FROST !!

whata day.

>:(

Pooches!

t o p i k

does the three hour delay effect my typing???

>:( or (:

you decide

ahhh spring

love is in the air

go get it kids

whata day.

>:(

Posted by: muck4doo at April 18, 2005 10:12 PM

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Did you find an uncomfortable position in the company?

whenever i have trouble sleeping, i just "massage" away the pain. thanks anyways

Man! I hate friggin' retail! Bein' the man blows!

All that "customer is always right" bullshit.

does the three hour delay effect my typing???

Posted by: lewis_stoole at April 18, 2005 10:15 PM

one of the effects of using affect improperly is to effect a homonym affectation

It's our own fault, of course. Allowing new CDs to be open, and all. It's so the customer can listen to anything. Unfortunately, it leaves doubt in their minds whether the CD came that way, scratched to hell; or their clumsy asses did it. And with a store full of fellow customers, I don'tneed that kind of stress.

one of the effects of using affect improperly is to effect a homonym affectation

Posted by: Anonymous at April 18, 2005 10:19 PM

are you mrs shrimplin? my third grade teacher??

one of the effects of using affect improperly is to effect a homonym affectation

Posted by: Anonymous at April 18, 2005 10:19 PM

cause and affects cause affects to cause trouble

one of the effects of using affect improperly is to effect a homonym affectation

Posted by: Anonymous at April 18, 2005 10:19 PM

One of the effects of me tastin the pipe is...well, you know! Ohhhhhh, I just heard thunder - time to crawl under the blankets :)

sure would be a shitty spring with no one to romp with

may you all have a romping partner

I think of all the education that I missed.

But then my homework was never quite like this.

Got it bad, got it bad, got it bad,

I’m hot for teacher.

I got it bad, so bad,

I’m hot for teacher.

are you mrs shrimplin? my third grade teacher??

Posted by: lewis_stoole at April 18, 2005 10:23 PM

you bet

now get on over here so i can paddle your ass till your stool comes lewis

Not to get us off on a sex tangent again .. but was listening to the show (on some arcane contraption called .. now what was it again.. OH YES!! A Radio!!!) earlier and heard Janeane mention "Glory Holes" ... and Sam say that most of the us would have no clue what that meant.... and .. just wanna chime in from ass backwards Middle-America ... yes .. some of us are familiar with the term and what they are used for!!

Lord .. you NYC folks!! Elitists!!!

Mucky MUCKY :)

yay. my day is now good.

#

Please sign in before blogging.

I’m hot for teacher.

Posted by: lulu lyric at April 18, 2005 10:25 PM

Hum ... well .. Lecturer atleast!!! ; )

What is the source energy behind telepathy? Pre-cognition? Genius creativity? What is the carrier wave on which paranormal intelligence information travels? How does one individual reliably and consistently tap into this current?

!

; )

//Did you find an uncomfortable position in the company?

Posted by: Crank Bait at April 18, 2005 10:18 PM
//

more sponsibiltees same pay. same ole corporate america.

just wanna chime in from ass backwards Middle-America ... yes .. some of us are familiar with the term and what they are used for!!

Lord .. you NYC folks!! Elitists!!!

Posted by: Willow at April 18, 2005 10:26 PM

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Pentecostal punishment pits?

I want you to think of the best time you have ever had in your life........Got it?

Now, multiply that experience, that feeling, times ten. Multiply it times a hundred, or a thousand. Or ten thousand. Or even more.

You can turn on increased creativity, intelligence, pleasure, even ESP and other paranormal abilities as easily as clicking on a light switch. You can have "the best day of your life" over and over, each time better than the last. You may even be able to move clouds and change the weather using the incredible power of your own human infinity machine- your brain.

That is exactly what you will experience- no exaggeration in the least- when you learn how to self-stimulate a part of your brain know as the amygdala. This is not wishful thinking or new-age hocus-pocus. This is what the latest brain and behavior research is now showing us is possible........for anyone. The method for amygdala self-stimulation is easy, and has been learned by persons ages 6 to 86. The basic method can be learned and taught by anyone, for free. It is democratic in the extreme. You are getting started by reading this article. Results are often immediate, and are accumulative- it gets better the more you do it. Unlike stage magic, this is no illusion. This is real brain magic.

Posted by: Anonymous at April 18, 2005 10:28 PM

Hellooooo. You didn't sign iiiiiiiiinnnnnnn.

:)

Hey Willow; that's kind of a touchy subject 'round these parts. All sorts of Adult Clubs, Glory Hole spots in Portland. Right-wing freaks are "out"ting patrons; kinda like the weirdos who take pictures outside PornShops, of the patrons' liscense plates. Then they try and contact wives, girlfriends, etc.

People are in fear of losing jobs over these outtings.

Those Republifreaks want a camera in YOUR bedroom too!

tylenol pm??? i just gave the secret "cure-all" for a fast pain relieving sleep remedy which won't cost you $800 for a new mattress (or is that with one "t"--anonymous, a little help)

Self-amygdala stimulation without electrodes can be performed by using the brain's capacity for guided imagery.

For example, by simply imagining that you are tickling the front part of each amygdala with a feather, you change the flow of electro-chemical activity in the brain- and voila! This clicks the amygdala forward, if only temporarily.

Posted by: slap-a-ho at April 18, 2005 10:33 PM

Are you selling something? Let me go get my checkbook.

Hey slap-a-ho

What if you aren't ticklish?

Are we doing Retro 90's? (wow isn't it too soon?)
Here is the soundtract than ...

Aerobic Jonquil: modern electronic. Brain Stomach

http://magnatune.com/genres/electronica/

want you to think of the best time you have ever had in your life........Got it?

Now, multiply that experience, that feeling, times ten. Multiply it times a hundred, or a thousand. Or ten thousand. Or even more.

You can turn on increased creativity, intelligence, pleasure, even ESP and other paranormal abilities as easily as clicking on a light switch. You can have "the best day of your life" over and over, each time better than the last. You may even be able to move clouds and change the weather using the incredible power of your own human infinity machine- your brain.

That is exactly what you will experience- no exaggeration in the least- when you learn how to self-stimulate a part of your brain know as the amygdala. This is not wishful thinking or new-age hocus-pocus. This is what the latest brain and behavior research is now showing us is possible........for anyone. The method for amygdala self-stimulation is easy, and has been learned by persons ages 6 to 86. The basic method can be learned and taught by anyone, for free. It is democratic in the extreme. You are getting started by reading this article. Results are often immediate, and are accumulative- it gets better the more you do it. Unlike stage magic, this is no illusion. This is real brain magic.

Posted by: slap-a-ho at April 18, 2005 10:30 PM

i want brain magic! where to get brain magic?

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Posted by: slap-a-ho at April 18, 2005 10:30 PM

You do know how to turn a girl on slap-a-ho. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdala

Located in the brain's medial temporal lobe, the almond-shaped amygdala (in Latin, corpus amygdaloideum) is believed to play a key role in the emotions. It forms part of the limbic system. In humans and other animals, it is linked to both fear responses and pleasure. Conditions such as anxiety, autism, depression, narcolepsy, post-traumatic stress disorder, and phobias are suspected of being linked to abnormal functioning of the amygdala owing to damage, developmental problems, or neurotransmitter imbalance.

Are you selling something? Let me go get my checkbook.

Posted by: 880ex at April 18, 2005 10:35 PM

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I think it's the Amygdala Lama.

Glory hole is for glass blowing.

What is the source energy behind telepathy? Pre-cognition? Genius creativity? What is the carrier wave on which paranormal intelligence information travels? How does one individual reliably and consistently tap into this current?

Posted by: Anonymous at April 18, 2005 10:28 PM
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again, please refer to my isomniac's cure-all, it is one of the forgotten medical arts from the turn-of-the-last century

What is the source energy behind telepathy?

wire-taps
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Pre-cognition?

waking up

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Genius creativity?

a strong cup of coffee and a really good morning shit

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What is the carrier wave on which paranormal intelligence information travels?

UPS

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How does one individual reliably and consistently tap into this current?

Posted by: Anonymous at April 18, 2005 10:28 PM

get a tracking number

when you learn how to self-stimulate a part of your brain know as the amygdala.

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yes! this is exactly what i am talking about (about which i am talking...)

glory hole a slap-a-ho would know. : ]

The College of Cardinals using new touch screen technology voting machines have just finished voting. According to the count, George W. Bush won.

www.kingwatch.blogspot.com

Science Fact: Your "reptile" brain (see Dormant Brain Lab) is that area of your human brain that computes aggressive, counter attack behaviors, i.e. "I'm gonna get that person and make them pay!" This part of your brain is not able to access higher paranormal abilities which are computed entirely in another part of the human brain, the frontal lobes. Genetic intelligence has placed these advanced abilities under "cosmic lock and key" as it were. A safe deposit box. Cookies that are out of reach of a toddler on a high shelf. How? It is built into the system......

If a person were to use telepathy to cause harm to another, that same telepathy would insure the evil doer to empathically feel the other person's pain as well. Ouch!

If a person were to use pre-cognition to cause harm to another, that same pre-cognition would cause the evil doer to instantly see the future karmic repercussions of his actions against himself. Yikes! (Karmic Law has been around for a while, and I didn't make it up.)

If a person were to use telekinetic energy to harm another, Newton's law still works: every action has an opposite and equal reaction. The evil doer would get an instant good reactive kick in the pants or worse. Umph!

Not too many people would deliberately put their own fingers in the fire and hold them there.

Glory hole is for glass blowing.

Posted by: slap-a-ho at April 18, 2005 10:37 PM

: D - LOL!! Glass Blowing!!! Hum ... and what is "Hand Blown Glass" .. and is that even possible???

The part of the human brain that computes self-centered, attack, harm, and kill actions is the reptile brain, the most basic and "dumbest" part of the brain (Your "Little" Mind). The part of the brain that computes intricate paranormal abilities is the advanced intelligence frontal lobes ( THE "Big" Mind). Paranormal abilities are highly complex skilled activities, like driving a car (but even more sophisticated). A person trying to control complex paranormal abilities with his self-centered dumb reptile brain is like a 5 year old kid trying to drive a five speed Ferrari. A little kid might accidentally be able to start the car, run over a couple of people, but by fifty yards he'll crash it into a fire hydrant and it'll be all over. He certainly couldn't go on a hundred mile trip down the interstate.

Only sensitive, socially super-conscious, "we're in this together" frontal lobe intelligence can utilize complex paranormal neurocircuits. These egoless, multi-person community neuro-circuits operate on multi-person multi-event energy, not from puny selfish self-centered single person energy. If you want to access The Big Super Conscious Mind, you have to think of everyone! Duh!

Its a big community pot! Are you gonna hog it all yourself! No way! Negative primitive voodoo works only if the victim believes in it and knows about it. Otherwise, it serves only to vent the practitioner's frustration. Insane Experiment: Make or get a voodoo doll, for someone you want to harm. Don't tell them. Stick pins in it. What happens to them? What happens to you? Please don't poke yourself in the eye

is mike malloy secretly the laugh behind ernie from sesame street?

Get Down!!!

How are we to know a customer didn't just buy a new CD to take home and copy quickly; to return it.
"Oh, those scratches? Yeah, it came that way. New. It skips now. Gimme my money back."

I hesitate.

"What, you callin' me a liar!?!"

Screw it. It ain't worth the $30. Get outta my store.

Not too many people would deliberately put their own fingers in the fire and hold them there.

Posted by: slap-a-ho at April 18, 2005 10:41 PM

OK. I put my checkbook back in the drawer. Maybe another time....or, I gave at the office.

: D - LOL!! Glass Blowing!!! Hum ... and what is "Hand Blown Glass" .. and is that even possible???

Posted by: Willow at April 18, 2005 10:42 PM

Yes hand blown glass. You get a big gob of hot glass on the end of I think metal tube and hold it in the glory hole till it becomes moltin and then you blow it into a shape. I have never performed this talent but I have watch peeps who have. and the call the hole with the fire burning inside a GLORY HOLE.

Sorry, just unloading on the generally unawares public...

I thought a glory hole was what you found in the back seat of a car on a dark night.

OK. I put my checkbook back in the drawer. Maybe another time....or, I gave at the office.

Posted by: 880ex at April 18, 2005 10:45 PM

I could take your money 880ex but it would not be the correct thing to do. I try to give not sell.

I thought a glory hole was what you found in the back seat of a car on a dark night.

Posted by: Spike at April 18, 2005 10:46 PM

spike I sport a Glory hole everyday! : ]

God, to be seventeen again.

I thought a glory hole was what you found in the back seat of a car on a dark night.

Posted by: Spike at April 18, 2005 10:46 PM

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and you can see paradise by the dashboard light

thats interesting about the amygalea glands.
i had no idea. now, just figure out how to simulate them without drugs. must be a way.

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~~~ God, to be seventeen again. ~~~

He is?

The Meatloaf was delicious if I remember correctly.

thats interesting about the amygalea glands. i had no idea. now, just figure out how to simulate them without drugs. must be a way.

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Posted by: Anonymous at April 18, 2005 10:50 PM

q-tip.

thats interesting about the amygalea glands. i had no idea. now, just figure out how to simulate them without drugs. must be a way.

Posted by: Anonymous at April 18, 2005 10:50 PM

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prodding it with a pointy stick works

Sorry, just unloading on the generally unawares public...

Posted by: harold at April 18, 2005 10:45 PM

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no problem

your wares just caught him unawares

Get Down!!!

Posted by: Spike at April 18, 2005 10:43 PM

As in ... the Ahnold Action Movie use of the phrase "Get Down!!! That bomb is gonna blow!!" ??

or ....

As in .... the Kool and the Gang disco use of the phrase "Get Down" ... Get down on it, get down on it, get down on it, get down on it!!"

or ..

As in .... How you might scream out to a child or a pet teeting on the brink of disaster use of the phrase "Get Down!!! ... Dammit Fluffy!!!"

Just wanna understand your meaning correctly!! : )

Street Fighting Man.

wow. two people at once insulting me. should i be
offended? nah. i am going to use my amygalea gland and tune it out. ahh. peace.

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~~~ thats interesting about the amygalea glands. i had no idea. now, just figure out how to simulate them without drugs. must be a way. ~~~

Lets see..... oh!

Drugs!

No... you said without drugs...

*Fish twists his mouth up trying to thunk hard*

I got nuthin...

thats interesting about the amygalea glands. i had no idea. now, just figure out how to simulate them without drugs. must be a way.

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Posted by: Anonymous at April 18, 2005 10:50 PM

Yes there is a type of massage that you can have done called Cranial Sacral Therapy.

actually the most outspoken hooker is not doing a very good job of hookin'

must be a way.

#

Posted by: Anonymous at April 18, 2005 10:50 PM

I find that I can get high if someone plays with my hair! Or .. describes the downfall of the Bush Administration in exact detail!!! ; D - LOL!!!

What magic enforced this center of calm in the midst of a wildly crazy day? Cranial sacral therapy, a gentle form of energy work practiced with a very light touch on a fully clothed and reclining client.

Cranial sacral therapy focuses on the cerebrospinal fluid, which is produced and absorbed by the body on a regular rhythmical basis. Here's how it works: inside your cranium, there is a membrane called the dura mater that adheres to the bone. Beneath the dura mater, before the next layer of membrane, is cerebrospinal fluid. Similarly, in the spine, there is the bone of the vertebra, a layer of membrane within the vertebra and then cerebrospinal fluid before the next layer of membrane. In both places, the cranium and the spine, there is a total of three layers of membrane between bone and the brain or spinal cord.

Cranial sacral therapists believe that irregularities, or glitches, in the regular flow of the cerebrospinal fluid that lubricates these membranes can cause difficulties for parts of the body related to the area where the glitch is. It's as if the skeletal system is one of those magic drawing boards that has some kind of liquid beneath a layer of plastic; if that layer dries out, the system is useless. So cranial sacral therapists will examine the body of a client for indications of problems and will use the weight of the head while holding their hands beneath it, as well as a hand beneath the sacrum (the last three vertebrae fused into one bone just above the coccyx or tailbone) to improve the flow of the cerebrospinal fluid. The process of examining for glitches involves very light touch and testing the range of motion of the limbs.

The Meatloaf was delicious if I remember correctly.

Posted by: Spike at April 18, 2005 10:51 PM

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the whole point of those backseat rumbles, if i remember them right, was in not letting your Meatloaf

I think it's the Amygdala Lama.

Posted by: Crank Bait at April 18, 2005 10:37 PM

I like fried amygdala. yumm...

~~~ I find that I can get high if someone plays with my hair! ~~~

I admire people who got... hair. So we're alike like that!

wow. two people at once insulting me.

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Posted by: Anonymous at April 18, 2005 10:53 PM

oh? sorry. quartz crystal. pretty one.

what is with this hoooker talk? before last nite
i never thought as miss anne as a hooker. Miss Anne is not a hooker. Hookers do not have husbands. Well, they do, but more than one.

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actually the most outspoken hooker is not doing a very good job of hookin'

Posted by: lewis_stoole at April 18, 2005 10:54 PM

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not bloody likely

I am not really into Meatloaf or Frank-N-Furters. Too much meat for my taste.

what is with this hoooker talk? before last nite i never thought as miss anne as a hooker. Miss Anne is not a hooker. Hookers do not have husbands. Well, they do, but more than one.

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Posted by: Anonymous at April 18, 2005 10:56 PM

cuckold is the word. i know it well. oh too well.

This girl is awesome...

The Airs of Wales by Cheryl Ann Fulton (streaming only, download is payola)

http://magnatune.com/artists/fulton

I am more of an Hot Apple Pie kind of guy.

thank you so much Stoole. i just typed cuckold
into the google search engine and got a bunch of
porn.

#

Fluffy!!!"
Posted by: Willow at April 18, 2005 10:52 PM

I had a cat once named "fluffy"...until it grew so old, and couldn't groom itself anymore, I renamed it saddlebags/saddlecat. One day it just walked out the cat door and died in the middle of the yard. We were having a party that night (outdoors) so my mom took the dead cat and threw it into a plumb thicket - except the dog brought it back. So then, she made us kids put it in a box and bury it - I marked the site with a little cross.

Go Spike! Any Meat is too much!

Once a person clicks backwards into egotistical, selfish, or destructive reptile brain behaviors, he shuts off the forward flow of energy into the egoless community frontal lobes skills. When a person thinks "me me me" he blocks out the rest of the universe, where all the telepathic, future-telling information is to start with! Water and oil don't mix. You can't walk forward and backward at the same time. Pick one.

leave Miss Anne alone, please. please.
In fact, can we try not picking on anyone here?
I wouldn't mind that at all.
#

~~~ i just typed cuckold into the google search engine and got a bunch of porn ~~~

You can type "socket wrench" into the google search engine and get a bunch of porn.

Posted by: 880ex at April 18, 2005 11:00 PM

Ok - only about half that story was true...but the rest was a lot of fun for me to write :) I think I should prolly go to bed - feelin a little too goofy!

thank you so much Stoole. i just typed cuckold into the google search engine and got a bunch of porn.

Posted by: Anonymous at April 18, 2005 10:59 PM

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that doesn't happen when i do it.
oh...i typed into the dictionary. no porn there;
but i like your search method better.

http://a420.v8383d.c8383.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/42...

Technically .. a cuckold is a husband who's wife has cheated on him ...

Welcome to New Orleans and that is not a lady you are talking to.

what do they call men who have cheated on their
wives?

#

President?

You can type "socket wrench" into the google search engine and get a bunch of porn.

Posted by: Fishgrease at April 18, 2005 11:01 PM

thanks for the tip. the more ambiguously pornographic words, the better for my search engine. saddlebags seems to work too.

what do they call me who have cheated on their wives?

satisfied

~~~ Technically .. a cuckold is a husband who's wife has cheated on him ~~~

No Willow... that is a "Whining Loser"

you've got mail! : ]

So that is the reason I can't get no satisfaction.

Ain't worth the risk of winding up in an ashtray in my case.

~~~ what do they call men who have cheated on their wives? ~~~

Husbands

what do they call men who have cheated on their wives?

#

Posted by: Anonymous at April 18, 2005 11:06 PM

Assholes!

Welcome to New Orleans and that is not a lady you are talking to.

Posted by: Spike at April 18, 2005 11:04 PM

: D - LOL!!! OH LORD!!!!

~~~ what do they call men who have cheated on their wives? ~~~

Husbands

Posted by: Fishgrease at April 18, 2005 11:10 PM

buwhaahhahahaha

thanks fishy

#

the communist bastard...you said it, not me...

what do they call men who have cheated on their wives?

#

Posted by: Anonymous at April 18, 2005 11:06 PM

infidels?

no, that can't be right.

:/

women cheat as much as men

men have a hard time believing that

they're with their friends

sure they are

leave Miss Anne alone, please. please. In fact, can we try not picking on anyone here? I wouldn't mind that at all. #

Posted by: Anonymous at April 18, 2005 11:01 PM

Oh .. if were only that easy my dear! : / Typed til my fingers bled the last time this BS started up ... and it did not good what so ever ... also suggested simply ignoring posters who annoy you .. also worked to the sum of ZERO!

~~~ men have a hard time believing that

~~~ they're with their friends

Yep. They're just fucking their friends.

With a few women I have been with I thanked God if they would have cheated on me.

Please, take her. Here is twenty dollars and a six pack, Good luck and please make sure I get my Led Zepllen albums back. Thanks Mate.

Or ... no good!! Can we get a blog with spell check please?? I am tired of looking like an idiot!

who is being picked on by whom?

You pull tha car around and I will pack up her shit.

also suggested simply ignoring posters who annoy you .. also worked to the sum of ZERO!

Posted by: Willow at April 18, 2005 11:15 PM

i am going to work on my amygalea. then i will bounce negativity off of me like i have a super
mega force field around me! i will be superwoman!

#

If a guy says his wife is a slut... one of two things may be true...

1) His wife is a slut.

2) He is a whining loser who needs to remember he didn't marry his mommy.

Most of the time, its number 2.

Oh yea, all she owns is that Stevie Nicks crap she is wearing.

What if I throw in a pizza with that beer?

you got that right Spike

once they start going to bed early

"they're tired"

call it a day

Yep. They're just fucking their friends.

Posted by: Fishgrease at April 18, 2005 11:16 PM

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for a friendly fuck

makes the insipid sitcom seem a little more interesting to think that joey was cornholing ross and rachel was lapping the track on phoebe

if there was any justice in this world, the last idiotic episode by all rights should have been one huge 6-way friends fuck-fest roman orgy

tryin sneek outta here. hope yalls had a good day. :)

I put some new photos up on my web site. got a pic of me and mini acting like the idiots we are.

I'm telling ya # CranioSacral Therapy works like you would not believe. : ]

~~~ the last idiotic episode by all rights should have been one huge 6-way friends fuck-fest roman orgy ~~~

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

~~~ I put some new photos up on my web site. ~~~

Where dat is?

Good night MUCKY, I never get enough time with you.

peace to you Muck. : ]

Where dat is?

Posted by: Fishgrease at April 18, 2005 11:23 PM

Ok fish but do you know that it is me? : ]

tryin sneek outta here. hope yalls had a good day. :)

Posted by: muck4doo at April 18, 2005 11:22 PM

you too muck

appreciate your stuff

funny how they can't get enough of you until you marry them

like a fucking switch going off

enough of that

onward and upward

i guess i will have to find someone to rub my head. like every twenty minutes.

#

No # it only takes a couple of times!

you can see all kinds of really pretty colors. It is the weirdest trip you've ever been on! I swear to dog!

http://a420.v8383d.c8383.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/420/8383/3b858b51/mtvrd...

bye MuckyDoo.:) I hope things get at least tolerable. Once I get this amygalea stuff down, I send force fields to your work.

#

~~~ Ok fish but do you know that it is me? : ] ~~~

Who dat say "who dat" when I say "who dat"?

I don't know who you are. I've got personalized fonts turned off.

Or fonts turn me off... or something.

The thing is to avoid getting married until you have found the right person. I was always perfectly clear with the common laws. I was not going to marry them, if they didn't like it they could call it a day. They didn't really want to marry me either. It was love at first sight with the wife for the both of us. I have always told her that if she found someone who she wanted more than me then please tell me and I would get the fuck out of her way. I aint happened yet.

No # it only takes a couple of times!

you can see all kinds of really pretty colors. It is the weirdest trip you've ever been on! I swear to dog!

Posted by: slap-a-ho at April 18, 2005 11:28 PM

and then you are just set for life? bad things don't bring you down as much?

#

Just peeled a huge grapefuit!

LOVE these things!

Now mash it all up and mix it with Vodka and drink it out of the core. Great for starting off the day.

here ya go fishyman

http://a420.v8383d.c8383.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/420/8383/3b858b51/mtvrd...

too many people get married just to be married

it's a fatal mistake

you know when you're in love

The thing is to avoid getting married until you have found the right person. I was always perfectly clear with the common laws. I was not going to marry them, if they didn't like it they could call it a day. They didn't really want to marry me either. It was love at first sight with the wife for the both of us. I have always told her that if she found someone who she wanted more than me then please tell me and I would get the fuck out of her way. I aint happened yet.

Posted by: Spike at April 18, 2005 11:31 PM

How noble. But I got the feeling yer gonna whine alot instead.

you know when you're in love

Posted by: Anonymous at April 18, 2005 11:38 PM

Yes .. that's what I told one of my boyfriends wives .. but she just kept hitting me!

too many people get married just to be married

it's a fatal mistake

you know when you're in love

Posted by: Anonymous at April 18, 2005 11:38 PM

this is getting big AMEN from me.

i have not met anyone who I would marry, or who
would marry me since my son's father. and he was
just turning out to be so great.

#

It is just me, but I have always thought that living with someone for at least a year is a good way to find out if it will last. If after a year you still want to get married gourd head. Long engagements also a good idea. Marriage is like suicide, don’t make any quick decisions.

Being married is the last thing I wanted at the time.

But I couldn't resist.

That's how I KNEW it was the right person for me.

Naw, I aint never cried over spilled pussy in my life.

Yes .. that's what I told one of my boyfriends wives .. but she just kept hitting me!

Posted by: Willow at April 18, 2005 11:40 PM

HAHAHAHAHA!

It is just me, but I have always thought that living with someone for at least a year is a good way to find out if it will last. If after a year you still want to get married gourd head. Long engagements also a good idea. Marriage is like suicide, don’t make any quick decisions.

Posted by: Spike at April 18, 2005 11:41 PM

this is also true! very, very, very, very true.

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Spike gets an A

Naw, I aint never cried over spilled pussy in my life.

Posted by: Spike at April 18, 2005 11:42 PM

man reaches your age and he ain't never had his heart broke either can't know love or ain't never really been in it

or is just yipping big on the front porch

Naw, I aint never cried over spilled pussy in my life.

Posted by: Spike at April 18, 2005 11:42 PM

************************

Spike, you misspelled milk

~~~ Yes .. that's what I told one of my boyfriends wives .. but she just kept hitting me! ~~~

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

The only thing I ever really cried about is spilled beer and wet cigarettes.

Again, the Being of Light told me it was my choice to stay or go, but that there was more for me to do in that life and it wasn't quite time for me to leave. Still hesitating, I was told that if I chose to go back, I would be given certain knowledge to take back with me to share with others. After much discussion, I agreed to go back and suddenly found myself in front of a tall cone-shaped building; so tall, it seemed to go on forever. I was told this was the Hall of Knowledge. I entered the building and flew, spiraling upwards, through what appeared to be shelves of books, like in a library, many millions of books, and I flew through them all. When I reached the top, I burst through it into a kaleidoscope of colors and, at the same time, my head popped out of the water. I was down river about 10 yards from the raft.

http://stream.paranode.com/imc/atlanta/...

Spike is probably one of those really good looking men who is getting to pick and choose. Still, he has the whole relationship thing worked out.

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He ain't never had his heart broke.

What are you saying?

I am a Saints fan. My heart gets broke every year.

I think sometimes people get married out of some really deeply feeling of being noble. Well .... we've put so much time into this .. and sure .. we aren't passionately in love .. but we are such good friends .. and isn't that what marriage really is anyway?? A really great friendship ..?

Then you start to miss the passion .. you hate your friends when they are out having great sex and telling you all about it .. and eventually you realize nobility is shit. ... IMHO.

I am a Saints fan. My heart gets broke every year.

Posted by: Spike at April 18, 2005 11:49 PM

fair enough

some perennials are evergreen

Spike is probably one of those really good looking men who is getting to pick and choose.

I actually look like something a cat chewed up and spit out. I have never understood the generosity of women, but why question.

i thinking NEVER again:) and then i'm okay w it.

So far NEVER again has worked out ok.

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Spike is probably one of those really good looking men who is getting to pick and choose. Still, he has the whole relationship thing worked out.

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Posted by: Anonymous at April 18, 2005 11:48 PM

can i try that fantasy on for size, too?

Cynical Blog

or they get married because they're bored

seen that happen

you have to have passion

there's no point otherwise

it's easy to keep the passion once you have it

Flesh for Fantasy.

Billy's Idol.

......I was told this was the Hall of Knowledge. I entered the building and flew, spiraling upwards, through what appeared to be shelves of books, like in a library, many millions of books....

Posted by: slap-a-ho at April 18, 2005 11:47 PM

This is how much of a Geek I truly am!! If there is a Heaven .. and I go there .. this is my idea of Heaven .. on big assed Reference Library!! How much of a freak am I !?!?! : /

Check your emailie in a bit .. have a message from a long lost blogger for you.....

I think I love that Earth Day song... It sounds like a Right Wingers nightmare.

Can you imagine if Limbaugh or one of his dittoheads had a kid and he or she came home singing that?

Paul McCartney is going back out of tour. We are going to go to Atlanta to see him in Sept. Saw him twice on his last tour. Great show.

Um... What is a cardio-vascular standpoint?

I didn't know adjectives had "standpoints".

Check your emailie in a bit .. have a message from a long lost blogger for you.....

Posted by: Wil at April 18, 2005 11:56 PM

I miss so many long lost bloggers!

MIA or should they be MIB (missing in blog)?

.. you hate your friends when they are out having great sex and telling you all about it .. and eventually you realize nobility is shit. ... IMHO.

Posted by: Cynical Blog Marriage Counselor at April 18, 2005 11:50 PM

you still talk to your friends?

Dear God I'm such a nerd...

Some people are working backstage,

some are playing in the orchestra,

some are on-stage singing,

some are in the audience as critics,

some are there to learn from the experience.

Know who and where you are.

Flesh for Fantasy.

Billy's Idol.

Posted by: Spike at April 18, 2005 11:55 PM

Oh. Spike... Now you've done it ya little dickens...I don't care how short Billy is...♥

Theres a change in pace

of fantasy and taste

Do you like good music?

Do you like to dance?

Hangin out for a body shop at night

ain't it strange what we do to feel alright, oh
yeah

so

when will you call

i'm experienced, oh yeah

Face to face

and back to back

you see and feel my sex attack

SING IT

Flesh

flesh for fantasy

we want

flesh

flesh for fantasy

its after midnight

are you feelin alright?

turn out the light babe

are you someone else tonight?

Billy Idol is coming to the House of Blues sometime real soon. He sold out in nothing flat. I cannot believe I am going to miss that show.

who is slap a ho?

Listening to westcoast broadcast and just heard the part about RICK SANTORUM'S FETUS RITUAL.

Now I'm a lefty, but I don't consider something this bizarre as something folks should be able to do within the realm of freedom and privacy and the liberal stuff we appreciate. Traumatizing children with a corpse borders on child abuse to me (am I the only one who remembers the trauma in that split personality movie (sheesh I'm tired, so was it 'Three Faces of Eve"? Or the Sally Fields' movie? Anyway, the title character was traumatized when forced to kiss a dead relative 'good bye' in the its casket.) I consider this a risky practice and highly questionable way for an adult to treat children.

As part of a community, I don't like the idea that everybody would take the option (which I understand exists) of bringing their dead home. I wonder, how would the County Health Department keep up with where all the corpses are and whether or not they are properly buried or cremated? It's macabre for sure; but I have a hunch it also would be a terrible health risk. What if the deceased had, say, hepatitis or some other contagious problem, possibly undiagnosed. This Santorum Ritual seems to me the type of thing that could catch on among those without a proper respect, understanding, or belief(!) in basic biology or science and the importance of sanitary practices....

So creepy child abuse and creepy health risks--those are my first impressions for questioning this kind of SANTORUM FETUS RITUAL. Being a Liberal doesn't mean I forget about my part in what it takes to keep a community healthy and its children cared for.

Meg how is the kitty with one eye doing? : ]

This is from chapter three of Anthony Trollope's novel LADY ANNA:

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[Anna's mother:] "He admitted that his son was no fitting intimate for Lady Anna Lovel.”

[Anna:] “What should we have done without him [his son]?”

“Badly indeed; but that cannot change his duty, or ours. He is helping us to struggle for that which is our own; but he would mar his generosity if he put a taint on that which he is endeavouring to restore to us.”

“Put a taint, mamma!”

“Yes — a taint would rest upon your rank if you as Lady Anna Lovel were familiar with Daniel Thwaite as with an equal. His father understands it, and will speak to him.”

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I'd love to see him again.

I was SO right up front when I saw his concert the one time I did...tha 80's...weeee...! :)

This is how much of a Geek I truly am!! If there is a Heaven .. and I go there .. this is my idea of Heaven .. on big assed Reference Library!! How much of a freak am I !?!?! : /

Posted by: Wil at April 18, 2005 11:56 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akashic_Records

If prayer is talking to God, then meditation is listening to God.

Um... What is a cardio-vascular standpoint?

I didn't know adjectives had "standpoints".

Posted by: Meg at April 19, 2005 12:00 AM

This ad irks me because NSAIDS don't have to kill a person via heart problems since they usually kill users first by digestive tract hemorrhage.

Paul

http://www.pollstar.com/tour/searchall.pl?By=Artist&Content=Paul+McCartney+&go_green.x=12&go_green.y=14

or Billy

http://www.pollstar.com/tour/searchall.pl?Content=A-BILIDO&Date_From=Today&Date_To=04-18-2007&By=Artist&PSKey=Y&StartSearch.x=20&StartSearch.y=6

my idea of heaven is everyone being nice to each
other. thats it. not very complex. and i don't think it can even happen here.

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i meant 'here' as on earth. :)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akashic_Records

It's my lucky night right.. or what? :)

http://jubal.westnet.com/hyperdiscordia/akashic_records.html

In (at least one piece of) Buddhist literature, the Akashic Records are also known as ``nature's memory.'' According to Kerrie Mercel's Spiritual Dictionary, it contains the story of every person's lives (past and future) as well as ``a record of all events that pertain to the earth plane.'' The Morgan's Tarot gets a bit closer, stating that ``The Akashic Records contain the entire cosmic drama in all its dimensions, including the future and the past. The records are available to the psyche of the reader and various portions of them can be tapped. For further information,'' it concludes in a bizarrely apt manner, ``please consult the head librarian located somewhere in the main library.''

i meant 'here' as on earth. :)

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Posted by: Anonymous at April 19, 2005 12:11 AM

I knew what you meant! peeps are getting worse and worse. trying to out mean each other.

Getting very old and very cold!

If prayer is talking to God, then meditation is listening to God.

Posted by: slap-a-ho at April 19, 2005 12:08 AM

I always liked that one slap. : )

My idea of heaven would be a pub with the Clash opening up for the Sex Pistols. A never ending supply of Guinness and Foosball.

one, slap.

Are We There Yet?

If you suddenly find there has been a drastic change from one moment to the next, as could happen with sudden death, but you still feel alive though everything around you seems familiar but different, try to touch something-- if your hand goes through it, you are dead-- or having an NDE! Immediately call out the name of someone close to you who has already died. . . if you see them before you, you will know. Everything around you may seem the same-- and it is, only that you're experiencing it in a different way. That's the main difference between life and death. One of the problems. . . in between lives is familiarity and the apparent ordinariness of the situation. (10)

When you notice you are observing your body from somewhere above your body, you realize that even though you are no longer part of that body, you can see and hear and are conscious of everything that is going in around it. You find that if you think about a loved one or about being some place special, you will suddenly be with that person or in that place. To your dismay, you find that people cannot hear you, do not even know you are present; that you are able to pass through solid walls; that the physical world no longer exists for you and you no longer exist for it. When you recognize that you are indeed dead, you may choose to say silent good-byes to your loved ones-- if it occurs to you that you may do so. If you are unable to accept that you have died or to let go of emotional ties to the physical world, you may wander aimlessly between two worlds; unable to get back into one, unwilling to go into the next.

Such cool shit!

Williamson: Instrumental electronic space pop
A few things to hear before we all blow up play

http://magnatune.com/artists/williamson

everyone being nice to eachother

you're right,it can't happen here

everyone has his or her own agenda

sad really

sometimes people are just nice to get what they want from you

a very sad agenda

You know, a large part of that Santorum fetus thing is not surprising to me. I have a friend whose wife lost a baby in much the same way. The difference was that the birth happened at home, before they could get to the hospital. It was at about five months as well. My friend buried the baby before they went to the hospital.

Now this guy isn't especially weirdo, they were just in a tremendous amount of grief and shock. Grief and shock can make people do bizarre things.

But taking the baby home for the kids to play with... That's nuts. That is beyond the realm of grief and shock. Had my friend's daughter been delivered at the hospital, I don't think he would have done the same thing (even though they would not have been able to have a funeral, my guess is they would have had her creamated).

I sort of understand letting the kids see the baby, though I doubt I would have done that myself, unless they were old enough to understand what was going on and therefore in need of closure. I don't know how old Santorum's kids were at the time, but I had the impression that they were very young.

The guy is truly nuts. I have no love for him at all. But I do understand the grief and shock thing. However, I think the hospital should have stopped them from taking the baby home.

Can you imagne that Library of the that fariy castle?

OOOOOOO! I would love to shrink down and visit that library!

I miss so many long lost bloggers!

MIA or should they be MIB (missing in blog)?

Posted by: slap-a-ho at April 19, 2005 12:00 AM

I like M*I*B .. we could keep a log!! Record our lost bloggers in arms! And .. check your emailie... ; )

I have not totally heard the story.

They took the dead baby home in a jar of something for the kids to play with?

I knew what you meant! peeps are getting worse and worse. trying to out mean each other.

Getting very old and very cold!

Posted by: slap-a-ho at April 19, 2005 12:12 AM

yah! and whats worse is it is catching. its like you have to be absolutely rude to get anything done. ?!? people like it when you are mean or something. but. i hate it. meaness destroys. it
breaks down. it corrodes.

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I like M*I*B .. we could keep a log!! Record our lost bloggers in arms! And .. check your emailie... ; )

Posted by: Wil at April 19, 2005 12:16 AM

OH yes, lets do! I can remember so many! M*I*B it is! I have checked my emailie and nothing so far. i will check again. Main emaile or auxillary emailie?

yah! and whats worse is it is catching. its like you have to be absolutely rude to get anything done. ?!? people like it when you are mean or something. but. i hate it. meaness destroys. it breaks down. it corrodes.

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Posted by: Anonymous at April 19, 2005 12:17 AM

Oh I so know what you mean!!! I was telling husbot the other day. SHIT dude I'm becoming the peeps i hate just to get by. I mean just to surive you have to take on the persona of a DICK! I hate that shit!

I knew what you meant! peeps are getting worse and worse. trying to out mean each other.

Things are getting wierd out there. We went over to the West Bank today to get some chicken wire and the people were out of control. We live in the Garden District were we are civil under the worse conditions so we were not used to it. It wasn't like I was wearing my Johnny Rotten for Pope t-shirt or anything. My wife looks totally middle class preppy white girl, at least when she wants to, and I was fairly clean cut so it cant be the punk thing. Hate is just in the air.

Nora, I don't think a corpse with hepatitis would be allowed out of the hospital.

Slap a ho, Patrick the One Eyed Kitty is trying to keep me from blogging by laying in front of the keyboard. He's just fine and dandy.

Now, who are you really?

Posted by: slap-a-ho at April 19, 2005 12:18 AM

One eerliy similar to your picture site ... if that helps! Not sure which one that is fer ya .. the one I am sending from is my main.

Now, who are you really?

Posted by: Meg at April 19, 2005 12:21 AM

She is the blog's ethreal Blog Aunt!!

10/4 good buddy!

slap-a-ho reads you loud and clear!

tell the loved one for me that I do so miss him!
and he'd better email me I hope we don't just miss each other! : / I get all squishy around him! : ]

Three Faces of Eve was the one where she was forced to kiss a corpse.

Cybil was the Sally Field movie where she had all these different personalities. I never saw it so I don't know what caused it. Abuse maybe.

Oh I so know what you mean!!! I was telling husbot the other day. SHIT dude I'm becoming the peeps i hate just to get by. I mean just to surive you have to take on the persona of a DICK! I hate that shit!

Posted by: slap-a-ho at April 19, 2005 12:20 AM

#
YES Exactly, Miss Anne. You have to be a MEAN and
grrr...and leave me Alone or I will hurt you!
I hate it. I like to be open, I like to be trusting. If someone does something weird, you just stay away from them. Thats not good enough anymore. You have to always be on the defensive.

Very interesting, Meg, and brings up another public health risk--the problem of people burying bodies all over the place and possibly tainting the water supplies. Our cultural practices are an evolving thing, and many aspects have changed for good reasons. I consider the SANTORUM FETUS RITUAL more in the column of devolution of cultural practices like so much the Rapturerites do.

After making poosts about blow jobs and eleven year old kids and other crap, and then after someone says they let their daughter read the blog, posting even more vile crap on purpose, and then saying someone should report tha person for child abuse for reading the sex stuff you posted, no wonder you had to change your nic.

hola aka.... how ya bein???...

Okay well, I have to go. Gnite!

I have been alive 13ben.

how goes it by you?

tell the loved one for me that I do so miss him! and he'd better email me I hope we don't just miss each other! : / I get all squishy around him! : ]

Posted by: akaMAT at April 19, 2005 12:26 AM

Just sent him your post via IM .. so he will know!! ; )

Oh ya, we were talking about blow jobs.

Man we have digressed. Now what is the glory hole again?

night Meg Sorry for the confusion.

glad to hear kitty is doing well.

I'm slap-a-ho. It's a new nic I was trying out.

its been tight but its been strong and good.... so did ya move up to the willamette valley???...

Uh ... any IT wizards out there .. can anyone tell me if it is a good thing all my icons on the top bar (like the ones that say "Back" "Forward" ..etc.)just went black!?!?!

Goodnight Meg. I am glad Pirate Kitten is doing well. Give em our love!!!

I doubt a dead fetus would threaten the water supply any more than a dead dog. But it is just a little... weird.

However, legally a fetus is not a person. Now if you wanted to bury Grandmaw in the back yard you might run into some legal issues. But a fetus, no. My friend's daughter is still buried in that yard as far as I know. The house was forclosed so he had to move.

Man we have digressed. Now what is the glory hole again?

Posted by: Spike at April 19, 2005 12:33 AM

it's for glass blowing!

Or backseats of cars!

akaMat

you're great

one of the most honest people I've ever had the honor to read

Actually I may be back in a bit.

Later

I never saw it so I don't know what caused it. Abuse maybe.

Posted by: Meg at April 19, 2005 12:26 AM

That would be it in a nutshell Meg. : /

Good Night!! And Sweet Dreams!!!

So Man Dog's wife buried it in the back yard. At least she didn't keep it in a jar by the door.

its been tight but its been strong and good.... so did ya move up to the willamette valley???...

Posted by: 13ben at April 19, 2005 12:34 AM

not yet, and it looks like we might be going further than that. Husbot got a gig in Portland. so we have the house ready for sale sign and we are making the plans. how about you? Have you move to CR yet?

Later, Meg

one of the most honest people I've ever had the honor to read

Posted by: Anonymous at April 19, 2005 12:36 AM

why thank you Anonymous! I have always liked you too! : ]

Spike, no it was someone I knew that buried the fetus in the back yard.

I don't know what the Sanitorium family did with theirs.

Uh ... any IT wizards out there .. can anyone tell me if it is a good thing all my icons on the top bar (like the ones that say "Back" "Forward" ..etc.)just went black!?!?!

Posted by: Wil at April 19, 2005 12:34 AM

which browser are you using Wil?

we're going back down in a few weeks, but we're not planning the complete move until about a year from now......

Thanks Meg,

Man we have digressed. Now what is the glory hole again?

Posted by: Spike at April 19, 2005 12:33 AM

it's for glass blowing!

Or backseats of cars!

Posted by: slap-a-MAT at April 19, 2005 12:35 AM

Or ... ********ADULT CONTENT!!!!!! CHILDREN BEWARE AND LOOK AWAY!!!!!!************

A hole bored out of the side of a stall in a Men's Loo .... I will let you guess why ....

Spike, no it was someone I knew that buried the fetus in the back yard.

I don't know what the Sanitorium family did with theirs.

Posted by: Meg at April 19, 2005 12:40 AM

WHAAAA? A human FETUS? HOLY CRAP!!!

which browser are you using Wil?

Posted by: slap-a-MAT at April 19, 2005 12:41 AM

The Evil Facist Gates one ... I know!! I am bad!! But .. Mozilla is soooooo slow on my machine! IE is just easier .. The icons light up if I run the mouse over them .. if that helps??!?!?? : /

A hole bored out of the side of a stall in a Men's Loo .... I will let you guess why ....

Posted by: Wil at April 19, 2005 12:41 AM

ever here the story about the guy that sued WD40?

Seems he tried using it on a knothole in somewood...

I was talking to a friend who frequented such places a few years ago. I said: you know that it is men behind that wall. He said: Not in my mind.

So I guess it is all in the eye of the beholder so to speak. Still, way to freaky even for me.

Posted by: Wil at April 19, 2005 12:43 AM

Try closing it out and reopening it. just for shits and giggles not sure if it will work!

Spike, no it was someone I knew that buried the fetus in the back yard.

I don't know what the Sanitorium family did with theirs.

Posted by: Meg at April 19, 2005 12:40 AM

WHAAAA? A human FETUS? HOLY CRAP!!!

Posted by: slap-a-MAT at April 19, 2005 12:42 AM

A big I SECOND!!!!! here!! Dear God!! : /

Don't tell me to stop

Tell the rain not to drop

Tell the wind not to blow

'Cause you said so, mmm

Tell the sun not to shine

Not to get up this time, no, no

Let it fall by the way

But don't leave me where I lay down

Tell me love isn't true

It's just something that we do

Tell me everything I'm not

But please don't tell me to stop

But don't ever tell me to stop

Tell the leaves not to turn

But don't ever tell me I'll learn, no, no

Take the black off a crow

But don't tell me I have to go

Tell the bed not to lay

Like the open mouth of a grave, yeah

Not to stare up at me

Like a calf down on its knees

Tell me love isn't true

It's just something that we do

Tell me everything I'm not

But please don't tell me to stop

But don't ever tell me to stop

Please don't

Please don't

Please don't tell me to stop

Don't you ever

Don't ever tell me to stop

Tell the rain not to drop

Tell the bed not to lay

Like a open mouth of a grave, yeah

Not to stare up at me

Like a calf down on its knees

My concerns are about public health. And what people do within the rules and how the rules are obeyed or enforced. Now, it seems it's legal to bring one's deceased home for a funeral service without ever dealing with an undertaker or his services. I start questioning what happens when the Rapturites all start bringing home their dead like SANTORUM? Do the Public Health Departments in the community have the manpower or framework to make sure those corpses end up properly disposed of and not buried in basements or put in dumpsters or whatever. I guess my squeamishness in showing. About the hospital not releasing a corpse that's dangerous from a disease standpoint (oops there's that word), I don't know how such things are decided.

we're going back down in a few weeks, but we're not planning the complete move until about a year from now......

Posted by: 13ben at April 19, 2005 12:41 AM

we have been feeling like we might have missed the boat! The house down the block is up for sale and has been up for two weeks. Houses around here go fast! I don't know where peeps are getting the money to buy the house out here! IT's fucking CRAZY!

we have been feeling like we might have missed the boat! The house down the block is up for sale and has been up for two weeks. Houses around here go fast! I don't know where peeps are getting the money to buy the house out here! IT's fucking CRAZY!

Posted by: slap-a-MAT at April 19, 2005 12:48 AM

Maybe peeps aren't buying them! maybe its ROBO_FEDS! And they will live there and watch everyone!

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You must be my Lucky Star

'Cause you shine on me wherever you are

I just think of you and I start to glow

And I need your light

And baby you know

Chorus:

Starlight, starbright first star I see tonight

Starlight, [starbright] make everything all right

Starlight, starbright first star I see tonight

Starlight, [starbright] yeah

You must be my Lucky Star

'Cause you make the darkness seem so far

And when I'm lost you'll be my guide

I just turn around and you're by my side

(chorus)

Come on shine your heavenly body tonight

'Cause I know you're gonna make everything all
right

You may be my lucky star

But I'm the luckiest by far!

: ]

my dream is to sell my place to a republican

take their money

say thanks

sucker

God, I hope that they something better to do than watch me. They must be bored out of their minds. I hope they like Buffy DVDs and the finer points of house work.

WHAAAA? A human FETUS? HOLY CRAP!!!

Posted by: slap-a-MAT at April 19, 2005 12:42 AM

you know, It'll be interesting to see what's in Santorum head one day. This is also the guy who say something about having sex with a turtle.

I am not sure if this guy is sane.

Maybe peeps aren't buying them! maybe its ROBO_FEDS! And they will live there and watch everyone!

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Posted by: Anonymous at April 19, 2005 12:49 AM

No doubt! My neigbor is so shitty to his wife! he treats her like a slave. He yells horrilbe things at her. And then I hear her laughing. I think she is a FEMBOT! like stepford!

Like a virgin

Touched for the very first time

Like a virgin

When your heart beats

Next to mine

Like a virgin, ooh, ooh

Like a virgin

Feels so good inside

hee. i was kidding. but maybe they are buying out
the houses to build whose knows what for the rich people in California.
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I am not sure if this guy is sane.

Posted by: wanda at April 19, 2005 12:52 AM

wanda! the guy is not sane! I can just look at him and see is aura is crazy! punched full of holes!

So I guess it is all in the eye of the beholder so to speak. Still, way to freaky even for me.

Posted by: Spike at April 19, 2005 12:44 AM

Guess straight guys might use them if they knew a woman's mouth was at the other end .. but ...that might be too much information.....

It worked Miss Anne!! All my icons are back from Santorum's backyard!!

http://www.sacred-texts.com/tarot/pkt/tn/ar06.jpg

http://www.sacred-texts.com/tarot/pkt/tn/ar05.jpg

http://www.sacred-texts.com/tarot/pkt/tn/ar21.jpg

http://www.sacred-texts.com/tarot/pkt/tn/ar21.jpg

yeah!

Wil with Windows when in doubt just reboot!

eya gang

lovely evening out here

just took the doggers fer a walk

was out in the shop most of the day

looks purty mellow here right now

i would suggest you never stick anything through a hole if you don't know what's on the other side :)

Hi Jimmy! I got the fool card! i always get the
fool card:)

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Peacefull at the momment Sunny J.

Nice when the blog is full of love. : ]

well. technically we all got the fool card.

:)

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Well, that was what I was trying to tell him. He would have none of it.

He was sure that Bo Derek was behind that wall. I assured him he would be lucky if it was the lead singer from the Violent Femmes. He is probably out there right now looking for a hole in a wall to stick little elvis into.

a hole in a wall to stick little elvis into.

Posted by: Spike at April 19, 2005 01:00 AM

little elvis! LOL!

hee hee!

# datchu connie?

ya like i was tellin ya

don't respond to flamers

does'nt prove anything

just keeps the

conflict

going.

In Secret, Cardinals Begin Their plotting to Choose a Pope.

I have taken to writing out the headlines the way I really see them.

well. normally thats true, Sunny. And normally that works. but. well. I am going to treat it
all normally. I suppose.

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what do those Cardinals wear under those robes

what do those Cardinals wear under those robes

Posted by: Anonymous at April 19, 2005 01:05 AM

I'm not sure and they burn a lot of insence to get rid of the pot smell!

I always heard that Cardinals were a sign of good luck, but I guess not for alter boys.

I like the red robes of the spanish Inquistion of Monty Pyton!

well theres always

hope that folk'll wake up

and see they're being stolen blind.

the hate thing aka is a measure of how successful

the effort to keep peeps from respecting each

other has been. when peeps are scared they

get paranoid. also it takes skill to get

along. most life skills not taught

in the kinds of curriculums

we have around us. that

was what encouraged

tune in, drop out

movement in the

hippie 60's.

I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquistion.

but I guess not for the alter boys

i guess that's why they wear they flaming red

Well, I was frustrated by the taint debate, but good comes of everything and now I feel TAINT is a VERY powerful word. And made to describe George W. Bush and minions. A taint, for sure.

Pure Anti-American Unadulterated Corporate Communism

'Monday Night Football' Moving to ESPN

NEW YORK (AP) -- The NFL's ''Monday Night Football,'' a hallmark of television sports programming since the days of Howard Cosell, is leaving ABC after 35 years for ESPN starting with the 2006 season.

Taint .... Glory Holes ... Dear God!!!

: D - LOL!!!

Oh Lulu!

Goodn!

Hi Kevin. How you been?

#

when peeps are scared they get paranoid

truer words never spoken

you have to face your fears

move forward

always move forward

Taint .... Glory Holes ... Dear God!!!

: D - LOL!!!

Posted by: Wil at April 19, 2005 01:13 AM

Taint no big Thing to stick it in a glory hole!

Taint no big Thing to stick it in a hole

depends how big that Thing is

lol

# I put a picture up of the chocolate chunky mountains near my sista's house in AZ. Check it out when you get a chance.

my picture site

Oh, so the Bush Death Cult would rather have young people brainwashed against safe sex (so they won't even think about chanting "Make love, not war" like we did in the 60s) and prefer to stay home and play with corpses. Weird bunch.

G'nite.

Hi Kevin. How you been?

#

Fine and real busy, how are doing #?

depends how big that Thing is

lol

Posted by: Anonymous at April 19, 2005 01:19 AM

there is always WD40 and plumbers dope!

That has to be the weirdest thing I have heard of a dude doing!

Goodnight Nora.

So Dog Man's kids played dress up with the dead fetus?

I'm the Hated Milk Machine

Everybody hates me now

For doing what I'm told

He was trying to be bold

Why can't people keep their willies out of holes?

-- Song, sung by Bob Odenkirk in a Mr Show skit which included Jack Black. The skit was about a traveling salesman (David Cross) who visits a farmer and has to stay in the barn... there are holes in the wall... the farmer has a daughter... and so on... when singing the song, Odenkirk has a silver painted face kinda like Tin Man in Oz... he is the final part of the joke... the Milk Machine.

Good Night, Nora

Im good. :)

#

I should find some stuff to post and make myself
useful.

plumbers dope!

That has to be the weirdest thing I have heard of a dude doing!

Posted by: slap-a-MAT at April 19, 2005 01:21 AM

That won't work, that would make things worse.

Then the glassblower will blow through the pipe again and expand the piece more. If the glass has gotten too cool to work properly then it can be held in the glory hole, which is kept at about 2500 degrees Fahrenheit, until it is reheated.

I have to hit the hay peeps.

thanks for a plesent evening! It was nice visiting with you all!

I hope your peacefull night continues!

That has to be the weirdest thing I have heard of a dude doing!

now I know why the RotoZip was invented

Im good. :)

#

I should find some stuff to post and make myself useful.

Posted by: Anonymous at April 19, 2005 01:26 AM

:-)

~~~ plumbers dope! ~~~

~~~ That won't work, that would make things worse.
~~~

Why do you think they call it dope?

Goodnight Matt,

I hope your peacefull night continues!

Posted by: slap-a-MAT at April 19, 2005 01:27 AM

If things go awry, I am just going to start talking about sex in great detail. ;)

Why do you think they call it dope?

Posted by: Fishgrease at April 19, 2005 01:28 AM

News the dope could have used before he tried it! : ]

Night xoxoxo!

See ya akaMat

If you smoked enough dope you wont have to go around sticking little elvis into pine board.

Goodnight Miss Anne!

Love the new pics! :)

The Mike Webb Show is on Live, you have to use their stream link, no more realplayer stream.

LINK

Click on where it says Live News.

Listen to your Uncle Spike.

Smoke the dope and leave your willies in your pants and out of the holes in the mens room. Save it for the real thing. You will thank me latter.

[looks at his watch]

Buhahahahahaha

So what is the real issue behind gay marriage?

I'm at work.

In a little while, I have to go out and put the flag at half mast.

Our little town lost two firefighters today.

4 apartments went up... I guess these guys were on the roof... which gave in

Fairly small Wyoming town... all volunteer fire department

One of the guys killed was young... 22

He had just gotten married over Spring Break to a girl who teaches English up at the High School

The apartments are near here -- I drove by it all on my way to work... flashing lights... the town's one bucket truck at work

They waved me around

So here in a little while Ima goin out and put the flag at half mast

Sorry to hear that Fish, God bless them, their families, and your entire community. Let me know if they are setting up somekind of trust fund or if there is anyway that I can help.

So what is the real issue behind gay marriage?

Posted by: Spike at April 19, 2005 01:36 AM
There is a particular gene that produces sociopathic behavior...This is the addiction gene or the thrill seeking gene...

The effects of this gene are low nervous system response and low dopamine release...

This means they experience life very very black and white...dull in fact...They need to do "bad" things to get excited...to enjoy life...

Extreme cases progress to ever more extreme bad things...

They've got to hate gays to they can get off on it.

Hey. Has anyone seen JimHMcNair? He's my safety
buddy.

#

~~~ Let me know if they are setting up somekind of trust fund or if there is anyway that I can help. ~~~

Thanks... I doubt there will be. I imagine there'll be an investigation. The apartments were completely ablaze... nothing alive in there. Why were these guys on the roof? That young English teacher needs to know.

ya

been working on a goodbye to my ol trapper frend.

gonna have his dotter read it to em tomorrow

he can still hear and respond but he can't

talk anymore, just points and winks. )

care to read it?

Sure, Jim. I would like to hear it.

Thanks... I doubt there will be. I imagine there'll be an investigation. The apartments were completely ablaze... nothing alive in there. Why were these guys on the roof? That young English teacher needs to know.

Posted by: Fishgrease at April 19, 2005 01:41 AM

did they guys on the roof start the fire?

all volunteer fire department

One of the guys killed was young... 22

sorry to hear this.

Taint no big Thing to stick it in a glory hole!

Posted by: slap-a-MAT at April 19, 2005 01:17 AM

: D - LOL!!

Sorry fer the delay .. PC went more wonky on me!! But .. all better now!!

Hi,

the girls wanted me to write up a little something for them.

I'd really appreciate it if you could read this to Jimmy while he's still here.

gimme a call i'd like to be there when you read it to him. i'd read it to him myself but

the phone line is so bad, it would keep breaking up, read it slowly, gracefully and take your time.

thanks, Jim Sofra ; )

Monday April 18, 2005

604 864 9649

sofrajones@telus.net

5th rewrite

*************************************

Good bye Jimmy La Rose

"A friend might well be reckoned the masterpiece of nature."

Ralph Waldo Emerson

Eya Jimmy, it's me, Jim Sofra, bonjour mon ami!

It pains me to write a goodbye to you my friend, though we both know that this is just one more ticket punch for the next interesting experience. But all of us that live must die and we both know enough about living not to begrudge putting our bodies back where they came from. This is something we have always shared, a reverence and appreciation for life.

And a good life we have shared eh? We've had a lot of good coffee, cribbage and talk together, and many great adventures exploring our little parts of the planet.

I'm looking at that coffee cup you sent me with the beaver in the dentist chair as i write this and remembering how much fun we both had when you told me about that replacement tooth you made for yourself. You did a superb job of making that temporary tooth out of that beaver tusk my friend and you were always a superb craftsman. When ever I see a pair of pliers or a fan I think of you whittling away on those miniature pliers or a gorgeous cedar fan with a knife that had been sharpened so many times the blade was as small as a toothpick, while grinning and looking at me over the top of your "Up Close" glasses.

I remember those home made checks for the "Garbage Disposal Pirates", and laughing with you as we made them, you relating the whole farce to me as we worked on them. You stepped lightly on the planet Jimmy and I'm sure she'll miss you. Theres not too many people in Canada that can pay their trash bill with the one can they had'nt allready

- recycled that year, flattened, painted neatly and made into an elegant check!

Some people in a persons life always bring joy along with them when they visit and you my friend are that joy personified. People around you were always smiling along with you. Watching you charm them was as much fun as being charmed by you personally, and you are a charming person Jimmy LaRose.

What I remember is the sound of your voice, that wonderfuly french accented english and your beautiful french.. I remember how much fun it was learning to trap and make pelt with you and the marvelous truck rides you, me and Odie made back into the bush running your trap line.

I remember that picture of you and that bear you adopted as a young strong logger, it standing next to you, and you both smiling.

I remember many good games of cribbage and how pleased I would be, win or lose, to be able to play with you on that superb cribbage board you used, after one of your fine dinners .

I remember the beaver stew fondly as well as the dumplings!

I remember the sounds you would get out of your old truck oogah horn and hearing it outside the shop when you went by at dawn, your way of saying "bonjour ami, i'll see you when I get back from the trap line, and we'll enjoy some of that fine coffee together".

I remember a thousand kindnesses and being able to return a few.

I remember how much Odie loved you, that magical Queen Charlotte Bush Dog that adopted me, and how I would always know it was your truck pulling up to the shop, because Odie would never bark, but just walk up to the door and wait for you to enter, tail wagging like it always did for an old friend.

By the way, when you get to where you're going, say hi to Odie for me and give him an ear scritch. Tell him I love him and miss him. He'll take good care of you I'm sure, and show you around.

Well ol timer, pretty soon you're gonna be off for another experience and it'll be a while before we can drink coffee and shoot the breeze in person. Feel free to drop by anytime though and I'll be listening for yer voice in my heart. I'll help the kids as much as I can, and I'll let everyone know that you went

Cripes!! Missed Miss Anne heading out too!!

Good Night, Miss Anne!! Sweet Dreams!!!

out with a lotta class.

Barbara sends her love as well, she's sad, she loves you, and hates to say goodbye.

I love you too my old friend, I'll catch up with you in a while, so save me a seat!

Vaya con dios, Go with god,

Your Friend,

Jim Sofra

He's my safety buddy.

#

Posted by: Anonymous at April 19, 2005 01:40 AM

LOL, how does that work on a blog?

That was beautiful Jim. There is a lot of love there.

~~~ did they guys on the roof start the fire? ~~~

No... they were the firefighters who died. I don't know what started the fire. I've heard a crack lab... but one hears lots of stuff ya know.

Jim, that was beautiful.

People are lucky just to know ABOUT you or of you
Jim. Really. You are remarkable. Smart and Kind.
a rare combination.

#

Your Friend,

Jim Sofra

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at April 19, 2005 01:49 AM

Hey S J

Got anymore picts?

So here in a little while Ima goin out and put the flag at half mast

Posted by: Fishgrease at April 19, 2005 01:37 AM

Dear God - Fish!

Please let us know if there will be some place we can send condolences and if there will be a donation fund. : (

sheesh FG

gotta admire the firemen

just went down to volunteer at my firehall last week

scused me while I step out to don my waders...

after the 10,000 round up last friday we exchanged
phone numbers, and that way if one of us disapears
the other one has to find out why.

His job may be easier than mine, because he has
a life. i'm always here justabout.

yah. erm. I think everyone on here should get a
safety buddy who is wise to the neocons. cause
they could just take you and lie to your family
about what happened or whatever. imagine. 10,000
people just imprisoned. and they were all criminals.
#

i meant to put 'criminals' in parathensise.

#

eya Kevin

good evening to ya!

ya i got a few more up last night

some are me and KP and a few more of Jimmy

http://www3.telus.net/Art-Adventures/Jimmy%20LaRose/

~~~ sheesh FG

~~~ gotta admire the firemen

Oh I do very much admire them.

I also know that sometimes some know-nothing shithead is put in charge of brave men and those men die when they shouldn't have. In that sort of case, the entire community is to blame for allowing the shithead to remain in charge.

Firefighter deaths like this in small towns are rare... for a reason. No reason anyone should die attending a small apartment fire. Its not "one of those things" ... which is the first thing folks will start saying. Its one of those things where someone fucked up and someone else died. Its one of THOSE things.

eya

thanks fer the compliments gang,

i been lucky, made a lot of changes

and had a lot, a surrealistic amount

of help from my frends. i guess the

main thing is to keep in mind

that what goes around

comes around.

yah. erm. I think everyone on here should get a safety buddy who is wise to the neocons. cause they could just take you and lie to your family about what happened or whatever. imagine. 10,000 people just imprisoned. and they were all criminals. #

Posted by: Anonymous at April 19, 2005 02:00 AM

Okay, now I understand. I didn't keep up with the news so I missed that story, heard a blip on the news but wasn't paying attention. 10,000 people is a small town.

karma is a bitch...

Specially when you think you're the one that owns the karma bank.

Okay, now I understand. I didn't keep up with the news so I missed that story, heard a blip on the news but wasn't paying attention. 10,000 people is a small town.

Posted by: Kevin at April 19, 2005 02:10 AM

it wasn't widely distrubuted. I heard about it on
Malloy's show and it really freaked me out.

what could 10,000 being doing wrong at once?
i mean if they aren't government employees.
#

main thing is to keep in mind

that what goes around

comes around.

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at April 19, 2005 02:08 AM

Amen, Jim!

: )

Here is to good men, God knows there are few left.

and god only knows which ones they are because mortals are poor judges.

A Friend is a Treasure
A friend is someone we turn to,
when our spirits need a lift.
A friend is someone we treasure,
for our friendship is a gift.
A friend is someone who fills our lives,
with beauty, joy and grace.
And make the world we live in,
a better and happier place.

LINK

#

ya spike, theres quite a few,

the next rounds on me...

Oh My!!!!!

April 18, 2005 at 11:54 PM

Moussaoui offers to plead guilty

WASHINGTON, D.C. - Accused Al-Qaida conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui has offered to plead guilty to charges carrying a possible death penalty, and could do so within days if a judge finds him to be mentally competent, a source familiar with the case said Monday night.

But U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema of Alexandria, Va., doesn't know whether to take the offer seriously and plans to hold a secret hearing this week to evaluate Moussaoui's competency and whether he fully understands what a guilty plea would mean, the source said.

A 36-year-old Frenchman of Moroccan descent with a penchant for hurling invectives at nearly every party in the case, Moussaoui flirted in open court with pleading guilty in July 2002. But he backed away when it was made clear that he would be admitting to having joined in the Sept. 11 plot.

The source said Moussaoui for a second time expressed his intent to plead guilty, over the objections of his court-appointed defense lawyers, in recent letters to prosecutors and Brinkema.

Most guilty pleas follow a negotiated agreement between prosecutors and defense lawyers, but Moussaoui broached the idea of a plea without any bargaining, the source said. Federal prosecutors have shown no sign that they would be willing to drop their demands for the death penalty.

If Brinkema were to accept Moussaoui's plea, she presumably then would schedule a death penalty trial. It's unclear whether Moussaoui would have any right to appeal the outcome.

Full Story: http://www.startribune.com/stories/1576/5355767.html

hrm...

Moussaoui, who was arrested in the Twin Cities 3½ weeks before the Sept. 11 terror attacks after raising suspicions while seeking flight training, is the only person currently facing a U.S. trial related to the suicide hijackings.

but i thought it was all such a shock and no one
had any idea about the attacks.

#

Because it's really easy to make people believe things are true...you just say it enough times and presto...they start believing it...asking questions and verifying your beliefs is always harder so it's the last thing any intellectually lazy uncaring or just flat unconcerned with justice sort of person would do.

Consider how the media convicts people long before they're ever tried...

Consider how even when they are later found innocent you still tend to believe what teh media said at some point...

Do you do these things for logical reasons?

No, You do out of emotional reactionalism...

You do it on faith...faith defies all logic reason and truth...and is the most persistant because it's impossible to reason with a feeling.

Faith will kick your ass if you fuck with her.

Okay, now I understand. I didn't keep up with the news so I missed that story, heard a blip on the news but wasn't paying attention. 10,000 people is a small town.

Posted by: Kevin at April 19, 2005 02:10 AM

it wasn't widely distrubuted. I heard about it on Malloy's show and it really freaked me out.

what could 10,000 being doing wrong at once? i mean if they aren't government employees. #

Posted by: Anonymous at April 19, 2005 02:16 AM

Took me awhile .. but I did find the story!!!

It was called Operation Falcon .. http://www.klastv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3213521&nav=168YYioy

None of you have seen the evidence of the michael jackson trial but you've already decided...

As embarassing as it is that you've even paid that much attention you know that it's true.

You do the same thing every day over and aver. Because it's not fun to really test your ideas. It's not comfortable.

It's understandable though...If you're on a desert island and one guys says...We're almost out of food and the other one says we've got plenty...who do you want to believe?

Well that depends on your philosophy doesn't it?

On the one hand you can feel good and do nothing and on the other you can hear the alarm bells, deal with the unpleasantness and get busy finding another food source...

Simple analogy perhaps but it's always easier to believe a lie delivered by a friendly face than it ever is the truth from any other.

When you're trying to figure out your feelings, it might help to remember something that happened and think about how it made you feel. Then you can say, "I feel sad when my friend doesn't play with me" or "I feel angry when my brother always wins at baseball." This can help you figure out your own feelings. It also gives the person you're talking with more information about what's bothering you.

LINK

#

Could care less about the Michael Jackson trial. Really none of my concern. That is between him and the State of California.

Faith is just another form of escapism...A liar that would fill your head with happy thoughts and your belly full of air.

Do preach on about how I'm to be be punished for talking down to the mistress of the lie...

Faith is not a lie. She is from the North East.

Denying the anology does not destroy the point.

Ya gotta be such a fuckwit?

She is not an analogy; she may have been a metaphor.

No I don't.

I have never known a Faith, Spike.

Is she nice?

#

Well that kind of depends on your point of view. She is sort of nice, but kind of blunt.

Those snap judgements...Those gut feelings...How many times have they really steered you truly?...How may times did the nice guy or girl turn out to be a user?...Whoa you tell yourself...They seemed so nice at first..I dunno wtf went wrong...Boy was I fooled...Then the next thing you know you fall for it all over again...

Because you're not thinking critically...

Harmony is attractive, but kind of dumb.

I am thinking rather critically now.

I know a Joy. And she really is a Joy.

#

I am thinking rather critically now.

Posted by: Spike at April 19, 2005 02:54 AM

RONTFL...

okay have a good nite :)

bye bloggie!

I know a Joyce, but she is nothing like that Irish guy.

How many times out of habit o you buy at a particular store when you know it's just as easy and cheaper somewhere else?...All sense would tell you that you're acting illogically and yet you do it anyway...Why?...What resource are you conserving by this behavior?

I know an Angel, but he is rather a poof who does not like people touching his hair. He can be rather protective when he is not a psycho killer.

It was called Operation Falcon .. http://www.klastv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3213521&nav=168YYioy

Posted by: Wil at April 19, 2005 02:41 AM

thank you for this Wil. will watch @ home, altho
i am not sure i want to hear the local garabage
about the story. shudder.

#

Hey Jim

I see you have a favorite hat, like I always wear my Pittsburgh Steelers hats. :)

This pict looks like a NLWU biker bud of mine "Norm".

http://www3.telus.net/Art-Adventures/Jimmy%20LaRose/LastKP.jpg

Something you don't see around here anymore are these kind of paint booths, California won't let you filter like that.

Nice paint job on the computer. :)

http://www3.telus.net/Art-Adventures/Jimmy%20LaRose/1stHotRodcomp.jpg

Nice Picts Jim, I went and looked at some of the others you had in your other directory.

I think they only rounded up less than 10% of the people they were looking for. 90% of the nations most wanted are just out walking the streets looking for places to shop.

Michael Moore's the anne coulter of the left, but with integrity.

Thoughts?

awww...The brain tries to do as little work as possible...The more things you're doing the fewer resources you have for any one thing...So instead of using any extra resources at all it defaults to autopilot...

Everyone knows this...but did you know that there is actually a biological reason for it?

Besides the fact that thinking burns calories at thesame rate as climbing stairs...and I do exclude the autopilot...er uh huh huh type thinking too...

An interesting thing happens when ones resources are over taxed...the body reacts as if it's in an emrgency situation...a shot of adrenaline which actually suppresses deep thinking but speeds output...

all I have to say about Mr. Moore is to never ever get in the way of him and a all you can eat breakfast Buffet.

Posted by: Anonymous at April 19, 2005 03:02 AM

Anna Coulter is a whore at the trough of sensationalism and disregards the truth when it goes counter her facade...

Moore is a mediocre talent albeit great guy that sees himself as a a maverick truth teller and in that aim has done some good..A little too much hype for my tastes but one the whole honest...

Ok, but did we really need the Fahrenheit coloring book and action figures?

I didn't realize how long I was away looking at picts, Jeebus, what a snoopy fuck I am. 8-)

~Last week all across the nation law enforcement agencies teamed up in an intensive effort to nab wanted criminals, which they did.~

this part's kinda funny. not the rest of it. but this part is.

So...anything that is perceived as "taxing" on ones brains resources is treated subconciously as a threat...This leads to the shying away from anything that's hard news or "overly" informative for some...

Note that I didn't say all because this doesn't usually occur until a severe level of processing is occuring for most people...

This occurs primarily for the emotionally fixed individual or those that get stuck using just the emotional side of the brain and slaving the logical away as redundant...

These people tend to be great social manipulators and always know the right thing to say and do...This social skill is gained at an offset in total procassing capability and as I hinted...They see "threats" when they are none because of the lacks in thier own abilities...

I see dead people,

no wait it was only the College Republicans.

One such individual would be W...Everyone that knows him says the same thing...To know him is to love him...

Where we out here sit and look at his actions and the effects of them see how stupid the man actually is...His "friends" see him as brilliant and will do anything to prove this fantasy image true...Try to make reality fit that "feeling"

Even rig a vote...

Do fight this feeling anymore,

it is the one you are looking for?

Sorry fucked it up,

Don't fight this feeling anymore,

It is the one your lurking for?

[scratches his head]

[wonders where the subtitles went]

An' I don't give a damn 'bout my reputation

Never said I wanted to improve my station

An' I'm only doin' good

When I'm havin' fun

An' I don't have to please no one

An' I don't give a damn

'Bout my bad reputation

Moloch is called the corruptor for a reason. He is the personification (demonification?) of evil-as-corruption. Moloch charms his victims into believing he is their friend, uses them to do his bidding, then finally kills them. His bidding is to bring about more corruption. Moloch calculates very carefully how he will destroy what is innocent and youthful, one victim at a time. He is not a powerful demon, at least not in his computer-bound state. He must work through impressionable minions

Canada Ready to Increase Sanctions Against U.S.

GATINEAU, Quebec (Reuters) - Canada is prepared to increase the sanctions it is already imposing on a range of U.S. goods unless Washington scraps a controversial anti-dumping law, Prime Minister Paul Martin said on Monday.

(snip)

The new Canadian surtax will bring in modest revenue of about C$14 million a year from the country's primary trading partner. But that amount could soar if Washington starts paying out large sums to U.S. lumber producers.

(snip)

Martin denied suggestions that Ottawa would bow to pressure from the U.S. side to end the dispute.

"I'm not going to give up. We are not going to cave in, I can tell you that," he said.

I'm sure O'Reilly and Coulter will fix this problem.

So here's the deal...

How do you identify social manipulators before they can do real harm?

The right brain type...that's easy...they have near to zero understanding of emotionally nuanced problem solving...and tend to go with the purely logical or draconian choice when presented with one...The Terry Schiavo thing is a big peice of evidence ofr that one...

The left brain type on the other hand...Now that's e4ven easier...They will work at all times to set a particulat mood...They do not speak in informational exchange language but with emotional overtones...

They will constantly cite emotional events in their lives as if these were status tokens...They will become angry if challenged intellectually in anyway as it taxes their capabilities and will over respond every single time long after the initiating event...

Which suggests that like sociopaths there may be a temporal malfunction...The inability to see cause and effect as it relates temporally or there never being a past or future on the one hand or seeing everything that ever happened to them as occuring all at once on the other

Moloch...useful parallel...Now I gotta think a bit...(short hand for it's time to puke again kiddies)

Sure we could boycott Canadian goods, but would that not make them more popular with the rest of the world. I could see New Zealanders wanting to buy back bacon just to piss off the pigs in America.

Moloch...useful parallel...Now I gotta think a bit...(short hand for it's time to puke again kiddies)

Good Night, Everyone

Got to get up early, stuff to do.

See ya 8-)

How the hell!?

Goodnight Kevin.

Corruption is not so much about being corrupt as wanting to corrupt other people (making them evil) or environments (making a place in which evil can thrive). Evil-as-corruption comes out of the disdain that evil has for good. Unlike Evil-as-Chaos, it delights in the methodical and calculated destruction of what is good. Evil-as-corruption takes four forms in the Buffyverse: temptation, the perversion of good, warriors of evil, and destruction.

Should Willow find romance on the internet?

ugh...

"disdain that evil has for good."

I never considered that as a motivator but it would also explain a lot of destructive behaviors...

Tell me more of this buffyverse young sage

People meet on the 'Net, they talk, they get together, have dinner, a show, horrible ax murder.

I have real problems trying to find biological strategies that match up with the irrational behaviors of what we call evil...

And yet...it exists...

computers can be used to communicate at a distance, thereby making a society in which human interaction is all but obsolete (this is a "slippery slope fallacy"--a highly unlikely outcome).

computers can be used to manipulate people. Information can be presented in a biased way. Since it gets to more people than books it has a greater potential for manipulating more people.
musty old books have a great deal more to say than any of your fabulous web pages. Simply false, since, in theory, anyway, web pages will contain the same information as books. Except without the smelliness, of course.

information on computers is de-contextualized: Books trigger the five senses, especially smell, which binds memories more securely in the brain. Getting information from a computer does not associate that information with the sensual experience of the medium (computers aren't smelly). Hence, information gained by a computer will not last as long in memory as information gained by a book.

And if it ain't biological...then it's a competing force on another level...

Chaos always demostrates order if you look at it from the right perspective and I just can't seem to find the right one for this problem...

information on computers is more easily accessed, and therefore more democratic. A book must be in a specific place. The information in books can therefore be guarded and used only by those in power i.e. the dreaded Librarian of myth and legend.

Miniature golf?

Drops a smelly old book in front of him so he can remember what he reads on the blog...

You can't turn off your other senses...

Good Morning.

Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That’s why Americans have never lost and will never lose a game of miniture golf. Because the very thought of losing is hateful to Americans.

Now, an a miniture golf squad is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, plays as a team. This individuality stuff is a bunch of crap. The bilious bastards who wrote that stuff about individuality for the Saturday Evening Post don’t know anything more about real miniture golf than they do about fornicating.

No I'm thinking more along the lines of a malignant meme...

Pretty funny if it turns out that evil was just a really catchy jingle some dumbass started humming one day...

Speaking of memes...morning -B

I think Spike needs a cold compress.

i just watched that video. Nevada has better local news than we do.

creep city. did they have warrants for all those
people?

the good guys suggested it

What's going on -S? Looks like you're tearing it up here, boss. Talk to me.

unbearable cuteness

Actually I think they did. It was, if I remeber right, a combination of National, state, and local law enforcement that focused on rounding up those who were on the most wanted list. I think they only got a small fraction of the people they were looking for.

Should Willow find romance on the internet?

Posted by: Spike at April 19, 2005 03:40 AM

I DID find romance on the internet!!.... "Malcolm". But he said you wouldn't understand. ; D - LOL!!

Interesting experiment for psychology students,. you have there, Spike!! Set up several PC's .. have subjects read dissertations (notoriously boring as HELL!!!) and have some PC's equipt with little spray mechanisms to spray a musty Library Smell on some subjects .. but not on others. Then test who retained more information. I will bet it is the "spray" folk! I read ream and reams of information on the internet .. but it doesn't seem to sink in the way books do.

Hum .. also wonder if it's possible a textile thing? The touch of the wood pulp? The impression of the printed word against your fingers, turning the pages? The actual weight of the book in your hand?

Dear God! I really am a library geek!! That sounded damn near sexy!! : /

The softer side of Sears.

I agree. There is nothing like an old musty book. Something printed in the 19th Century.

hmmm. well. i hope it wasn't illegal seizure of people. see y'alls later. i wonder. we should do
our investigation! for real! talk to those who
got arrested and find out if it was legit.

no one is checking up on this stuff. and it is
our right to check out the actions of the government.

hmmm. gotter think how to do this.

nite.

The problem with reading retention and the net is the same thing as with TV...it's an interlaced image...it hasn't the depth of a real physical object.

The high resolution monitor you have the better your retention will be.

"I know our ways are strange to you, but soon you will join us in the Twentieth Century - with a whole three years to spare!!"

Jenny to Giles in one of their many Books v. Computer agruments in 1997.

Where there is crinimals there are lawyers. Find out who was nabbed in your area and contact their lawyers. Post any out of line procedures.

The touch of the wood pulp? The impression of the printed word against your fingers, turning the pages? The actual weight of the book in your hand?

science vs romance...

Sigh...another loser for science...

I got romance down to a science or is it an art.

but then isn't art but the marriage of science and romance?

science vs romance...

Sigh...another loser for science...

Posted by: Nobody at April 19, 2005 04:05 AM

if it's a gene thing, does that mean there's bloodlines out there spreading the evil genes? cause that's a way disturbing line of thought to me.

Art is the guy who used to sing the songs Simon wrote.

unbearable cuteness

Posted by: Nobody at April 19, 2005 03:57 AM

I know!! I love that little Roll Back Smiley at Walmart!! When they dress him up like Robin Hood in the commercials!! As we say here in Minnesota ... "Oh!!!Fer Cute!!"

Kiddin'!! Kiddin'!! Puppy is a doll!! And those feets!! Too huge for that little puppy body!! I see puppy feet .. I like of one thing .... again with the smells here .. but .. "Frito Feet"!!

Long live Frito Feet and Puppy Breath!!

The touch of the wood pulp? The impression of the printed word against your fingers, turning the pages? The actual weight of the book in your hand?

Posted by: ♂ at April 19, 2005 04:04 AM

Ya!! I went there!! : D - LOL!!!

I was sitting in my bedroom the other night.

I use that TV guide buton on the remote to see what's coming up.

Well, anyway...

9pm on a Sunday night and there ain't shit. I mean here I am waiting for something...and the networks are playing their tenth version of Law and Order or something...so...

When I see they are doing two hours worth of the Top 100 Scariest Moments in Horror Movies on Bravo. I'm like there.

So here's my story.

The format goes kinda like this.

You have people in the business...I think.

Some of them might even be rock n rollers, hell I don't know. But the point is...it's set up sorta like the way VH1 does their thang. Somebody like John Landis or Wes Craven will come by...their name appears at the bottom of the screen, then...this example of the movie appears.

Well, I tend to talk aloud. It's a little more discreet than say...letting my neighbors hear me through a wall, but somewhere elevated above a mumble.

And I'm sayin'...

"Yea right. They think that's scary, they should read Clive Barker."

And so along comes this guy...and he's talking. Only thing is...

...he's got no name or credentials. I'm like...

was that just Clive Barker?

So after an hour of this...when they get to #6, then #2...and eventually #1...which I've already forgotten. In fact, I know I've seen some if not most of this show already, because it's been re-appearing periodically for over a month now.

On the Bravo channel.

The guy re-appears and this time. Guess what.

He was Clive Barker.

Now if you connect the dots...as the saying goes. What reason would anybody have...to try and keep his identity a secret to me?

Unless. Of course.

I'm not just innocently talking to myself.

In which case I still stand by what I said. Gay activist or not, S&M demons in "Hellraiser" or not (the apparent common consensus from the crowd), singled out comments by myself in solitude or not.

There is something about a Clive Barker book, that's like stepping into a dream.

This is why I wrote him an e-mail around 10 years ago...and tol

if it's a gene thing, does that mean there's bloodlines out there spreading the evil genes? cause that's a way disturbing line of thought to me.

Posted by: Anonymous at April 19, 2005 04:09 AM

No...Already ruled that out...For instance...Although sociopathy can be result in serious evil and it has a pretty solid genetic connection...It doesn't necessarily produce evil result...Also since this gene set is one third of the population....[shakes head]

No...For both extremes of the psychological scale theres genetic factors...but the link between psychological causes and evil is still tenuous...

You can trace every psychological type to a breeding strategy...Every syndrome to a misapplied type...

Evil occurs over the entire range...and makes no fucking sense at all

con't

This is why I wrote him an e-mail around 10 years ago...and told him I'd work with him. Not because it's a dream of mine, but just because if you want to list scariest moments.

His fiction...

It's like...how can I describe it?

It's the only fictional book I've read in 10 years. Does that make me a fan, or something else?!

wes craven is better than clive barker so there.

Evil occurs over the entire range...and makes no fucking sense at all

Posted by: Nobody at April 19, 2005 04:14 AM

hm... how to transcend a flawed nature... it's a good question. (if that's what you're asking)

YOu really can not transcend your flawed nature. You can only hope to control it.

So there you go.

That's a moment in Brian's day to day life.

I'm gonna take a sower, I got a crik in my back...that just won't quit.

Maybe make some coffee...and have a smoke.

Come back here.

Engage in discourse on minature golf. I don't know.

I missed Janeane tonight. It looks like she's refreshed...might be a tan there.

To knowe the nature of a thing is to take the first step in controlling it...

I've got the strangest recurring imagery associated with the question...Evil as virus...Evil as meme...Thought sickness...

YOu really can not transcend your flawed nature. You can only hope to control it.

Posted by: Spike at April 19, 2005 04:19 AM

as opposed to embracing it? (disdain for 'good' or whatever)

hm... how to transcend a flawed nature... it's a good question. (if that's what you're asking)

Posted by: Anonymous at April 19, 2005 04:17 AM

Raise yourself above your flawed nature. I would be completely amoral if I didn't ignore 99.9% of what I wanted or wanted to do.

Love can make you want to be a better man. That is a starting point.

Thought sickness...

Posted by: Nobody at April 19, 2005 04:21 AM

how do ya like them apples?

evil as a virus...Long competitors...religion and evil...does not religion seek to innoculate people with it's own set of memes?

But then religion has been turned and used for evil itself...

How would one design a society...a structure...an anything to innoculate from this meme long enough for it to fade?

as opposed to embracing it? (disdain for 'good' or whatever)

Posted by: Anonymous at April 19, 2005 04:21 AM

Wasn't there actually a horror movie about that?? "Impulse" or something? Everyone did what they wanted .. had no concern for anything other than an overpowering desire to satisfy the Id.

look what i found:

It's called Operation Falcon, a coordinated, nationwide fugitive round-up led by the US Marshals Office.

Members of a dozen different law enforcement agencies made 81 arrests in and around the Tucson area over the past week. Statewide in Arizona there were 322 arrests.

The national dragnet snared more than ten thousand people wanted for crimes ranging from murder to parole violation.

Dennis McAndrew is wanted in Cochise County for stalking and aggravated DUI. Also arrested during Operation Falcon, Willie Moore, a fugitive wanted for bank robbery.

The US Department of Justice says there's no better way to honor victims than by catching criminals.

We had officers at every level, from federal officers to state officers, county, Tucson Police, Oro Valley Police that work together throughout this operation, said Deputy Robert Tracy of the US Marshal's Office in Tucson.

He adds by taking these people, along with dangerous weapons and drugs off the streets, they are honoring crime victims.

Some of the fugitives captured are from other countries. Sixteen who were arrested during Operation Falcon now face deportation or extradition hearings.

sounds crappy to me. sounds like they went after
whomever they felt like. a dui? c'mon now.
and stalking as a person on this blog demonstrated once-is often in the eye of the beholder. i dunno.

Love can make you want to be a better man. That is a starting point.

Posted by: Spike at April 19, 2005 04:22 AM

And getting a soul...

Everyone did what they wanted .. had no concern for anything other than an overpowering desire to satisfy the Id.

I think it was called High School.

Am I the last soul on earth that does believe that evil is "given"?

I think it was called High School.

Posted by: Spike at April 19, 2005 04:26 AM

And College ...!

damn typos...

Am I the last soul on earth that doesN'T believe that evil is "given"?

and College.

A Soul never hurts, that BS, but you have to want to have a Soul in the first place. Only Love can make you go through Hell to be a moral person. Self destruction is always an option, but if you have a reason to stick around you wont dig your own grave so to speak.

I don't believe that evil is natural nor that it is intrinsic to human nature...no more than any other virus is.

Willow, Jinx!!!

IF left to my own devices or vices I am a rather black fellow.

You have never been outside of being influenced...The infection happens quite early and would be pretty pervasive across all societies and languages...

Do you know there are tribes that have never recorded a murder in a few thouand years or so?...

an immune system works by identifying "normal"...

What parts of evil do you consider "normal"?

I'm back.

Willow, Jinx!!!

Posted by: Spike at April 19, 2005 04:30 AM

Beware the powerful witch, eh!! ; )

I'm back.

That is what Jesus said before he saw his shadow and we have four more weeks of winter.

That heat helped.

I don't know what it is, but I keep forgetting to turn the heat on before turning in...I end up waking up with a real bad chill.

That just murders me in the back.

What do you see as unavoidable?...What are the societal "givens"?

i think that Operation Falcon was barely within legal premises. But I think they had to really pull far and wide to get 10,000 actualy more! people arrested on the same day. And safe criminals. By 'safe' criminals i mean ones that aren't employed by the government.

jeez. tom delay threanted bodily harm to a jugde!
shouldn't that be considered stalking?

jeez. tom delay threanted bodily harm to a jugde! shouldn't that be considered stalking?

Posted by: conbo at April 19, 2005 04:42 AM

Actually that would fall under the laws about making terroristic threats.. but I get your meaning and completely agree!

No that would be verbal assault but there is a special law for threatening judges...Which he's skirted by use of non explicit language and his latr retraction ortredefinitino that he "meant no harm"

Am I the last soul on earth that does believe that evil is "given"?

Posted by: Nobody at April 19, 2005 04:28 AM

I must admit... I figure you're best bet is to figure out how to grow some new people. stem cells and such. should be possible eventually, unless... well, unless it's not. no point in growing zombies. I dunno. *shrugs*

Society will give ya nothing. You have to make your own way in this world. It is hard and cruel, but don't piss on my leg and tell me it is raining.

Ya cant grow zombies, every time ya try to water them they will try to eat ya brains. You have to make them the good old hoodoo voodoo way.

your, you're... there practiacally the same anyway.

I doubt we need new people...As I said I don't think it's intrinsic to human nature...The very idea that it is a natural thing looks like just another viral defense mechanism of disguise...

Similar to this Barker incident...are the things I deal with at other media organizations.

For instance, I was in Chicago O'Hara's International...

Now if you can imagine...there's not exactly a lot of Americans around me...since this flight is going to Tokyo.

This was a year ago.

On the television, CNN is running a story about flares installed into commercial airliners...so if a ground-to-air heat seeker missile were launched, like that one which narrowly missed the Israeli airliner a few years back...

well, let's just say...most of those people in the lounge weren't concerned, because they don't know english.

CNN is irrelevant.

I however, do.

So you see...this is going over the line...because it's association of terrorism to me, personally.

I doubt we need new people.

Of cource we need new people, the old ones keep dying off.

This is the load I feel.

Because George Bush Jr. is the president.

Actually that would fall under the laws about making terroristic threats.. but I get your meaning and completely agree!

Posted by: Willow at April 19, 2005 04:46 AM

oh. well. thats even better!!!

Hypocrits. All of em'. And I officially really
am not impressed with Gonzalez. Whoopewoo, I made a pagentry for the policeman. *^%^%^%$(*&^

If you think cops have big heads now, just wait.
Yeah. I's involved in Operation Falcon back in 2004. Yup. Caught me a welfare checker I did.

grrrr

PR Stunt.

The common thread that runs throughout the Bush administration...and this period of American history...

Is the psychology of George W. Bush Jr.

Diary of a mad man.

Tell me if this sounds familiar.

oops. its 2005 now/

I'm the president.

Just do it.

You have your orders.

I don't care how it happens, just make it happen.

wow it sounds just like the ventilation system in my house and the computor fans...that's very famililar

Here's the thing.

In terms of leadership qualities, there's more to just giving orders.

I don't know how to put it.

I doubt we need new people...As I said I don't think it's intrinsic to human nature...The very idea that it is a natural thing looks like just another viral defense mechanism of disguise...

Posted by: Nobody at April 19, 2005 04:50 AM

What do you do in your own life to avoid this pschological critter? Or cope with it or control it or [...]?

So this is the first problem.

The Commander-in-Chief will only delegate power to people who will take the fall for him.

That means the dedication...is psychotic.

Some people lead with charisma...this guy has convinced "sacrifice of everything" may be required of their service.

In other words, it's sorta on the level of some cult leader in Guyana.

That to me...is a very, very bad sign.

So this is how I've come to rival him.

Because my ego is ion the same level, only I'm never going to be President...so...

Well, it's not a matter of the strong and weak.

It's the fact a democracy empowers the representation, so I've sorta taken his job away.

The American people delegated it to me.

and this has happened pretty quick by the way. He was only re-elected in November.

So I think...

...we need to go back and take a look at what has happened, which...

essentially was what I was doing since just before Terry schiavo died, whenever that was. Maybe four weeks ago?

But I'm talking months and months now. Sorta like the first 100 days.

First of all, the campaign was about the Iraq war.

Don't kid yourself.

I know the exit polls run by that new company, listed several answers for why you voted for the incumbent.

But put aside your limited choices.

This wasn't somebody questioning your loyalty...or faith.

That campaign in 2004 was about the war.

What do you do in your own life to avoid this pschological critter? Or cope with it or control it or [...]?

Posted by: Anonymous at April 19, 2005 05:00 AM

Eeeee...That's a complcated one and a longer subject than I was prepared for...

Generally I'd say taking the effort to question everything including my own motives and reactions...

Generally to deny anything no matter how benign it may seem that will be counter productive (for lack of a better term) too many things meet the sugar test and are "empty calories" that are fine in moderation but if over indulged dangerous...

Part of it I think is over all world view...

How you prioritize your associations...for instance...

Starting from yourself list off allegiences in descending order of importance to you...

Most people have family directly near them...and then a circle of friends...then expanding outward...

Myself country does not come before planet...

you can do this same exercise with different things...like personal status vs retention of this or that...monetary reward vs this or that...

It's a fairly useful way of working out ones priorities toward sanity yes?

I did mention that I was not quite up to par did I not?...mentions of gobs of snot and puking? eh?

meh?

cartoon

You weren't surprised Mr. Bush immediately went for the entitlements in his State of the Union. were you?

I think he said something along those lines a year before that didn't he?

You remember what he said in the debate, don't you?

Social Security was briefly brought up.

President Bush said the people who would pay for the demographic disparity around the corner...would be the youth.

But you didn't think he meant 2005, did you?

I mean...nobody campaigns on Social Security cuts.

That's why the reasons for the war were discussed, even though you were getting repeated warnings.

I hate using myself as a model for analysis...I know all too wel lte flaws of this beast...It tends to overcomplicate things...

Avoid this trap...

President Bush has a history of saying one thing and doing another.

The first 100 days of his first term?

He almost immediately back pedaled on environmental regulation.

He campaigned one way, then did something else when he was sworn in.

EVERYBODY warned you about that for years...tax cuts? For the rich?!
Yet, the campaign was about the war, wasn't it?

Y'see.

When he needs support for military action, it's his Vice-President going to WWII vets for it.

He's a professional politician.

He knows you don't tell senior citizens, entitlements are going to be cut in a campaign.

So now...

Everybody...

Well...

I told you. You were warned. This is why I supported a vet in 2004.

You needed to hear it spelled out straight.

And it was close, man. For an incumbent in a time of war, this guy damn near lost his job.

Which brings me back to today.

And psychology.

How would one design a society...a structure...an anything to innoculate from this meme long enough for it to fade?

Posted by: Nobody at April 19, 2005 04:24 AM

Posted by: Nobody at April 19, 2005 05:13 AM

oh, so all you have to do is make one with society at the center and one with you at the center and then balance those as best you can. piece o cake.

:)

I meant easy as pie. a healthy sort of pie.

Ceasing to question is the death knell of sanity...Disallowing reassessment of earlier assumptions...Rigid adherence to a belief in the face of contrary evidence...

Rigid...Rigid make you fragile...When you stop flowing you crytalize...A little heat...A little cold...A pressure of one kind or another and craaaaaack...You're a republican....hahahaha

Because honestly.

I'm not the one standing in his way.

It's his mistakes that are standing in the way.

If I left tomorrow, history would not change yesterday.

This is the main problem.

The President of the United States cannot admit he made any mistakes.

Not even one.

And folks. I'm not in a position here, to help you. Flat out, period. No way around it.

You have to go the source on this one.

I've pointed it out. Now protest, sell off your equity, impeach. do whatever.

But the leadership you want...isn't me.

It's rather whatever fills the void...left by inept leadership in the white House. and truth.

Faith.

Morality.

Nice words. But by default, I'm not the leader.

Just the one "follower" who doesn't obey unlawful orders. Who questions absolute power. Who's got so much integrity...that I won't desire power at the expense of my own integrity, nor life. You have to believe in something to die for it.

All these questions. Bush family ties to Bin Laden construction in Saudi Arabia being one of them...

You're saying I don't have a good enough reason to be suspicious?

I'm the one you've apparently been scared of...for a very, very, very long time now...or otherwise why the charade with all this surveillance?

(That's all. Pretty simple why I am the bad guy actually.)

maybe prayer and fasting. maybe pills. maybe raise the social security cap to 10,000,000 dollars.

How many words does it take to tell the Prez to stick it up his ass?

Ha, ha

President.

Uh huh.

Somebody's got an ego problem, and it ain't me.

I have better things to do with my time, America.

Shall we go over recent current events?

well. i guess -B isn't going to accept nomination. First Cranky and now him.
WTF are we going to do?

that was a liitle joke. very little.

No no no...nothing depending on me...bad...I'm bound to fail...something a bit more enduring would be good

who are you guys talking to? I mean. Not each other, thats for sure.

First of there's this current escalation of violence in Iraq.

ya we are...it's kinda hard to track temporally since it's action and reaction sepearated by hours in some instances but be assured we are...conbo

Sunni cleric lends support to amnesty
Leader proposes including those now held by U.S.

Saturday

A prominent Sunni Muslim cleric on Friday welcomed an amnesty offer for Iraq's Sunni-led insurgency, calling on President Jalal Talabani to make it a general amnesty that would apply to those in U.S. detention.

Talabani first aired the idea of forgiveness for guerrillas in his inaugural speech this month. He said Iraq's still-forming new leadership could end the anti-government, anti-U.S. insurgency in months if it reached out to Iraqi members of the resistance while keeping up the fight against foreign insurgents.

Ahmed Abdul Ghafour al-Samarrai, a moderate cleric in the influential Association of Muslim Scholars, was the first Sunni leader to respond publicly to the amnesty offer -- and he welcomed it. Urging the new transitional government to do "something remarkable for the people," al-Samarrai urged Talabani to expand his offer to "a general amnesty for all."

Al-Samarrai, speaking at Friday prayers at the association's Baghdad mosque, asked Talabani to start the amnesty by winning the release of detainees in U.S. military custody at the Abu Ghraib and Camp Bucca prisons.

"There are thousands of these young men who have done nothing and are being held without any interrogation or processing of their cases," he said.

The Muslim scholars' group played a leading role in the Sunni boycott of the Jan. 30 national elections, Iraq's first since the fall of Saddam Hussein's Sunni-dominated government.

Al-Samarrai's statements, and calls by Shiite Muslim clerics on Friday for government action against any Sunni hard-liners still in the government and military, reflect growing tensions over how the new Shiite-dominated government will handle the country's growing sectarian divide.

The comments by al-Samarrai were the latest signs that his organization, which has been alleged to have links to insurgents, is responding to the new government. Two weeks ago, he instructed his followers to begin joining Iraqi security forces.

continued

Overtures such as Talabani's have shown no sign of winning over any Sunni hard-liners. Although insurgent attacks had eased in the two months after the election, a surge of bloody bombings and other attacks killed dozens of Iraqis on Wednesday and Thursday.

At the same time, it is uncertain whether the Shiites and ethnic Kurds who hold sway in the new legislature would support a conciliatory stance toward homegrown insurgents.

In Rome, Iraqi U.N. envoy Ashraf Qazi said the Sunnis must be included in drafting a new constitution because all segments of the population must participate for the political process to succeed. This will also help quell the insurgency, he told reporters.

On Friday, a car bomb exploded near a U.S. military convoy in western Baghdad, killing one Iraqi civilian and injuring five others. An American soldier was also injured. A suicide car bomb exploded near Baghdad's airport, killing one person and injuring five, police said. It targeted a local police commander, who escaped unharmed.

Also Friday, Ukraine began withdrawing some of its 1,462 soldiers from Iraq amid plans to have them all out by year's end, the U.S. military said.

The military on Friday disclosed the deaths of one Marine killed by small- arms fire on Thursday in Ramadi, an insurgent stronghold, and another Marine killed Wednesday when a mortar hit inside a U.S. base in western Iraq. The military gave no other details.

There have been growing calls to deal with the detained Iraqis. Outgoing interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi this week sent a message to the U.S. military commander in Iraq, Gen. George Casey, asking him to review the prisoners' cases.

On Thursday, the latest in a recent series of disturbances at the Camp Bucca detention center killed one detainee and injured dozens. The military called the disturbance a fight among prisoners.

ok that's it...i'm officially done for a while...carry on sailor...

cyas ladies...in the triplet I believe...and 2 gentlemen lurking...and one fellow that's up at an odd hour...

It's time for me to to go lay down by my dish...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale-free_network

The US military response to this...was basically to state...forces could not leave until the country's own security forces controlled Iraq.

The response to the election and swearing in of the Prime Minister...

(History: The White House extended its congratulations to Iraqi Prime Minister-designate Ibrahim Jaafari April 7, shortly after his appointment by the newly sworn-in Iraqi presidency council....)

Was basically an open demonstration by thousands and thousands in Baghdad for a withdrawal date.

A date President Bush will not give them...for any number of reasons.

So what you have is the first concern.

Iraq wants the U.S. to go home, now that the country's "regime" has changed.

The military sweep of the Baghdad neighborhood, shortly after this peaceful protest (relatively speaking...and what's one home made U.S. flag burned here or there)...

Was fuckin' ignorant.

Then Rumsfeld flew to Iraq...and as far as I know, came across like a bully.

This essentialy were the actions, not words...so likewise the Sunni people...who pretty much make up the worse part of the violence...reacted.

No surprise.

That's what happened...and it's why the Iraq leadership wants to grant amnesty.

They want to eventually quell the violence enough, so that troops stand down no matter what President Bush intends to do.

Because make no mistake about it. There's an end game here.

The U.S. cannot sustain this war financially.

That goes back to supporting Bush in the first place, which as far as I can tell...looks like a dictatorship.

No shit.

Honest to good, old fashioned, pre-emption "conquering by the empire" type shit.

Otherwise, why did Rumsfeld go over there to shake the tree of the Iraq leadership.

Not too fuckin' smart, in my opinion.

will you please

forgive me?

try to understand that

i didn't mean

to beak your heart

now its me

thats breaking

as my mind is taking

my

whole life apart

i didn't mean

to break your heart

my hands

won't stop shaking

& my heart

is aching

but i

can't change the past

my tears

won't stop falling

i hear voices

calling me

into the dark

i didn't mean

to break your heart

take courage

live & suffer

or try to find

another place

where dreams come true

i close my eyes

to see your face

i dream

of your violent embrace

you tore the heart

from me

i didn't mean

to break your heart

- rose mcdowall, FORGIVE ME

So you have both dumb asses and power-mad egos in the White House.

Don't look at me...this just was the past month.

I've been doing taxes, cleaning out drawers, packing boxes.

I'm going to go back to work this year, then find maybe another country.

The U.S. has gone straight to hell in a handbasket.

That's why I don't care about Bolton, DeLay or whoever.

What the fuck difference does it make considering the past 4 years...let alone tomorrow.

I already know...and have known...think FBI's D.C. office ignoring the field whistleblowers...

That it really doesn't matter.

Gas prices, stock markets.

Whatever.

Stacked judiciary.

Not even relative to the big picture.

Entitlement cuts, filibusters.

Who cares.

In this part of American history...one thing stands out.

Fascism. The means to the end far surpasses anything you could have dreaded to expect, nor burst any bubble of denial you built around yourself voting for him.

It not only has begun, it's dug in and here...like a festering cancer.

America is gasping for life, as she breathes out her last breath in history.

That's how bad this Nazi-ism is.

You don't have to go back to far in history books to realize where they learned how to do this, y'know.

The Nazis were a very, very small percentage of the German people.

Do I ignore the news?

Yes.

Do I not care enough...to be impressed the President is on television.

You betcha.

Will I answer if the Prime Minister of Iraq calls my phone number?

(You worry about that. I'm not paid to think.)

l-ater

Well. I found one blog that is talking about Operation Falcon:

TalkLeft:OperationFalcon-Publicity Stunt?

a comment on the blog is how i am looking at it,
too:

This mainly theory Falcon is a trial run for purging of the left. The conservatives they hate the liberals with a passion. They want them out of country out of politics. Falcon was just a trial run to see if a mass raid can be accomplished. The conservatives in future will conduct a mass raid on the liberal leaders. 10,000 liberals in hand cuffs for questioning the status quo.

Becareful liberals because the conservatives are coming for you

but then i always kinda pessimistic.

Posted by: Nobody at April 19, 2005 04:24 AM

after long, careful consideration and a little googleing, I'm no longer sure that even makes any sense. I'll dream on it and see what it looks like later.

*crash*

http://endevil.com/images/jesus.jpg

The senseless death of the woman who fought George Bush
By Patrick Cockburn in Sulaymaniyah and Andrew Buncombe in Washington
19 April 2005

She looked like she should be surfing on a beach in California but Marla Ruzicka was drawn instead to Iraq and her self-appointed task of helping the civilian victims of George Bush's war. She was 28 years old and had been a peace activist since a young age. She went to Baghdad as the head of her own charity, determined to find out how many Iraqis had been killed or injured by US forces and get compensation for survivors.

At the weekend, the dedication that had taken Marla from her home in San Francisco to the war zones in Afghanistan and Iraq, led to her death.

On Saturday afternoon, as she and her driver were on the road leading from Baghdad to the city's airport, a suicide bomber attacked a passing convoy of security contractors. Marla's car was caught in the blast and engulfed in flames. A US Army medic who tried to help her said she was briefly conscious and was able to speak. "I'm alive," she had told him. She died along with an unnamed French national and an Iraqi.

The question everyone always asked about Marla was from where did she get all of her energy. She was constantly on the move: chattering, smiling, rushing to a hospital, dashing to a meeting, cajoling journalists, pestering diplomats, taking notes from a woman whose relatives had been killed, crossing time zones, entering people's lives.

LINK

Becareful liberals because the conservatives are coming for you

but then i always kinda pessimistic.

Posted by: conbo at April 19, 2005 06:28 AM

I want to know where they will put these 10,000 people. The jails and prisons are full already. Will they build new prisons? Deport them?

Good morning Connie and blog!!

Black smoke again ?!

No new Pope, gosh, I hope the US media

reports on this all day, again. I love

24-7 new Pope update.

I wonder if they'll talk about what kind

of shoes Popes like to wear, or if they

put ketchup on their pot roast ?

Maybe if I hope enough, they will !!

I want to know where they will put these 10,000 people.

Posted by: toniD at April 19, 2005 07:05 AM

Yes, Gonzalez and the Dept. of Justice

capture 10 000 murderers and child killers

that were out walking the streets amoungst

us good folks.

LOL

Has anyone in the media said; "Bullshit ?!"

Hi ToniD and Ajax! Finally I found an article that explains what I am thinking. Took all damn nite. Wish I could write. Oh well. Check this out:

In a massive dragnet, US Marshals led more than 90 state, local and other federal police agencies last week in arresting over 10,000 people across the country on outstanding warrants, the Justice Department revealed Thursday.

Code-named Operation Falcon, for Federal and Local Cops Organized Nationally, the unprecedented federally-coordinated mass arrests were staged for maximum political and media impact. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales used the operation as the subject of his first news conference since the confirmation of his controversial nomination.

The Justice Department, meanwhile, supplied the television networks government-shot action videotape of Marshals and local cops raiding homes and breaking down doors. The footage was aired on news programs, accompanied by commentary that uncritically parroted the claims made by the department.

The department produced a mind-numbing array of statistics on the raids, resulting in cookie-cutter articles appearing in local papers and on local television throughout the country, highlighting the number of arrests made in each area.

The political purpose of the dragnet was underscored by the fact that law enforcement officials privately acknowledged that most of those arrested in the nationwide raids would have been picked up in any case in the course of normal police work.

The piling up of massive arrest numbers in a brief seven-day period was made possible through an expenditure of $900,000 from the US Marshals Service budget and the use of overtime to quadruple its personnel assigned to pursuing fugitives. Quantity, not quality, was clearly the objective.

While US authorities highlighted the apprehension of 160 murder suspects and 550 sexual assault suspects, it appeared that by far the largest share of those arrested were minor drug offenders. Narcotics violations accounted for fully 4,300 out of the 10,340 arrests.

In several areas of the country, authorities reported that the raids filled local jails to overflowing.

“We generally try to focus ou

“We generally try to focus our resources on the baddest of the bad. We’re going after murderers, rapists, that kind of thing,” Deputy US Marshal Ricardo Guzman told the Washington Post. “On the average day, we can’t do every carjacker or person wanted on failure to pay child support.”

But last week, the government changed these priorities. “We decided to get as many as we can,” he said. “We put everybody on the street with a stack of warrants and said, ‘Start knocking on doors.’”

Justice Department officials sought to link the mass arrests in the public mind to the “war on terrorism,” though none of those picked up are accused of terrorist acts. As one news report on the Washington press conference announcing the operation put it: “...officials said the exercise was an opportunity to show the benefits of cooperative law enforcement in an age of terrorism.”

Attorney General Gonzales told reporters, “Operation FALCON is an excellent example of President Bush’s direction and the Justice Department’s dedication to deal both with the terrorist threat and traditional violent crime.” He added, “This joint effort shows the commitment of our federal, state, and local partners to make our neighborhoods safer, and it has led to the highest number of arrests ever recorded for a single initiative of its kind.”

Ben Reyna, Director of the US Marshals Service, echoed Gonzales, declaring that the operation “produced the largest number of arrests ever recorded during a single initiative.”

Sections of the press have cynically attributed the operation to a bid by the US Marshals Service to wrest more money from Congress during Congress’ ongoing budget deliberations. Yet, the high-profile role played by Gonzales in the announcement and the repeated invocation of terrorism suggest other, more ominous, motives.

The announcement comes barely one week after Gonzales went before the Senate Judiciary Committee to urge renewal of sections of the USA Patriot Act that are set to expire at the end of this year. In his press conference announcing the mass arrests, Gonzales made a point of stressing the need for legislative action to permanently sanction the “information sharing” and coordinat

The announcement comes barely one week after Gonzales went before the Senate Judiciary Committee to urge renewal of sections of the USA Patriot Act that are set to expire at the end of this year. In his press conference announcing the mass arrests, Gonzales made a point of stressing the need for legislative action to permanently sanction the “information sharing” and coordination of police agencies at all levels of government which, he claimed, made the operation possible. This was a thinly veiled rebuke to a number of congressmen and senators who have called for revisions in certain provisions of the Patriot Act.

In the wake of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, the act was rammed through Congress without debate or any serious examination of its provisions. It granted unprecedented police powers to the federal government, vastly expanding its powers to spy on US citizens through warrantless searches, wiretaps and seizure of business, medical and even library records. The use of secret courts and secret evidence has been seen in a number of cases, including the FBI’s absolutely baseless and abortive frame-up of Oregon attorney Brandon Mayfield in connection with the Madrid train bombings.

Gonzales, who as President Bush’s White House counsel made the case for riding roughshod over the Geneva Conventions and allowing the torture of US-held detainees, is anxious to preserve the extraordinary and unconstitutional powers of search and seizure that the administration has arrogated to itself over the past three-and-a-half years.

Moreover, the police dragnet and congressional consideration of the Patriot Act have both unfolded in the context of a generalized assault on the US constitutional system of checks and balances and a drive to assert unprecedented power for the executive branch. In the final analysis, the organization of nationwide mass arrests is a raw exercise of this power.

Not surprisingly, not a single prominent Democrat has raised any question about the real purpose of the coordinated raids.

The media and local police officials throughout the country have repeated the claims of the Justice Department and the US Marshals Service that the recent arrests are

The media and local police officials throughout the country have repeated the claims of the Justice Department and the US Marshals Service that the recent arrests are the greatest number ever in a single operation. In point of fact, the numbers are roughly equivalent to those achieved by one of Gonzales’s predecessors, Alexander Mitchell Palmer, who headed the Justice Department 85 years ago.

The infamous Palmer Raids, named after the then-attorney general, were launched on November 7, 1919, the second anniversary of the Russian Revolution. Further mass arrests were carried out in December and January. In one of them, FBI agents led local police and vigilantes in simultaneous raids in 70 cities, rounding up 4,000 people in a single night.

They smashed down the doors of union halls and offices of communist, socialist and anarchist organizations and dragged people from their beds without warrants or criminal charges. Foreign-born workers bore the brunt of the assault, as the government sought to blame a wave of mass strikes and radical protests on “alien sedition.” Several hundred foreign-born activists and workers were deported without the benefit of a hearing. Many more of those detained were subjected to brutal beatings.

The target of the arrests in Operation Falcon was not political opponents of the government, but rather people who missed court dates, violated parole and, at least in some fraction of the cases, are wanted for criminal acts of violence.

But the way in which these raids—portrayed as serving crime victims and making communities safer—are being used to bolster so-called “anti-terrorist” policies that are a major step toward a police state must serve as a serious warning.

This is an administration that has asserted the right of the US president to declare anyone—citizen and non-citizen alike—an “enemy combatant,” and lock him up indefinitely without charges, without the right to a public hearing or lawyer, and without even an official acknowledgement that the person has been thrown into prison.

Under these conditions, the question is posed: was Operation Falcon a dry run for a plan to be executed in the face of intensified political crisis or a r

Under these conditions, the question is posed: was Operation Falcon a dry run for a plan to be executed in the face of intensified political crisis or a resurgence of mass opposition to the government? Was this extraordinary federal, state and local coordination of mass arrests a dress rehearsal for a modern-day version of the Palmer Raids?

link to above post:

LINK

Bush's 'Competitive Sourcing' Worries Disabled Workers
By Christopher Lee
The Washington Post

Monday 18 April 2005

Initiative may put employees with special needs at a decided disadvantage, their advocates say.

David Goodman, a clerk at the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, is caught between two conflicting federal policies, one that helped him get his federal job 14 years ago and another that soon may take it away.

Goodman, 34, has autism, a developmental disability that affects the brain and impairs a person's social skills and reasoning. He landed his job in NIH's Occupational Health and Safety Division in 1991 as a "Schedule A" appointee, the beneficiary of long-standing government policies that promote the employment of people with disabilities in federal agencies.

"It's a nice job. I like the people that work there. They are nice to me," said Goodman, who works from 8 a.m. to 4:15 p.m. every weekday and lives independently in an apartment in Rockville.

Last month, his family learned that Goodman is among tens of thousands of federal employees, the vast majority of them not disabled, whose agencies are evaluating whether their jobs could be performed better and more cheaply by a private contractor. It is all part of President Bush's "competitive sourcing" initiative, which requires civil servants across the government to prove they can do their work more efficiently than private contractors, or risk seeing the work outsourced.

LINK

Was this extraordinary federal, state and local coordination of mass arrests a dress rehearsal for a modern-day version of the Palmer Raids?

Posted by: conbo at April 19, 2005 07:22 AM

Ahhhhh, do yah think ?

I can see it now;

Ajax brought before a federal judge in chains

on charges of sedition and posting "bullshit"

on the internet.

Judge: How do you plead on the charges of calling

our president a "vile fascist asshole" and posting

"bullshit" on the internet ?

Ajax: It is you who say I am the Messiah !!

ONCE THERE WERE KILLING FIELDS

Reporting from Phnom Penh, Cambodia, the International Herald Tribune takes an in-depth look at the possibility for a United Nations-backed war crimes tribunal later this year that may try several former Khmer Rouge leaders. The alleged war criminals are accused of slaughtering thousands of Cambodians some 30 years ago. Will the U.S. oppose efforts to try Khmer Rouge leaders responsible for the killing fields?

LINK:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/04/15/opinion/edpringle.html

Women Need Not Apply
By Mary Zeiss Stange
USA Today

Sunday 17 April 2005

Amid the welter of speculations surrounding the conclave that convenes Monday in Vatican City to select the next pope, one fact is certain: No women will be involved in the process. Indeed, the College of Cardinals is the most exclusive, and arguably the most powerful, assembly in the modern world that can still get away with such systematic gender discrimination. The cardinal-electors might as well post a "No Girls Allowed" sign on the Sistine Chapel door as it swings shut behind them.

It need not be this way. While the exclusion of women from the deliberations may seem to follow logically from their inability to be ordained priests, in fact, under canon law, one needn't be a priest - nor, indeed, a man - to be made a cardinal.

Yet, it is no more mere coincidence that every member of the College of Cardinals is a member of the ordained priesthood, than that every one of the 114 men raised to that exalted status by John Paul II shares the late pope's thoroughgoing conservatism where women are concerned.

Feminist groups within the church, most prominently the Women's Ordination Conference, have clamored for women's active participation in deliberations surrounding the papal election. But their pleas have fallen on deaf ears. And last week, the New York Times reported that, according to a Vatican spokesman, issues of particular importance to women - contraception, divorce and female priests were specifically mentioned - "are not under discussion" as far as the papal electors are concerned.

LINK

Panel Sets Vote Today on Bolton Nomination to U.N.

By Charles Babington
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, April 19, 2005; Page A02

Senate Republicans rejected Democrats' request yesterday for more time to review allegations against John R. Bolton, President Bush's choice to be United Nations ambassador, and they scheduled a Foreign Relations Committee vote today on the nomination.

Although two committee Republicans have not ruled out voting against Bolton, GOP and Democratic leaders said he appeared on track to win a straight party-line vote from the panel, which Republicans control 10 to 8. The nomination would then go to the full GOP-controlled Senate.

Sen. Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.) told reporters that he had asked committee Chairman Richard G. Lugar (R-Ind.) for more time to weigh recent accusations against Bolton. Several of them mirror earlier complaints that Bolton, an undersecretary of state for arms control, had berated and threatened government subordinates who displeased him or challenged his claims about security threats posed by various countries, Dodd said.

LINK

DeLay Issues Broad Denial Of Ethics Violations

By Mike Allen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, April 19, 2005; Page A01

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.), in his first detailed written response after weeks of questions about his dealings with lobbyists and handling of ethics matters, issued a broad denial that he violated any law or House rule in accepting trips abroad, and he implored supporters back home to accept his version of what he called "the real story."

DeLay's overseas travel, his ties to Washington lobbyists and his hard-edged political style that prompted three admonitions from the House ethics committee last year have received intense media scrutiny. One question raised has been whether DeLay's travel was paid for by nonprofit groups or by lobbyists and private interests working through those groups.

In a message e-mailed to supporters in his suburban Houston district that was provided to The Washington Post yesterday, DeLay blamed the reports on Democrats, liberal groups and the "legion of Democrat-friendly press" who were trying to undermine Republican control of Congress. "It is abundantly clear that their fundamental strategy revolves around attacking me and working to tear down Republican leadership," he said.

DeLay said in the message, titled "What the Press Isn't Telling You" and covering about six single-spaced pages, that his overseas trips were "proper" and "properly vetted and undertaken" and that if there were any question about the source of funding for that travel, no member of Congress "should be responsible for deceptive behavior by outside organizations."

LINK

Well have to go to work. Later bloggers!

Have a nice day.

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have a super day toni dee.

Treat to be seeing John Conyer's diaries at dKos, because I keep forgetting to go to his blog :)

Baker-Carter Election Reform Hearing: Outrageous
by Congressman John Conyers

Mon Apr 18th, 2005 at 16:23:25 EST

The first meeting of the Baker-Carter election commission was disappointing and, at times, outrageous and tainted with racially-charged innuendo. Let me make absolutely clear that I greatly admire former President Jimmy Carter and believe he was insightful and on-target throughout the hearing. However, given the incredible lack of balance and profound lack of good faith demonstrated by some of Carter's fellow commissioners and many of the witnesses at this hearing, at times he seemed to be a very lonely voice of sanity.

The remarks of Mr. James Baker, III, which were echoed by a number of right wing political operatives called as witnesses, seemed to have a singular purpose of spreading hoaxes and conspiracy theories about ineligible Democratic voters being allowed to cast votes. The remedy was cleverly repeated like a broken record, "photo ID, photo ID, photo ID." Right wing pundit John Fund was called as an "expert" witness by the hearing and offered racially charged proposals with racially charged rhetoric.

[Also at: http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000063.htm]

Hey, g'morning, Ja :)

uh... "Old Brown Shoe."

Very nice.

Kinda quiet this morning.
Nows the time to denouce any right-deviationists wreckers.

good thread up there

heya catchew

good morning, israel.

this one is interesting

http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2005/04/17/battle_for_home_spotlights_hurdles_to_mideast_peace?mode=PF

read some of the "thinkpieces"

http://www.jfjfp.org/background.htm

and check out some of these happenings

http://www.pchrgaza.org/files/Reports/English/full_index.htm

here's a pdf file of the UN Commission on Human Rights, 61st Session 14 March - 22 April 2005

ITEM 8: Question of the violation of human rights in the occupied arab territories, including palestine

http://www.pchrgaza.org/Commission/2005/CHR-Intervention-Item8.pdf

But never mind all that...hey, some people in Iran said they hate us, so lets go blow things up...that'll teach 'em!

Happy days are here again -- not.

GM Posts Worst Loss Since '92

Of course, no one in the lamestream media has bothered to cover how GM's disatrous (and possibly neocon-instigated) hostile takeover attempt of Fiat triggered most of this disaster.

Smoke to Announce New Pope Dates to 1800s
Newsday - 43 minutes ago
By The Associated Press. Cardinals sequestered in the Sistine Chapel to elect a pope use an iron stove and its narrow metal chimney to announce their decision. Black smoke means they have failed; white smoke means they have succeeded.

What are they burning to get colored smoke?