*

Spoing!

*

//Because those that get into office are adept at campaigning and raising money...not running the country.//

hail hail teh democrap an rethuglican partees! corsen ya cant voter green or libertarian. after all, theyn nvern win.

kep on same ole same ole.

"Rock Sweet Rock" by Bob Marley

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000573FF/qid=1120016154/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/104-4955737-7679908?v=glance

Hey. Did you know that Newt Gingrinch 'wrote' a
book?

Its called 1945. I just found it. It was authored by William R Forstchen, but for some reason Newt's
name is on the cover too.

Here is the blurb from the side panel:

Join Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich and fellow historian William R Forstchen in a world that, save for Adolf Hitler's unexplicable folly in prematurely declaring war on the United States
in 1941 would have been. Seduction and betryal, global strategy, secret weapons of the Luftwaffe,
brilliant American ripostes to commando raides
on American soil, the invasion of England, desperate air-sea battles...Its 1945-and your there!

oh BOY!

copywrite 1995. Riverdale NY

Since Iraq is not complicit in terrorist attacks against the U.S. I did not bother to ask.

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at June 28, 2005 11:33 PM

================================================

We can fight them in the Mideast or fight them in the Midwest..

It is war..

Better to fight them in Iraq!

Been looking on message boards, if I knew "The Bush" was going to cry croc tears I wouldn't of changed it to a rerun of "Becker".

tanks wanda

Jammin by St Marley

useta by my favorite fishin song!

hail hail democraps! rethuclicans! an perot to.
hail hail they teh red an white an bloo!
hail hail to same ole crap
at leest we werent
vote for bush
hail hail but we want em same ole crap!

shit by em any nother name still aint smeller like em rose

"Milk Man" By Deerhoof (It's deerhoof yo! )

http://puzzle.suchfun.net/deerhoof/128/milk_man.mp3

From the department of "great minds think alike":

Same Old Same Old by billmon

...

If you go back and look at the old party lines (versions 1.0 and 2.0) you can quickly see that something new has been added. Heretofore, the "anti-Iraqi forces" have consisted of:

1.) Foreign Terrorists (aka "assassins")
2.) Regime Remnants (aka "dead enders")
3.) Criminal Elements (aka "thugs")

But now we have a fourth category, one with a nice neutral name that doesn't allude to hacking people's heads off or gassing your own people or hating our freedoms:

4.) Iraqi Insurgents (aka "negotiating partners.")

From there on out, the speech carefully and repeatedly distinguished between the terrorists and the insurgents, who are now -- in the fantasy world of the White House propaganda shop at least -- two unique and different populations, where before they were one and indivisible:

...

It really is amazing what you can do with -- and to -- the English language.

_______

Parsing language and how Bush is hedging his bets and intends to negotiate with terrorists.

Moral clarity, right, Wado?

//We can fight them in the Mideast or fight them in the Midwest..

It is war..

Better to fight them in Iraq!

Posted by: War Dog at June 28, 2005 11:39 PM
//

at leestn we can gotter homefeeld advantaje wedo.

useta by my favorite fishin song!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 28, 2005 11:40 PM

was going to post massive amount of Marley. but the only dude I know online has his server konking tonite. So raggae party is momentarily suspended.

get out

The list so far. It's head bopping mellow....

just hope nobody changes my mood to something werid. hah...

-----------

Jammin' by bob marley

http://webjay.org/by/superflyjess/superflyjess5c27splaylist#2704506

"Snakes and Ladders" by Basia Bulat (must download, very sweet)

http://sixeyes.blogspot.com/2005/06/basia-bulat.html

"Things Are What You Make Of Them" by Bishop Allen

http://sixeyes.blogspot.com/2005/06/bishop-allen.html

"Bossa Rev" By Blanket Music

http://music.download.com/blanketmusic/3600-8591_32-100007191.html

"Time's Not Your Friend by FRIENDS OF DEAN MARTINEZ

http://www.insound.com/mp3/searchmp3.cfm?searchby=F&searchtype=artist&startnum=81

"Rock Sweet Rock" by Bob Marley

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000573FF/qid=1120016154/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/104-4955737-7679908?v=glance

"Milk Man" By Deerhoof (It's deerhoof yo! )

http://puzzle.suchfun.net/deerhoof/128/milk_man.mp3

Wow. And right off the git go there is sexual overtones! imagine that! A republican writing (or
dictating) a smut novel:

...Still, he mustn't let her see just how much she moved him...Playfully, to drive home the potential loss, she bit his shoulder, then kissed
it better.

Ah, hell, I don't want to...I wish I could just divorce Mrs. Little Goodie Two Shoes!

from the Prolog [sic] of 1945 by Newt Gingrich and
an actual writer, William R. Forstchen.

ya sis,

reggae party

to look forward to!

Spoing!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 28, 2005 11:36 PM

lol,

how does that old sea-dog do it

wedo! teh war an taxes guy!

thatn not mite be em popeyoolar platform wedo. now adder litter deth penileties to it an yoo mite haf sumthin goin.

malloy has the best callers

his last caller, mark (of www.justsaynotofascism.com) mentioned the "balkinization of america"

this is real frightening

and a real possibility

we ill bite em in teh feelds we will bite em in teh arse. we will never serender!

-chirchill4doo

hiya n! gotter spot reserf fro me wit teh rabits?

"Milk Man" By Deerhoof (It's deerhoof yo! )

http://puzzle.suchfun.net/deerhoof/128/milk_man.mp3

"Sweet Baby" By The Gossip

http://www.killrockstars.com/soundvideo/index.html

"Cried Wolf" by Natalie London

http://betterpropaganda.com/album_page.asp?id=1067

"Smack" By Bettie Serveert

http://www.insound.com/mp3/searchmp3.cfm?searchby=B&searchtype=artist&startnum=41

"Rub-A-Dub Style" By Bob Marley

http://webjay.org/iteminfo/405062/2648ef54120920269d68cca1239578e7

ima gotter pleny sperience raisin zookinis an habaneros.

now,

itn my speriense rabits are luv a litter zookinis with em dasher vinagar an dasher cumino.

not to keen on em habaneros

jusn so theirs no confuzerin ya dont were zookinis on yoo titties unleessn absolootley compelled to.

Parsing language and how Bush is hedging his bets and intends to negotiate with terrorists.

Moral clarity, right, Wado?

Posted by: dr at June 28, 2005 11:42 PM

=================================================

Would you be happier if we kill every last man, woman, and child?

First you cry "dead babies"

Then you cry "negotiating with terrorists"

I think it is right and proper to let the terrorist know what they need to do to save their lives and the lives of their families..

If it was not Iraq it would be Afghanistan..

Or anywhere else in the world they could organize an effort..

Hillary will fight the war just as Bush has done..

Nothing is going to change that!

dependin yoo size tho ya mite wanner chek out em cyoocumers an sumer sqwashes to.

sumtimes em radishes feel nise to.

Mayhew looked at his delicious interrogator. For a moment here intensity almost frightened him.
Then he was overcome by it, by her. His had been
a strict upbringing, and his marriage had not been born of love but of political opportunity, though his wife didn't know that. So he capitulated. Besides, he wanted to tell. What good were secrets if you couldn't share?

"okay. i surrender"

from the Prolog of 1945 by Newt Gingrich co authored by William R. Forsrchen

Ah, yes, like the phoenix from the flames, the re-emergence of this cheerful old chestnut:

"Iraq is the latest battlefield in this war . . . There is only one course of action against them: to defeat them abroad before they attack us at home."

How does our military presence in Iraq create a physical barrier to terrorist infiltration in the United States?

How does it stop terrorists from multiplying in exponential growth?

This meme is unthinkingly cited over and over.

The definitive smackdown -- by a conservative: Matt Labash at the Weekly Standard.

Nothing is going to change that!

Posted by: War Dog at June 28, 2005 11:57 PM

I LOVE YOU, WAR DOG

Nothing is going to change that!

nothing

nothing

nothing

(continue whispering "nothing" into war-dog's ear........ notihing, nougjnf, fnfjkvifkf)

if there were an example, that doesn't mean the same scenario will play out in Iraq.

Posted by: Anon 1 at June 28, 2005 11:24 PM

He was so confident about his assertion I was wondering what historic example he was using as the basis to justify it.

Many here and elsewhere, including me, are not so confident regarding the outcome of this adventure.

Tens if not hundreds of thousands have been killed or injured needlessly. What outcome can possibly justify it?

Does the end justify the means?

------------------------------------------

The inevitable outcome..

As the Iraqi army day by day grows in strength..

The terrorists will be more and more isolated and vulnerable..

The Iraqi people will continue on the road to democracy with no use for the terrorist and death they bring with them..

What other outcome is possible?

Posted by: War Dog at June 28, 2005 10:15 PM

What historic example of similar circumstance created the outcome you are suggesting?

From everything I've seen regarding this the outcome does not suggest the image you present.

Example:

French occupied Algeria - They beat the insurgents and were forced to leave the country 2 years aafter the French declared Victory.

After WWII the Frence again had to give up on their colonial designs as did the U.S. Vietnam.

30 years after the overthrow of Mosedeqe in Iran ended in the creation of a radicalized religous revolution.

I do not believe Nicaragua qualifies as a sucessful scenario. Reagan/Bush circumvented congressional funding and received largese from drug smugglers to fund the war to devistating domestic effect. Thousands lost their lives in the U.S. cities and Nicaragua.

Not a very impressive record.

Wow Air Ono. That is a nice show of across the aisle!

air-ono ushuly posts nise stuff girly. :)

Would you be happier if we kill every last man, woman, and child?

First you cry "dead babies"

Then you cry "negotiating with terrorists"

I think it is right and proper to let the terrorist know what they need to do to save their lives and the lives of their families..

If it was not Iraq it would be Afghanistan..

Or anywhere else in the world they could organize an effort..

Hillary will fight the war just as Bush has done..

Nothing is going to change that!

Posted by: War Dog at June 28, 2005 11:57 PM

_____________

You are imputing motives upon me, Wado.

My point was not that Bush shouldn't talk to the insurgent leaders. I think he should. It's one of the few options he has left.

My point was more about the appalling hypocrisy of our war president.

For years, these people have been equated with terrorists. Before you know it, they will be freedom fighters.

My point is how full of shit Bush is and how little he (or his team) understands what he's doing.

Truly, as Hagel said, it's like they're making it up as they go along.

They are.

And it shows.

Earlier he was talking about Wanda's, uh you know.

He called it evil.

Obey Me!

BEELZEBUB!

BEELZEBUB!

"BEELZEBUB, has a devil put aside for you" *, war-dog

chase cars, war dog

beware!

beware!

.

* from queen's bohemian rhapsody, war-dog

The boys turn......after the girls above.. (and I am running out of marley life link)

-------------

"Heroes And Villains" by Brian Wilson

http://betterpropaganda.com/artist_page.asp?id=731

"Doorframe" by Boyracer

http://www.epitonic.com/artists/boyracer.html

"The Second Line" by Clinic

http://www.epitonic.com/artists/clinic.html

"Storm Across The Sea" by Chuck Prophet

http://betterpropaganda.com/artist_page.asp?id=874

"Climb the Ladder" by Bob Marley

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000059PFD/qid=1120018089/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/002-2525732-4378413?v=glance

//Earlier he was talking about Wanda's, uh you know.

He called it evil.

Posted by: Girly at June 29, 2005 12:07 AM
//

ima hate evil yoo knoewws.

>:(

convertin it to good! convertin it to goodd beforen its to late!

goddam evil knee caps.

>:(

guess you had to be there. too bad we don't have logs or something.

#

Not a very impressive record.

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at June 29, 2005 12:03 AM

=================================================

You Happily skip by the the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe..

The people of Iraq want freedom and democracy..

Given time they will have it..

The world continues to change..

The people of Iraq want freedom and democracy..

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 12:10 AM

and how exactly does the people of Iraq has freedom and democracy now?

1. Show they can decide their own destiny.
2. show that the last election was monitored by international body.
3. show that the current government is legitimate and any country recognize it by having their embassy open in Iraq.

cheers mucko & #

it's just squiggles that bounce off me as i listen to malloy & read the blog

one of these days i might be able to make a real contribution

less absurdity, more analysis

something 2 hang ur hat on

My point was not that Bush shouldn't talk to the insurgent leaders. I think he should. It's one of the few options he has left.

================================================

We have the original option left..

Destroy the enemy..

Do is with our troops..

And the Iraqi army..

Before the first gulf war Iraq had the fourth largest army in the world..

If the terrorist wish to fight to their last man ..

So be it!

we already have a lot of analysis here.

plenty, plenty plenty.

#

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 12:19 AM

you talk plenty of 'destroying stuff' you still haven't show anything being buid. I sure as hell don't see 'freedom and democracy'

should we repeat again.

1. what is Democracy?

2. what is Freedom?

3. show that Iraq has democracy and freedom?

...

The complete 'Jammin' list repost.

-------

Jammin' by bob marley

http://webjay.org/by/superflyjess/superflyjess5c27splaylist#2704506

"Snakes and Ladders" by Basia Bulat (must download, very sweet)

http://sixeyes.blogspot.com/2005/06/basia-bulat.html

"Things Are What You Make Of Them" by Bishop Allen

http://sixeyes.blogspot.com/2005/06/bishop-allen.html

"Bossa Rev" By Blanket Music

http://music.download.com/blanketmusic/3600-8591_32-100007191.html

"Time's Not Your Friend by FRIENDS OF DEAN MARTINEZ

http://www.insound.com/mp3/searchmp3.cfm?searchby=F&searchtype=artist&startnum=81

"Rock Sweet Rock" by Bob Marley

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000573FF/qid=1120016154/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/104-4955737-7679908?v=glance

"Milk Man" By Deerhoof (It's deerhoof yo! )

http://puzzle.suchfun.net/deerhoof/128/milk_man.mp3

"Sweet Baby" By The Gossip

http://www.killrockstars.com/soundvideo/index.html

"Cried Wolf" by Natalie London

http://betterpropaganda.com/album_page.asp?id=1067

"Smack" By Bettie Serveert

http://www.insound.com/mp3/searchmp3.cfm?searchby=B&searchtype=artist&startnum=41

Curious Case

June 28, 2005

On Monday, the United States Supreme Court refused to hear an appeal by two journalists who face up to 18 months in prison for refusing to identify an anonymous source, even though one of them never wrote a word based on the source's tip and the other reported only what a third had written.

The "third" journalist in this peculiar legal triangle is the one who apparently broke the law, and yet so far he appears to be immune from prosecution and is smugly keeping his own counsel.

By now, the details are familiar to many Americans. Conservative columnist Robert Novak reported that Valerie Plame, the wife of an outspoken critic of the Bush administration, was an active CIA agent. It is against the law to publish the names of active agents, yet to date Novak has curiously paid no price for his obviously illegal disclosure.

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050628/NEWS/506280340/1021/OPINION01

and how exactly does the people of Iraq has freedom and democracy now?

=================================================

Do you think they want to be slaves of the Minority Sunnis again..?

Or do you think they was Islamic Fundimentalism like Iran?

Or perhaps another dictator like Saddam!

why do republicans write smut?

the stuff that liberals write is actually thought provoking.

we get a fantasy world from Newt Gingrich about
a permanent hitler rule and sadism. wtf is wrong with these people?

If Miller and Cooper have to serve as much as one day behind bars while Novak remains free, then clearly Americans will have witnessed a gross miscarriage of justice. What won't be so clear is the motive behind the injustice. Fitzgerald needs to tell the public exactly what purpose he is serving.

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050628/NEWS/506280340/1021/OPINION01

You Happily skip by the the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe..

The people of Iraq want freedom and democracy..

Given time they will have it..

The world continues to change..

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 12:10 AM

I did not happily do anything. I'm trying to engage you in actual discussion on your assertion.

To further the point The Soviets in Afghanistan were sucessfully repelled by the Afghans - Taliban, Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda.

BTW: Bin Laden was of the opinion the he and Al Qaeda were sucessful in defeating the Soviet Union in Afghanistan and by doing so indirectly caused the collapse of a global superpower.

That may very well be the example drawn to motivate those who oppose the U.S. presence in Iraq.

hi Mel:)

#

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 12:25 AM

show definition of democracy, show definition of freedom.

Then you can yakk about freedom and democracy in Iraq.

Show wardog. show first. then you can go all over the place.

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 12:25 AM

do you think vatican has freedom and democracy? How about Burma? (just to play with your dumb ass definition)

We have the original option left..

Destroy the enemy..

Do is with our troops..

And the Iraqi army..

Before the first gulf war Iraq had the fourth largest army in the world..

If the terrorist wish to fight to their last man ..

So be it!

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 12:19 AM

_____________

Can't find 'em to kill 'em b/c -- surprise! -- they are hiding among the people.

Hence the desperate solution of resorting to torture.

A vicious circle (horrid pun intended).

Do you want to kill all the people?

Or, in your own words: "Would you be happier if we kill every last man, woman, and child?"

Consider:

Even as the statues of Saddam were being pulled down in Baghdad, the Army and the U.S. Joint Forces Command were conducting an extensive round of high-level war games -- Unified Quest 2003 -- designed to test four different scenarios for the war on terrorism.

One of them was the invasion and occupation of a mythical Southeast Asian country with a large and well-armed Islamic separatist movement.

An article in the May 27, 2003 edition of the Wall Street Journal described what happened next:

Read the article and get back to me.

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 12:25 AM

It's half past midnite eastern, you are not going to be able to pull 'mothers day dinner excuse'

so either type out the definition, or forever stfu about freedom and democracy in Iraq.

Raul Midon!!!!!!

hi Mel:)

#

Posted by: Anonymous at June 29, 2005 12:27 AM

Hey Kiddo!!!!

How's it going tonight?

good Mel. Did you know that Newt Gingrich wrote a book?

#

Its about 1945 and what would happen if Hitler didn't lose the war.

How are you?

To further the point The Soviets in Afghanistan were sucessfully repelled by the Afghans - Taliban, Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda.

=================================================

No one can win a war in Afghanistan..

Sound familiar..??

Until we did it!

You can re-hash all the defeats you like..

The outcome in Iraq is a matter of time..

Both the Iraqi army and our force grow stronger..

The terrorist may choose to come to the slaughter..

Better now than later..

Iraqi leader denies rebel talks

Iraq's president has denied his government has talked to insurgents, contradicting an earlier claim by US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
"The Iraqi government has nothing to do with the negotiations with insurgents," Jalal Talabani said on Tuesday.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4631763.stm

I'm beginning to feel like the collapse of the WTCs and Pentagon portion weren't really so very bad, really.

Maron have mercy on my soul.

Both the Iraqi army and our force grow stronger..

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 12:36 AM

and your lying ass is groing bigger..

*Posted by: Anonymous at June 29, 2005 12:37 AM

As criminal acts of violence go, I mean. Ya know.

show definition of democracy, show definition of freedom.

Then you can yakk about freedom and democracy in Iraq.

Show wardog. show first. then you can go all over the place.

Posted by: wanda at June 29, 2005 12:27 AM

================================================

You struggle to change facts into definitions..

You do this because you know just as I do what the outcome in Iraq will be..

You have known it since the Purple Finger..

The Iraqi people have spoken ...

You pretend not to listen..

.....Has anyone else noticed how all of Bush's "major policy speeches" just end up being old talking points, delivered with slightly less mumbling and fumbling?.....

Actually .. what I noticed most in the .. oh .. 35 seconds of the bullshit I could stomach .. was that he seems to keep pivoting his head back and forth across the crowd as if it were on a turn-table. The point of looking at the crowd assembled is to gauge the reaction to what you are saying and punch points more effectively or tailor your speech to try to win favor with your less favorable ideas... get people "on board," if you will. He doesn't even seem to try .....

Need some inspiration?

While The Majority Report is taking a vacation, check out:

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Series hosted by Robert Redford on PBS

The New Heroes tells the dramatic stories of 14 daring people from all corners of the globe who, against all odds, are successfully alleviating poverty and illness, combating unemployment and violence, and bringing education, light, opportunity and freedom to poor and marginalized people around the world.

Also known as social entrepreneurs, they develop innovations that bring life-changing tools and resources to people desperate for viable solutions.

What is possible? You'd be surprised. Take a journey into a world where people take action to make a big difference.

LINK:

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http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20050511/a_iraqnews11.art.htm

Iraq insurgents' strength surprises U.S. troops
Militants set up base near Syrian border

U.S. and Iraqi officials have struggled to better patrol the 350-mile Syrian border. But the �tyranny of distance and mass� makes it difficult to seal off from illegal crossers, who use centuries-old smuggling routes, Chase said.

http://author.voanews.com/english/2005-06-23-voa75.cfm

US General: Iraqi Insurgency Maintaining Strength

The commander of U.S. military forces in the Gulf region says the overall strength of Iraq's insurgency is unchanged from six months ago.

Flanked by Secretary Rumsfeld and other top U.S. military officers, General John Abizaid gave a sobering assessment of Iraq's insurgency in testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Both the Iraqi army and our force grow stronger..

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 12:36 AM

---

and your lying ass is groing bigger..

Posted by: wanda at June 29, 2005 12:38 AM

___________

Hmm.

Never thought a that angle before.

Maybe, similar to Pinochio, neocons and their apologists feel like lying helps their wankers grow.

US faces prison ship allegations

The United Nations says it has learned of serious allegations that the US is secretly detaining terrorism suspects, notably on American military ships.
The special rapporteur on torture Manfred Nowak said the accusations were rumours at this stage, but urged the US to co-operate in an investigation.

He said the UN wants lists of the places of detention and those held.

The comments come five days after the UN accused the US of stalling on their requests to visit Guantanamo Bay.

Investigators have been asking to visit the jail in Cuba to carry out checks into allegations of human rights abuse.

The UN said for over a year there had been no response to its requests, and it would begin an inquiry into alleged abuses with or without US co-operation.

Washington had yet to grant their request, Mr Nowak said.

He told the BBC there were a number of allegations from reliable sources that the US was holding terrorist suspects in secret places of detention, including vessels abroad.

He said that according to the reports, the ships were believed to be in the Indian Ocean.

Mr Nowak said the charges of secret detention camps were very serious, amounting to enforced disappearances.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4632087.stm

You struggle to change facts into definitions..

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 12:39 AM

Maybe. But supply YOUR definition first. Because it seems to me, you absolutely has no idea what freedom and democracy mean.

If I remember last time, you try to pass the idea that democracy is about standing in line while getting shot at.

And you still has not supply the definition of democracy since then. (ie. You bluster, you parse, you BS your way through....but you still hasn't supply the definition)

So....supply YOUR definition of freedom and democracy, then you can move claiming that Iraq has freedom and democracy.

You Happily skip by the the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe..

The people of Iraq want freedom and democracy..

Given time they will have it..

The world continues to change..

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 12:10 AM

BTW: The U.S. never confronted the Soviet Union directly. It was a Cold War fought surrogately in aligned countries.

Nicaragua was one of them. The domestic result was collateral damage in the cities across the U.S. in the form of murders motivated by profits from cocaine smuggling/dealing that funded Reagan/Bush's war.

The world continues to change..

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CONTACT YOUR REPRESENTATIVES ABOUT THE WAR IN IRAQ, THE DOWNING STREET MEMO & IMPEACHMENT!!!

CONTACT YOUR REPRESENTATIVES AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT YOU THINK!

YOU CAN FIND YOUR REPRESENTATIVES CONTACT INFORMATION AT THE LINKS BELOW:

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/

http://www.house.gov/

http://zip4.usps.com/zip4/welcome.jsp

How are you?

Posted by: Anonymous at June 29, 2005 12:36 AM

I did hear about the Newt book. Scary idea but he's a scary guy.

I'm doing good.

hoperin thatn teh midle dont turn owt like pinno's nose

I'm doing good.

Posted by: Mel at June 29, 2005 12:45 AM

thats good! did you get to see our beloved presiden'ts speech?

#

Last Major Sunni Party Withdraws from Iraq Election

Mon Dec 27th, 2004 at 07:33:25 PDT

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/27/103325/44

The largest Sunni Muslim political party in the country announced Monday that it was withdrawing from the ballot. The withdrawal of the Iraqi Islamic Party leaves the interim government and its U.S. backers unable to point to a single major, established Sunni entity on the Jan. 30 ballot.

"We are convinced that the election will not be general, honest and will not be held in all parts of Iraq," the party's chairman Mohsen Abdul Hamid told a news conference. "First, we have the security issues, which is getting worse and must be solved first. Second, the electoral commission's program and work is not clear to us. . . . "Third, Iraqis don't understand the elections yet."

I'm beginning to feel like the collapse of the WTCs and Pentagon portion weren't really so very bad, really.

Maron have mercy on my soul.

Posted by: Anonymous at June 29, 2005 12:37 AM

God forbid .. I agree. Relative to what could have happened .. 3000+ lost to maniacs is not as bad as it could have been .. or not doubt will be the next time we are attacked. But... as long as you have people out there like the hillbilly on the blog now who think Bush is great .. it's going to happen. "These colors don't run..." .. right, pard? That bullshit unenlightened unimaginative world view will ensure that the next time we are attacked, something more along the lines of 300,000 or 3,000,000 die.

It is absolutely tragic. We live in a country where the knowledge of eons is available to us at readily accessible free libraries, the Starbucks down the street with internet access, even your local Barnes and Noble where you can read all you want and seemingly never buy a damn thing. All we have to do is pay attention.. but we would rather watch the latest antics of Paris Hilton rather than study and not repeat history. Rome burned .. so, tragically, will we. We have grown too fat and stupid not to go by way of Nero and his lot.

So....supply YOUR definition of freedom and democracy, then you can move claiming that Iraq has freedom and democracy.

Posted by: wanda at June 29, 2005 12:44 AM

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Remember Wanda..

I don't don't let you set the parameters of the debate..

If you do not think Iraqis desire freedom and democracy, it is your job to show that..

The Purple Finger awaits your logic..

Posted by: lulu lyric at June 28, 2005 10:20 PM

I don't share nics but with one other blogger.

If you want this one you can have it.

It is absolutely tragic. We live in a country where the knowledge of eons is available to us at readily accessible free libraries, the Starbucks down the street with internet access, even your local Barnes and Noble where you can read all you want and seemingly never buy a damn thing. All we have to do is pay attention.. but we would rather watch the latest antics of Paris Hilton rather than study and not repeat history. Rome burned .. so, tragically, will we. We have grown too fat and stupid not to go by way of Nero and his lot.

Posted by: Salix at June 29, 2005 12:48 AM

Holy Crap!

that was cool :)

#

9. Any law or institution created under the aegis of occupation is devoid of both legal and moral authority. The recently concluded election, the Constituent Assembly, the current government, and the drafting committee for the Constitution are therefore all illegitimate.

WAPO -- sort of -- wakes up

op-ed editorial:

... Mr. Bush didn't explain how a war meant to remove a tyrant believed to wield weapons of mass destruction turned into a fight against Muslim militants, a transformation caused in part by his administration's many errors since Saddam Hussein's defeat more than two years ago.

The president also didn't speak candidly enough about the primary mission the United States now has in Iraq, which is not "hunting down the terrorists" but constructing a stable government in spite of Iraq's sectarian divisions and violent resistance from the former ruling elite.

It's harder to explain why Americans should die in such a complex and ambitious enterprise than in a fight with international terrorists, but that is the case Mr. Bush most needs to make.

...

Once again, however, the president missed an opportunity to fully level with Americans, even though some of the hard truths he elided have been spelled out by his aides and senior military commanders.

The insurgency, they have said, is not growing weaker; most likely, said Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, it will never be defeated by American troops, and it will continue for many more years ...

BTW: The U.S. never confronted the Soviet Union directly. It was a Cold War fought surrogately in aligned countries

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I spent 4 year confronting the Soviet Union..

Regan struck the final blow with "star wars" missile defense system..

You got to pay to play...!

I don't don't let you set the parameters of the debate..

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 12:49 AM

Then you just post random meaningless words. SInce I have no way of knowing what exactly you mean by all those fancy terms.

so supply 'YOUR" definition of democracy and freedom. Then go on saying Iraq has freeodm and democracy.

because obviously we both has fairly different understanding what freedom and democracy mean. Yours seems to be whatever chimpie the awol bastard decides whatever they mean.

Holy Crap!

that was cool :)

#

Posted by: Anonymous at June 29, 2005 12:50 AM

I have my moments.

thats good! did you get to see our beloved presiden'ts speech?

#

Posted by: Girly at June 29, 2005 12:48 AM

I can't watch that guy and hold my lunch down.

Generation Chickenhawk

by Max Blumenthal

...

In interviews, more than a dozen conventiongoers explained why it is important that they stay on campus while other, less fortunate people their age wage a bloody war in Iraq.

They strongly support the war, they told me, but they also want to enjoy college life and pursue interesting careers.

Being a College Republican allows them to do both.

It is warfare by other, much safer means ...

Munching on a chicken quesadilla at a table nearby was Edward Hauser, a senior at St. Edwards University in Austin, Texas--a liberal school in a liberal town in the ultimate red state of Texas. "Austin is ninety square miles insulated from reality," Hauser said.

When I broached the issue of Iraq, he replied, "I support our country. I support our troops."

So why isn't he there?

"I know that I'm going to be better staying here and working to convince people why we're there [in Iraq]," Hauser explained, pausing in thought. "I'm a fighter, but with words."....

By the time I encountered Cory Bray, a towering senior from the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School of Business, the beer was flowing freely.

"The people opposed to the war aren't putting their asses on the line," Bray boomed from beside the bar. Then why isn't he putting his ass on the line?

"I'm not putting my ass on the line because I had the opportunity to go to the number-one business school in the country," he declared, his voice rising in defensive anger, "and I wasn't going to pass that up."

[well, there you go; case closed]

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 12:52 AM

yeah whatever. You can't even say what you are defending. (freedom and democracy, supply definition)

Otherwise, you are just a prime example of cold war government waste. Nobody has any idea WHY your job need to exist at all, except for some dubious strangelovian thinking.

SPecial Data for wardog.

Iraqis military is getting stronger! Iraqi military is getting stronger!!! (you know, I seriously doubt you even realize how deep your lies are.)

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/images/status-trend-fps.gif

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/iraq-corps3.htm

ciao, truthseekers (obviously, this excludes war-dog [wot-a-fuckhead])

rest well

tomorrow's another day in doggie-land

"watch ur back"

:)

because obviously we both has fairly different understanding what freedom and democracy mean. Yours seems to be whatever chimpie the awol bastard decides whatever they mean.

Posted by: wanda at June 29, 2005 12:54 AM

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Is it so hard to support another persons efforts to establish a free deocratic country??

Your against Bush, so you must be against everything that flows from his actions?

Can you not see any up-side to anything Bush does?

tomorrow's another day in doggie-land

"watch ur back"

:)

Posted by: air-ono at June 29, 2005 01:00 AM

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And a Happy Doggie Day it will be!

Is it so hard to support another persons efforts to establish a free deocratic country??

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 01:00 AM

Quit blathering out of control.

Supply definition of Democracy and freedom, then go on making other claim.

You have been dancing around this simple requests for full one hour.

Power to the people, amen.

For Mel ...

Sleep my child and peace attend thee,
All through the night

Guardian angels God will send thee,
All through the night

Pay no attention to that bad man on the TV. Holtz will toss him and his lot from the porch into the light someday soon!!

You have been dancing around this simple requests for full one hour.

Posted by: wanda at June 29, 2005 01:02 AM

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I am not here to provide you with definitions of the obvious..

But I would like to know how far you would go to take you stand against Bush..

I don't think you even know!

I spent 4 year confronting the Soviet Union..

Re[a]gan struck the final blow with "star wars" missile defense system..

You got to pay to play...!

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 12:52 AM

____________

This is remarkable.

I'm going to bed.

This is simply too depressing for words.

Like a child, or like Sean Hannity (but then, I repeat myself), you believe Reagan toppled communism w/a non-operative fantasy weapons system.

And you worked in nukes.

How reassuring.

It is the perfect bed-time story for neocon children.

The good guys win. The bluff isn't called. The reasons aren't examined. The lie is believed.

Amazing.

Good night.

I really, really admire [Zappa]. He's at least trying to do something different with the form. It's incredible how he has his band as tight as a real orchestra. I'm very impressed by the kind of discipline he can bring to rock that nobody else can seem to bring to it.

-John Lennon

Go here, do this.

Click Me

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/occupation/2005/0315strength.htm

Strength of Iraqi Forces Questioned
A government report says the number of soldiers and police in the field has been inflated

Specifically, the GAO criticized the Pentagon's decision to include in its totals of trained and equipped Iraqi troops the "tens of thousands" of police officers who are absent without leave. The most recent Pentagon figures show that nearly 82,000 Iraqis have undergone U.S. police training. "If you are reporting AWOLs in your numbers, I think there's some inaccuracy in your reporting," Christoff said after the hearing.

The progress of the mission has become a politically charged issue, with Democrats in Congress charging that the administration is misrepresenting the number of trained Iraqis in the field. During confirmation hearings for Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, senators challenged her assertion that the Pentagon had trained more than 120,000 Iraqi policemen and soldiers.

Power to the people, amen.

Posted by: Jethro Zappa at June 29, 2005 01:02 AM

Hum ... I wonder ... Naw...

Is it so hard to support another persons efforts to establish a free deocratic country??

Your against Bush, so you must be against everything that flows from his actions?

Can you not see any up-side to anything Bush does?

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 01:00 AM

He started it right going after Bin Laden, then Rove in Jan 2002 said they where going to use wat to get Republicans elected. He has done nothing since he let Bin Laden escape that is a up-side for anything.

wat

correction

war

-John Lennon

Posted by: Anonymous at June 29, 2005 01:05 AM

It takes a genius to admire genius.

Amazing.

Good night.

Posted by: dr at June 29, 2005 01:05 AM

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Sleep well as Bush finishes building the missile shield the Regan dreamed about..

You are well protected!

I am not here to provide you with definitions of the obvious..

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 01:05 AM

If it is so obvious, type it out. It's that simple. So far, It seems all what you say are either does not correspond to reality or you simply make shit up.

and I for one think, you have no friggin idea what the fuck you are blathering about all this time.

For all I know you might as well talk about kebab and green cheese instead of freedom and democracy.

Can you not see any up-side to anything Bush does?

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 01:00 AM

Yes .. he makes the mentally challenged children realize they to can one day aspire to be President just like him.. and that thought brightens their day. I, for one, thank him for that.

You struggle to change facts into definitions..

You do this because you know just as I do what the outcome in Iraq will be..

You have known it since the Purple Finger..

The Iraqi people have spoken ...

You pretend not to listen..

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 12:39 AM

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The U.S. supported a political process during the Vietnam war too.

http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/database/article_display_printable.cfm?HHID=515

1955: Ngo Dinh Diem proclaims the Republic of South Vietnam and becomes its president.

April 1959: President Dwight D. Eisenhower commits the United States to maintaining South Vietnam's independence.

Nov. 1963: South Vietnamese generals kill President Ngo Dinh Diem in a plot condoned by key American officials who felt Saigon could not win under his leadership.

Nguyen Cao Ky: Air force officer helped lead South in post-Diem era.

Nguyen Van Thieu: Resigned South Vietnamese presidency shortly before war's end.

Apr. 29, 1975: Last U.S. military personnel killed, in rocket attack.

Apr. 30, 1975: North Vietnamese capture Saigon, ending the Vietnam War.

Isn't It A Pity George Harrison

Isn't it a pity

Now, isn't it a shame

How we break each other's hearts

And cause each other pain

How we take each other's love

Without thinking anymore

Forgetting to give back

Isn't it a pity

Some things take so long

But how do I explain

When not too many people

Can see we're all the same

And because of all their tears

Their eyes can't hope to see

The beauty that surrounds them

Isn't it a pity

Isn't it a pity

Isn't it a shame

How we break each other's hearts

And cause each other pain

How we take each other's love

Without thinking anymore

Forgetting to give back

Isn't it a pity

Forgetting to give back

Isn't it a pity

Forgetting to give back

Now, isn't it a pity

(6 times, fade the 6th:)

What a pity

What a pity, pity, pity

What a pity

What a pity, pity, pity

war

Posted by: Kevin at June 29, 2005 01:08 AM

Got your meaning just the same! ; )

For all I know you might as well talk about kebab and green cheese instead of freedom and democracy.

Posted by: wanda at June 29, 2005 01:09 AM

Mmmmmm, gorganzola kebab.

But I would like to know how far you would go to take you stand against Bush..

I don't think you even know!

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 01:05 AM

well you just have to find out then, don't you... So far I don't see you posting link to back up any of your claim. YOu can't even supply simple definition.

Instead you just dance around, bluster, making shit up, parsing, trying to change subject, and generally being a GOP boob.

What is democracy? ... what is freedom?

I haven't been here for months. Is Willow still around? (My MN neighbor)

The two main story lines that came out of Rummy’s appearances were:

1) “Defeating Insurgency Could Take As Long as 12 years, Rumsfeld Says”

2) “Rumsfeld Acknowledges U.S. Officials Met With Iraq Insurgents”

It does appear that Rummy was trying to communicate that he and the Administration are not oblivious to the public’s concerns with how things are going.

http://www.liberaloasis.com/archives/062605.htm#062705

What makes War Dog believe that Iraq wants democracy? Is that the real reason we invaded their country, and not because of WMD we didn't find? You talk about freedom, WD. What freedom? The freedom to do what? You talk in glittering generalities. You are nonsense and have no understanding of the Middle East and Muslim culture.

Sleep well as Bush finishes building the missile shield the Regan dreamed about..

You are well protected!

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 01:09 AM

Please .. I prefer Bill Maher's term .. "Space Diaphragm."

and I for one think, you have no friggin idea what the fuck you are blathering about all this time.

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Oh before the Purple Finger..

You all could carry-on about how the Iraqi saw us as invaders..

How all they wanted was to see us dead..

How the Iraqis supported the freedom fighters..

Then it happened..

The Iraqi election..

Oh you said , it will never happen..

Bush will only allow his candidates to run..

No one will vote..

An then it happened..

Your worst nightmare..

The Purple Finger..

You were wrong all along..

About everything..

So now you argue definitions..

Because that is all you can do..

Redefine the argument..

The history of the Iraqi election has been written..!

Freedom and Democracy are on the march in the mideast!

HI Salix

8-)

How's the gardening?

"watch ur back"

All things must pass George Harrison

Sunrise doesn't last all morning

A cloudburst doesn't last all day

Seems my love is up and has left you with no warning

It's not always going to be this grey

All things must pass

All things must pass away

Sunset doesn't last all evening

A mind can blow those clouds away

After all this, my love is up and must be leaving

It's not always going to be this grey

All things must pass

All things must pass away

All things must pass

None of life's strings can last

So, I must be on my way

And face another day

Now the darkness only stays the night-time

In the morning it will fade away

Daylight is good at arriving at the right time

It's not always going to be this grey

All things must pass

All things must pass away

All things must pass

All things must pass away

Pay no attention to that bad man on the TV. Holtz will toss him and his lot from the porch into the light someday soon!!

Posted by: Salix at June 29, 2005 01:03 AM

Holtz was bastard. Yeah I know we killed his wife and kids and destroyed his life but get over it already.

Freedom and Democracy are on the march in the mideast!

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 01:16 AM

a dickhead is marching in the mideast too.

Missed the first hour of a show called Empire, anyone back East see it and is it worth watching?

All things must pass away

Posted by: lulu lyric at June 29, 2005 01:16 AM

Life goes on within you and without you.

I saw Lulu on the Kumars-I'd still do her. She looks great!

I spent 4 year confronting the Soviet Union..

Re[a]gan struck the final blow with "star wars" missile defense system..

You got to pay to play...!

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 12:52 AM

Where did you - CONFRONT THE SOVIET UNION?

And as far as dealing the Soviet Union the final blow with "star wars" missile defense system.:

Tell that to Ben Laden and the victims of 9/11.

I know what you all would like to say..

They are not free because ____________!

But it don't fly..

They have more freedom and democracy than they have every known..

Because it is the start and not the final product you want do discount the whole process..

Well good try..

But no sale..

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/3314.htm

Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations, as set out in this Definition.

War Dog

Why is Bush's popularity declining?

Why can't he convince a majority that he is on the level with us in Iraq?

Why did Rumsfeld say the insurgency can last up to 12 years while you say the Iraq military is getting stronger by the day. 12 years is a long time for Americans to wait for an end to our occupation in Iraq.

Bush is floundering and you keep hyping everything.

I look at results and outcomes.

Bush is losing credibility.

Any of the following acts, regardless of a declaration of war, shall, subject to and in accordance with the provisions of article 2, qualify as an act of aggression:

(a) The invasion or attack by the armed forces of a State of the territory of another State, or any military occupation, however temporary, resulting from such invasion or attack, or any annexation by the use of force of the territory of another State or part thereof,

(b) Bombardment by the armed forces of a State against the territory of another State or the use of any weapons by a State against the territory of another State;

(c) The blockade of the ports or coasts of a State by the armed forces of another State;

(d) An attack by the armed forces of a State on the land, sea or air forces, or marine and air fleets of another State;

(e) The use of armed forces of one State which are within the territory of another State with the agreement of the receiving State, in contravention of the conditions provided for in the agreement or any extension of their presence in such territory beyond the termination of the agreement;

(f) The action of a State in allowing its temtory, which it has placed at the disposal of another State, to be used by that other State for perpetrating an act of aggression against a third State;

(g) The sending by or on behalf of a State of armed bands, groups, irregulars or mercenaries, which carry out acts of armed force against another State of such gravity as to amount to the acts listed above, or its substantial involvement therein.

You got to pay to play...!

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 12:52 AM

You don't pay you - you just come here to play.

Next time come with attributions and save your rhetoric for YOUR harddrive.

Where did you - CONFRONT THE SOVIET UNION?

And as far as dealing the Soviet Union the final blow with "star wars" missile defense system.:

Tell that to Ben Laden and the victims of 9/11.

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at June 29, 2005 01:21 AM

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Have you never clicked on my name??

And you are mixing your wars..

You should just savour Vietnam..

It will be you lasting monument to undermining the war effort..

You won't see such heady days again..

And you are mixing your wars..

You should just savour Vietnam..

It will be you lasting monument to undermining the war effort..

You won't see such heady days again..

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 01:25 AM

Dude! Are you that Klingon from Star Trek V? Cool.

I look at results and outcomes.

Bush is losing credibility.

Posted by: EB at June 29, 2005 01:23 AM

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You sound like a football fan in the first quarter..

We have 3 and 1/2 years left..

Do you think this in over..

Like it or not..

It has just begun...

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 01:25 AM

Dude! Are you that Klingon from Star Trek V? Cool.

Posted by: Jethro Zappa at June 29, 2005 01:27 AM

You know-the one that Christopher Plummer played...

I haven't been here for months. Is Willow still around? (My MN neighbor)

Posted by: Jethro Zappa at June 29, 2005 01:14 AM

Had a nic-change while you were gone....

How's the gardening?

Posted by: Kevin at June 29, 2005 01:16 AM

It's okay .. planted dallilies over the weekend then we got whacked by hot weather and storms so I haven't been back at it since then... but I think I will need to get to Home Depot tomorrow and by more mulch. So .. that means more garden time. I hope to be done soon so I can start working on the inside of the house to get it ready. I feel like part of my life is a perverse reality show for HGTV!!! : /

Holtz was bastard. Yeah I know we killed his wife and kids and destroyed his life but get over it already.

Posted by: Mel at June 29, 2005 01:17 AM

I know!! Some people just have NO sense of humor!!

Back in a moment .. need some pop...

Principle Vl
The crimes hereinafter set out are punishable as crimes under; international law:

1. Crimes against peace:
1. Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances;
2. Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i).
2. War crimes:
Violations of the laws or customs of war which include, but are not limited to, murder, ill-treatment or deportation to slave-labor or for any other purpose of civilian population of or in occupied territory, murder or illtreatment of prisoners of war, of persons on the seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns, or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity.
3. Crimes against humanity:
Murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian population, or persecutions on political, racial or religious grounds, when such acts are done or such persecutions are carried on in execution of or in connection with any crime against peace or any war crime.

http://deoxy.org/wc/wc-nurem.htm

eya JZ!

wil = salix

Posted by: Salix - aka Notorious W.I.L. at June 29, 2005 01:30 AM

Ha! I knew it!

As far as I can see, the liberals are winning the PR war about the Iraq invasion. Those nasty polls had the beloved president talking up the war to counter the liberal bias against it. He's having problems communicating again. Those liberals are doing a good job critisizing Bush and causing his decline in popularity. It won't be long until his popularity will be in the 30% range.

Oh wanda,

Let's hold a trial in you basement..

You can be the Judge and wear black robe..

We will try Bush for fixin the election..

And we will charge him with war crimes..

I know we can do this..

We must do it!

bbiab

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 01:34 AM

You still hasn't supply the definition of Democracy and Freedom. I suggest you try that first before getting snarky. I think I am in much better position to get ugly then you are right now.

It won't be long until his popularity will be in the 30% range.

Posted by: Exhausted Blogger at June 29, 2005 01:33 AM

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And if you are correct..

What will happen???

Hate, for want of a better word, is good.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,3604,909275,00.html

War would be illegal

Friday March 7, 2003
The Guardian

We are teachers of international law. On the basis of the information publicly available, there is no justification under international law for the use of military force against Iraq. The UN charter outlaws the use of force with only two exceptions: individual or collective self-defence in response to an armed attack and action authorised by the security council as a collective response to a threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression. There are currently no grounds for a claim to use such force in self-defence. The doctrine of pre-emptive self-defence against an attack that might arise at some hypothetical future time has no basis in international law. Neither security council resolution 1441 nor any prior resolution authorises the proposed use of force in the present circumstances.

I spent 4 year confronting the Soviet Union..

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 12:52 AM

Where did you - CONFRONT THE SOVIET UNION?

CLICK ON YOUR NAME!!!!!

Mixing wars -

Your the one having flashbacks of confronting the Soviet Union.

Star Wars

Purple Fingers

Yea, I clicked on your name and this is what came up:

"I am Elmer J. Fudd, millionaire. I own a mansion unt a yacht."

Hate, for want of a better word, is good.

Posted by: Mel at June 29, 2005 01:37 AM

Tell me about it.. just came back from my nightly spying mission with a certain cell phone. Hate is a great motivator.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0306-13.htm

US War Without UN Approval Would Be Seen as Illegal
by Alan Elsner

UNITED NATIONS - A U.S.-led war against Iraq launched without United Nations authorization would be seen by many nations and legal experts as a violation of international law.

That is one of several reasons the United States is working so hard to secure a new U.N. Security Council resolution authorizing a war. However President Bush has made it clear he would feel free to launch the war anyway if it proves impossible to win such a vote.

"Absent a new resolution, this war will be perceived by many states around the world as not just legally illegitimate but also lacking in political legitimacy," said Steven Ratner, who teaches international law at the University of Texas.

And if you are correct..

What will happen???

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 01:37 AM

God only knows. He won't be happy with the boos he hears. He may just hide with the rest of the republicans.

http://www.academon.com/lib/paper/54880.html

This paper points out that there are three underlying concepts that must be assessed in determining whether, under international law, the United States' invasion of Iraq in 2003 was legal or not. The first of these is the United Nations' principle that conflicts should not be resolved unilaterally, but rather with the consensus of that body. The second is the Geneva Conventions principle against targeting civilian populations and civilian infrastructure not justified by military objectives. The third is the necessity of an individual state to protect itself; that is, the United States.

Hate, for want of a better word, is good.

Posted by: Mel at June 29, 2005 01:37 AM

Tell me about it.. just came back from my nightly spying mission with a certain cell phone. Hate is a great motivator.

Posted by: Salix at June 29, 2005 01:40 AM

I was trying to imagine what Michael Douglas' character from Wall Street would say today besides Greed...

How's the bastard these days?

Also, the highly unpopular Bush will have to watch Iran develop nuclear weapons.

You still hasn't supply the definition of Democracy and Freedom. I suggest you try that first before getting snarky. I think I am in much better position to get ugly then you are right now.

Posted by: wanda at June 29, 2005 01:36 AM

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I would not think of using he ugly remark..

You know that you have been wrong about Iraq..

So now you would like to redefine Freedom..

You would like to redefine Democracy..

You would like to point out Iraq does not live up to your new definitions..

Sorry Wanda..

The Old definitions work fine for me and the Iraqis..

Better luck predicting the outcome of the next war..

You missed this one by a mile!!!

There is no popular insurgency as you predicted..

Only folks fightin and waitin to build their new country!

Jon Stewart's two favorite new albums: Foo Fighters and Coldplay. I knew I liked that guy.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3805/is_200401/ai_n9379618

Assessing the Legality of Invading Iraq
Georgetown Law Journal,

This Article demonstrates, however, that the legal theory actually deployed by the United States is not persuasive. The text of Resolution 678, and those resolutions that followed, along with the associated negotiating history and subsequent practice, individually and collectively demonstrate that the United States and its allies did not have Security Council authorization in March 2003 to invade Iraq. Moreover, regardless of whether one regards the U.S. legal theory as persuasive, the complexity of the theory (with its reliance on Security Council decisions taken years earlier to address different circumstances) and the clear resistance of a majority of Security Council members in March 2003 to the deployment of force against Iraq, combined to strip the invasion of Iraq of the collective legitimacy sought by the United States.

You come here - post with no references and nothing but bullshit.

One thing I have to credit you with:

You don't let people shit on your head - you open you mouth.

CONTACT YOUR REPRESENTATIVES ABOUT THE WAR IN IRAQ, THE DOWNING STREET MEMO & IMPEACHMENT!!!

CONTACT YOUR REPRESENTATIVES AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT YOU THINK!

YOU CAN FIND YOUR REPRESENTATIVES CONTACT INFORMATION AT THE LINKS BELOW:

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/

http://www.house.gov/

http://zip4.usps.com/zip4/welcome.jsp

God only knows. He won't be happy with the boos he hears. He may just hide with the rest of the republicans.

Posted by: Exhausted Blogger at June 29, 2005 01:40 AM
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Ya think??

I don't know..

What do you think will happen when we get hit again, as we most surely will?

What do you think folks will do then..??

How's the bastard these days?

Posted by: Mel at June 29, 2005 01:43 AM

Well.. paid for his new cell phone bill outta my checking account .. if that gives you any indication. Funny you should mention Michael .. his cell phone is with T-Mobile.

The U.S. representative echoed this assertion that "the resolution contains no 'hidden triggers' and no 'automaticity' with respect to the use of force,"215 At the same time, the U.S. representative asserted that "[i]f the Security Council fails to act decisively in the event of further Iraqi violations, this resolution does not constrain any Member State from acting to defend itself against the threat posed by Iraq or to enforce relevant United Nations resolutions and protect world peace and security."216 Thus, the United States itself accepted that the simple inclusion of the words "material breach" in Resolutions 1441 did not automatically authorize states to use force against Iraq; rather, something further was needed.217 The statement by the U.S. representative suggests that the "something further" was some type of "decisive" action by the Security Council, which was certainly consistent with what the other Security Council representatives envisaged. The difference for the United States appeared to be that if the Security Council did not take such action, the United States was not "constrained" by Resolution 1441, which suggests that the United States accepted that Resolution 1441 did not provide any greater or lesser authority than already existed under prior resolutions.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3805/is_200401/ai_n9379618/pg_11

Wanda + War Dog

There is no popular insurgency as you predicted..

Only folks fightin and waitin to build their new country!

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 01:44 AM

Tell that to the generals. They have a different take on "there is no popular insurgency".

Do ya really think the Republican House will charge Bush?

And then the Republican Senate will convict?

And if you do believe in fairy tales..

Are you ready for Our Beloved President Cheney?

What do you think will happen when we get hit again, as we most surely will?

What do you think folks will do then..??

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 01:47 AM

Blame the president.

Just saw a west coast alert for tonights Nightline. Said it is really good. Has Iraqi's giving their take on Iraq.

Funny you should mention Michael .. his cell phone is with T-Mobile.

Posted by: Salix at June 29, 2005 01:48 AM

I think that woman is evil. Something about her accent and marrying that old fuck and hawking cell phones. She's evil.

What do you think will happen when we get hit again, as we most surely will?

What do you think folks will do then..??

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 01:47 AM

Run to Airforce one with Bush -

And to the bunker with Cheney.

Tell that to the generals. They have a different take on "there is no popular insurgency".

Posted by: Exhausted Blogger at June 29, 2005 01:50 AM

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I disagree..

The Insurgency is only popluar with the insurgents..

I don't think the Iraqis support the insurgents blowing them to hell at every turn..

That would be sort of odd, don't you think?

My new monitor is fucking up on me. I'm so pissed.

Does anyone know what "nato neck" means for a guitar?

Blame the president.

Posted by: Exhausted Blogger at June 29, 2005 01:51 AM

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I said the folks..

Not the loonys..

The legal theory advanced in 2003 by the United States and its allies to justify the invasion of Iraq is not persuasive. Neither the language of the relevant resolutions nor the practice of the Security Council with respect to those resolutions supports the use of force against Iraq, especially in light of the extensive opposition of most of the members of the Security Council over the course of 2002-03. The willingness of the United States to proceed with the invasion in the face of such opposition certainly calls into question the utility of international norms on the use of force and the Security Council as a vehicle for collective security. Nevertheless, there are reasons to see this incident as a reaffirmation by the global community of the core norms underlying the Charter's use of force paradigm, and as reflecting a degree of "compliance pull" upon the United States and other major powers. In the discourse within the U.S. government, within the U.S. public, and between the United States and other states, adherence to international norms on the use of force and concern with the role of the security Council played a central part in defining whether a threat existed, whether an armed response to the threat was justified, and how to move forward once an armed response was undertaken. Even though, ultimately, such laws and institutions cannot prevent a major power from pursuing its fundamental national security interests, the invasion of Iraq demonstrates that, even for a major power, such laws and institutions cannot be ignored.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3805/is_200401/ai_n9379618/pg_20

The Insurgency is only popluar with the insurgents..

I don't think the Iraqis support the insurgents blowing them to hell at every turn..

That would be sort of odd, don't you think?

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 01:55 AM

Somebody in Iraq is giving em' cigarettes.

I'm going to go see War of the Worlds tomorrow inspite of what Tom Cruise has done to Oprah.

http://tcruiseko.ytmnd.com/

What do you think will happen when we get hit again, as we most surely will?

What do you think folks will do then..??

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 01:47 AM

Republicans are probably going to wish they outlawed the 50cal Sniper Rifle. To many pissed off people looking for revenge.

The Insurgency is only popluar with the insurgents..

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 01:55 AM

moving to tautology now? After you couldn't even mention basic definition?

You do notice that you have no credibility left right?

Hate, for want of a better word, is good.

Posted by: Mel at June 29, 2005 01:37 AM

ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE BEATLES

Love, love, love. Love, love, love. Love, love, love.

There's nothin' you can do that can't be done

Nothing you can sing that can't be sung

Nothing you can say, but you can learn how to play the game

Its easy!

All you need is love(altogher now). All you need is love(everybody).

All you need is love, love, love is all you need

There's nothin' you can know that isn't known

Nothing you can see that isn't shown

Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be

It's easy!

Chorus

The folks will blame the president if there is another terrorist attack. He will not be seen as making the US safer from terrorism. Sorry, WD, I have a grasp with the common folk. I'm one of them.

The folks will blame the president if there is another terrorist attack. He will not be seen as making the US safer from terrorism. Sorry, WD, I have a grasp with the common folk. I'm one of them.

Posted by: Exhausted Blogger at June 29, 2005 02:03 AM

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Then there are those of us who already blame the president for the first one. Sorry, but doing situps with Condi when the evidence is all right there is just inexcusable. Some people are ok with that. I'm not.

To anyone who thinks we are "safer", I've got a bridge you might be interested in buying.

You would like to point out Iraq does not live up to your new definitions..

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 01:44 AM

this is how you do definition. you start the sentence with 'Democracy is ...' and 'Freedom is ...'

you still has not shown your basic definition. You just dance around all nite posting side items. Try harder next time.

disagree..

The Insurgency is only popluar with the insurgents..

I don't think the Iraqis support the insurgents blowing them to hell at every turn..

That would be sort of odd, don't you think?

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 01:55 AM

Again, you don't understand the Middle East. They need a strongman like Sadam. It's the way it is in Iraq. Always has been. I can see democracy working with bombs forever, as it is now. We're in a futile situation, with the president making up stories about freedom and democracy on the march.

hola media matadors.....

Just saw a poll on the News "The Bush" dropped 5% points from before his speech down to 33% approve of his handling Iraq. And the percentage of people saying get out of Iraq went up to 70%.

You do notice that you have no credibility left right?

Posted by: wanda at June 29, 2005 01:59 AM

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left right?

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Remember I go by outcomes..

And I promise to stick around..

Fish asked me to stay after the election so he could laugh at me for tell him Bush would win..

So I will stick around for you too Wanda..

So you can laugh when Iraq falls to the insurgents..

And we must run for our lives to get out of Iraq..

I will be here for you..

Just to point out the outcomes in Iraq..

But for now it is bed time..

Tomorrow is my last day of this vacation..

Back to work..

I hope you got to watch the speech tonight..

President Bush was glorious..

Have fun..

Define Wado.......................!

In the current Vanity Fair, the gay marriage-bashing Rove swoons on about the first time he laid eyes on Dubya:

"I can literally remember what he was wearing: An Air National Guard flight jacket, cowboy boots, blue jeans ... he was exuding more charisma than any one individual should be allowed to have... you know, wow."

It’s been alleged by top executives at MZM that employees were forced — under penalty of being fired — to donate to [Republican Congressman Virgil] Goode, with Goode’s knowledge of this coercion, with the resulting torrent of money (over $100,000 to Goode) being enough to cause MZM president Mitchell Wade to brag that he “owns” Virgil Goode.

[…]

To recap: 35 MZM employees had never given any money to a federal candidate before. 37 MZM employees simultaneously contributed to Rep. Virgil Goode on two occasions, in March of 2003 and March of 2005. None of these MZM employees have given any money to any other candidate in the past two years, other than a few who gave money to MZM’s other darling, Katherine Harris. 10 of them also gave to MZM’s PAC.

And we’re to believe that MZM did not coerce their employees to support Virgil Goode? Between the claims of MZM employees that they were forced into and the empirical evidence, nobody can seriously claim that these employees contributed to Virgil Goode of their own free will.

The president has to continue trying to make the US public forget why we invaded Iraq.

Just saw a poll on the News "The Bush" dropped 5% points from before his speech down to 33% approve of his handling Iraq. And the percentage of people saying get out of Iraq went up to 70%.

Posted by: Kevin at June 29, 2005 02:10 AM

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Honestly, I think they've just started to poll human beings instead of Republibots. I don't know any thinking people that still approve.

Posted by: Kevin at June 29, 2005 02:10 AM

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DAAAAMMMMMNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

good night War Dog. And make sure the door doesn't hit your ass on the way out.

The President proved that all sand niggers are the same, so if one attacks you, killing another makes perfect sense.

The President makes me proud to be a sexual abuser of fat little arab boys.

I am a GODLY MAN, just like our President.

Kill sand niggers for Jesus and President Bush, and ass-rape their fat little boys.

WAHO...

SOMEBODY has been watching too much Fox News (again)

Remember I go by outcomes..

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 02:11 AM

Good. When Bush is convicted you can bring him Cigarettes.

What do you think will happen when we get hit again, as we most surely will?

What do you think folks will do then..??

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 01:47 AM

Call for his W's head because he forgot Osama bin Laden and the terrorists and went after the wrong target, wasting lives and money because he's the idiot son of an asshole?

Naturally, anyone who doesn't worship W "wants Iraq to fall to the insurgents". Bill O'Reilly said so!

Posted by: Anonymous at June 29, 2005 02:11 AM

Rove probably confused Bush with one of the Village People!

"he was exuding more charisma than any one individual should be allowed to have... you know, wow. and then he opened his mouth, and I knew I had a job for life!"

JIM! Do you know what a "nato neck" is?

I don't know any thinking people that still approve.

Posted by: Meg at June 29, 2005 02:14 AM

There are still Free Republic's and War dog. To use Rumsfeld's lingo, they are dead-ender's.

What do you think will happen when we get hit again, as we most surely will?

What do you think folks will do then..??

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 01:47 AM

Call for his W's head because he forgot Osama bin Laden and the terrorists and went after the wrong target, wasting lives and money because he's the idiot son of an asshole?

Posted by: Anonymous at June 29, 2005 02:18 AM

That about sums it up.

warpiggie warpiggie - your exposed - HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

warpiggie warpiggie - your exposed - HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

warpiggie warpiggie - your exposed - HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Just saw a poll on the News "The Bush" dropped 5% points from before his speech down to 33% approve of his handling Iraq. And the percentage of people saying get out of Iraq went up to 70%.

Posted by: Kevin at June 29, 2005 02:10 AM

And from CNN.com's Quick Poll .... what word describes President Bush's speech best ...

With 22,472 votes so far ....

Reassuring ...... 3210 (14%)

Uplifting ....... 1455 (6%)

Worrying ......... 17,807 (79%)

There are still Free Republic's and War dog. To use Rumsfeld's lingo, they are dead-ender's.

Posted by: Kevin at June 29, 2005 02:20 AM

Very aprobo.

Freepers... War Dog...

I said thinking people!

Heh

Isn't it funny how War Dog shows up to defend W every time he does something particularly stupid?

....then he opened his mouth, and I knew I had a job for life.....

Anyone else go to a scary place with that line??

Jesus would not have forgiven William Jefferson Clinton. He would have stabbed that spawn of Satan with a holy dagger, 40 times in his black heart. Now terrorists attack us, because the wrath of the Lord is upon us. Only when we have purged both The Clintons and the Arab Menace from our shores will we escape divine wrath and once again become the seat of his mercy. Amen.

Hiya Jim

Man, that Wardogger character is sure dumb as a sack of lug nuts! Won't he be in for a big disappointment when his motorhome ends up as a low cost housing unit for the downtrodden.

nato necks are one of several varieties.

there is steel reinforced, mnato and maple,

there is also a nato back guitar.

OK, now it's time for some Hilarious SASSS !!!!!!!!!!!!

Even as the price of gas continues to rise, the price of high quality Sass is magically becoming even more affordable in this day and age. So, I say forget gas stations, try Sass Stations! I shall try and harness the power of Sass, and then proclaim, "Fill 'er up with some Sass, uAss" * Joy not necessarily included (but may only run 10 cents extra per gallon :-) . I could be a Sass Station manager! Some dudes could haul Sass in on trucks, but they would have to drive carefully (no tellin' what effect a Sass spill would have on some mutha fuckas out there). If a tankership loaded with Sass, called the S.S. Sassiees, wrecked off the coast of Alaska, the penguins would Not get covered in black sludge at all, but they might begin to get into some funky black Soul grooves and perhaps start dancing and doin' splits like James Brown!

Posted by: Reverend Thule at June 29, 2005 02:25 AM

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the scariest part is this is EXACTLY where these gwb supporters are coming from!!!!!!!

The Ultimate Chicken (Cock) Fighting Championship:
General Zso versus Colonel Sanders !!!
Who would win? General Zso does have a higher rank than Colonel Sanders, though he's in the Red Chineese Army, and Colonel Sanders is in the Southern Fried Army (white sheets included or not?).
Would there be a clear victory? Or, would Popeye eat some spinach, jump in the ring, and kick all their asses? Coming soon to a skanky rasslin' rink near you, SATURDAY! SATURDAY! SATURDAY!!!

Posted by: Reverend Thule at June 29, 2005 02:25 AM

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That's not funny.

Isn't it funny how War Dog shows up to defend W every time he does something particularly stupid?

Posted by: Meg at June 29, 2005 02:24 AM

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

i seriously wouldn't doubt it, if he was one of roves butty assistants......

.....ya know... using mrr blog for reactionary testing.......

Al Franken on Sundance!!!

The ReButtlickens just tongue raunchy asses, but they really do nothing to help resolve the real problems facing people.

Do you ever have trouble taking a dump, and then you grunt and you grunt? Well, if so, here are some blueprints and possible designs for three new devices that may help asses in the future cope with these shitty issues.

* The Butt Pump (or, "The Ass Vacuum") - A vacuum-styled suction device that would basically suck the shit right out of yo' AZZ, Haha!! And then, it would suck the shieet right up through a hose and then deposit it into the toilet for ya. Haha!!

* Shit Sticks - Basically, chopsticks for yo AZZ! Haha!! For them hard to reach hunks o' shieeeeet that remain close to your bunghole but won't quite "break on through to the other side". And Mr. Miyagi thought his azz was creative using chopsticks to catch flies! ( http://www.fast-rewind.com/kkid/miyagi.jpg ) Oh, Daniel son, Haha!!!!

* The Ass Wash - a miniature hose with a toilet bowl underneath it, which allows you to stick the hose nozzle up yo azz and deep blast some nice warm water up yo AZZ and clean that shit on out. This invention is probably the best idea yet along these lines, an enema-bath-bidet, a real colon and intestinal cleaner for the asses of the masses! Ohhhh, Sri Poopy-Poopy would be proud!

Nato is a really soft inferior mahogany substitute.

http://www.guitarimports.com/comparison-esteban.htm

"I heard nothing new," said Pat Morris of St. Paul. "He seems to keep forgetting that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11."

Food for thought from the Heartland ....

Bush is making me very, very angry!

The guitar guy told me that my guitar might be too expensive to fix because the neck was starting to detatch as well. He also told me it was a classical guitar, which may be why I was having trouble getting my fingers around the neck.

Next time WD shows up, I want to ask him about the growing China economy. Is that Communism on the march?

Rerun!!!!

Posted by: Mel at June 29, 2005 02:33 AM

all weeks

I also have been working on making a website for Jim Glover, who is a cool guy and a good folk musician originally from Ohio who was friends with Phil Ochs back in the early 1960s. Jim and his former wife, Jean, released some albums back in the 1960s as Jim & Jean. Regarding the recent folk music comedy movie, "A Mighty Wind", Eugene Levy basically said in an interview that the characters Mitch & Mickey in the movie were somewhat based on the true story of Jim & Jean. Jim's music is really good, yet kinda rare, and until very recently, somewhat difficult to find. So, I've been trying to do something about that. Collectors' Choice Music finally did release two classic Jim & Jean albums on one CD (and hopefully Jim & Jean's first self-titled album will eventually be available on CD too, because I really like that record).

Here's the Link to the new Jim Glover website:

http://jimglover.aesound.com/

Rerun!!!!

Posted by: Mel at June 29, 2005 02:33 AM

-currently listen to tuesday's morning sedition...

good interview at about 30 minutes into it, with the reporter they sometimes interview in baghdad....

http://www.airamericaplace.com/upload/aams062805.mp3

Bush is making me very, very angry!

Posted by: Salix at June 29, 2005 02:32 AM

HAHAHA

That Martian sounds like Allen Keyes

Meg of Sin says "That's not funny". Even a sucubus she-demon from the Black Pit of Azidoth can pepper her lies with the ocasional truth, and so it is now. Meg of Sin is correct, there is nothing remotely humorous about eternal damnation. Pray for your immortal soul, and for the spiritual triumph of a G-Dly nation. Amen.

What will War Dog's excuse be when China buys unical?

Message to Mr. Bush - End your scandalous War for oil in Iraq and bring our boys and girls home ASAP, and then do what is best for our country, RESIGN, and get your greasy ass back to Texas!

That Martian sounds like Allen Keyes

Posted by: Kevin at June 29, 2005 02:36 AM

My God! I have never thought about it before .. but you are right!!!

the good thing about west coast living is the local chanel goes straight from morning sedition to franken.

Well, FART ! FART ! FART !!!

The butt trumpets are once again sounding and resounding with harmony, which means this message is nearing the end. And, as it says in the Bible, "Wherefore my bowels shall sound like an harp for Moab, and mine inward parts for Kirharesh" (Isaiah 16:11). So, ya see, Farts in the Wind are, in fact, Biblical!

Peace, PEACHES, and Bowel Harp Grease,

Sri Lee P

What will War Dog's excuse be when China buys unical?

Posted by: Meg at June 29, 2005 02:37 AM

He's so high on oxicotyn I doubt he'll even notice

I always said Alan Keys sounded like a drunk muppet.

Marvin the martian says

http://www.gargaro.com/MaRvInWaVs/angry.wav

(the marvin the martian sound page)

http://www.gargaro.com/marvinsounds.html

they are doing that show snippet from orielly's book.

what a hack. I still can't get over how lame his choices of adjectives are...

huge s=hower. lome gtrrn gurtans. water felt great on her back...

sheesh!

It's geometric

"huge shower" "lime green curtains"

Nightline has already talked about the DSM, and Iraqi's saying it was better with the tyrant Saddam in place. Sounds like Iraqi's think Clean water, electricity, and not being blown up trump Purple Fingers.

Chubby and Jim, but would a nato neck be okay for a beginner/learning guitar that costs $60?

http://www.gargaro.com/MaRvInWaVs/angry.wav

Funny Sunny J!!!! Love it!

How dare you question the motives of the Glorious Peoples Republic of China, you flabby inferior decadent beast of the west? They are the inspiration and divine spiritual source of our President's communication with Jesus! Do not interfer in matters beyond your comprehension, with your silly joined up little writing and your delusions of worth. You are nothing, the state is all, all hail Chairman Bush! All is in balance between heaven and earht; the superior man rules with an iron fist, and the wise peasant is obedient.

geometric guitar?

It's funny. People like War Dog have fits if they have to go 24 hours without electricity. The water situation in Iraq is simply inexcusable.

It's geometric

Posted by: Meg at June 29, 2005 02:43 AM

"Ah, but the strawberries! That's where I had them. They laughed and made jokes, but I provided beyond the shadow of a doubt, and with geometric logic, that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox did exist. And I'd have produced that key if they hadn't pulled the Caine out of action. I know now they were out to protect some fellow officer."

it's geometric= what Keyes told Randi one day in a phone interview. She uses the clip a lot.

geometric guitar?

Posted by: Chubby_Bubba, Rajah of Bhong at June 29, 2005 02:45 AM

No ... Logic!

Rusty just came in. no big fat moths in his mouth like yesterday.

that's fine, he lets them go and they fly aroung until I put them out again.

it's geometric= what Keyes told Randi one day in a phone interview. She uses the clip a lot.

Posted by: Meg at June 29, 2005 02:48 AM

SEE!!! Geometric Logic!!

WILL WRESTLE MONKEYS FOR FOOD

http://www.gargaro.com/MaRvInWaVs/delays.wav

geometic moths eating geometric strawberries

goodnite.....

buenos suenos.....

I need to see that movie!!!! I love Bogart. But I've never seen it.

Now ....Where did I put my balls?

randi plays a geometric Rhodes?

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I knew a guy that had one of them geometric domes.

Now ....Where did I put my balls?

Posted by: Captain Queeg at June 29, 2005 02:52 AM

If you find them. See if mine are there.

I need to see that movie!!!! I love Bogart. But I've never seen it.

Posted by: Mel at June 29, 2005 02:52 AM

It was just on TCM over the weekend, Mel. Great, great, great flick! And .. for anyone else out there who has seen it ... the reason we never saw the young guy who played Willy in anything again is he was killed in a plane crash shortly after the movie was released... and of course Bogie died soon after as well. Very sad.

I have to go to bed.

or was it a geometric gnomes?

What movie?

sure no biggie on the neck.

Fishgrease the current guitar connoisseur

get him to find you a good cheapie if you can

I knew a guy that had one of them geometric domes.

Posted by: Chubby_Bubba, Rajah of Bhong at June 29, 2005 02:54 AM

Is that a dome on your lot .. or are you just happy to see me??

~~~ [Bush] argued for maintaining his present three-pronged strategy: hunting down insurgents, equipping Iraqi security forces to take over the anti-insurgency fight and helping Iraqi political leaders in the transition to a permanent democratic government. ~~~

Link

ME: But we're not equipping Iraqi security forces. We don't get many images of the Iraqi security forces. They don't like having their pictures taken -- wonder why. But in those we do get, we see Iraqi soldiers riding unprotected in the back of 2.5 ton trucks. We see them in foreign versions of jeeps... not Humvees and certainly not up-armored Humvees. What are they armed with?

Do they have American tanks, artillary, aircraft... even the standard (and the best in the World, I don't care what its detractors say) M-16? No. They have AKs... copies of AKs and Finnish, Italian and Iranian.... YES... Iranian weaponry. So we are NOT equipping Iraqi security forces for anything but getting slaughtered. We can't even equip our own troops for this new style of warfare... but it is very obvious we're not even trying to equip the Iraqis.

Training? They don't need trained. They're already better at the type of urban warfare we're fighting than we are. Strike... blow shit up... haul ass.... move... strike... blow shit up... haul ass. But there's a catch. Iraqi security officials themselves admit their ranks are infiltrated to an "unknown but signifigant" degree. One thing we don't hear about... they don't want us to hear about... is how many arms shipments are diverted directly to the insurgents.

So in that sense... we ARE equipping the Iraqis. The fucking WRONG Iraqis.

Yes, more than 2000 members of the Iraqi security forces have been killed.... most slaughtered like cattle and a good number of them before they were even inducted... standing in line.

We are not losing in Iraq. We have lost. What Bush can't give up is the largest embassy in the world.

Out of Iraq.

Now.

Next time WD shows up, I want to ask him about the growing China economy. Is that Communism on the march?

Posted by: Exhausted Blogger at June 29, 2005 02:33 AM

Whats the point?

He's just looking to get a rise out of people.

I always ignore him.

"What other outcome is possible?"

Posted by: War Dog at June 28, 2005 10:15 PM

That's why I asked for historic examples of sucessful occupations.

He never gave one.

Instead he became - dogmatic...

Caine Mutiny.

The Caine Mutiny .. Great movie, Meg!! Humphrey Bogart, Van Johnson, Jose Ferrer and Fred MacMurray. Just a great great film. Did a paper on it for a film history class in College.

What will War Dog's excuse be when China buys unical?

Posted by: Meg at June 29, 2005 02:37 AM

The Caine Mutiny

do'h!!!

MEL!!! I found it online for you at TCM!!! $15.99 on DVD on sale!

Goddamn! I need to get me a DVD!

"This is exactly why we hate Microsoft. Microsoft recently blocked right clicking in FF for MSN.com. When right clicking on a link, It will take you to the link instead of displaying the options to open it in a new tab, etc..Did you know they recently tried to even block Opera from doing that?"

Ooooo!! How about "12 Angry Men" .. John Fiedler (recently passed voice of Piglet) was in that with Henry Fonda, Jack Klugman, Lee J. Cobb, Ed Begley, Sr. .. another great movie!

I'm lucky. they have a great selection of classic movies on DVD at my local library, no charge for rental. They only charge for hot new releases.

Posted by: Wil at June 29, 2005 02:59 AM

Please don't start talking about film NOW! Not at 02:59 AM.

Later.

another great movie!

Posted by: Wil at June 29, 2005 03:08 AM

Another one that I never saw. I need to go back to the classics.

Okay .. time for this little film buff to hit the sheets.. Til I see you all again!!

Beep!! Beep!!

the treasure of sierra madre is another good ne.

great suggestion about public libraries!

I am always amazed what I find there!

an why buy something you are only going to watch a couple times?

Here's a site that offers classic public domain films... to download. some cool stuff.

http://www.archive.org/details/feature_films

Can anyone see Rumsfeld doing a great Capt. Queeg?

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A German diplomat recently made a very telling observation regarding spreading democracy worldwide. The greatest democratization in history took place in the past 20 years... in Central and Eastern Europe... WITHOUT A SHOT BEING FIRED! So, this German diplomat said... "don't preach to us about how to spread democracy".

Republicans will be quick to point out that this democratic revolution was entirely due to Ronald Reagan. Not true... but okay. Give them that one and then ask, "how did Reagan do it?"

Did Reagan invade and occupy Poland, East Germany, Chechoslovokia, Bulgaria? Did Reagan invade and occupy ANY Central or East European nation? No.

Neither would Reagan have invaded nor occupied Iraq.

And yes... I do understand we're fighting a different type of war... badly.

Can anyone see Rumsfeld doing a great Capt. Queeg?

Posted by: Exhausted Blogger at June 29, 2005 03:14 AM

I see every man Jack of them simultainiously doing Quueegs.

the gringing of ball bearings and muttering of "Strawberries! Strawberries!!!"

good points, Grease.

How's your music coming along? Have you reached any new plateaus?

Goodnight Wil?

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http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/christian/blfaq_hist_earlyus.htm

As leaders and pundits of the religious right are fond of pointing out, there was a time in America's history when religion did play a greater role in the lives of American citizens. Unfortunately, it wasn't quite the role which is commonly assumed. At the time of the American Revolution, only about 14% of the population was "churched," which is to say that only that amount went to church on a regular basis. For private citizens, then, religion did not play as strong a role as modern religious leaders would have us believe.

However, it is nevertheless true that many more of the laws at the time reflected a distinctly Christian bias. America was not very diverse in any sense, especially religiously. Although some colonial governments forbade compulsory religion, the day-to-day legal reality was different. The federal constitution later also mandated a certain amount of government neutrality towards religion, but that was rarely followed in practice. So we have before us a rather good opportunity to examine what it was like when Christian morals and Christian assumptions dominated the legal landscape, even though regular adherence to organized Christianity was not as strong as it is today. What was it like? Is it something that America - or indeed any modern nation - should aspire to?

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As previously stated, the legal context of the American colonies was dominated by specifically religious assumptions. It is important to understand that colonial life was predominantly village life - people lived in insular rural settings where a few powerful ideas about God, social order and punishment held sway. Concepts of hierarchy and subordination also played strong roles, and they will become recurring themes here.

We must also keep in mind that although English common law played a role in colonial criminal justice, the worldview and ideology of colonial leaders influenced ideas of justice in profound ways. Laws and legal customs tended to mirror what leaders and magistrates thought about the nature of what was good, true and right. And for a long time, those elites were largely religious leaders - obvious examples being the Puritans in Massachusetts and the Quakers in Pennsylvania. Distinct legal cultures were thus created in the colonies - although most strikingly in the Puritan north.

~~~ How's your music coming along? Have you reached any new plateaus? ~~~

Nope. Shamefully, I had to set it all aside. I'm working onna project for work (WORK work) most all day every day. It'll be that way until August.

Not even fishing!

In fact... I gotta get back to work. Later, all.

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The common people may have been mostly unchurched, but the leaders were explicitly religious in their orientation. Although many people came to the colonies in search of economic opportunities, many others - including those who would go on to lead some of the colonies - were looking for new ways to serve God, create a godly paradise, and build a new society which would be based on what they considered the word of God.

It isn't a coincidence that modern religious leaders and politicians who pander to the religious right explicitly claim that they are after the same thing. The early colonial leaders looking to build godly societies quite simply failed - forces beyond their control, like technology and the brute physical facts of the continent - eventually undid them. But despite this modern fundamentalists and evangelicals are inheritors of the same religious traditions, so they are aiming for similar goals. They aren't aware that history passed their ideology by about 200 years ago.

Please don't start talking about film NOW! Not at 02:59 AM.

Later.

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at June 29, 2005 03:10 AM

Sorry!!! : /

Sweet Dreams to all when you yourselves head to the Land of Nod!!

Harlig se dream kelgris gullgosse.

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Religion and Crime

Legal codes in the colonies - and especially in the Puritan north - served as enforcement arms of religious orthodoxy. For this reason, the codes themselves cannot be understood without also understanding the basic religious doctrines underlying them. It cannot be ignored even for a minute that the colonial system of justice - designed largely to achieve a more godly society - was almost entirely paternalistic in nature. In a paternal society, the community is modeled after the ideal of a patriarchal household. Community leaders acted as stern fathers to the children God had entrusted to their care. Members of the community were supposed to be taught God's paths for their lives and brought back into the fold when they strayed - but the rod was not spared. Courts, like fathers, existed to enforce discipline and obedience. This image of family and government are not too far off from what modern evangelical leaders like to preach.

And while magistrates and religious leaders made the laws, the burden of those laws fell almost entirely on the shoulders of the lower classes: slaves, servants and children. Colonial society might have been less stratified and hierarchical than English society, but it still had a long way to go. Opportunities for advancement existed, but only among white men.

I'm off to bed too.

Goodnight Wil?

Posted by: Mel at June 29, 2005 03:19 AM

Good night Mel!! Sweet Dreams!!

Night CB!! And Night Fishie .. try not to work yourself too much! Breaks are good .. and vital for the mind!!

Sweet Dreams!!!

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Even just being a bad citizen was itself a crime. A refusal to conform to the standards of the community meant refusing to conform to the standards of virtue handed down by God. Little or no distinction was made between a "sin" and a "crime." Piety and religion dominated the lives of religious leaders, and they in turn dominated the lives of other colonists. Since religion was the cornerstone of the community, especially in some areas, it became the duty of the law to uphold, encourage and certainly enforce what was regarded as the One True Faith.

Government was regarded as the "instrument of God on Earth" - and the basic criminal code was not regarded as having been made by men for men, but made by God for men. It should be remembered then that when someone today claims that their religion is necessary for the establishment of a moral and peaceful community, they are also calling for their religion to be enforced by the government in the interest of maintaining and stabilizing such a community.

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Religious Enforcement

Religious messages of the above sort can be found on almost every page of the "Laws and Liberties of Massachusetts" written in 1648. Anabaptists, for example, are condemned as "Incendiaries of Common-wealths & the Infectors of persons." If these misguided miscreants remained "obstinate" in their heretical beliefs, they were likely to be banished from the colony. Banishment was a common punishment - when a person's beliefs or acts threaten to undermine the social order and they refuse to repent, then expelling them from the group was the only option. The most common reason for banishment was some form of heresy, described as "tending to the subversion of the Christian Faith and the destruction of the soules of men."

Laws against Quakers were even worse than those against Anabaptists - they could be executed if they dared to return after having been banished. Quakers appear to have been especially feared as threatening to "undermine & ruine" the properly instituted authorities of the colony. Two Quakers were made examples of and hanged in 1659, but they weren't the only ones.

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Blasphemy was another crime which merited swift and harsh punishment - as with the previous examples, any act which might undermine unquestioning faith as promoted by the local religious leaders was regarded as threatening to undermine general social stability. Blasphemers could, at court discretion, be put in the pillory, whipped, have his tongue bored out with a hot iron, or be forced to stand in the gallows with a rope around his neck.

Massachusetts was certainly not the only colony to expressly prohibit such things. A Virginia statute from 1699 was designed to eliminate "horrid and Atheisticall principles greatly tending to the dishonour of Almighty God, and...destructive to the peace and wellfaire of this...collony." A crime was committed whenever someone dared to deny "the being of God or the holy Trinity...assert or maintaine there are more Gods then one...deny the truth of Christianity..." and much more.

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The Sabbath was naturally taken very seriously by colonial religious leaders. Sundays were reserved for praying and church attendance, even though church attendance was generally very low across the colony. Obviously this could only be enforced effectively either in a village community where it was obvious that people were not in church or in a tightly knit religious area. Most rural farmers would be more likely to treat Sunday like any other day, and no one would know otherwise.

Massachusetts, of course, was one place that enforcing Sabbath laws happened frequently. In Salem in 1668, John Smith and the wife of John Kitchin were fined "for frequent absenting themselves from the public worship of God on the Lord's day." There's no indication if they were absenting church services together and, if so, what they may have found to do that was more interesting. Profaning the sabbath was also a definite no-no. In Boston in 1656, Captain Kemble was forced to sit in the stocks for two hours due to "lewd and unseemly behavior" on the sabbath. His transgression consisted of having kissed his wife upon his return home after three years at sea.

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Victimless Crimes

Since crimes were sins and sins were crimes, the very concept of a "victimless crime" simply didn't exist back then. This is a concept which has been created in the 20th century as we have developed the idea of personal privacy. Any offense against the True God, even if it did not appear to affect anyone else, was automatically an offense against the community and against the principle of social order. Such threats had to be dealt with swiftly and harshly - God's punishment of Sodom and Gomorrah was ever-present in the minds of religious leaders who feared what might happen if they, too, did not work to enforce God's moral laws. For the Puritans, guilt was corporate in nature and so the whole group would suffer if even one member transgressed. Only by a very public punishment could the group both express communal disapproval for the acts and hope to escape punishment themselves.

That imagery hasn't faded in the past two centuries and is used even today by religious leaders who fear that their God will punish an entire nation when it tolerates individuals violating religious rules.

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Legal codes, especially among Puritans, even made criminal offenses out of lying and idleness - not to mention the ever popular fornication, adultery and sodomy. One interesting idea to keep in mind when looking at all these laws is the fact that such regulations were obviously needed. If the colonists - and Puritans in particular - were completely sexually repressed and obedient robots, there would have been little to no need for the statutes which I quote. The fact that the religious leaders felt a need to explicitly condemn such acts means that at least some people were happily engaged in all manner of unseemly activities.

The people were obviously quite active sexually, although the court systems were just as obviously engaged in attempting to punish and suppress that sexuality. A study by William Nelson of seven Massachusetts counties between 1760 and 1774 found that almost 38% of all criminal cases involved fornication - and that wasn't even the only sexual offense prosecuted. Although most people probably did not transgress or at least not transgress too seriously, there was obviously a lot more going on than current evangelical leaders would have people believe. Even Puritan New England was perhaps more fun that is commonly imagined.

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Courts and Justice

During this era of building a godly society, the court and justice system was radically different from what Americans experience today. Although leaders of the religious right have not explicitly praised the colonial systems, we must keep in mind that the social order which they are praising was based upon a very specific system of courts. Calling for the former also means calling for the latter - so it's worth looking at just what sort of court system a more Christian society might have. The best example, and one which is often used to day of a good Christian society, is probably the Puritans.

Justice in the Puritan colony was very inquisitorial in nature. Judges who presided over cases were not independent arbiters, but were instead political and religious leaders who had a personal stake in what went on. Although they were expected to be fair - and surely they could be - it must be kept in mind that in their roles as political and religious leaders, one of their primary duties was to maintain order and discipline. The law they passed naturally reflected these values, and so their court decisions would closely follow suit.

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Hi Mel.

If I'm annoying you, I'll stop.

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These judges firmly believed that they had a right, granted by God, to rule over their community and lead it down the path God had chosen for them. In the courtroom as well as outside in community life, they ran the show. It was rare to have a jury - and it never happened in New Haven, not even in death penalty cases. The purpose of a court proceeding was not so much to establish guilt or innocence - if it got to the point of a trial, it was only because the judge (who was also prosecutor) was convinced of guilt. In almost criminal trials on record, guilty was the final verdict.

Social Theater

The purpose of the court proceeding was to squeeze a confession out of the defendant and, hopefully, also repentance for sins. After all, in a godly society transgression of any law was automatically a sin. This, of course, was a task for religious elites and those responsible for the well-being of a godly society. Saints were given the task of presiding over the case of a sinner, not a lay jury. In fact, the mere request for a jury was itself a clear sign that the defendant was not ready to repent and would serve to make things worse.

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These facts might lead to the conclusion that the trials were charades - and although that was probably true in some instances, it wasn't true in all. Trials were ceremonies of great social importance. Because the nature of the offense was not merely a legal transgression but instead of sin against God and the godly order established in His Name, a guilty verdict was not simply a cause for punishment. Instead, repentance and social reintegration of the sinner were primary goals of any trial. It was a sort of divinely sanctioned social theater where the rules of the community were public reaffirmed and the sinner brought back into the flock.

This could often serve the interests of the accused. When a judge is specifically looking for the accused to be submit to authority and repent of sins, then the accused can expect the judge to be patient and lenient. Another way of putting it is that the defendant knew that if he played his role correctly, then he could expect the judge to play his role correctly - and the judge's role was not to physically punish, but to extract a submission to authority.

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Of course, physical reintegration was not always possible - the most obvious example being when the defendant was sentenced to death. In such cases, it was expected that the condemned would reinforce social mores not by returning to a godly way of life, but by playing the role of a deeply penitent sinner. It was especially good if they would offer some final confession or prayer reaffirming their faith in God and the community before they were killed.

Correction & Repentance

In this framework, what was being punished is only half the story - how crimes were punished was equally important. When reaffirming social order lies at the heart of criminal justice, punishment necessarily becomes a public affair. Punishment does not exist simply for the convicted offender, but instead also for the public as a whole. Like autocratic fathers, leaders made heavy use of shame and shaming to get across their message both to the criminal and to the others in the community. Both the criminal and the rest of the public were to be taught a lesson about what God wanted and what would happen if they dared to stray from God's path.

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It should be noted that the idea of imprisonment is missing from colonial concepts of punishment. Incarceration and the penitentiary are wholly 19th century inventions and it had not occurred to colonial leaders that reforming and punishing a criminal might be achieved by segregating them away from the rest of the populace. On the contrary, the idea would likely have been met with derision, since it failed to incorporate the rest of the community. Private punishment only serves to affect the criminal, whereas very public punishment also serves social needs.

It is certainly no coincidence that many current evangelical leaders also call for a return to the use of shame when punishing people. Since they too wish to create a godly society based upon specific religious precepts, and so it only makes sense that they would wish to use the tactics of their ideological forefathers. But what was it like, and what sort of effect did it have?

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The pillory, stocks and whipping were the most common sorts of public shaming and lessons taught to the public. In 1664, a runaway servant was brought to court in Maryland and alleged that he had been abused and not fed properly, but since the lower classes were not well regarded at the time he was whipped 27 times for having lied. Branding and letter wearing were also used with some frequency. In Connecticut in 1773, Alexander Graham was convicted of breaking into shops to steal food and was ordered branded with a capital B on his forehead. Bodily mutilation was also used regularly, with people's ears cut off for stealing or even just lying in court. In a such fashions anyone who did anything which the community did not like could be treated in a humiliating and inhumane fashion.

It wasn't justice, because that was not what people were seeking. It was supposed to be a lesson - but since it clearly did not prevent the same sorts of general petty crimes we have today, it obviously did not entirely serve that purpose. But even if it had, it was not something to be emulated today. These acts brand a person - sometimes literally - as an unrepentant sinner, not the sort of tactic we should be taking today.

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Dealing in Death

Perhaps one of the more ironic issues involves the death penalty. The same political and evangelical leaders who call for emulating the days when the laws and the populace were more "Christian" are generally the same people who call for a more frequent use of the death penalty. The fact that the death penalty falls disproportionally upon the poor and minorities is, I am sure, quite irrelevant - and the fact that these same people are quick to call for clemency for white evangelical converts on death row is also, I am sure, merely coincidental. But oddly enough, the death penalty was used rather rarely in the colonies which modern evangelical leaders would like to emulate.

Although colonial leaders were prepared to execute people for sodomy and adultery, the fact of the matter is that this was a rare event. In some instances, sitting juries would refuse to convict guilty people simply because they did not want the death penalty imposed. The "Laws and Liberties of Massachusetts" of 1648 was closely modeled after Old Testament ideals of social order, and so included a death sentence for any child who "will not obey the voice of his Father or the Voice of his Mother," but there is no evidence that anyone was ever executed under this statute.

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The power to pardon condemned criminals was also heavily used in some areas, particularly Pennsylvania. In that state, there were only 170 capital convictions up to the Revolution, and of those only 94 were actually executed - the rest were pardoned. This means that the execution rate was only 1 per year - too high for some people, I'm sure, but obviously quite a bit lower than some states today. In the 18th century over 50% of condemned criminals in New York state received some sort of clemency. Executions only became more common as one moved into the southern regions, and then the burden fell primarily upon slaves. It is worth wondering why contemporary evangelical leaders want to emulate earlier American religious communities in everything but their capacity for mercy and humanity.

Evolution

Over the course of time, the above contexts obviously all changed. Towns grew bigger and more diverse. Traditional religious leaders lost much of their power and influence. Social order became gradually less dependent upon religious institutions and instead relied upon economic stability. In this way, crimes against property were given more attention than crimes against God. An example of this development can be seen in the attitudes towards fornication. Over time, almost all prosecutions were brought against women who became mothers to illegitimate children (and this was a bigger problem than many people might realize - even in the twenty years before the Revolutionary War, Concord Massachusetts saw one-third of all births occur out of wedlock). The justice system was not brought to bear against the sin of fornication so much as the absence of a responsible father. Instead of punishing a sin, the courts sought to find out who would be responsible - financially and psychologically - for raising the child.

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This is very much where we are now - is there any reason to return? When people call for a more religious society where laws are more explicitly based upon their religious principles, we have a model of just such a system in our own history. We can examine it and determine whether or not it creates the kind of society we want to have. Do we want sins to be crimes and crimes to be sins? Do we want a justice system which is predicated upon maintaining community cohesion around fundamental religious principles? Do we want a government which is an instrument of God designed to regulate human conduct and keep it in accord with God's will? Was the colonial system of justice, when explicitly religious in nature, an improvement over our own? Did it more effectively prevent crime, maintain peace and establish an orderly community?

I cannot give any answer other than NO to all of the above questions.

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/christian/blfaq_hist_earlyus.htm

Sources

Edmund S. Morgan. The Puritan Family: Religion and Domestic Relations in Seventeenth-Century New England.

Stephanie Coontz. The Way We Never Were: American Families and the Nostalgia Trap.

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I'm in and out. Everybody is asleep and so should I.

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Adultery, Bondage, Murder and Bible Study Jun 25, 2005

Lawrence Kansas

Martin K. Miller, 46, a church leader and board member of the Veritas Christian School, has been convicted of first-degree murder for strangling his wife to death. He faces a sentence of life without parole.

Miller's pastor, Leo Barbee commented, "He pretended he was walking in the spirit, that he was faithful. I think that all of us are subject to sin, to adultery, to murder, and it's sad, but I don't condemn him."

Miller was having an affair with Carrie Parbs, whom he met over the Internet. They whiled away the hours role-playing, engaging in bondage, sex, and studying the Bible. "Marty taught me a lot about being in touch with the Lord," said Parbs. Miller told Parbs he planned to divorce his wife.

The couple have two children, Melodie, 14, and Matthew, 12, who were both students at the Christian school where their father served.

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Christian Cable Mogul Gets 15 Years Jun 20, 2005

The founder of Adelphia Communications, John Rigas, 80, was sentenced to 15 years in prison, while his son Tim, the CFO, earned 20 years. They're scheduled to enter prison on September 19.

In true GOP style Rigas began, "If I did anything wrong, I apologize." He continued, "It's in your hands, and in God's hands. In my heart and conscience, I'll go to my grave really and truly believing that I did nothing but to improve conditions for my employees."

U.S. District Judge Leonard Sand said Rigas set Adelphia "on a track of lying, of cheating, of defrauding." Rigas faced a maximum of 215 years behind bars.

Rigas' fraud approached $2 billion dollars. The Rigas family has agreed to restitution of about 95% of its assets, leaving the improverished family to subsist on a mere $45 million.

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23-year-old Nun Murdered by Priest in Bizarre Ritual Killing Jun 20, 2005

ROMANIA
Father Daniel Petru Corogeanu, a Romanian Orthodox priest, has been arrested along with four nuns for the bizarre ritual murder of another nun, Sister Maricica Irina Cornici. She had insulted the father during a recent service in front of the congregation. Mr. Corogeanu convinced the others that Miss Cornici was possessed by the devil.

During Miss Cornici's exorcism she was tied to a cross, starved, gagged to stifle her screams, and hidden in a cellar. She died of suffocation on the third day.

Unremorseful Mr. Corogeanu said after his arrest, "People must know that the devil exists. I find his work in the gestures and speech of possessed people, because man is often weak and lets himself be easily manipulated by the forces of evil."

G'nite, Mel.

Christian Convicted of Mass Murder Jun 19, 2005

Fresno CA
Marchus Wesson is convicted on 23 counts including,

The murders of:

The bodies - unstacked

1 Sebhrenah Wesson

2 Elizabeth Wesson

3 Jeva Wesson

4 Sedona Wesson

5 Marshey Wesson

6 Ethan Wesson

7 Illabelle Wesson

8 Aviv Wesson

9 Jonathan Wesson

10-12 Continuous sexual abuse of niece, 1988-89; also forcible oral copulation, 1990-91

13-15 Continuous sexual abuse of daugther; also forcible rapes in 1995, 2002

16-17 Continuous sexual abuse and forcible rape of niece

20-21 Forcible rape of niece, 1998-99 and 2001-02

22 Continuous sexual abuse of daughter

23 Forcible rape of Sebhrenah Wesson

Marcus Wesson was convicted Friday of murdering his nine children. Each child was shot in the eye, the bodies stacked in a back room, arranged in order of age. Wesson faces the death penalty in the upcoming sentencing phase of his trial. He was also convicted on 14 counts of various sexual abuses and rapes of members of his family. His sexual abuse spanned three generations.

Marcus Wesson fashioned himself as a Biblical patriarch. He had nine children of his own with his wife, and fathered seven more with his daughters and nieces whom he "married" in a crude ceremony. DNA confirmed he was the father of all 16 children. He ruled his family through sexual abuse, intimidation and paranoia, engaging the children in murder-suicide pacts. He asked them, "Are you ready to die? If [Child Protective Services] ever comes in, we are to kill the kids and kill ourselves so we can be with the Lord."

Wesson taught his children that the world was full of sin and danger, and punished them with physical abuse and long Bible lessons, focusing on the passages that promote polygamy.

What's the point?

Stalin was an atheist... just like me.

Wanna list all the death, depravity and destruction he caused? Ordered?

Bad people exist in each and every ideology and religion.

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How to Prosper During the Coming Financial Apocalypse

by Mrs. Boyle (Joyce) Timbers

Rich Dad's Prophecy: Why the Biggest Stock Market Crash in History Is Still Coming... and How You Can Prepare Yourself and Profit from It!

Financial Reckoning Day: Surviving the Soft Depression of the 21st Century

Legacy: Paying the Price for the Clinton Years

It may take some time before the full glory of a Christ-centered government takes effect. In fact, things may get worse before they get better. The damage done to our economy by Bill and Hillary Clinton is both inestimable and insidious - rearing the full strength of its disastrous head only now when our first Christian President begins his second term. I make this warning to True Christians and other co-holders of the godly Templeton Fund portfolios so that they need not be discouraged and that they may not only weather, but come out on top of any impending national financial meltdown.

So before you rent the panic room here are 10 steps to take to make sure you and your family prosper in the coming financial Armageddon.

Consolidate your offshore accounts. The niggling fees associated with multiple numbered accounts can cost as much as a month's worth of French pedicures.

From Diana Vreeland: use leftover champagne as a rinse for your blonde child's hair.

Stopping and starting your SUV uses more gas than just driving: use your horn more often.

Tipping stinks of socialism. Stop doing it.

If your church has a soup kitchen donate soup recipes. Give a man a bowl of soup and he eats for one day, teach him how to make soup and he can eat for a lifetime.

Cash in your krugerands and invest in Wackenhut, the country's premier employer of both prison guards and mercenaries. As the economy melts down the country will need more of both, so invest now. Wackenhut is privately held, but has two subsidiaries Correctional Properties Trust (CVP), and The Geo Group (GGI) that are publi

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Invest in Halliburton (HAL) before we spread democracy to Iran, Korea, China, and California. As long as any lawsuits against the company go all the way to Antonin Scalia and the Supreme Court there's nothing to worry about.

Dispossess any children you even THINK might be gay before they're rounded up. Cut your losses now.

Don't bother tithing to any church that doesn't compensate you with a Berkshires time share or occasional use of their jet. If Pat Robertson's Operation Blessing jets can ferry diamonds across the Sierra Leone border they can damn well take your daughter to fashion week in Milan.

Turn your hobby into a faith based charity. Play Christian music and English language tapes as your staff works and claim you're running a Christian welfare to work program.

I didn't watch the speech, but what is it with those weird flags?

“For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”

“In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”

“But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.”

The age-old plot of an one-world government under Satan is perpetuated because this strange condition exists and has moved like a prevailing wind to bring clouds of spiritual darkness throughout the earth. I am referring to the absolute brainwashing of nearly all of the population of the world and especially the people of the United States of America. Who would ever guess that such a massive project of re-education, thought adjustment, and occult orientation could even be possible? It is a sad fact, however, that the vast majority of the population of the Western world has acquired and become acclimated to a new way of thinking. People do not look at things the way they once did. This is especially true in so-called Christian churches which were traditionally the strongholds of virtue, character, and morality. We are now seeing a blending of New Age concepts and occult spirituality with Christian terminology. In fact, all religions and belief systems are being folded into an admixture and have produced a society that is preoccupied with liberality.

The official Latin title of the office of the Pope is FILII VICARIVS DEI. When we add the Roman letters that have a number equivalent, we arrive at the following: F= nothing, I= 1, L= 50, I= 1, I= 1, V= 5, I= 1, C= 100, A= nothing, R= nothing, I= 1, V= 5, S= nothing, D= 500, E= nothing, I= 1. As we add the numbers, we find that the Latin title of the Pope equals 666. The remaining letters that have no numerical value nor equivalent, listed in exact order, are F, A, R, S, E.

The recent late Pope, John Paul II, attracted over 200 leaders of major nations and religions to his corpse and was highly praised as an unifier of all people. He was called “an Apostle of truth and defender of the faith.” (1) Leaders of nations and even so-called Protestant denominations referred to this dead Pope as Holy Father. President George W. Bush said that he was greatly moved at the funeral of the Holy Father. The Pope was placed in a wooden coffin shaped like a trapezoid, which in Pathagoran geometry is a symbol of the Egyptian god Set. The Egyptian god Set is one of the principalities under Satan and rules over sickness and death. We know that Set ruled with the Egyptian sun god Ra in Egyptian mythology. Pope John Paul II, interestingly, was born during an eclipse of the sun and buried during an eclipse of the sun. Now his successor, Pope Benedict XVI, has waved the five-year waiting period to make John Paul II a saint and has put that process on the fast track. (2)

Now Cardinal Ratsinger is Pope Benedict the XVI. The name Ratzinger was originally spelled with an “S” rather than with a “Z.” (4) This is important to note because Revelation, chapter 13, tells us that the mark of the beast is the number of a man’s name, and in the English alpha-numeric code of A=6, B=12, C=18, and so on though Z, Ratsinger equals 666. The American English alpha-numeric code is based on sixes, because the United States of America is divided into sixes. Thomas Jefferson, one of the founders of our country who was also a personal friend of Dr. Adam Weishaupt, the founder of the Illuminati, divided our nation into a grid-work of townships of six square miles each. We also know that mathematically the square of 6 is 36, and when we add all of the numbers from 1 through 36, we have a total of 666.

As Joseph Ratsinger was growing up, the infamous Third Reich of Adolph Hitler was rising. Joseph Ratsinger was not only in the Hitler Youth and wore the Nazi Swastika but was later a soldier in the Nazi Wehrmacht Army! (5) Some people have wondered if he may forget himself and say “Heil Mary” instead of “Hail Mary”. Germany is indeed proud of this new Pope, who took office 70 years after the Nazi blood purge of S.S. Reichsfuhrer Heinrich Himler in 1935. The new Pope was elected on the 13th day before the Witches’ high sabat of Beltaine, and his first full day in office as Pope Benedict XVI was on Adolph Hitler’s birthday. We know that Hitler rose to power in the beer halls of southern Germany where he went into these saloons and bought beer for all of the saloon-a-tics and started a beer hall putsch. Now we see that Wolfgang Boehm has presented a special beer in the new Pope’s honor at Ratsinger’s birthplace. The beer is called Pabstbier or Pope’s beer. (6) I have in front of me a picture of Ratsinger, dressed in clerical garb and lifting a giant-size glass of beer with Peter May, a German brewer. (7)

There are a few other things that we must know about Cardinal Ratsinger or Pope Benedict XVI. He is the first Pope to be elected in the New Age of Aquarius, the 11th sign of the zodiac. This is important to the Illuminati, upper-level Freemasons, and high-level traditionalist witches. Traditionally, there 108 stars in the sign of Aquarius. The conclave that elected the Pope convened on April 18th, which is the 108th day of the year. After only one day, on the 109th day of the year, the new Pope was elected. This happened as the 108th United States Congress gave way to the 109th U.S. Congress!

Clearly, the beast and the false prophet are rising. In Revelation 13:11 we are warned as follows: “And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth: and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.” We know that the Pope’s hat or miter has two points or horns. This beast may look like a lamb to many people, but soon he will begin to speak like a dragon. We also know that the secret order of the Jesuits with their Black Pope or General of the Order will increase their clandestine operations as the end approaches. Wherever you see their secret words “Ad Majorvm Dei Gloriam”, you know the Jesuits are up to something. Thankfully, our Lord Jesus Christ has promised to be with us to the very end of the world.

Now that President George W. Bush is in his second term as President and cannot be re-elected, his true colors are beginning to show. Both George and his wife, Laura, are becoming a great embarrassment to our country. At a recent gathering of the press corps and the Washington power elite, Laura Bush made some very unsavory and even obscene comments. Laura Bush said that on a typical night she would be watching the program Desperate Housewives, and that because her husband goes to bed early, she has become a desperate housewife herself. She went on to say that Lynn Cheney, two female Supreme Court Justices, and she would go to clubs featuring male strippers. Mrs. Bush also made a comment about bestiality that is so vile and repulsive that I cannot print it in this newsletter. (27) It was all passed off as a joke, but even if these things are not true, they should never have been said. Only low-life people with no class at all would say such things. Where is the respect and dignity for the high offices they hold?

Now that President George W. Bush is in his second term as President and cannot be re-elected, his true colors are beginning to show. Both George and his wife, Laura, are becoming a great embarrassment to our country. At a recent gathering of the press corps and the Washington power elite, Laura Bush made some very unsavory and even obscene comments. Laura Bush said that on a typical night she would be watching the program Desperate Housewives, and that because her husband goes to bed early, she has become a desperate housewife herself. She went on to say that Lynn Cheney, two female Supreme Court Justices, and she would go to clubs featuring male strippers. Mrs. Bush also made a comment about bestiality that is so vile and repulsive that I cannot print it in this newsletter. (27) It was all passed off as a joke, but even if these things are not true, they should never have been said. Only low-life people with no class at all would say such things. Where is the respect and dignity for the high offices they hold?

Managing the Herd of Humanity!

As Satan finalizes his plan to unify the entire world under his leadership, we are seeing many things take place. We know that the masterminds of the Illuminati conspiracy that own and control our United States Government have long wanted a national I.D. card in order to micro-manage the people of this country. Here let it be noted that on the 11th day after the witches’ high sabat of Beltaine the U.S. Senate passed a bill known as the Real ID bill.” The author of this legislation is House Judiciary Committee Chairman F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr., a Republican from Wisconsin. (29) This legislation opens the door and paves the way for the forthcoming national ID card and the end of privacy in America.

Other strange things are happening in our country. I have photographs in front of me of blue signs that are being installed which indicate evacuation routes and evacuation reception centers. They are blue signs with white lettering and borders. I have other photographs of extremely large vehicles with obvious high-tech devices on the roofs and who-knows-what inside. The trucks are clearly marked Homeland Security. It was also recently reported by the Associated Press that wiretaps in the United States have jumped 19% in 2004. (30)

Another report by Reuters News Service tells of the European Union’s new multi-billion-euro Galileo satellite navigation and global positioning system. (31) This eye-in-the-sky spy system can pinpoint your location no matter where you are. This is not the world I was born into and neither is it the world I remember.

Another project that is being launched is called the Genographic Project involving the Center for Disease Control, IBM, and the National Geographic Society. The massive project uses DNA to track family trees and link all human beings together into one massive world-wide family tree. The original plan is to gather 100,000 DNA samples and begin from there. National Geographic Society President John Fahey said, “What we’re doing is inviting the entire world to participate.” (32) Watch for more required DNA testing!

Other strange things are happening in our country. I have photographs in front of me of blue signs that are being installed which indicate evacuation routes and evacuation reception centers. They are blue signs with white lettering and borders. I have other photographs of extremely large vehicles with obvious high-tech devices on the roofs and who-knows-what inside. The trucks are clearly marked Homeland Security. It was also recently reported by the Associated Press that wiretaps in the United States have jumped 19% in 2004. (30)

Another report by Reuters News Service tells of the European Union’s new multi-billion-euro Galileo satellite navigation and global positioning system. (31) This eye-in-the-sky spy system can pinpoint your location no matter where you are. This is not the world I was born into and neither is it the world I remember.

Other strange things are happening in our country. I have photographs in front of me of blue signs that are being installed which indicate evacuation routes and evacuation reception centers. They are blue signs with white lettering and borders. I have other photographs of extremely large vehicles with obvious high-tech devices on the roofs and who-knows-what inside. The trucks are clearly marked Homeland Security. It was also recently reported by the Associated Press that wiretaps in the United States have jumped 19% in 2004. (30)

Another report by Reuters News Service tells of the European Union’s new multi-billion-euro Galileo satellite navigation and global positioning system. (31) This eye-in-the-sky spy system can pinpoint your location no matter where you are. This is not the world I was born into and neither is it the world I remember.

The atrocities of war which include the thousands of lives lost, the cries of the wounded, permanently maimed, and the heartbroken families, and the untold grief of every kind are nearly beyond belief. Recently, a British MP named George Galloway spoke out because he had seen enough. Galloway said, “I am speaking for tens of millions, and maybe more, around the world, who know the truth about Iraq. Who know that the real criminals are in Washington…..the American people are not bad or evil people, but they are ruled by bad people. The U.S. and British governments will burn in hell fires.” (10)

The U.S. Army has now issued a new shoulder patch for troops assigned to headquarters of the Multi-National Force – Iraq, which commands all U.S. forces in the country. The arm patch has various occult symbols on it including the seven-pointed star or druidic septenary, the crossed scimitars, which are curved swords; and most distressing of all, the patch features a Mesopotamian human-headed winged bull. (4) This composite beast is a powerful symbol used in ancient witchcraft. The Greeks had a similar image, but it was reversed as a human man with the head of a bull called a minotaur, which literally means moon bull. In witchcraft doctrine the half bull and half man represents the unified power of the sun god and the moon goddess, and because it is real witchcraft, it attracts many evil spirits. Our U.S. soldiers are now wearing this image.

Do you mean to be a useless piece of shit, or did things just work out that way?

Second Video Reveals More About Alleged Christian Hate Crime
Prosecutors Accuse Repent America Officials Of Trying To Incite Riot

POSTED: 7:13 pm EST January 13, 2005

PHILADELPHIA -- On Wednesday, NBC 10 showed video taken from Enough Said Productions that showed Christian protesters being arrested at a gay and lesbian festival last October. The leader of the group has been charged with a hate crime.

Thursday, NBC 10 viewed newly released video taken by the Philadelphia Gay Pride Organization to see if it shines more light on the controversial First Amendment issue.

Through the lens of photographers from the Philadelphia Gay Pride Organization, last October's protests by the Christian group Repent America looks a little different from what has been described by prosecutors.

"They're calling people she-men. They're telling them they have a 5 o'clock shadow," said Chuck Volz, of the Philadelphia Gay Pride Organization of what he witnessed.

"The mayor lied to you this morning, your shadow is showing," one of the Repent America protestors said during the rally.

Mark Diener is one of the protestors arrested. He is seen on the video using a bullhorn.

"They were screaming over a bullhorn nasty things in their faces. I think that's fighting words and it could amount to a riot situation," Volz said.

"I do not agree with those who go out and say, 'God hates you,' and the other terms we've been hearing," said Michael Marcavage, a leader of Repent America.

Marcavage faces felony charges including ethnic intimidation and rioting. However, in both the Gay Pride video and the independent company's video, Marcavage did not appear to be especially confrontational.

"I have repented of my sins and God is telling you to repent," Marcavage said over a bullhorn at the festival.

"The issue was not with what we were doing, but the issue was with what we were saying," Marcavage said.

"This has to do with conduct, not content," said Assistant District Attorney Charles Ehrlich.

Ehrlich said the protesters disobeyed police orders to relocate within the festival.

"You can be disorderly, you can fail to follow p

"You can be disorderly, you can fail to follow police orders, or you can take your conduct to another level where you're endangering public safety," Ehrlich said.

According to the police report, as many as 500 people gathered around the 11 protesters.

"He tries to hide behind the First Amendment and his right to free speech, when really what he's all about is trying to provoke people into violence," Ehrlich said.

Marcavage said that he is not trying to hide behind the First Amendment and that he is protected by that amendment. He said he has been arrested many times for preaching and protesting, but he has never been convicted.

Marcavage has filed a federal lawsuit against the city of Philadelphia for allegedly violating his civil rights.

I missed this story in Fortune last April, and it's (online) subscription only now, but... if you think you have problems, consider poor pitiful Lee Raymond:

OIL INDUSTRY

Poor Little Rich Company
On the back of $55 oil, Exxon Mobil has become one of the world's richest companies. And that's the problem.

By Nelson D. Schwartz

Exxon Mobil CEO Lee Raymond should be enjoying a victory lap right about now. But instead of celebrating the fact that surging energy prices have brought his company to within shouting distance of the top spot on this year's FORTUNE 500 (it's No. 2 again), the soon-to-retire CEO suddenly has a new anxiety: how to spend the windfall wrought by $55-a-barrel oil. By the end of April, Exxon will have a cash hoard of more than $25 billion

(tip from reading Jim Hightower's newsletter)

Maybe, similar to Pinochio, neocons and their apologists feel like lying helps their wankers grow.

Posted by: dr at June 29, 2005 12:42 AM

My friend Will came back from his tsunami relief work in Indonesia. He told me something interesting I though I should share.

Shortly after he arrived, he was dredging a well, when a man walked up to him and asked him something in a language he didn't understand. The man seemed very angry, and when Will tried to explain that he didn't understand, and was an American, the man got even angrier. He started shouting, and kicking dirt on Will. Since Will's a Meeting Quaker, he ignored it and kept working. People started to gather, and as the man kept shouting, the crowd got agitated. The only word Will understood in all of it was "American", which kept coming up. Peoplestarted picking up sticks and other heavy objects, and closed in around him. The woman who was his supervisor called out something, and the crowd parted to let her through. She asked Will "Where are you from?" and motioned for him to answer to the crowd, not to her. "Berkeley" he told them - and a couple people lowered their weapons and said "ah", then turned and spoke to the people near them. The supervisor asked Will "They don't know Berkeley, what province?" and again motioned at the crowd. It took him a moment to equate "province" with "state", but when he answered, it was with "California". All weapons lowered, and most eyes with them. The man who started it all dropped his stick and shyly offered his hand to my friend. Will shook his hand, and the others around came up and patted him on the back, some of the children hugged him, and a few of the people had tears in their eyes. One woman told the supervisor, who translated "Tell him we are sorry. We know California. They are good kind people, not like Americans. He came so far to help and we are ashamed". Will told me he had to hide is face so they wouldn't see his tears, or how he burned with rage and shame. He told me "I couldn't tell them that Californians are Americans".

Doofus,
There was no applause...

Campaign or govern?

You can fake vote results...

You can fake the news...

You can't fake the end result as it effects people in their personal lives...

When it comes down to it...You just can't "manage reality" to a fine enough degree of detail to inure yourselves from the effects that every day life on people...

I know it sounded good on paper right?

Social engineering is the same as any other engineering...If engineers knew jack shit about the nitty gritty of doing the job they wouldn't be engineers...

Strauss was a fool that didn't understand the long term...People learn and people change...Like all of those prone to sociopathy he was stuck viewing the short term and unable to view temporal progressions of thought in his "victims".

He did not respect humanity and in so doing built his model, his strategem upon his own flaws...It's the same old story...his arrogance the seeds of his inevitable failue...

And what of his followers doofus?...What becomes of those that truly view themselves as superior to the masses?

Remember this doofus...The smallness you see in others is only a projection of yourself...

Campaign or govern?

JIK,
Excellent material today...thanks

Can't hang out today....gotta work on building my own personal utopia...

The balance is not dynamic.

Peace, love and eternal grooviness

I'm out

"Peace, love and eternal grooviness"

Hippies! Eeeeek!!!

Posted by: Anonymous at June 29, 2005 05:38 AM

Ok, who shook -B's cage?

Clearly he's agitated.

Posted by: Nobody at June 29, 2005 08:21 AM

What makes you call that excellent material?

Posted by: Anonymous at June 29, 2005 08:43 AM

What's So Funny About Peace, Love and Understanding?

Posted by: JIK at June 29, 2005 07:57 AM

Why do hippies taste so good?

Or is it that they have good taste?

Posted by: Nobody at June 29, 2005 08:16 AM

Can we find any examples of sociopathic behavior here on this blog?

Posted by: dr at June 29, 2005 12:42 AM

Why is SYNA so concerned with penises, what makes them grow and their various sizes?

What a dumbass – that’ll learn him

Weare, New Hampshire (PRWEB) Could a hotel be built on the land owned by Supreme Court Justice David H. Souter? A new ruling by the Supreme Court which was supported by Justice Souter himself itself might allow it. A private developer is seeking to use this very law to build a hotel on Souter's land.

Justice Souter's vote in the "Kelo vs. City of New London" decision allows city governments to take land from one private owner and give it to another if the government will generate greater tax revenue or other economic benefits when the land is developed by the new owner.

http://www.freestarmedia.com/hotellostliberty2.html

"What's the point?"

The point is to provide ammo for people in arguments with idiots.

"Stalin was an atheist... just like me."

An observation I might have made on my own, but would have kept to myself. But now that you mention it....

Posted by: JIK at June 29, 2005 09:22 AM

Mornin' JIK!

I see our resident genius is answering an idiot's questions again!

Masterful work as usual!

I would have kept that to myself, but now that you mention it...

Justice Souter's vote in the "Kelo vs. City of New London" decision allows city governments to take land from one private owner and give it to another if the government will generate greater tax revenue or other economic benefits when the land is developed by the new owner.

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This unconstitutional criminal ruling means that a company owned by a foreign government, say China for instance, or perhaps Saudi Arabia, can take your land from you just by proving to the city government that they can produce more tax revenue on the land. If city governments refuse, expect developers to sue.

Bush Sr. was the ambassador to China, now his son's economic policies have virtually given them our country. What was W's first act as president? To seal the records of his father's administration.

This ruling by the Supreme Court solidifies the apparent power grab of China by making all of us vulnerable to their economic pressure.

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WIMBLEDON 2005 QTR-FINALS

everytime the spanish mofo loses a point, i give him the finger

LLEYTON HEWITT IS 2 SETS UP

KA-MON !!!

Bush doesn't know what is his top job in office is!!!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/29/9300/04524

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you. Please be seated. Good evening. I'm pleased to visit Fort Bragg, "Home of the Airborne and Special Operations Forces." It's an honor to speak before you tonight.

My greatest responsibility as President is to protect the American people.

Actually this is not true and while it sounds good, it sets a fairly dangerous precedent. Every single President swears an oath of office which comes directly from Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution and reads: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.".

That's why I asked for historic examples of sucessful occupations.

He never gave one.

Instead he became - dogmatic...

Posted by: "NEWS CONSUMER" at June 29, 2005 02:58 AM

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I did not think that was what you were asking for..

If I did I would have given you Japan, Germany, and Italy..

Posted by: JIK at June 29, 2005 07:57 AM

Why do hippies taste so good?

Or is it that they have good taste?

Posted by: Inquisitor at June 29, 2005 09:01 AM

++++++++++++

I don't really know any hippies except Wavy Gravy and a woman named Gina, and I never tasted either of them.

Will isn't a hippy, he's a Quaker who does a lot of relief work, when he's not building houses.

Your little plastic boxes are fictional, they're a comfort mechanism intended to make you feel like you know what's going on, like it's all very simple and clear. Of course, you're living in a fantasy world created by fat middle-aged men with ulcers who smoke cigars and hate just about everything, but hey, if those are the blinders you need, I wish you well. Just please, when you crash, don't let it be into me. Thanks. You may go now, and have as nice a day as your delusions will allow.

It's legal to kill War Dog.

My greatest responsibility as President is to protect the American people.

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If Bush is not responsible for National Defense..

Is it the responsibility of Congress or the Courts?

Of course it's legal to kill War Dog. He's a Bin Laden supporter, and an enemy combatant.

You foolish infidels will never take me alive. The glorious Jihad of our beloved Osama Bin Laden will wash over your Satan country like a flood of the Tigris, and your blood will flow like rain. Your homosexual president George W. Bush is the most hated man in history, and the world will thank us for removing him and the Satan America from the world. I am the Dog of Holy War, and my bark is JIHAD!

"Welcome to Fox's America, land of dissociation, where war isn't real but must be supported at all costs".

It's legal to kill War Dog.

Posted by: Anonymous at June 29, 2005 09:49 AM

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If you can..

"With its usual reverence, Fox also covered Bush's speech itself, an utterly insignificant offering that seemed to have been spliced together from earlier "inspiring" Bush sound bites. Bush sought to rally support for the increasingly disastrous war by saying we had to fight the terrorists "where they are making their stand" -- leaving out the inconvenient fact that they were not there before he invaded."

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 09:51 AM

You'll say anything to spin for Bush including reinterpreting the constitution. Hell you can't even give me your definition of democracy and freedom aside from plenty of handwaving and useless remark.

Here is a tip: If you can't answer a question in clear and crisp idea. Either you are parsing or you don't know.

"After 9/11 Bush told Americans that they were embarked on a great struggle, the "war on terror," and he periodically appealed to their fear and anger. But he has demanded no sacrifice -- unless slapping a $1 yellow "Support Our Troops" sticker on the back of your car counts as a sacrifice. In his speech Tuesday, Bush seemed aware that the war is a phantom, disconnected from American reality: He appealed to the country to make some gesture of support to the troops on July 4. It was a pathetic, token appeal that will do little or nothing to unify the country. Perhaps it will raise some troops' morale, but properly armored vehicles would do far more."

"This always happens: Every combat veteran knows this about war, but the politicians who make war don't, or don't tell. Yes, compared with World War II, or even Vietnam, not many American troops are dying in Iraq. But every GI who dies in Iraq, and every dead Iraqi civilian we don't count, is a human being like you or me, and as worthy of memorializing as the people who died in the World Trade Center -- certainly as Natalee Holloway. It's time, long past time, for the media to get real about war. Until it does, the TV channels will just be filled with bread and circuses and lies. And the Great Awakening that was supposed to be ushered in will be revealed to be a restless sleep, haunted by shabby, mean-spirited dreams."

Here is a tip: If you can't answer a question in clear and crisp idea. Either you are parsing or you don't know.

Posted by: wanda at June 29, 2005 10:04 AM

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Well then..

Who is responsible for National Defense?

War Dog hates Jesus. Ask him.

Mornin gang,

birds chirpin in the hood

the little ones in the tree outside

the office have been fed and are sleeping.

what a treat to be able to take my morning coffee

out in the back yard and watch this all go down!

so good morning all, another day begins.

Who is responsible for National Defense?

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 10:07 AM

You mean George Bush is standing in front line and charging against the terrorist himself? (Yes/No?) Or is he running institutions provided by the constitution?

whatever mister writer. Try parsing otherway.

LLEYTON HEWITT IN STRAIGHT SETS

HEWITT 3 SETS ; spanish mofo zip (in ur face!)

that's one for us, war-dog. you & me, bro.

one for the coalition of the willing!

:)

we're the best, fuck the rest

Hello, Americans. I understand you have a nosferatu infestation in your nations capitol. Is that correct?

I think we should be proud to have a President who is willing to help others in the world build their own democracy..

As Lebanon fights to escape the grip of Syria..

The Palestinians try seek to establish their own nation..

And who is the man who set all this in motion..??

That is right..

Our Beloved President George W. Bush..

The Father of Democracy in the Mideast!

"I see our resident genius is answering an idiot's questions again!"

What question did I ask that was idiotic? And which resident genius answered?

I think we should be proud to have a President who is willing to help others in the world build their own democracy..

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 10:15 AM

It's Jingoistic Wardog. It's just empty slogan. You will praise whatever Bush does, even sitting on his thumb.

You are a nickle spinner.

It was really mean for people to use war dogs picture to make up those child molester posters. It will be much worse when they put them up all over five different cities.

As Lebanon fights to escape the grip of Syria..

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 10:15 AM

And Iraq is fighting to escape our occupation grip.

Did I just hear correctly? Did Jerry Springer just say "If you want to defend America, then secure the American borders"? Is Jerry Springer a Minuteman supporter?

JE-RRY! JE-RRY! JE-RRY! JE-RRY!

Well, I see you president is showing his ass again.

You foolish infidels will never take me alive. The glorious Jihad of our beloved Osama Bin Laden will wash over your Satan country like a flood of the Tigris, and your blood will flow like rain. Your homosexual president George W. Bush is the most hated man in history, and the world will thank us for removing him and the Satan America from the world. I am the Dog of Holy War, and my bark is JIHAD!

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 09:55 AM

THIS POST WAS SENT TO THE OFFICE OF HOMELAND SECURITY AT 07:30 HOURS ON WEDNESDAY JUNE 29 2005

June 28, 2005


Dems target pre-Iraq war intelligence
By Josephine Hearn

Democrats are eyeing several parliamentary maneuvers to prod Congress into investigating the so-called Downing Street memo and other recently disclosed documents that they contend shows that the Bush administration manipulated prewar intelligence to build support for the war in Iraq.

Although any Democratic move will almost certainly fail in the face of vigorous Republican opposition, such maneuvers would constitute the first steps toward filing articles of impeachment, a bold step that some Democrats have left as an open question in recent weeks.

“If you read the record of the writing of the Constitution, ‘high crimes and misdemeanors’ had a very particular meaning at the time of the drafting of the Constitution. It certainly didn’t mean lying about sex, but it might well mean lying to the Congress about a large public purpose such as Iraq,” Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) said at a forum held by Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) earlier this month, referring to the 1998 impeachment proceedings against then-President Bill Clinton.

Democrats and allied groups are mulling at least two options to spur an investigation.

Conyers met recently with representatives of a recently formed coalition of liberal groups, AfterDowningStreet.org, that is calling for a resolution-of-impeachment inquiry, which would direct the Judiciary Committee to launch a probe of the claims. Republicans filed such a resolution in 1998 to kick off their effort to remove Clinton from office.

“We would like to see a member of Congress look into whether or not the president committed impeachable offenses,” said John Bonifaz, a constitutional lawyer who co-founded the group. “We’ve been having that discussion with a number of offices.”

LINK

Blame the president.

Posted by: Exhausted Blogger at June 29, 2005 01:51 AM

=================================================

I said the folks..

Not the loonys..

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 01:56 AM

LMAO

Thanks, Wardog.

This one made my morning.

I hope President Cheney runs again in 2008!

He could be President for 8 years after that!

I can only dream..

I wonder why no one cares about that Memo?

[QUOTE:]

"The consumer is responsible for 70% of the economy, and every additional penny at the pump takes $1.5 billion out of people's pockets."

I hope President Cheney runs again in 2008! He could be President for 8 years after that! I can only dream..

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 10:33 AM

well at least you try to develop sense of humor after being pointed out how silly your jingoism has become.

looks like there's going to be another show down between hewitt and federer, that dour swiss prick, in the semi's

federer has a god-like right hand, and a scrawny left hand that he uses to scratch the left side of his head

Hello, Americans. I understand you have a nosferatu infestation in your nations capitol. Is that correct?

Posted by: Abraham VanHelsing at June 29, 2005 10:14 AM

/////////////////////////////////////////////////

That is right..

Our Beloved President George W. Bush..

The Father of Democracy in the Mideast!

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 10:15 AM

Hello, Americans. I understand you have a nosferatu infestation in your nations capitol. Is that correct?

Posted by: Abraham VanHelsing at June 29, 2005 10:14 AM

/////////////////////////////////////////////////

That is right..

Our Beloved President George W. Bush..

The Father of Democracy in the Mideast!

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 10:15 AM

Posted by: YIN/YANG at June 29, 2005 10:38 AM

I think you should be working to help Hillary..

Not dreaming about impeachment..

Hillary is loved by the folks..

She is pro-war..

And pro-business..

No one stands a chance to stop her..

Sam and Janeane will march right in line with Hillary..

Just as they did for Kerry..

That is how the system works..

It fine to pretend..

But in the end you must be a party player!

He doesn't even blink...or skip a beat!

WAL!

Posted by: YIN/YANG at June 29, 2005 10:38 AM

Posted by: """PRICELESS""" at June 29, 2005 10:40 AM

Response to Bush Speech - The answer is impeachment, the time to do
it is now
http://progressivedailybeacon.com/commentary.php?id=658
By: August Keso - June 29th, 2005

George W. Bush's speech, according to ABC, required the
administration's advanced team to "seed" applause in order to get the
military crowd to react. It didn't get any better, for Bush from there.
A CNN snap poll, which consisted of 50% Republicans, 25% Democrats and
25% Independent voters couldn't muster much more than a 45% approval.
The population polled begs the question - umm, why would any supposed
news organization conduct a poll ... more

LINK

No wonder the left is so focused on Iraq. Their hopes and dreams for a tanking economy have been dashed.

It's not the economy's fault that you're unemployable! IT'S YOURS!!

___________________________________

U.S. Q1 GDP revised up to 3.8%

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - Despite high energy prices and the fear of a soft patch, the U.S. economy didn't slow a bit in the first quarter of 2005, the Commerce Department said Wednesday.

First-quarter gross domestic product increased at a 3.8% annual rate, matching the 3.8% rate in the fourth quarter. Last month, the government estimated first-quarter growth at 3.5%.

LINK

The Daily Scribble

The self-proclaimed War President, George W. Bush, addressed the nation from the patriotic backdrop of Fort Bragg, North Carolina, last night. Analysts said he really seemed to be addressing his supporters. One noted that a lot of people had other things to do than watch the speech on a summer evening (smiles on my part). I do wish we could all agree -- yeah, right -- that we can support the troops without supporting Bush. He, of course, tries to tie supporting the troops to supporting him. Here's links to stories on the speech: Washington Post.com ; New York Times.com ; The text of the speech from Washington Post.com

P.S. Regarding posting obvious links, I do them for myself for later use. I once had some cartoons included in a collection a decade after I'd done them. The editor asked me to give the historical background for each. By that time I had to go back and research the background.

http://www.theillustrateddailyscribble.com/daily.scribble.pages.05/06.29.05.html

Female Smokers Needed

Reply to: austinvision@sbcglobal.net

Date: 2005-06-23, 1:45PM CDT

Thin, attractive, very feminine female models that smoke on a daily basis are needed for the www.SmokingModels.com video shoot. Petite, age 18-35, height 5'8" or less. There is no nudity involved. If you are very feminine and smoke on a daily basis please reply to this casting. We are always looking for new models. Professional photos or previous modeling experience is not required to apply.

This is a photo and video shoot for the SmokingModels DVD and web site. The pay is $750 for an easy three day shoot. Travel and first class hotel expenses are paid by us. We have been filming this successful video project for eight years and have recent model references for your verification. It's an ongoing project, there are no specific dates, we can film anytime. Please forward images or a link to your images along with your phone number. Submissions without a phone number will not be considered.

Looking forward to working with you, thanks!

Steve Austin
austinvision@sbcglobal.net

* Job location is Little Rock

* Compensation: 750

When you think about it..

Bush has over 3 more years left in office..

3 years!

That is a long time.

Maybe by then you will get used to idea and quit squirming so much..

Lead Actress for Feature Film

Reply to: justin@castparty.com

Date: 2005-06-28, 6:49PM EDT

Award-winning Castparty Productions seeks lead actress for an independent feature film (drama).

Character is an intelligent, strikingly attractive immigrant, 18-30.

Authentic foreign accent is a major plus, as is height over 5'6". Please send acting résumé and photo to justin@castparty.com.

* Job location is Cambridge, MA

* Compensation: Small stipend, meals during shoot, DVDs of finished film.

The Saudi oil bombshell
By Michael T Klare

For those oil enthusiasts who believe that petroleum will remain abundant for decades to come - among them President George W Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, and their many friends in the oil industry - any talk of an imminent "peak" in global oil production and an ensuing decline can be easily countered with a simple mantra: "Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia."

Not only will the Saudis pump extra oil now to alleviate global shortages, it is claimed, but they will keep pumping more in the years ahead to quench our insatiable thirst for energy. And when the kingdom's existing fields run dry, lo, they will begin pumping from other fields that are just waiting to be exploited. We ordinary folk need have no worries about oil scarcity, because Saudi Arabia can satisfy our current and future needs. This is, in fact, the basis for the Bush administration's contention that we can continue to increase our yearly consumption of oil, rather than conserve what's left and begin the transition to a post-petroleum economy. Hallelujah for Saudi Arabia!

But now, from an unexpected source, comes a devastating challenge to this powerful dogma: in a newly released book, investment banker Matthew R Simmons convincingly demonstrates that, far from being capable of increasing its output,
Saudi Arabia is about to face the exhaustion of its giant fields and, in the relatively near future, will probably experience a sharp decline in output. "There is only a small probability that Saudi Arabia will ever deliver the quantities of petroleum that are assigned to it in all the major forecasts of world oil production and consumption," Simmons writes in Twilight in the Desert: The Coming Saudi Oil Shock and the World Economy. "Saudi Arabian production," he adds, italicizing his claims to drive home his point, "is at or very near its peak sustainable volume ... and it is likely to go into decline in the very foreseeable future."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GF29Ak01.html

Once again, however, the president missed an opportunity to fully level with Americans, even though some of the hard truths he elided have been spelled out by his aides and senior military commanders. The insurgency, they have said, is not growing weaker; most likely, said Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, it will never be defeated by American troops, and it will continue for many more years. Iraqi troops probably will not be ready to take over from U.S. units for several years, at least. For now, the combined U.S.-Iraqi force is nowhere near large enough to hold territory taken from the insurgents or to secure the country's borders. Yet Army and Marine units are being pressed into their third tours of duty, even as recruitment of fresh soldiers at home lags badly.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/28/AR2005062801525.html

kill war dog

WANTED: Young Filmmakers

Reply to: see below

Date: 2005-06-28, 1:43PM EDT

WANTED:

Young Filmmakers (shooters) wanted for a 24 hour continuous shoot. Footage set to air on a major television network.

-Recent College graduates encouraged to apply
-Must own broadcast quality 3CCD camera (DVX100A, PD150, PD170)
-Must own broadcast quality sound equipment - Shotgun & Wireless mic
-Must live in Philidelphia area
-Please do not inquire unless you have met the technical requirements listed above
-For Consideration Fax resume to 212 627 9874

* Job location is Philidelphia

* Compensation: $250/24hrs + $35 per diem for meals + credit

Bush didn't explain how a war meant to remove a tyrant believed to wield weapons of mass destruction turned into a fight against Muslim militants, a transformation caused in part by his administration's many errors since Saddam Hussein's defeat more than two years ago.

Wardrobe Person

Reply to: dcapone0@lycos.com

Date: 2005-06-28, 5:49PM CDT

We are in need of a reliable, experienced wardrobe person for a short film to be shot July 11-17.

* Job location is Chicago

* Compensation: $400

Wardog, are you attached? If not, want to get together?

Enemy Fire a Possible Cause of Helicopter Crash

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/29/AR2005062900415.html

A large U.S. military helicopter crashed Tuesday afternoon while carrying 17 American troops to reinforce a counterterrorism mission in eastern Afghanistan, U.S. officials confirmed. "Initial reports indicate the crash may have been caused by hostile fire," the military said in a statement this morning.

The incident, the first time a U.S. military helicopter in Afghanistan has been reported shot down since Operation Anaconda in early 2002, underscored the continuing danger to U.S. and Afghan troops from armed anti-government groups, especially the Taliban.

The Not-So-Long Gray Line
By LUCIAN K. TRUSCOTT IV
Los Angeles

JUNE is the month in which West Point celebrates the commissioning of its graduating class and prepares to accept a new group of candidates eager to embrace the arduous strictures of the world's most prestigious military academy. But it can also be a cruel month, because West Pointers five years removed from graduation have fulfilled their obligations and can resign.

My class, that of 1969, set a record with more than 50 percent resigning within a few years of completing the service commitment. (My father's class, 1945, the one that "missed" World War II, was considered to be the previous record-holder, with about 25 percent resigning before they reached the 20 years of service entitling them to full retirement benefits.)

And now, from what I've heard from friends still in the military and during the two years I spent reporting from Iraq and Afghanistan, it seems we may be on the verge of a similar exodus of officers. The annual resignation rate of Army lieutenants and captains rose to 9 percent last year, the highest since before the Sept. 11 attacks. And in May, The Los Angeles Times reported on "an undercurrent of discontent within the Army's young officer corps that the Pentagon's statistics do not yet capture."

I'm not surprised. In 1975, I received a foundation grant to write reports on why such a large percentage of my class had resigned. This money would have been better spent studying the emerging appeal of Scientology, because a single word answered the question: Vietnam.

LINK

Male Models for TV commercial

Reply to: job-81372071@craigslist.org

Date: 2005-06-28, 1:43PM EDT

Non-Union male models needed for gay TV commercial (cable + network).

Available for casting in Manhattan THIS Friday.

Please send photo (from head to chest).

* Compensation: based on exp

You wanna know why this long, protracted exercise in spite and delusion and denial is necessary in America?

B/c the lie that "we coulda won in Vietnam" was allowed to stand.

It is the childish, reactionary dreams of selfish children -- the chickenhawk legacy of Rush Limbaugh and his ilk.

The ideological heirs of that nitwit fiasco learned precisely nothing from Vietnam except a childish fantasy of revisionism, and now these war-mongering revisionist nitwits run our country, but it's even worse this time around.

At least liberal idiots who engaged in unnecessary wars like Vietnam were largely former servicemembers.

This new crop of fake conservatives are chickenhawks who now find themselves in approximately the same position as did the blinkered apologists of Vietnam.

"Vietnamization" -- training the South Vietnamese Army to fight for itself -- has now become "Iraqization".

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

No one of any responsibility ever questions the efficacy of the original idea, of course. Start w/a bad idea, little surprise when things steadily deteriorate.

Invading Iraq was a very bad idea.

Morally it was wrong.

Practically it was stupid.

Geopolitically it was a disaster.

But here we stand. Making excuses. Spewing bullshit explanations. "Staying the course."

Some people would rather throw the baby out with the bathwater than admit they were in error and seek to correct it.

George W. Bush is just such a monstrously selfish and delusional person.

Our country is being used to assuage the tender egos of men and women who don't have the first fucking clue what they are doing in Iraq.

Of men and women who show outright disregard and contempt for our military.

Of men and women who think nothing of selfishly pitting American against American to wage a war on reality itself.

The fish rots at the head.

And it shows.

Wardog, are you attached? If not, want to get together?

Posted by: SYNA at June 29, 2005 10:57 AM

Since you have no problem stealing my nic, I would assume that you steal other things, too.

Was that why you lost your job? Because you got caught making off with a stapler?

CAST NEEDED for shoot July 23rd, 24th and 25th

Reply to: job-81461549@craigslist.org

Date: 2005-06-28, 3:49PM PDT

The following characters and animals are required for a shoot July 23rd, 24th and 25th. Please submit experience and headshot for each position. Those we are interested in will be contacted for an interview immediately. Pay varies with each position. You will be scheduled for shooting 1 day or half a day out of the 3 days shoot.

Here is a list of the following requirements:

CHARACTERS

White Athlete - needs to be in great shape. Should be a gymnast. Ability to walk on hands and do backflips easily. Height should be around 5'9" or less. Wide shoulders. Agile.

Hot Woman - should be stunning in the face and body. Perfectly proportioned. 36C, 26, 36 curvaceous figure. Long blonde hair or brunette hair. Should be sexy and able to move like a runway model. Dance experience helpful.

Ballerina - You know how to perform on point and are a natural Ballerina. Performance experience helpful.

Asian Woman - need an asian woman that knows the tea cerimony. Preferably real Japanese. If you have costume as well that would be great.

Very Large Man - Looking for a very heavy male. 350 lbs or more. Must be comfortable to perform in boxer shorts or less. Your body movement is being studied as are all the characters so it is important that you are comfortable in your own skin.

Old Man/Old Woman - Would like to find someone that has difficulty walking or moving due to old age. Crickety is the word. If you have arthritis or use a cane to walk around town to do your errands that is the type of person we are looking for. Again we are studying your movement.

Small Person - If your stature is under 4ft, even 3'6" then we would like to see you if you are a man or woman. Agility is crutial.

Kid 8 yrs old - girl or boy. Truly an eight year old kid that can take direction. No star babies please.

Basketball Player - looking for a hot dog player. One that almost Harlem Globetrotter moves.

ANIMALS

Dogs - professional, big sheepdog, weiner dog, must take direction really well and not be afraid of cro

President Bush is very right about all the things, and you love him, from all the polls and the news. So get over him.

AUDIO, PA's, EXTRA, STORYBOARD, STILL PHOTO 4 FEATURE JULY ASAP 3 WEEK

Reply to: closingtime_themovie@yahoo.com

Date: 2005-06-27, 7:34PM EDT

LAST CHANCE - LAST POST

VERY EXCITING professional feature film production seeking:

additional crew (AUDIO - experience important)
production assistants
interns (college credit possible)
extras for 2 scenes

STORYBOARD ARTIST - are you an artist and want the experience?

WEBSITE GRAPHIC DESIGN

professional STILL PHOTOGRAPHER

Please reply ASAP to: "closingtime_themovie@yahoo.com"

Professional, experienced cinematographer/gaffer/grip, editor, director/writer, and production management staff with award-winning credits and theatrical distribution experience.

WHEN: MID-JULY FOR 3 WEEKS

WHERE: LOWER FAIRFIELD COUNTY, CONNECTICUT (STAMFORD, GREENWICH, NORWALK, NEW MILFORD, WATERBURY, MILFORD)

INDIE CHARACTER-DRIVEN SUSPENSE THRILLER, VERY INTELLIGENT SCRIPT - all major roles cast, locations secured, major crew positions filled, schedules set....

Please contact us ASAP with full resume, details, experience, availability, etc ONLY SERIOUS CONSIDERATIONS PLEASE.

And if you happen to know how to raise a few more bucks, that's helpful too. But it's not the $ that makes the film, it's the people working on it. (Just ask Tom and Steven about War of the Worlds, if the rumors are true...)

Seeking Composer

Reply to: job-81390445@craigslist.org

Date: 2005-06-28, 11:43AM MDT

A small company has a need for a 4-5 minute montage of music. Sampling or original score needed.

Mac preferred but all canidates considered.

Compensation is 300 dollars.

* Compensation: 300 dollars

Linking Iraq with 9/11
With war worries growing, the president evokes the attacks of 2001 in a speech he hopes will rally support

BY CRAIG GORDON
WASHINGTON BUREAU

June 29, 2005

FORT BRAGG, N.C. -- In the past, when sagging polls have put President George W. Bush in trouble, he has invoked the event that shaped his presidency to confront critics and rally public support, the Sept. 11 attacks.

He did it again last night, wrapping the Iraq war in the mantle of 9/11 to reject calls for an exit timetable and appeal for patience from an increasingly skeptical public. Never forget "the lessons of September the 11th," Bush warned, or risk handing victory in Iraq to the likes of Osama bin Laden.

It was Bush's most direct and high-profile link between Iraq and Sept. 11 since winning re-election - and as usual, he failed to mention that the Sept. 11 commission found no credible evidence linking the former Iraqi government of Saddam Hussein and the 2001 terror attacks.

Instead, he invoked 9/11 to crystallize public support for what has become an open-ended conflict, much the way he asked the nation in the days after Sept. 11, 2001, to brace for a war-on-terror both global and generational in scope.

"Is the sacrifice worth it?" he asked an audience of 750 troops at an Army base here. "It is worth it and it is vital to the security of our country."

No retreat

LINK">http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usbush294323704jun29,0,7841602,print.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines">LINK

FILM OPEN CASTING

Reply to: job-81023809@craigslist.org

Date: 2005-06-27, 1:22PM MDT

Doritos Fresh Films Program is hosting an open casting for actors of all ages Sunday, July 17th. Registration begins at 11am and casting continues until 7pm. Call backs will be on July 18th. All levels of actors are welcome and SAG actors are encouraged to attend, this is SAG approved!

Facilities will be provided for creating headshots or please bring a headshot and resume.

Doritos Fresh Films Program promotes teen filmmakers, ages 14 -19, and brings industry professionals together with teens to tell their stories.

Additional information can be found at www.fresh-films.com

Location of Open Casting:
Wal*Mart
13420 Coal Mine Rd. in Littleton, CO.

* Compensation: Hired actors will receive pay in line with SAG negotiated rates

Linking Iraq with 9/11
With war worries growing, the president evokes the attacks of 2001 in a speech he hopes will rally support

BY CRAIG GORDON
WASHINGTON BUREAU

June 29, 2005

FORT BRAGG, N.C. -- In the past, when sagging polls have put President George W. Bush in trouble, he has invoked the event that shaped his presidency to confront critics and rally public support, the Sept. 11 attacks.

He did it again last night, wrapping the Iraq war in the mantle of 9/11 to reject calls for an exit timetable and appeal for patience from an increasingly skeptical public. Never forget "the lessons of September the 11th," Bush warned, or risk handing victory in Iraq to the likes of Osama bin Laden.

It was Bush's most direct and high-profile link between Iraq and Sept. 11 since winning re-election - and as usual, he failed to mention that the Sept. 11 commission found no credible evidence linking the former Iraqi government of Saddam Hussein and the 2001 terror attacks.

Instead, he invoked 9/11 to crystallize public support for what has become an open-ended conflict, much the way he asked the nation in the days after Sept. 11, 2001, to brace for a war-on-terror both global and generational in scope.

"Is the sacrifice worth it?" he asked an audience of 750 troops at an Army base here. "It is worth it and it is vital to the security of our country."

No retreat

LINK

FILM OPEN CASTING

Reply to: job-81023809@craigslist.org

Date: 2005-06-27, 1:22PM MDT

Doritos Fresh Films Program is hosting an open casting for actors of all ages Sunday, July 17th. Registration begins at 11am and casting continues until 7pm. Call backs will be on July 18th. All levels of actors are welcome and SAG actors are encouraged to attend, this is SAG approved!

Facilities will be provided for creating headshots or please bring a headshot and resume.

Doritos Fresh Films Program promotes teen filmmakers, ages 14 -19, and brings industry professionals together with teens to tell their stories.

Additional information can be found at www.fresh-films.com

Location of Open Casting:

al*Mart

13420 Coal Mine Rd. in Littleton, CO.

* Compensation: Hired actors will receive pay in line with SAG negotiated rates

FREELANCE VOICE OVER SPANISH RADIO OPPORTUNITY

Reply to: SPANISHLAUGHS@YAHOO.COM

Date: 2005-06-21, 10:57AM MDT

SEEKING PERSONALITIES WITH OR WITHOUT MEDIA EXPERIENCE TO PROVIDE VOICEOVER FOR DIFFERENT SPANISH RADIO STATIONS THROUGHOUT THE US. NOT SEEKING "PROFESSIONALS" BUT CHARACTER,PERSONALITY AND CONFIDENCE A MUST!
MOST JOBS TAKE NO LONGER THAN 10 MINUTES.
IF INTERESTED PLEASE EMAIL.

* Job location is TEXAS

* Compensation: $50

kill war dog

Posted by: Anonymous at June 29, 2005 10:55 AM

__________

Whoever is doing this, stop it please.

It's not funny.

It's not witty.

It's not insightful.

It's just an expression of impotent rage that can't find appropriate voice to articulate itself.

Try harder or stop it.

http://www.davidsirota.com/2005/06/vote-alert-congress-bars-nuclear.html

VOTE ALERT: Congress Bars Nuclear Subsidy to China

Reuters and the Associated Press both report that the House last night passed the bipartisan amendment prohibiting U.S. taxpayer subsidies from going to help build nuclear plants in China. The amendment, authored by Independent Congressman Bernie Sanders (VT), drew the support of 313 members of the House of Representatives - an overwhelming showing. For background on the amendment, see the earlier post linked below, or Lou Dobbs' interview with Sanders on the matter (transcript below). To see how your Member of Congress voted, go to http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll332.xml.

Notice how many "pro-national security" Republicans voted against this bill. Apparently to them, giving away taxpayer cash to wealthy corporations is more important than securing America.

This legislation follows the House passage of a bipartisan amendment a few weeks ago from Sanders that would reform the Patriot Act. Both of these bills show that with some creativity, progressives can forge new coalitions to press ahead with their agenda.

Stay tuned to see what the Senate does on both amendments - and whether the Republican leadership has the gall to strip out these measures in conference committee.

Sources:
Official roll call vote:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll332.xml
Reuters on the vote:
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N28419370.htm
AP on the vote:
http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/politics/12008733.htm
Dobbs' interview of Sanders about the legislation:
http://trans

LINK

Posted by: dr at June 29, 2005 11:10 AM

I totally agree!

Pathetic idiots are doing a lot of NIC stealing, too!

Those guys suck!

Dearest SYNA,

I count the hours until you wrap your loving arms around me and make me feel like a real man, for the first time in my life. Since we met online that day last Fall, my heart has gone all aflutter whenever I see your name. Until I feel your rigid heated manhood deep inside my secret places, I won't be able to rest or eat. We will consumate our union on my round purple shag coverlet draped foam love-futon, under the giant poster of our beloved President pasted to my ceiling. You'll enjoy the disco ball I have hanging from his lusty loins. Hee hee, it's so naughty. Come to your gallant stallion, my noble knight, mount me, and ride me onward to victory! Thrust into my mysteries with your bulbous shining lance of manhood, and make me your own. You are everything to me SYNA, and everything is you. I count the long hours with a sigh on my breath and an ache in my pants.

It's not funny.

It's not witty.

It's not insightful.

Posted by: dr at June 29, 2005 11:10 AM

It's also illegal. A direct threat "does" constitute harassment.

kill dr

You will not kill me.

It is illegal to kill me.

And my boyfriend Wart Hog will slayify you if you do kill me.

And you will go to jail.

So you should get a job and not kill me.

You are everything to me SYNA, and everything is you. I count the long hours with a sigh on my breath and an ache in my pants.

Posted by: War Dog at June 29, 2005 11:17 AM

I'm constantly amazed by how these so-called enlightened liberals try to insult people by calling them homosexuals.

Evidently, you think there is something wrong with being gay. I don't.

Posted by: SYNA at June 29, 2005 11:17 AM

You Better Run! Pat Benatar

Whatcha' tryin' a do to my heart?

Whatcha' tryin' a do to my heart?

You go around tellin' lies

And now you want to compromise

Whatcha' tryin' a do to my heart?

You Better Run! You Better Hide!

You better leave from my sight! Yeah

Whatcha' tryin' a do to my soul?

Whatcha' tryin' a do to my soul?

Well everything I had was yours

And now I'm closin' all the doors

Whatcha' tryin' a do to my soul?

You Better Run! You Better Hide!

You better leave from my sight! Yeah

I love you oh, I love you so

Can't you see it? Don't you know?

I can't stand your alibis

Your tellin' lies, you drive me wild! Yeah

I said, what are ya tryin' a do to my head?

Said, whatcha' tryin' a do to my head?

Well now I've gotta draw the line

Cause you ain't gonna take my mind!
W
hat are ya tryin' a do to my head?

You Better Run! You Better Hide!

You better leave from my sight!

You Better Run! You Better Hide!

You better leave from my sight!

Let me go! Yeah

I said go away, and leave me alone!

I can't stand you no more!

Written by: Felix cavaliere and Edward Brigati

please stop spamming the blog with craigslist postings

or at least find me a drummer

syna...get a job

Sorry, I was kidding.

Go ahead and kill me if you want.

well it happened.

all the bullshit about free speech and not kicking people out for being total trooly assholes has landed us with a blogfull of immature, trooly assholes.

sest lavee

"Come to your gallant stallion, my noble knight, mount me, and ride me onward to victory!"

LOL!

Posted by: ecrasez l'infame at June 29, 2005 11:26 AM

nu-uh, you are!

French people are totally gay because they are afraid of wars. And cheese fags.

(snickers!)

(our trolls are getting trolled, sheesh!)

(this has to be some kind of weird inversion)

(war dog transforms to peace puppy?)

(SYNA transforms to ANYS?)

(the mind boggles...)

I'm constantly amazed by how these so-called enlightened liberals try to insult people by calling them homosexuals.

Evidently, you think there is something wrong with being gay. I don't.

Posted by: SYNA at June 29, 2005 11:22 AM

___________

And I'm constantly amazed at how willing you are to equate a contemptible nick-stealing immature nitwit for a so-called "enlightened liberal".

You judge people by the worst among them, jumping to conclusions, not giving the benefit of the doubt, never once stopping to wonder: Is this contemptible nick-stealing nitwit someone "enlightened liberals" would be proud of?

Or is this just a reactionary nitwit?

Like SYNA, e.g.?

And by the same token, we have ample evidence of a reckless president endowed with unerringly bad judgment in office who "sane, rational moderates" like SYNA seem to want to make apologies for all day long.

No infamy by our war president is too great for SYNA not to find the silver lining of redemption.

So on the one hand we have some unknown nitwit posting on a message board who could be anyone -- this person SYNA equates with "enlightened liberalsim" and condemns.

(Cool! Set up straw man. Knock down straw man. My, what a clever fellow am I!)

And on the other hand, we have a nitwit war president who clearly doesn't know what he's doing, but the jury is still out on him according to SYNA, right?

That's what being a "sane, rational moderate" is all about!

pokey pokey poke...

does this bother you? I'm not touching you!?

what fun.

allo jim,

"in the absence of easy prey, the sharks turn on one another" - bloggie proverb

alo jajaja!

werd snorpy pooperbuts the lot of em!

OFFEN WIT DER HEADZEZZ!!!!

SCHNARP!

Posted by: toniD at June 29, 2005 11:12 AM

I think that amendment won't last. The chinese is burning money. The Russian and French are all over them like cheap whores. I wonder what Hitachi position will be.

GE is very desperate to get big contract, their financial is not so hot lately. They have been pumping a lot of 'nuclear is good and happy for our little planet ad' They need contract.

It's all about money.

Evidently, you think there is something wrong with being gay. I don't.

Posted by: SYNA at June 29, 2005 11:22 AM

Then why are you so enraged when called gay? lol. Shouldn't you just roll your eyes and move on instead?

on the net, it's called emotional probe my dear. You were being probe.

And on the other hand, we have a nitwit war president who clearly doesn't know what he's doing, but the jury is still out on him according to SYNA, right?

That's what being a "sane, rational moderate" is all about!

Posted by: dr at June 29, 2005 11:35 AM

If you've noticed, David, I tend not to talk about Iraq, as I have my doubts that it will work out. That said, I see no reason why I should undermine the effort just to prove that I was right.

But let me ask you, how are you so sure that it won't work out? Have you ever been to Iraq? Have you spoken to people on the ground?

You seem to have a crystal ball. If you do, can you give me tomorrow's results at Calder racetrack?

What if Wardog is right? Would you be man enough to admit that you were wrong? I would.

yupper,

"It's all about money."

(uh oh! squirl alert!)

Then why are you so enraged when called gay? lol. Shouldn't you just roll your eyes and move on instead?

on the net, it's called emotional probe my dear. You were being probe.

Posted by: wanda at June 29, 2005 11:45 AM

Who's enraged? Show me the post where I got angry about being called gay. You won't be able to find it.

For all your brains, Wanda, you're just not very perceptive.

The Plame case has grown more curious with each twist, and now begs answers to several basic questions:

• Why pressure Cooper and Miller, not Novak? The ruckus started with a Novak column that named Plame. Because it can be a crime for a government official to identify a covert agent, a special counsel was appointed. Two years later, Novak appears in no legal jeopardy. The high-profile conservative columnist is uncharacteristically mum. His lawyer won't comment.

The circumstances, at least on the surface, do not add up. If Novak gave up his source, then why isn't that source now the focus of the investigation? And if he didn't, why shift the pressure to the other reporters?

Cooper wrote about the matter days after Novak, and Miller never published a word.

• Why pressure Cooper and Miller, not Novak? The ruckus started with a Novak column that named Plame. Because it can be a crime for a government official to identify a covert agent, a special counsel was appointed. Two years later, Novak appears in no legal jeopardy. The high-profile conservative columnist is uncharacteristically mum. His lawyer won't comment.

The circumstances, at least on the surface, do not add up. If Novak gave up his source, then why isn't that source now the focus of the investigation? And if he didn't, why shift the pressure to the other reporters?

Cooper wrote about the matter days after Novak, and Miller never published a word.

•Was a crime committed? Doubtful, say lawyers Victoria Toensing and Bruce Sanford, who helped draft the law at the center of the controversy. For a leaker to be convicted, the prosecutor must show that he or she knew the government was trying to keep the agent's name secret. The law isn't meant to cover a "careless spilling of the beans," and certainly not reporters who receive leaks, the lawyers wrote in The Washington Post. At the time of the leak, Plame was working at CIA headquarters, not covertly in the field.

• Is the public served?<