF I & II references we often hear from Janeane, Randi and Mike Malloy it's too easy to see the parallels. Was watching the hearings on Covert Agents disclosure and it was interesting to see Cong Waxman hold up that quote from GHWB who himself was the D.C.I. back in 76-77. Just too damn many convolutions and permutations of this situation to really know if these traitorous perps will finally hang.

C-SPAN 1 is showing the replay of the CIA Hearing from this morning

I wish the recipients of my 20 or 30 job contacts I make a day were similairly concerned about my welfare.

Posted by: Chubby_Bubba, Rajah of Bhong at July 22, 2005 04:00 PM

I hear that, CB!!!! Potential employers have gotten alot more lax about even responding when you sending in a resume/application these days. I thought it was bad when you got back a little postcard .. now it seems they don't even do that!! : /

OOOPS!! Poor choice of timing in the use of the word ELF!! I want to make it perfectly clear .. I meant tiny little person who works in Santa's Shoppe .. not an environmental activist who burns up Hummers! .. Not that I am sure they aren't fine folks as welll as the little people .. I just don't need to be dragged into the pookie by the Man!!

Posted by: A Little Elf named Wil masquerading as a Tall Man named Will at July 22, 2005 04:21 PM

and I thought you were pretending to be Ron Burgundy!

BTW: I didn't think Jewish elves can work at Santa's workshop?

Time for Silly Celeb News Korner

Note to self .. after seeing the ads for "Princes of Malibu" .. I can only imagine what he might let a Trophy Wife get away with!!

Chris Rock will have his own show in the fall on UPN ....

Testimony of James Marcinkowski - democratic hearings

July 22, 2005

What is important now is not who wins or loses the political battle or who may or may not be indicted; rather, it is a question of how we will go about protecting the citizens of this country in a very dangerous world. The undisputed fact is that we have irreparably damaged our capability to collect human intelligence and thereby significantly diminished our capability to protect the American people.

Understandable to all Americans is a simple, incontrovertible, but damning truth: the United States government exposed the identity of a clandestine officer working for the CIA. This is not just another partisan "dust-up" between political parties. This unprecedented act will have far-reaching consequences for covert operations around the world. Equally disastrous is that from the time of that first damning act, we have continued on a course of self-inflicted wounds by government officials who have refused to take any responsibility, have played hide-and-seek with the truth and engaged in semantic parlor games for more than two years, all at the expense of the safety of the American people. No government official has that right.

For an understanding of what is at stake it is important to understand some fundamental principles. No country or hostile group, from al Qaeda to any drug rings operating in our cities, likes to be infiltrated or spied upon. The CIA, much like any police department in any city, has undercover officers--spies, that use "cover."

To operate under "cover" means you use some ruse to cloak both your identity and your intentions. The degree of cover needed to carry out any operation varies depending on the target of the investigation. A police officer performing "street buys" uses a "light" cover, meaning he or she could pose as something as simple as a drug user, operate only at night and during the day and, believe it or not, have a desk job in the police station. On the other hand, if an attempt were made to infiltrate a crime syndicate, visiting the local police station or drinking with fellow FBI agents after work may be out of the question. In any scenario, your cover, no matter wha

ya

one of the things that throws peeps for a loop is how many levels this all goes on at, some hidden behind carefully maintained reputations. basically boils down to lies and all the crap that acompnanies lieing in general. yer average joe or joette has'nt done enough research to know that these perps are lieing, and the corporate media goes along with maintaining the facade to get a cut of the deal.

Testimony of James Marcinkowski - democratic hearings

July 22, 2005

To operate under "cover" means you use some ruse to cloak both your identity and your intentions. The degree of cover needed to carry out any operation varies depending on the target of the investigation. A police officer performing "street buys" uses a "light" cover, meaning he or she could pose as something as simple as a drug user, operate only at night and during the day and, believe it or not, have a desk job in the police station. On the other hand, if an attempt were made to infiltrate a crime syndicate, visiting the local police station or drinking with fellow FBI agents after work may be out of the question. In any scenario, your cover, no matter what the degree, provides personal protection and safety. But it does not end there. Cover is also used to protect collection methodology as well as any innocent persons a CIA officer may have regular contact with, such as overseas acquaintances, friends, and even other U.S. government officials.

LINK

STAGING AN ATTACK TO FIX THE COVER-UP OF ANOTHER
(by Impatient)...
This latest “attack” is supposed to correct some faults in the first without causing further mayhem. What has given them the most trouble with the first attack? Their choice of patsies.
They assumed that a loose Muslim connection would be enough to persuade everyone that these lads from Leeds were suicide bombers. But rather than clinch it for the planners, it backfired and the most common and reasonable question that everyone has about the suicide bomber fiction was invoked: How could young men who were not religious fanatics, who were educated, decent fellows, with loving families, and bright futures – how could they kill themselves and others? Another unforeseen problem was the effusive praise coming from Efraim Halevi that described the London bombings as “near-perfect”. Too many people could not get a picture in their minds of four young men with rucksacks able to so perfectly execute simultaneous bombings. It caused doubts that have not been quelled. Too many people saw the hand of the Mossad and its affiliates in the earlier bombing because the four “bombers with rucksacks” did not evoke the necessary sophisticated timing, operational capacity, and scope. The latest “attack” is supposed to reaffirm that young men with rucksacks are perfectly capable of a simultaneous triggering of devices, a demonstrable fearlessness in the face of death, and a disregard for the lives of others, even women with babies. Because all four bombs malfunctioned this time round, it tells us that the bombers are not the Mossad or any other intelligence agency because 100% malfunction is very unprofessional, it may mean that their first bombing was just good luck, not expertise.
While the rucksacks in the first bombing have not turned up, this new bombing tells us once again that four young men carried bomb-laden packs aboard the trains and [would have] died when they detonated. The investigation has not proceeded methodically. The whole question of how the bombing was done and who did it was effectively squelched when they began looking for the needle in the haystack – the CCTV films. Without knowledge of the type of bombs, their pow

The latest “attack” is supposed to reaffirm that young men with rucksacks are perfectly capable of a simultaneous triggering of devices, a demonstrable fearlessness in the face of death, and a disregard for the lives of others, even women with babies. Because all four bombs malfunctioned this time round, it tells us that the bombers are not the Mossad or any other intelligence agency because 100% malfunction is very unprofessional, it may mean that their first bombing was just good luck, not expertise.
While the rucksacks in the first bombing have not turned up, this new bombing tells us once again that four young men carried bomb-laden packs aboard the trains and [would have] died when they detonated. The investigation has not proceeded methodically. The whole question of how the bombing was done and who did it was effectively squelched when they began looking for the needle in the haystack – the CCTV films. Without knowledge of the type of bombs, their power, placement, and detonation, there could be absolutely no reason to begin looking at CCTV tapes. They could not know what to look for without the certainty that the bombs were carried on, and not placed beforehand.
It is significant that of all the thousands of hours of CCTV tape they have examined, the only tape they seem to have of the young men from Leeds does not come from London at all! In the pictures we have seen the lads are in Luton, 25 minutes away. Unless they can show us the “bombers” going their separate ways and boarding three or four different trains I will not believe that the young men ever made it to London. Seeing them together at Luton means nothing if they cannot be placed getting on the trains at exactly the right time to take them the right distance from King’s Cross before they explode. In the case of the 7/7 bombings, going straightaway to the video tapes was very premature and irrational. It can only mean that they knew what they would find because they had planted the "evidence". It makes no sense to begin looking at thousands of hours of video tape from as far away as Luton without any idea of what you are looking for. What could it be? Rucksacks, packages, briefcases, baby strollers, gym bags? Suspicous looking

and I thought you were pretending to be Ron Burgundy!

BTW: I didn't think Jewish elves can work at Santa's workshop?

Posted by: Chubby_Bubba, Rajah of Bhong at July 22, 2005 04:25 PM

Well... I was stretching the limits of the "Wil/Will" name really!! Will was Ron Burgundy .. I was peretending to be Ron Burgundy and the Channel 4 News Team.... ah.... it was a stretch!! Work with me people!!! ; )

And don't get me in trouble with the Big Guy .. you know how he is about the "Baby Jesus" folks!! I just play along and hope he doesn't notice the Yarmulke under my elf hat!! ( yes .. I know .. ladies don't wear yarmukles .. WORK WITH ME PEOPLE!!!!!)

; )

Former Intelligence Officials Testify About Damage Caused by Outing of Covert CIA Agent - Video & Transcript Links:

http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=40

In the case of the 7/7 bombings, going straightaway to the video tapes was very premature and irrational. It can only mean that they knew what they would find because they had planted the "evidence". It makes no sense to begin looking at thousands of hours of video tape from as far away as Luton without any idea of what you are looking for. What could it be? Rucksacks, packages, briefcases, baby strollers, gym bags? Suspicous looking people of a certain race? And remember that the first story was that at least 24 people had been involved. What would be the motivation to look at the tapes from Luton? Did they also look at tapes from video cameras at the airports and bus stations? It would seem to be just as reasonable to look at those tapes as looking at Luton. And why is the Luton tape the only tape? Luton is interesting because an office of ICTS (the Israeli security firm) is about a mile from a Thameslink station. ICTS is actually located in the Luton and Dunstable NHS Hospital. It seems a little odd for this firm that handles security for the Stansted airport would be located at the Hospital. Just like the problem with 9/11 and Madrid - there were no hijackers and no bombers to film. They tried to get around that on 7/7 by getting some patsies to photograph. They did not leave it to chance, for those picked had to be disposed of as though they had been killed in the blasts.

Does anyone listen to Steve Earl? His music is flat lame. I saw a chevy truck commercial and was shocked to hear "The revolution starts now" as the background music.

Sold Out to the Man.

eya kid!

yeah you.

wanna make 200 bucks?

take this package to the (xxx) station.

don't ask no questions and you'll be paid when you deliver...

(sorta would explain why witnesses saw one of the first bombers nervously examining his backpack, would'nt it?)

POLICE REFUSE TO TALK

Some reports say he was shot in a bus
Some say he was shot in the subway station
Some say outside the subway station
Some say inside the carrige
Some say his leg got stuck at the door

Well , he is dead. VERY dead. 5 bullets at point blank.

Rather obvious they wanted to be damned sure he would never talk...

Let's see what story THEY will tell us tomorrow

London Police Shoot, Kill Man at Subway Station,
Cordon Off Mosque Following Bomb Threat

The Conservative Voice - London
7-22-5

Police shot to death a man wearing a thick coat at a subway station and cordoned off a mosque on Friday, a day after the city was hit by a second wave of terror attacks in two weeks. Metropolitan Police said the man died after being shot by officers at the Stockwell subway station in south London. Passengers said they saw police pursuing a man who appeared to be of Pakistani or Indian descent. Some said police pursued him into a subway car and shot him when he tripped. But one witness said police "pushed him onto the floor and unloaded five shots into him." "He looked like a cornered fox. He looked petrified," Mark Whitby told the British Broadcasting Corp. Police had no immediate details on the situation at the mosque in east London. But a Muslim leader said it was evacuated following a bomb threat.
Mohammed Abdul Bari, chairman of the East London Mosque, said the threat came in a telephone call Friday morning. A bomb squad came was searching the premises. More than 6,000 people were expected for Friday afternoon prayers but there were only about a dozen people inside at the time of the threat...
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/ap/articl
e.html?mi=D8BGD8JG0&apc=9002

Can we have an election somewhere in this coutnry that ISN'T hosed???????

Printing boo-boo throws mayoral election into doubt

best part is that if the bomb goes of theres not even cash to trace on the bombers (patsies) body, and delivery is free!

if the bomb does'nt go off you just set up a pick up patsie and have him drop the "package" someplace safe to defuse or dispose it!

thats how they did it. simple, elegant, untracable and cut offs at every point including the paymaster.

All you Yuppies out there .. you will still be able to get parts for your Range Rovers!!

Chinese automaker buys MG Rover

thats how they did it. simple, elegant, untracable and cut offs at every point including the paymaster.

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at July 22, 2005 04:47 PM

Eya SJ - you could make a fortune writing fiction....I like it. Seems plausible - but not likely. Very creative mind you have, sir ;)

Bush Administration Files 11th Hour Papers Blocking the Release of Darby CD Photos and Video Of Abu Ghraib Torture

Synopsis

On July 22, the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) denounced the latest efforts of the Bush Administration to block the release of the Darby photos and videos depicting torture at Iraq’s Abu Ghraib prison facility. On June 2, 2004, CCR, along with the ACLU, Physicians for Human Rights, Veterans for Common Sense, and Veterans for Peace filed papers with the U.S. District Court, charging the Department of Defense and other government agencies with illegally withholding records concerning the abuse of detainees in American military custody. Since then, the organizations have been repeatedly rebuffed in their efforts to investigate what happened at the prison.

In June, the government requested and received an extension from the judge stating that they needed time in order to redact the faces of the men, women and children believed to be shown in the photographs and videos. They were given until today to produce the images, but at the eleventh hour filed a motion to oppose the release of the photos and videos, based on an entirely new argument: they are now requesting a 7(F) exemption from disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act to withhold law enforcement-related information in order to protect the physical safety of individuals. Today’s move is the latest in a series of attempts by the government to keep the images from being made public and to cover up the torture of detainees in U.S. custody around the world.

Joseph Darby was the U.S reservist who turned over the photos and videos to U.S. Army officials and touched off the Abu Ghraib scandal in April 2004.

“This is absolutely unacceptable,” stated Michael Ratner, President of the Center for Constitutional Rights. “We can not move forward from this scandal until we have a full public accounting and independent investigation into what happened at Abu Ghraib. The government cannot continue to hide evidence of torture. The time to release these photos and videos was a long time ago.”

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